gregyboy:



Nope its true ....


First pics a sculpture of a benin chief found at ife with a rounded bead and is closed hands just like a typical benin chief

Second picture comedian edopikin with a typical benin bead outfit just like the onni of ife

Third pics shows yorubas mornachs wearing the original brown beads beads of the yoruba people

The ooni getting to wear a red coral bead shows nothing but its true origin from benin ,as is rest other kingsmen wear different set of beads ....

They were so many benin chiefs that influenced the yorubas at ife just like the typical benin chief in the sculpture above

gregyboy:

When we tell the Yoruba's they origin dates from benin they will argue....

The pop of a tribe does not anount its origin.

gregyboy:


Nope its true ....

First pics a sculpture of a benin chief found at ife with a rounded bead and is closed hands just like a typical benin chief

Second picture comedian edopikin with a typical benin bead outfit just like the onni of ife

Third pics shows yorubas mornachs wearing the original brown beads beads of the yoruba people

The ooni getting to wear a red coral bead shows nothing but its true origin from benin ,as is rest other kingsmen wear different set of beads ....

They were so many benin chiefs that influenced the yorubas at ife just like the typical benin chief in the sculpture above

TAO11:


Tell this to your fellow Benin retards who have no idea of the number of times I've flogged you black and blue while you run away only to come back for more months later like a prostitute.

I doubt if your Benin brother, Atigba will agree with you on this because he's always against you while he defends the historical fact that all the Obas of Benin till date are Yorubas.



Dear olajigaolamide, pay no heed to the poor Benin mythomaniac called gregyboy for he is out to distort and lie to unsuspecting people on Nairaland. Many people already know him, but this may be your first time encountering him.

The fact that this lad had to resort to lying is a full proof that he has admitted not only to be on the wrong path, but that he is in fact inferior.


The first image he attached is of a curator of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts, Francis Marzio, while she stood beside the sculpture of a certain Ife individual known by the name Idena a.k.a. Adina who was the first priest of Ore in Ile-Ife.

The sculptures of Idena --- Ore's priest, and of Ore himself were excavated from Ore-Grove in Ile-Ife.

From my first attached screenshot below, you would notice that both Ore and Idena are depicted to be adorning the round beaded necklace; while Ore has additional longer beaded necklace extending down almost to the knee level.

Also, Ore's beaded bracelets almost extend to his elbows in contrast to his priest's. Ore is a notable early Ife hunter who became deified.

You could have asked the Benin liar called gregyboy to identify the expert standing beside the sculpture he attached. Lol!

And then ask him to provide a statement from the same expert herself (or from any expert work for that matter) which says that the sculpture represents a Bini chief.

With such a simple request alone, you would have gotten him rambling and confused before he would then finally run away. Lol.

The link here contains the video from where gregyboy screenshot his first attachment :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnpb8Q-7_pc

Guess what, the curator makes it clear in the video that the figure is an Ife sculpture by the name Adina (as opposed to being of a Benin chief found in Ife as fraudulently claimed by gregyboy).

Maybe gregyboy will tell us the meaning of Adina from his Edo language.


Moreover, the curator in the same video clearly attributed the source of Adena's beaded necklace and beaded bracelets to Ile-Ife itself.

She quickly added and clarified in connection to Adena's beaded necklaces and beaded bracelets that:

"The wealth of Ife was due to bead making tradition. They exported their glass beads North to the North of Africa and made this area very prosperous."

It was as if she already knew you to be an unrepentant liar.

My attached screenshot below of Ore and his priest, Idena is taken from the work of an Havard professor of Arican Art and Architecture, Profesor Suzanne Preston Blier which confirms the sculpture to be of Ore's priest, as opposed to gregyboy 's imagination of some Bini chief.

See: Suzanne P. Blier, "Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba", Journal of African Arts, Winter 2012, Vol. 45, No. 4, p. 72.


Regarding his claim that Yoruba beads are not red but brown. He is again doing what he does best --- that is, blatantly lying even in the face of evidence.

For the record, the Yorubas have several varieties of beads of different colours (blue, white, red, brown, etc.), shapes (spherical, ellipsoid, cylindrical, etc.), and materials (glass, coral, etc.).

