Obere4u:


But hazard is outscoring him.. So balance equation

What was the goals + assist for both players

patrickmuf:
Hehehe Matip along with TAA are the weakest link in that otherwise compact defense. Robertson is great though but I won't put him on the same level with VDD but he is above TAA in the way he balances attack and defense... Yesterday, all Sheffield United did to a long ball down his wing and every time he was caught up field, Klopp had to instruct Hendo to cover for him.

Allison and VDD are up there with the best closely followed by Robertson then TAA...I don't rate Matip.

Matip is the weak link according to who?

Robertson is the best liverpool defender
If we are talking about defensive players then Matip and Alisson will be ahead of VVD

They aren't just as hyped

nihilistjnr:


Stop it.

I watched Van Dijk live with my 2 eyes yesterday.

That guy is something else. I've never seen a defender like him before.

Infact at some points, Matip will run forward with the ball, and Dijk was the only back man holding the line, in Sheffield uniteds half.

The guy is something else abeg.

Abi o.

We also saw him on the screen, but some people's brains are connected to raumdeuter's keyboard.

A40:
This one has passed harassment tbvh. Nigerians we have this habit of not calling something by its name. It's robbery and kidnapping what happened and what happens Everytime these incidents occur.

I swear. Said on twitter today that this Sars thing is just a way the police have legitimised armed robbery and kidnapping.

What that boy alleged happened to him is a robbery and a kidnapping. In any sane climate if the victim presses charges and all the police are liable to compensate the victim and in most cases dismissing the officers would be the least of their worries as they would also be facing jail time. If it is to round up Sowore now that's when they will show their efficiency.

Which charges you wan even press against these guys? Do we even have rights in this country? If u try to go after them, you're probably just wasting ur time.
Just look at twitter for example. We have been trending EndSars for like 2 years as far as i remember and still nothing has been done.

Me sef don get numerous encounters with law enforcement it's quite exhausting and fortunately I've never had to drop a penny. However a lot of people have not been that lucky

Trust me. I relate very much. But aside random searches on the road, i've only encountered them once where i had to follow them to station. Only thing they did was waste my time. Dem no see one kobo collect from me.

raumdeuter:


Matip is the weak link according to who?

Robertson is the best liverpool defender
If we are talking about defensive players then Matip and Alisson will be ahead of VVD

They aren't just as hyped

When did Matip become this great? Someone that improved recently, after playing regularly with VVD. You can type rubbish in tetrabytes.

Fraser Pryce... What a legend!

Debroslink:
Fraser Pryce... What a legend!

I Dey tell you!

Roland17:


I Dey tell you!

Lol, so you mean you're not watching 36-year-old shakushaku Ribery rip your defense to shreds?

Roland17:


I Dey tell you!

She is the G.O.A.T

Unlimited22:

Lol, so you mean you're not watching 36-year-old shakushaku Ribery rip your defense to shreds?

I Dey watch dem too but no commentaries from me today. Wetin man go do? I don already know say we go lose that game.

afrodoc2:


She is the G.O.A.T

No questions asked.

raumdeuter:


Matip is the weak link according to who?

Robertson is the best liverpool defender
If we are talking about defensive players then Matip and Alisson will be ahead of VVD

They aren't just as hyped

Matip ahead of VVD? Do you really see Liverpool games bar the UCL?

Robertson is a top player but his deliveries ain't as good as that of TAA however, he is very solid defensively...

Roland17:


I Dey watch dem too but no commentaries from me today. Wetin man go do? I don already know say we go lose that game.

Seriously, how do you do it?

patrickmuf:
Matip ahead of VVD? Do you really see Liverpool games bar the UCL?

Robertson is a top player but his deliveries ain't as good as that of TAA however, he is very solid defensively...

I watch many of liverpool games and see the entire defense has improved but Robertson Fabinho and Alisson stand out

Roland17:

I have been following football for too long to give you an ear about the players who left Barcelona and were resigned at different times because that is not the onus of that idea. The idea behind that line is the fact that they came from the farm house and went on to do great things. The Catalonia issue is not restricted to Barcelona fans anyone who follows global politics religiously knows this very well so your fandom does not give you any edge in those aspects.

