Recent photo of the new C-27J of the Kenya Airforce

shadowprimezero:
Wow. Things not looking great for Denel
https://city-press.news24.com/News/denel-blows-r250m-arms-deal-with-chad-20190923

That was never a "deal". That was an attempt by the previous corrupt CEO and board to loot Denel. When you think of the Casspir, do you think of Denel or a company called VR Laser?

Exactly....who is VR Laser? They literally tried to transfer the intellectual property of the Casspir from Denel to VR Laser. That's how corrupt Denel had become a number of years ago, when this 'deal' was signed. Same reason the Badger IFV is delayed. Same company, VR Laser had basically strong-armed Denel and its own manufacturing capabilities.

The Denel of today is a completely different company from 2-5 years ago. Previous board and CEO have been fired, and a few may end up in jail. Look out for news about a large export order.

I would not roll in the mud with you. I would only advice that you do a comparative analysis of lives lost within the last 5 years in both Nation. Maybe you would receive some education after that

kabe1:


Your ignorance is painful to read.


43 killed in another bloody weekend in Cape Town

Another bloody weekend in Cape Town saw 43 people being murdered, Premier Alan Winde confirmed on Monday.

Provincial forensics services recorded these numbers between Friday night and Monday morning.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/43-killed-in-another-bloody-weekend-in-cape-town-20190715

I know it is Monday, guys but please on both sides of the same continent can we zip up on the dick measuring contest.
By the way, guys let's commend KENYA on their recent C-27 acquisition.

That blo#dy spambot got me

Covert1:


Most of that piracy is in contiguous waters not necessarily in Nigerian waters but because it happens in the Gulf of Guinea of course biased western media portray it as Nigeria's inability to protect shipping in its waters. The reality is the Nigerian Navy has reduced piracy to a significant level generally in the gulf of Guinea and the stats prove it. And the answer to your question is oil. Another arguable point is the busiest ports because that's relative depending on actual amount of goods docking and going into either country. More goods are traded into Nigeria from other ECOWAS ports reducing tonnage docking in Lagos. So factual comparisons should be made.

This is actually a very mature response Agaugust!!! However I still don't believe there are more goods entering Nigeria than South Africa even if we incorporate Ecowas ports, however that's actually not the point. And certainly not 50:1 as bidexiii claimed

And Yes I agree the Nigerian Navy has reduced piracy in your waters.

I never meant to make this a Nigeria vs SA thing.... Was simply responding to ignorant claims by Kabe1

Jln115 ignore the trolls

GreenandGold:
Jln115 ignore the trolls

will do!

saengine:


That was never a "deal". That was an attempt by the previous corrupt CEO and board to loot Denel. When you think of the Casspir, do you think of Denel or a company called VR Laser?

Exactly....who is VR Laser? They literally tried to transfer the intellectual property of the Casspir from Denel to VR Laser. That's how corrupt Denel had become a number of years ago, when this 'deal' was signed. Same reason the Badger IFV is delayed. Same company, VR Laser had basically strong-armed Denel and its own manufacturing capabilities.

The Denel of today is a completely different company from 2-5 years ago. Previous board and CEO have been fired, and a few may end up in jail. Look out for news about a large export order.

Ah! Puts things into perspective. Thanks for the explanation.

Algerian1:
.. Police

I'm loving this rifle

61mech:
They've also cancelled the AF capability demo this year.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/no-saaf-air-capability-demo-this-year/

If they cant even afford to drop 12 dumb bombs and shoot some rockets, what does that say about their ability to do even small scale conventional military operations ?
ZIM could probably loan $10 from the Chinese, prep for a year and launch a sneak attack with a realistic chance of success!

The SAAF capability demo is a PR show meant for pictures meant to display might and it's hardly relevant to the ordinary people. Me and you know that a lot of bombs get dropped during training behind the scenes.