The most prominent of these being the red tubular coral beads called Iyun, as well as as the blue dichroic glass beads called Segi.

The second attachment below shows samples of some red beads discovered and recovered from Ife by a team of experts who conducted finds at Ife.

These beads as they are here are presently kept in the British Museum. They were entered into the Museum's archives in 1946.


Moreover, it has already been demonstrated clearly to the mythomaniac called gregyboy that:

1. At the time when Ife was already producing beads, Benin kingdom had not yet began the use beads. They dared not!

2. At the time when Ife artists were casting sculptures of Oonis showing a lavish and elaborate adorment of beads (such as the two ancient Ife sculptures shown in my first comment on this thread), the Binis had not dared begun the use of beads.


I have clearly established these two foregoing points (among others) with overwhelming evidence in the following threads, and I have challenged gregyboy to refute them. But guess what, he always runs away:

https://www.nairaland.com/5233907/yoruba-descendants-brazil-cerebrate-obaluwaye/16#81637846

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81635807


Oh ye gregyboy, I hope you will have some balls to return to the aforementioned threads from which you've fled for months now, and at least say something --- although has to be something sensible, assuming that's even possible. Lol.

Please olajigaolamide, do not forget to always copy me if you by chance find gregyboy lying on any thread concerning Yoruba and Benin connection.

gregyboy must be regretting already that I'm on Nairaland.

Thanks!

gregyboy:


Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point
....

See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman...
She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.

And by that she is bound to make error's

The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct,
that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man

Here is a typical benin chief

At pics one

Pics 2 is shows the sculpture

You dont always have to fight it ...
Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....

The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...

The third pics shows a typical yoruba beads

Atigba:


What can I do for you

You non wan answer my email

gregyboy:


Screen shot your point i can't access my emails now...

TAO11:


Tell this to your fellow Benin retards who have no idea of the number of times I've flogged you black and blue while you run away only to come back for more months later like a prostitute.

I doubt if your Benin brother, Atigba will agree with you on this because he's always against you while he defends the historical fact that all the Obas of Benin till date are Yorubas.



Dear olajigaolamide, pay no heed to the poor Benin mythomaniac called gregyboy for he is out to distort and lie to unsuspecting people on Nairaland. Many people already know him, but this may be your first time encountering him.

The fact that this lad had to resort to lying is a full proof that he has admitted not only to be on the wrong path, but that he is in fact inferior.


The first image he attached is of the curator of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts, Francis Marzio, while she stood close to the sculpture of a certain Ife individual known by the name Idena a.k.a. Adina who was the first priest of Ore in Ile-Ife.

The sculptures of Idena --- Ore's priest, and of Ore himself were excavated from Ore-Grove in Ile-Ife.

From my first attached screenshot below, you would notice that both Ore and Idena are depicted to be adorning the round beaded necklace; while Ore has additional longer beaded necklace extending down almost to the knee level.

Also, Ore's beaded bracelets almost extend to his elbows in contrast to his priest's. Ore is a notable early Ife hunter who became deified.

You could have asked the Benin liar called gregyboy to identify the expert standing beside the sculpture he attached. Lol!

And then ask him to provide a statement from the same expert herself (or from any expert work for that matter) which says that the sculpture represents a Bini chief.

With such a simple request alone, you would have gotten him rambling and confused before he would then finally run away. Lol.

The link here contains the video from where gregyboy screenshot his first attachment :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnpb8Q-7_pc

Guess what, the curator herself makes it clear in the video that the figure is an Ife sculpture by the name Adina (as opposed to being of a Benin chief found in Ife as fraudulently claimed by gregyboy).

Maybe gregyboy will tell us the meaning of Adina from his Edo language.

Furthermore, the curator, in the same video, clearly attributed the source of Adena's beaded necklace and beaded bracelets to Ile-Ife itself.

She quickly added and clarified in connection to Adena's beaded necklaces and beaded bracelets that:

"The wealth of Ife was due to bead making tradition. They exported their glass beads North to the North of Africa and made this area very prosperous."

It was as if she already knew you to be an unrepentant liar.

My attached screenshot below of Ore and his priest, Idena is taken from the work of an Havard professor of Arican Art and Architecture, Profesor Suzanne Preston Blier which confirms the sculpture to be of Ore's priest, as opposed to gregyboy 's imagination of some Bini chief.