If you knew those players left and someone else re-signed them, that in itself proves that La Masia is not a vaunted value-system as you would have us believe. It depends on who is at the helm of affairs. Pep and Laporte believed in it, which is why it was followed. Enrique and Valverde like Bartomeu, did not and during their reigns, it was not followed.

I listed 9 players and you added Arteta to the mix, that is a total of 10 players and we are comparing those to a Foden? A player who at best is still a fringe player who barely sweats during match days because he does not play games. Since Pep’s arrival Foden is the only player you can lay claim to? This buttresses my point about the contrast between both teams.

There was Brahim Diaz, Jordan Sancho...City have always had academy players. It is one thing to have them and another thing for those academy players to be better than what you have. Unlike previous City managers, the academy in City are now implementing Pep's philosophy of playing and recruiting, that is a model that did not exist before and was adopted from Barcelona.

In your previous post you talked about cultural appropriation and I ask, cultural appropriation while he is there? What happens afterwards? Is Pep and his crew the originator of the Barcelona philosophy? The ideology was existing decades before him and continues even after him. The ideology is rooted in the people of the city. The hierarchy understand this and have to find ways to keep the core values of the club so as to maintain the history with the people who follow the team.

The value system still started from one person abi? That person passed it unto the next and the next till it fell to Pep. He could have discarded the system or imbibed. He chose the latter. It is that same model he is bringing to City. And he is not bringing it willy-nilly. It was the very reason he was hired. Which is why the club has valued his opinion on recruitment and will value his opinion on his replacement. Besides, everyone can easily tell that Barca have strayed from both the playing style and recruitment policy that pre-existed Pep. People who follow global politics will know today that there is a war between the ultra-catalans and mere-catalans because the ultras believe Bartomeu is introducing a new value system.

When one white person tries cultural appropriation by having dreadlocks does that mean the future of the Caucasian race will now have black hair and dreadlocks? When 2 caucasians have intercourse should they be expecting a black baby? Absolutely not because while it can be transferred by one person, it is only temporal because it is hinged on the person and that is the same thing with Pep and City.

Which is why his input is going to be sought after. The very City hierarchy said they set-up their whole structure just to get him. Unlike some people who said he came here because of money for signings. Some of those people will later claim they follow global politics.

Pep bringing his crew and the Barcelona ideology has no bearing because it is not the City’s culture. Both teams are totally different in their history and Pep can not change it. When Pep leaves, would another coach continue with his ideology or will the new coach come with his own philosophy? Can we argue conclusively that City fans identify with Pep’s style as the culture of the club now?

You seem to be convoluting things. Just like Cryuff introduced a style of play, philosophy of recruiting players and culture of the whole football structure etc in Barca, that is the same way Pep was hired to do the same in City. Cryuff is not catalonian by any stretch of the imagination. He only modified the total football philosophy of the dutch national team and implemented it in Barca. Till Cryuff's death, his opinion was still sought after in Barca and he was part of the reason Pep and not Mou was hired.

1000% City identify with Pep's style. From the grassroot football team to even the board. Not a soul will be hired if they are contrary to his philosophy.

I am crying more than the bereaved but in the same paragraph everyone cried blue murder. Sane had his best season stat wise yet those who thought he deserved a spot in the squad know nothing? Sane’s situation is past now, I am more concerned about his future post recovery from this injury.

Everyone wondered why Sane was not in the roster for the world cup. They slated Loew for it. You are the one who erroneously claimed it was because of Pep that Sane did not make the squad and went on to have misplaced grievances. In other words, crying more than the bereaved in this context is you attributing your dislike for Pep on Sane when the very player himself does not share the same notion with you.

airmark:




When did Matip become this great? Someone that improved recently, after playing regularly with VVD. You can type rubbish in tetrabytes.

Does it matter when he improved? When did Salah improve, when did Mane improve, when did we know Robertson

Your foolishness in Joules will solve electricity issues in Nigeria

raumdeuter:


Does it matter when he improved? When did Salah improve, when did Mane improve, when did we know Robertson

Your foolishness in Joules will solve electricity issues in Nigeria

Sallah and Mane didn't become forces to reckon with, because of good performances in few games.