See, the SANDF is currently attempting to charm the public with relevant PR shows all-over the country. I've seen more SANDF shows this year than any other year. These shows are meant to display what's very relevant to the public like aiding in crime fighting, rhino poaching and vehicle recovery... I know this is a long shot from the heavy armour and mach 2 jets the military is associated with BUT this is South Africa, the public is more interested in building more clinics and free housing and the last thing you want to tell them is that the government does not have money when the military was just dropping bombs a week ago.

Of course, we're all concerned about the sinking budgets and the long term implications such as retaining the ability to fight large scale wars.

Below is a public demo at the Mpumalanga Show, Parabats security a site while the engineers construct a temporal bridge in minutes.

Rate this video.....

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2wdkr2ngo6/?igshid=19r5fgtzf32t7

Nigerian Army: Super Camps or Strategic Retreat?



[i]Although, they said it is strategic withdrawal, but they have left a vacuum where our people are at the receiving end.[/I]

With the decade old war in Nigeria's northeastern region showing no sign of abating soon, the Nigerian Army recently adopted a new strategy.

This new strategy named "Super Camp" involves the clustering of front-line soldiers in well-defended citadels near cities.
Soldiers in this citadels or Super Camps will still retain the ability to respond swiftly to threats across the region.

The shift to this new strategy is as a result of continous reports of insurgents (Islamic State and Boko Haram) overrunning small troop locations in the Northeast, using numerical strength.


https://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2019/09/nigerian-army-super-camps-or-strategic-retreat

Tunisian USGN Operators.

kenpaul0:
No need answering them...I am a Nigerian and i say with all honesty we as a Nation have failed ourselves and the entire African continent. It's annoying to see Nigerian's here pick on South Africa when shit hits the fan....FYI...We are the one's with a worse security situation.

You are not Nigerian or your a biafruadian Pseudo Jew with a mental deficiency. Keep your delusions to yourself.

AskiaHarem:


You are not Nigerian or your a biafruadian Pseudo Jew with a mental deficiency. Keep your delusions to yourself.

what you are doing now, is what we did few years back. Trying to defend a "lame" nation, of which IMHO, its blind patriotism. We have wicked leaders who are feeding fat on our taxes, prolonging the war and becoming clueless along side their corruption. A fucking general as President who doesn't know how to organise the security of the Nation.

Tell me haven't we seen the worst. If under a former military leader and a general, the Nigerian military can be this disoriented and weak, what do you expect from a civilian. Abeg just leave this thread to continue resting because all sub Saharan African militaries are worst now than when the thread was on fire.

jln115:

This is actually a very mature response Agaugust!!! However I still don't believe there are more goods entering Nigeria than South Africa even if we incorporate Ecowas ports, however that's actually not the point. And certainly not 50:1 as bidexiii claimed

And Yes I agree the Nigerian Navy has reduced piracy in your waters.

I never meant to make this a Nigeria vs SA thing.... Was simply responding to ignorant claims by Kabe1

That Agaugust must have really done something to your head apparently you still see him in your dreams so you can sleep try forget him

About the subject I'd agree u need convincing that Nigeria actually has more going for it in trade than SA. It's a given that data is better captured in SA owing to the developed white economy over the years thats long connected to the western hemisphere which reflects updated sectors of the economy for western capital flows so it appears its larger than Nigeria's but there's more market going on in Nigeria's informal sectors of the economy than its formal sector captured by the NBS. In essence Nigeria's GDP mostly captures statistics from its formal sectors but its informal economic activity is so huge that it drives the entire West Africa and countries beyond. Conservative estimates will put that entire economic activity if accurately measured at current prices on a scale of 5:1 in favor of Nigeria.

In any case both countries are not maximizing potential but if and when they do it is expected that Nigeria will emerge a global economic power while South Africa will decline in comparison.