See: Suzanne P. Blier, "Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba", Journal of African Arts, Winter 2012, Vol. 45, No. 4, p. 72.


Regarding his claim that Yoruba beads are not red but brown. He is again doing what he does best --- that is, blatantly lying even in the face of evidence.

For the record, the Yorubas have several varieties of beads of different colours (such as: blue, white, red, brown, green, etc.), shapes (such as: spherical, ellipsoidal, cylindrical, spheroidal, etc.), and materials (such as: glass, coral, etc.).

The most prominent of these being the red tubular coral beads called Iyun, as well as as the blue dichroic glass beads called Segi.

The second attachment below shows samples of some red beads discovered and recovered from Ife by a team of experts who conducted finds at Ife.

These beads as they are here are presently kept in the British Museum. They were entered into the Museum's archives in 1946.


Moreover, it has already been demonstrated clearly to the mythomaniac called gregyboy that:

1. At the time when Ife was already producing beads, Benin kingdom had not yet began the use beads. They dared not!

2. At the time when Ife artists were casting sculptures of Oonis showing a lavish and elaborate adorment of beads (such as the two ancient Ife sculptures shown in my first comment on this thread), the Binis had not dared begun the use of beads.


I have clearly established these two foregoing points (among others) with overwhelming evidence in the following threads, and I have challenged gregyboy to refute them. But guess what, he always runs away:

https://www.nairaland.com/5233907/yoruba-descendants-brazil-cerebrate-obaluwaye/16#81637846

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81635807


Oh ye gregyboy, I hope you will have some balls to return to the aforementioned threads from which you've fled for months now, and at least say something --- although has to be something sensible, assuming that's even possible. Lol.

Please olajigaolamide, do not forget to always copy me if you by chance find gregyboy lying on any thread concerning Yoruba and Benin connection.

gregyboy must be regretting already that I'm on Nairaland.

Thanks!

gregyboy:


Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point
....

See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman...
She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.

And by that she is bound to make error's

The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct,
that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man.

Here is a typical benin chief

At pics one

Pics 2 is shows the sculpture

You dont always have to fight it ...
Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....

The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...

The third pics shows a typical yoruba beads

TAO11:


Hahaha, exposed retard!

You won't cease to amuse.

You showed a screenshot of a Museum curator standing next to a sculpture.

And then you made up a lie from thin air that the sculpture is a Benin Chief.

It turned out that it was voices in your head that directed you, as usual, to call the sculpture a Benin Chief.

The primary evidence you presented was the screenshot of a video, yet the video turned out to betray you. . What a pity?! Hahaha


Once again I challenge you, name the voices in your head who informed you that that was a Bini chief.

Because you've obviously been betrayed by every known scholar, such as: Francis Marzio, --- the same Museum curator in your own screenshot; Suzanne P. Blier --- the Havard Professor of African Art and Architectire; Henry J. Drewal --- another Professor of African Art.


Your case is as that of a child who says 1+1 = 5, and then when he corrected by at least three 3 different and independent Professors of Mathematics, the child replies saying: each of these three Professors of Mathematics have no idea what they're talking about.

At the point, the parent should stop arguing and immediately lead the child to the hospital as a matter of urgency.

In light of this, I implore to seek treatment very urgently. I have obviously dealt you a great blow months ago.

Also, I am waiting for you to substantiate all your personal word of mouth above with any shred of evidence or proof.

You can't simply bring anything from your head like: Benin influenced Ife and other Yoruba; or Yoruba make beads from stone; or Yoruba imported their beads from the North (even when schors state the precise opposite); and expect even your fellow Bini retards to believe them without evidence.

I like to emphasize again (for the sake of unsuspecting persons whom you love to target) that I have already debunked all your claims, by demonstratingg with heavy incontrovertible evidence that:


1. The Ooni of Ife was suzerain, imperial, and divine over Benin kingdom.

2. Ile-Ife civilized Benin kingdom into the art of metal casting and the metal casting techniques.

3. The USE of beads wasn't introduced into Benin kingdom until during the reign of Ewuare1 in the 1400s

4. Ile-Ife had been flourishing as a center of glass beads (and coral beads) PRODUCTION since as early as the 1100s, and perhaps earlier --- that is, centuries before beads use was allowed in Benin kingdom.