Matip is better than VVD, is what dem no born you well to spew at Anfield. They will stone you to death.

nihilistjnr:


Stop it.

I watched Van Dijk live with my 2 eyes yesterday.

That guy is something else. I've never seen a defender like him before.

Infact at some points, Matip will run forward with the ball, and Dijk was the only back man holding the line, in Sheffield uniteds half.

The guy is something else abeg.

This one is tales by moonlight. What's the attacking threat of Sheffield United that suggests VVD was carrying an immense amount of defensive load?

What of the game vs Chelsea where Matip was clearly the better defender at Stamford bridge. Or vs another quality opposition in Arsenal where Matip clearly showed his quality and was clearly better than VVD

Let's leave all this story for Jimi Solanke

airmark:


Sallah and Mane didn't become forces to reckon with, because of good performances in few games.

Matip is better than VVD, is what dem no born you well to spew at Anfield. They will stone you to death.

Matip has been the better defender since last season just that he is not massively hyped

When VVD was out, Matip led defence kept a clean sheet in his absence

If there was any justice you would have been stoned to death at infancy

nihilistjnr:


Stop it.

I watched Van Dijk live with my 2 eyes yesterday.

That guy is something else. I've never seen a defender like him before.

Infact at some points, Matip will run forward with the ball, and Dijk was the only back man holding the line, in Sheffield uniteds half.

The guy is something else abeg.

This was against the mighty attacking threat of Sheffield United or was it Barcelona and Man City we are talking about here.

Some people also saw the great Mustafi hold the defence vs some second rate attack in the league cup

When it gets to respectable attackers we start seeing the traffic warden pointing and running from attackers

Lana1:
I swear. Said on twitter today that this Sars thing is just a way the police have legitimised armed robbery and kidnapping.

They clearly have. Have you seen what these mofos wear? If you run into them at night or daytime how can you differentiate them from bandits? Unnumbered vehicles. Bathroom slippers, wearing tattered jeans and reeking alcohol. What differentiates them from the robbers and kidnappers they are supposedly fighting?

Lana1:

Which charges you wan even press against these guys? Do we even have rights in this country? If u try to go after them, you're probably just wasting ur time.
Just look at twitter for example. We have been trending EndSars for like 2 years as far as i remember and still nothing has been done.

Your only hope really is to get your funds back if you're lucky. Half the time you're just happy to escape the scene in one piece that even going to report it is the least of your concerns (kinda what r@pe victims deal with too)
Truth be told elenu ni wa and that's why things continue to be the way they are. We are a docile bunch.

Lana1:

Trust me. I relate very much. But aside random searches on the road, i've only encountered them once where i had to follow them to station. Only thing they did was waste my time. Dem no see one kobo collect from me.

I heard there is even an app that has been created that you could use to alert people of their sighting so they know to avoid that route. That is how bad it has gotten.

raumdeuter:


Matip has been the better defender since last season just that he is not massively hyped

When VVD was out, Matip led defence kept a clean sheet in his absence

If there was any justice you would have been stoned to death at infancy

This same panicky Matip, against your useless team? Mumu

Keown

"Positivity from the centre backs is crucial to the way Jurgen Klopp’s team play. Van Dijk and Joe Gomez — Liverpool’s first-choice pairing — are usually effortless in possession. They are always looking to play forwards to give the platform to build their attacks.

"That was not always the case on Tuesday night. Matip, in particular, panicked in possession. His most frequent pass in the first half was back to Alisson, finding his goalkeeper eight times.


"When I was playing in defence for Arsenal nothing made Arsene Wenger more angry than when we passed back to David Seaman. Go forward and the opposition are deterred from pressing your goalkeeper. Go back and you only invite them on."

Eruditor:


If you knew those players left and someone else re-signed them, that in itself proves that La Masia is not a vaunted value-system as you would have us believe. It depends on who is at the helm of affairs. Pep and Laporte believed in it, which is why it was followed. Enrique and Valverde like Bartomeu, did not and during their reigns, it was not followed.