Covert1:


That Agaugust must have really done something to your head apparently you still see him in your dreams so you can sleep try forget him

About the subject I'd agree u need convincing that Nigeria actually has more going for it in trade than SA. It's a given that data is better captured in SA owing to the developed white economy over the years thats long connected to the western hemisphere which reflects updated sectors of the economy for western capital flows so it appears its larger than Nigeria's but there's more market going on in Nigeria's informal sectors of the economy than its formal sector captured by the NBS. In essence Nigeria's GDP mostly captures statistics from its formal sectors but its informal economic activity is so huge that it drives the entire West Africa and countries beyond. Conservative estimates will put that entire economic activity if accurately measured at current prices on a scale of 5:1 in favor of Nigeria.

In any case both countries are not maximizing potential but if and when they do it is expected that Nigeria will emerge a global economic power while South Africa will decline in comparison.

Facts matter not here say. Now back to military posting.

Covert1:


That Agaugust must have really done something to your head apparently you still see him in your dreams so you can sleep try forget him

About the subject I'd agree u need convincing that Nigeria actually has more going for it in trade than SA. It's a given that data is better captured in SA owing to the developed white economy over the years thats long connected to the western hemisphere which reflects updated sectors of the economy for western capital flows so it appears its larger than Nigeria's but there's more market going on in Nigeria's informal sectors of the economy than its formal sector captured by the NBS. In essence Nigeria's GDP mostly captures statistics from its formal sectors but its informal economic activity is so huge that it drives the entire West Africa and countries beyond. Conservative estimates will put that entire economic activity if accurately measured at current prices on a scale of 5:1 in favor of Nigeria.

In any case both countries are not maximizing potential but if and when they do it is expected that Nigeria will emerge a global economic power while South Africa will decline in comparison.

Cool story bro

Silver Falcons - Team 83.

Falcons are made up of pilot instructors across the board (helicopter, transport) who practice for the team in their spare time.

Jkay187:


Facts matter not here say. Now back to military posting.

Whose this, stinks of xenophobia! A southie who can't fathom that others can do better than them.

The demo is absolutely part of their training regime. That's a SAAF bombing range like any other and the SAAF approach it as a training exercise.
All the bomb drops are directed by army FACs. This is an extremely rare training opportunity for them as well.
Only difference is that it happens in front of guests. You could argue that its a show for the ground element, but its serious business for the SAAF.
The added stress of doing a live bomb run in front of the army brass and media is actually a good training opportunity for the pilots. What is worrying is that the AF is cancelling sorties on a 1 by 1 basis now to save money.

The Army capability demo we used to hold at Lohatla was always done in conjunction with manoeuvres like sweepslag/blitz etc. The infantry Bn. was de-mobbed by then, but for the AF it was still part of their training operation.
The lack of conventional training is something that the Army/Navy/AF brass is actually complain about in the open now. The SA taxpayer is paying the same bill, but not getting the service the army is supposed to provide. The deployment of troops to support the SAPS is not to be cheered. Its a symptom of a failed Police force and justice system in a country with some of the highest crime rates in the world. I've been on many joint Police /Army operations and can tell you its 100% for show. The troops have almost no training in law enforcement and basically just do a 1 week legal course on when its ok to shoot a civvie. You basically stand around all day. I got the impression from the cops we were more of a nuisance and in the way.
We once deployed for a couple of weeks and utilised a entire B'n worth of troops to find 1 AK and some pangas.

GreenandGold:


The SAAF capability demo is a PR show meant for pictures meant to display might and it's hardly relevant to the ordinary people. Me and you know that a lot of bombs get dropped during training behind the scenes.

See, the SANDF is currently attempting to charm the public with relevant PR shows all-over the country. I've seen more SANDF shows this year than any other year. These shows are meant to display what's very relevant to the public like aiding in crime fighting, rhino poaching and vehicle recovery... I know this is a long shot from the heavy armour and mach 2 jets the military is associated with BUT this is South Africa, the public is more interested in building more clinics and free housing and the last thing you want to tell them is that the government does not have money when the military was just dropping bombs a week ago.