5. Ife artworks predates the earliest extant Benin artworks by a minimum of 300 years.


You've ran away like bi.tch for months now (and still counting) just because you couldn't deny any of my argument with which I reached each of the foregoing conclusions.

C'mon, have some balls. Your fellow Binis must be embarrassed on your behalf now because you already lie uncontrollable.

gregyboy:



You need a sleep....

Atigba:


You

gregyboy:



Who is from benin

Obalufon:



Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia

gregyboy:


Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point
....

See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman...
She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.

And by that she is bound to make error's

The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct,
that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man

Here is a typical benin chief

At pics one

Pics 2 is shows the sculpture

You dont always have to fight it ...
Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....

The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...

The third pics shows a typical yoruba beads

Obalufon:



Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia

TAO11:


Hahaha!

You're obviously bereft of any "intelligent" come-back to muster.

It seems you've exhausted your lies from your lie-bank.

And guess what, you obviously need to see an expert who specializes in psychiatry (mythomania specifically) as a matter of urgency.

Because you already lie uncontrollably.

gregyboy:

Obalufon:



Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia

gregyboy:



Haha benin beads and ife beads is just too different for that statement you made ....

The present coral beads that has become a general bead wear in nigeria was brough by the Portuguese. ..

The benin local beads are dark red and was done in benin...
Benin the mighty forest reigned over ife ...
Anywhere a benin prince set is foot he makes king

gregyboy:



Haha benin beads and ife beads is just too different for that statement you made ....

The present coral beads that has become a general bead wear in nigeria was brough by the Portuguese. ..

The benin local beads are dark red and was done in benin...

Benin the mighty forest reigned over ife ...
Anywhere a benin prince set is foot he makes king

TAO11:


Coral beads are mined from oceans.

They were introduced to the Binis by the Portuguese in the late 1400s. I am glad you admitted this.

Provide your evidence for bead production in Benin kingdom prior to the 1400s. Impossible!

The so-called Evie and Ekan were not used in Benin until the late 1400s.

Ile-Ife, on the other hand, has been using, producing, and exporting beads to North Africa since as early as the 1100s, and in fact centuries earlier.

I kind of pity you now.

Obalufon:
yoruba traders were known as far as Morocco Sudan, Mauritanian mail we were known for our coral beads..our history didn't start with coming of the Europeans...

TAO11:


Of course!

Obalufon:



Thanks bro

TAO11:


Yes oo, that's me.

I was dealing with your fellow Bini brother.

Strange thing is: He lies more than any Benin person I have ever encountered on Nairaland.

He lies even more than you. I called you to come and witness it for yourself so that you all may call him to order and summon him to slow down.

Cheers!

Atigba:


I don't lie, every thing I ever told you is true

The Oba of Benin is a native of Ille Ife and Awori people are from Benin. You said you are Awori that time.

Why are you not answering my email?

gregyboy:



No the ife beads were originally different from the benin beads ife beads were made of Stone's and brownish in nature ...

Some were gotten from the north particularly the beads the muslim use for their prayers the benin beads were very different from the ife beads

The Yoruba's slaves taken from nigeria to brazil had some of the original yoruba beads and they were brown and was like Stone's

TAO11:


Yes, the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man. I have never denied that.

But no, Aworis are not from Benin. That's where your lie lies.

Saying that Aworis are from Benin is just as saying that Ijaws, for example, are originally from Canada. There is no connection whatsoever.

I have told you severally that my paternal grandmother is Awori, and you don't know us more than us.

Aworis are descendants of Olofin Ogunfunminire from Ile-Ife. Their origin have absolutely nothing to do with Edo/Benin.

Stop spreading misinformation!

Atigba:


Which century did Aworis left Ife to Lagos

TAO11:


One can only be certain that it was long long before the 15th century, because by the 15th century they were already found in today's Lagos and Ogun regions.

*Please note that 15th century means the 1400s--- that is, they arrived long long before the 1400s.



It's my turn to ask a question:

Which century did the aboriginal Edo people arrive in their present homeland from wherever they originally came??

Thanks!

Atigba:


The progenitor of our race is PA IDU

We are ancient people

we are IDU people and we've been where we are for thousands of years.