There was Brahim Diaz, Jordan Sancho...City have always had academy players. It is one thing to have them and another thing for those academy players to be better than what you have. Unlike previous City managers, the academy in City are now implementing Pep's philosophy of playing and recruiting, that is a model that did not exist before and was adopted from Barcelona.



The value system still started from one person abi? That person passed it unto the next and the next till it fell to Pep. He could have discarded the system or imbibed. He chose the latter. It is that same model he is bringing to City. And he is not bringing it willy-nilly. It was the very reason he was hired. Which is why the club has valued his opinion on recruitment and will value his opinion on his replacement. Besides, everyone can easily tell that Barca have strayed from both the playing style and recruitment policy that pre-existed Pep. People who follow global politics will know today that there is a war between the ultra-catalans and mere-catalans because the ultras believe Bartomeu is introducing a new value system.



Which is why his input is going to be sought after. The very City hierarchy said they set-up their whole structure just to get him. Unlike some people who said he came here because of money for signings. Some of those people will later claim they follow global politics.



You seem to be convoluting things. Just like Cryuff introduced a style of play, philosophy of recruiting players and culture of the whole football structure etc in Barca, that is the same way Pep was hired to do the same in City. Cryuff is not catalonian by any stretch of the imagination. He only modified the total football philosophy of the dutch national team and implemented it in Barca. Till Cryuff's death, his opinion was still sought after in Barca and he was part of the reason Pep and not Mou was hired.

1000% City identify with Pep's style. From the grassroot football team to even the board. Not a soul will be hired if they are contrary to his philosophy.



Everyone wondered why Sane was not in the roster for the world cup. They slated Loew for it. You are the one who erroneously claimed it was because of Pep that Sane did not make the squad and went on to have misplaced grievances. In other words, crying more than the bereaved in this context is you attributing your dislike for Pep on Sane when the very player himself does not share the same notion with you.

You see, cultural appropriation is useless without assimilation and that is what you have failed to understand. Assimilation ensures the cultural element that is being adopted transitions past generations and becomes the identity of the people. The last time I checked Pep also coached Bayern Munich, right? I guess the Bayern hierarchy continued Pep's philosophy when they hired Ancelotti? I guess Pep's ideology and philosophy changed the decade-old cultures of the Bavarian nation? Please tell me he did. Pep must have told Bayern to hire Ancelotti, Sagnol, and triple O.G Heynckes or the now much-maligned N. Kovac. The last I checked Pep also had a preference for whom Bayern should hire after he left, did they? absolutely not! Bayern moved on from Pep so will City. Pep leaves City and I can assure you nothing transitions afterward because there are no binding principles to the culture. The same City hierarchy that set up their system to fit Pep will redact their system to suit another coach of their preference when he leaves and that includes the youth system. Pep's ideology can only be binding while he is there, it holds no sway after he departs because it is in contrast to what the owners or the fans believe in.

Oh stop with the snide remarks, they make your argument less valuable. Your comment about City always having youth players is hilarious and blasphemous especially when we are comparing City and Barcelona youth systems. Brahim Diaz and J. Sancho? We don leave Foden ba? Those guys have nothing on the likes of Nedum Onuoha, and S. Ireland who transitioned from the youth system to play regular football for City's senior team and fringe appearances for their national teams. This was before Arab money and Pep and we are here talking about a Diaz that can not even make Madrid's bench and Foden who is going to disappear in a few years from now. Jadon is not originally a City product, he started out at Watford and for what it is worth and for the sake of argument I will speak about him being a City product but did he feature for them? He left City for a reason after less than 2 years to join BVB after failing to break into the first team. Let me also tell you that Jadon joined BVB's youth system so can we say he was really City's product? You are losing ground and clutching on straws with this argument. There is no basis for comparison here bro and there is nothing wrong in leaving it alone.

airmark:


This same panicky Matip, against your useless team? Mumu

Keown

"Positivity from the centre backs is crucial to the way Jurgen Klopp’s team play. Van Dijk and Joe Gomez — Liverpool’s first-choice pairing — are usually effortless in possession. They are always looking to play forwards to give the platform to build their attacks.