Of course, we're all concerned about the sinking budgets and the long term implications such as retaining the ability to fight large scale wars.

Below is a public demo at the Mpumalanga Show, Parabats security a site while the engineers construct a temporal bridge in minutes.

Covert1:


Whose this, stinks of xenophobia! A southie who can't fathom that others can do better than them.

now this is the Agaugust I remember

Breaking; Ghanian security services foil an attempted coup against the president.

61mech:
The Chad deal was a loss making contract concocted by the CEO and CFO ,so they could pilfer more cash through VR Laser.
The Denel division responsible for building those vehicles weren't even notified of the contract until 3 months after the deal.
SA Gov and Chad are in negotiations to return the deposit.

REALLY!? HTF does that even happen. Pls give us the details,not that I doubt you I'm just wondering how that even happens in any organisation.

Covert1:


That Agaugust must have really done something to your head apparently you still see him in your dreams so you can sleep try forget him

About the subject I'd agree u need convincing that Nigeria actually has more going for it in trade than SA. It's a given that data is better captured in SA owing to the developed white economy over the years thats long connected to the western hemisphere which reflects updated sectors of the economy for western capital flows so it appears its larger than Nigeria's but there's more market going on in Nigeria's informal sectors of the economy than its formal sector captured by the NBS. In essence Nigeria's GDP mostly captures statistics from its formal sectors but its informal economic activity is so huge that it drives the entire West Africa and countries beyond. Conservative estimates will put that entire economic activity if accurately measured at current prices on a scale of 5:1 in favor of Nigeria.

In any case both countries are not maximizing potential but if and when they do it is expected that Nigeria will emerge a global economic power while South Africa will decline in comparison.

Dude,your word-salads typically contain multiple assertions like reading a second hand car yard brochure. The bolded is an example after which you contradict yourself,qualify yourself and then repeat your assertion without backup stats,facts or figures! Take several seats already!

jln115:
now this is the Agaugust I remember

So you are still hallucinating about Agaugust , dude has since taken a long walk but evidently he did things to your brain Junior which symptoms resemble something of mental derangement which the recommended brand of weed you smoke regularly has worsened and not helped.

You need to see a doctor before you are permanently stationed in a psychiatric ward.

Go, hurry Junior, don't say I didn't tell you

kikuyu1:


Dude,your word-salads typically contain multiple assertions like reading a second hand car yard brochure. The bolded is an example after which you contradict yourself,qualify yourself and then repeat your assertion without backup stats,facts or figures! Take several seats already!

Admittedly in your primitive Kenya. At least I get to see wild life for free while you are brought up to speed on why you should be quiet in the presence of Nigerians that currently shapes your social and entertainment life so you feel human at the least.

Covert1:


So you are still hallucinating about Agaugust , dude has since taken a long walk but evidently he did things to your brain Junior which symptoms resemble something of mental derangement which the recommended brand of weed you smoke regularly has worsened and not helped.

You need to see a doctor before you are permanently stationed in a psychiatric ward.

Go, hurry Junior, don't say I didn't tell you

Cool story Agaugust.........

jln115:

Cool story Agaugust.........

Still hypnotized with Agaugust not so surprised orthodox medicine apparently is failing to work on a xenophobe. I strongly concur primitive Zulu medicine might be the only cure for your Agaugust conquered brain cells

Junior where u at, stop hiding under the shades, its that time of the night for your zulu xenophobic meds

Covert1:


Still hypnotized with Agaugust not so surprised orthodox medicine apparently is failing to work on a xenophobe. I strongly concur primitive Zulu medicine might be the only cure for your Agaugust conquered brain cells

Junior where u at, stop hiding under the shades, its that time of the night for your zulu xenophobic meds

Carry on Agaugust

jln115:

Carry on Agaugust

Still haunted by Agaugust sleep my boy, sleep Junior, the zulu meds need time to take effect