"That was not always the case on Tuesday night. Matip, in particular, panicked in possession. His most frequent pass in the first half was back to Alisson, finding his goalkeeper eight times.


"When I was playing in defence for Arsenal nothing made Arsene Wenger more angry than when we passed back to David Seaman. Go forward and the opposition are deterred from pressing your goalkeeper. Go back and you only invite them on."

The panicky Matip was passing to his keeper but the non panicky VVD was passing to Napoli's strikers to score

airmark:


So your line below is the usefulness VVD usually brings? You are even ashamed of your stand, keep on diving away like Neymar.

Ode. Even the traffic warden is he not doing something? Controlling traffic?

You lot belittle the contributions of his teammates and hype the contributions of VVD. We are merely doing the opposite to balance the equation

raumdeuter:


The panicky Matip was passing to his keeper but the non panicky VVD was passing to Napoli's strikers to score

Did that happen last season? Oponu

So, did you condemn Allison too, after he gave Iheanacho gift, last season?

airmark:


Did that happen last season? Oponu

So, did you condemn Allison too, after he gave Iheanacho gift, last season?

Arindin
The numerous ones that Alisson bailed them out of last season

Roland17:

You see, cultural appropriation is useless without assimilation and that is what you have failed to understand. Assimilation ensures the cultural element that is being adopted transitions past generations and becomes the identity of the people.

What is useless is comparing apples to oranges. I just pointed out how Valverde and Bartomeu have not followed the catalan philosophy, play style or recruitment policy. I thought Barcelona was the model you were pointing City to. Your argument has fallen like a pack of cards.

the last time I checked Pep also coached Bayern Munich? I guess the hierarchy continued Pep's philosophy after he left and they hired Ancelotti? I guess Pep's ideology and philosophy changed the decade-old cultures of the Bavarian nation? Please tell me he did. Pep must have told them to hire Ancelotti, Sagnol, and triple O.G Heynckes or the now much-maligned N. Kovac.

This is called creating another narrative to hide yourself in the previous hollow arguments you had made before that have been soundly disproved. If that were not the case, I wonder why you are asking me about Bayern. Abi did anybody in Bayern hire Txiki and Soriano? Did they model their recruitment policy to suit Pep? Did they sign Sane, KdB and Neymar that Pep told them to go all out for?

The last I checked Pep also had a preference for whom Bayern should hire after he left, did they? absolutely not! Bayern moved on from Pep so will City. Pep leaves City and I can assure you nothing transitions afterward because there are no binding principles to the culture.

Sad for those who watch global politics, they should have known that Pep did not have the same influence in Bayern like he did in his first 3 years in Barca. Why do you think he left Barca about the same season Sandro Rosell became Barca president?

The same City hierarchy that set up their system to fit Pep will redact their system to suit another coach of their preference when he leaves and that includes the youth system. Pep's ideology can only be binding while he is there, it holds no sway after he departs because it is in contrast to what the owners or the fans believe in.

Thrash. It is the same you people who said City lost their way under Pellegrini because he realized he had no control anymore and that some of the latter signings City made during his last season like Raheem, KdB etc were in readiness for Pep. I wonder what part of "City owners decided to adopt Barca's system the very same way Barca adopted Cryuff's system" don't you understand?

Oh stop with the snide remarks, they make your argument less valuable. Your comment about City always having youth players is hilarious and blasphemous especially when we are comparing City and Barcelona youth systems. Brahim Diaz and J. Sancho? We don leave Foden ba?

I am almost tempted to question your understanding of context. Having a youth system was never City's issue. It was having one where the type of players being recruited and developed were those who matched the manager's style. United did not do that for Mourinho. That privilege does not belong to every coach because every coach is hired for different reasons. Those players I listed are of the mold that Pep looks out for. Maybe you should update yourself on the conversations Pep said he had with Khaldoon about the youth players City were recruiting and how they are the stock that he would absolutely love.

Those guys have nothing on the likes of Nedum Onuoha, and S. Ireland who transitioned from the youth system to play regular football for City's senior team and fringe appearances for their national teams.

Roland17 made this point? I cannot believe my eyes. This means nothing to all I have been saying. Who will these players replace in the present squad? That is why I told you that having youth players transition into starters is senseless and not neccesarily a model, if they are not good enough to compete either now and in future with the starters who are winning 100 and 98 points. That is the same model Barca employs. Messi broke in because..he is Messi. Jeffren and Delofeu etc had to go elsewhere.

This was before Arab money and Pep and we are here talking about a Diaz that can not even make Madrid's bench and Foden who is going to disappear in a few years from now. Jadon is not originally a City product, he started out at Watford and for what it is worth and for the sake of argument I will speak about him being a City product but did he feature for them?

It feels like you just feel like typing for the sake of it. What does this even mean or have to do with anything? Foden will disappear where? You know this how? The same way you knew Pep signed with Juventus? The same way you were sure Sane was left out of the national team because of Pep? The same way you argued Bayern sacked Pep? I can't take anything you know. Sorry.

He left City for a reason after less than 2 years to join BVB after failing to break into the first team.

So if you know this, why are you asking me about what youth player features prominently in the first team? Apart from Messi (who is Messi) and Busquets which other Barca player did so? That is because it is not enough to just be a youth player, you also have to be good enough to break into the first team- something Pep believes Foden has the potential to achieve and is also the reason David Silva is moving on come season end.

Let me also tell you that Jadon joined BVB's youth system so can we say he was really City's product? You are losing ground and clutching on straws with this argument. There is no basis for comparison here bro and there is nothing wrong in leaving it alone.

If someone else knows what this information means and how it relates to Van Bronkhorst or Arteta or City's newfound philosophy under Pep they should please help me out.

Eruditor:

What is useless is comparing apples to oranges. I just pointed out how Valverde and Bartomeu have not followed the catalan philosophy, play style or recruitment policy. I thought Barcelona was the model you were pointing City to. Your argument has fallen like a pack of cards.



This is called creating another narrative to hide yourself in the previous hollow arguments you had made before that have been soundly disproved. If that were not the case, I wonder why you are asking me about Bayern. Abi did anybody in Bayern hire Txiki and Soriano? Did they model their recruitment policy to suit Pep? Did they sign Sane, KdB and Neymar that Pep told them to go all out for?


Sad for those who watch global politics, they should have known that Pep did not have the same influence in Bayern like he did in his first 3 years in Barca. Why do you think he left Barca about the same season Sandro Rosell became Barca president?



Thrash. It is the same you people who said City lost their way under Pellegrini because he realized he had no control anymore and that some of the latter signings City made during his last season like Raheem, KdB etc were in readiness for Pep. I wonder what part of "City owners decided to adopt Barca's system the very same way Barca adopted Cryuff's system" don't you understand?


I am almost tempted to question your understanding of context. Having a youth system was never City's issue. It was having one where the type of players being recruited and developed were those who matched the manager's style. United did not do that for Mourinho. That privilege does not belong to every coach because every coach is hired for different reasons. Those players I listed are of the mold that Pep looks out for. Maybe you should update yourself on the conversations Pep said he had with Khaldoon about the youth players City were recruiting and how they are the stock that he would absolutely love.



Roland17 made this point? I cannot believe my eyes. This means nothing to all I have been saying. Who will these players replace in the present squad? That is why I told you that having youth players transition into starters is senseless and not neccesarily a model, if they are not good enough to compete either now and in future with the starters who are winning 100 and 98 points. That is the same model Barca employs. Messi broke in because..he is Messi. Jeffren and Delofeu etc had to go elsewhere.


It feels like you just feel like typing for the sake of it. What does this even mean or have to do with anything? Foden will disappear where? You know this how? The same way you knew Pep signed with Juventus? The same way you were sure Sane was left out of the national team because of Pep? The same way you argued Bayern sacked Pep? I can't take anything you know. Sorry.


So if you know this, why are you asking me about what youth player features prominently in the first team? Apart from Messi (who is Messi) and Busquets which other Barca player did so? That is because it is not enough to just be a youth player, you also have to be good enough to break into the first team- something Pep believes Foden has the potential to achieve and is also the reason David Silva is moving on come season end.



If someone else knows what this information means and how it relates to Van Bronkhorst or Arteta or City's newfound philosophy under Pep they should please help me out.

I have told you that you are cluthing on straws and it has become even more evident because of your passive-aggressive comments. First and more importantly, let me reiterate as I have done with many on this forum in the past. I don't engage anyone here or outside here for that matter in debates to flatter or win subjective interpretation(s) of what is intelligent or what is not. Also, the sooner you stop generalizing about how others feel about Pep and focus on my thoughts and comments, the better for you. Please show me where I said Pep has signed for Juventus, I am waiting patiently. My argument about Sane missing the World Cup was because he was dropped by Pep severally and Low acknowledged this as having played a role in is the decision to drop Sane.

So, I am guessing Txiki and Soriano are now the anointed custodians of Barcelona's philosophy, culture, values, and ideologies? This is the funniest stuff I have read bro. So, unless Pep carries those minions, he can not be said to be working on his philosophy? When Pep leaves City, we should expect the 'Custodians" to also follow him since without them he is not said to be playing his philosophy. Any team looking to hire Pep must also make space for Txiki and Soriano else failure is excusable? This has to be a joke for real. Why would Bayern not come up? After all, we are speaking of Pep and his core values which according to you transcends his tenure. City has not signed everyone Pep wanted, does that mean his failures can be excused because of that? I reckon he wanted Alexis Sanchez and many others but he did not everyone he wanted, did he make excuses? Since na point and kill market.

In comparison to the Barca farm system, how many City youth products have gone on to be better than S. Ireland, Onuoha or even D. Boyata? Again the magic words are "in comparison to Barcelona". This argument has become bitter for you and it is only a matter of time before you degenerate into name-calling which I abhor not because I judge people who indulge but because it is not my style and I don't have to conform.

This kind derailment no get equal.

afrodoc2:

This kind derailment no get equal.

I can’t just imagine.

Roland17:


I have told you that you are cluthing on straws and it has become even more evident because of your passive-aggressive comments. First and more importantly, let me reiterate as I have done with many on this forum in the past. I don't engage anyone here or outside here for that matter in debates to flatter or win subjective interpretation(s) of what is intelligent or what is not. Also, the sooner you stop generalizing about how others feel about Pep and focus on my thoughts and comments, the better for you. Please show me where I said Pep has signed for Juventus, I am waiting patiently. My argument about Sane missing the World Cup was because he was dropped by Pep severally and Low acknowledged this as having played a role in is the decision to drop Sane.

Ofcourse this is not true.

So, I am guessing Txiki and Soriano are now the anointed custodians of Barcelona's philosophy, culture, values, and ideologies? This is the funniest stuff I have read bro. So, unless Pep carries those minions, he can not be said to be working on his philosophy? When Pep leaves City, we should expect the 'Custodians" to also follow him since without them he is not said to be playing his philosophy

Sorry but this makes no sense. I only brought up Txiki and Soriano to show the length City went to lure Pep. That is all. The same Pep has said repeatedly that he was not signed to win the UCL. But to play his way and to bring a winning culture to City.

Any team looking to hire Pep must also make space for Txiki and Soriano else failure is excusable? This has to be a joke for real. Why would Bayern not come up? After all, we are speaking of Pep and his core values which according to you transcends his tenure.

Bayern does not come up because going there was a detour.

City has not signed everyone Pep wanted, does that mean his failures can be excused because of that? I reckon he wanted Alexis Sanchez and many others but he did not everyone he wanted, did he make excuses? Since na point and kill market.

What does this even mean? What failures are we talking about and what does this even have to do with the subject matter? Besides, there is a difference between Pep pulling the plug on Alexis and City saying they won't go for him. He clearly holds more sway than he did in Barca when Rosell came and in Bayern.

In comparison to the Barca farm system, how many City youth products have gone on to be better than S. Ireland, Onuoha or even D. Boyata? Again the magic words are "in comparison to Barcelona". This argument has become bitter for you and it is only a matter of time before you degenerate into name-calling which I abhor not because I judge people who indulge but because it is not my style and I don't have to conform.

I don't know what this means or how it relates. None of these players will feature in this current team so what does it have to do with anything?