Kimbeast:

I am not comparing them. I am talking solely on Hazard personal season at Madrid. If he bangs in 20+ goals with 10+ assists will you admit he has performed exceptional?

@Raumdeuter, this is a fair argument by @Kimbeast because he is not actually comparing Hazard to Neymar, he is just saying "IF" Hazard turns his season around by posting those numbers, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not by Neymar's standards.

raumdeuter:


Hazard fans will talk a good game about how he is only after Messi in this and that, better than Neymar, Salah etc yet will want to judge him by the bar meant for players like Pedro, Adama Traore, Zaha and Snodgrass

E.g I a so strong, I am stronger than Anthony Joshua and Mayweather but I only need to beat a 10yr old boy to prove it

raumdeuter:


Is VVD not a defender? What about his primary duties which is defending?

I saw him vs Sheffield United cutting dangerous crosses coming from TAA side into the box, putting his body on the line and dominating in the air.

Kimbeast:
Neymar, by the way, didn't reach that tally in his first season at the club. You are talking in hindsight because neymar has already played 4+ seasons at Barca so you can decide to pick his best season to use as a benchmark for hazard. Does that sound reasonable?

Neymar got to Spain as a 21yr old, Hazard got to Spain as a 28yr old

When Neymar scored 39 goals, Hazard fans still insisted Hazard will do better once he plays for Madrid and faces Spanish farmers regularly

Neymars best season in Spain 39 goals, Anything less than 39goals is failure for Hazard. Do you agree?

Roland17:
@Ramdeuter, this is a fair argument by @Kimbeast because he is not actually comparing Hazard to Neymar, he is just saying "IF" Hazard turns his season around by posting those numbers, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not by Neymar's standards.

Hazard fans always argue that he is better than Neymar. IF they had argued that he is better than players who see 20 goals as exceptional I might have agreed. Rather they compared him with a player who scored 39goals in Spain

What is the expected standard for a player you say is better than one who scored 39goals

Roland if you score 39 goals and someone said he is better than you, what will be the minimum standard to show that?

Roland17:


@Raumdeuter, this is a fair argument by @Kimbeast because he is not actually comparing Hazard to Neymar, he is just saying "IF" Hazard turns his season around by posting those numbers, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not by Neymar's standards.

Thank God you get my point. Hazard has started this season badly by his standard. So I am saying if he ends the season with 30+ goals and assist that will be an exceptional Season for him Individual.

raumdeuter:

Neymar got to Spain as a 21yr old, Hazard got to Spain as a 28yr old

When Neymar scored 39 goals, Hazard fans still insisted Hazard will do better once he plays for Madrid and faces Spanish farmers regularly

Neymars best season in Spain 39 goals, Anything less than 39goals is failure for Hazard. Do you agree?

If hazard doesn't reach those figures after 4+ seasons then we can have that discussion.

Pedro while in Spain scored
2009/2010 scored 23 goals
2010/2011 scored 22 goals
2013/14 scored 19 goals

kimbeast Roland17 look at this numbers comparing the so called quality of Hazard vs Pedro

Now tell me how many goals will you consider reasonable for Hazard

Kimbeast:

If hazard doesn't reach those figures after 4+ seasons then we can have that discussion.

Did Hazard get to Spain as a 21yr old? Hazard got to Spain in his prime and he is expected to deliver prime numbers

Let me ask if a player(Messi) gets to Man Utd who claims to be better than CR7, will we judge him by CR7 numbers when he first joined Man Utd or with CR7 peak numbers at Man Utd?

Or if CR7 gets to Barcelona at age 28 are we going judge him by the numbers Messi had in 2006 or by Messi peak numbers?

Let me put numbers for clarity. Ronaldos first season in Man Utd he had 6 goals So to decide if a player is better than Ronaldo at Man Utd, all he needs to do is have 6 goals which Ronaldo had in his first season

Kimbeast and Ronald17 I need answers to this

raumdeuter:


Hazard fans always argue that he is better than Neymar. IF they had argued that he is better than players who see 20 goals as exceptional I might have agreed. Rather they compared him with a player who scored 39goals in Spain

What is the expected standard for a player you say is better than one who scored 39goals

Roland if you score 39 goals and someone said he is better than you, what will be the minimum standard to show that?

You are absolutely right based on the metrics of judgment, however, that may be for another argument, not Kimbeast's at this time. The way I am reading it, Kimbeast is not necessarily comparing both players if anything he has subtly admitted that Hazard has flopped thus far and he is only making a case for a possible turn around for Hazard. In the instance Hazard posts those numbers at the end of the season after having a horrible start to the season, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not in comparison to Neymar.

Kimbeast:

Thank God you get my point. Hazard has started this season badly by his standard. So I am saying if he ends the season with 30+ goals and assist that will be an exceptional Season for him Individual.

In all my years watching him, I don't think I've ever seen him perform as poorly as he did against athletico. He may not be as good as the hype but there's no way he is that bad. I strongly believe he'll turn things around.

I'm sure airmark is archiving some posts already

Roland17:


You are absolutely right based on the metrics of judgment, however, that may be for another argument, not Kimbeast's at this time. The way I am reading it, Kimbeast is not necessarily comparing both players if anything he has subtly admitted that Hazard has flopped thus far and he is only making a case for a possible turn around for Hazard. In the instance Hazard posts those numbers at the end of the season after having a horrible start to the season, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not in comparison to Neymar.

The context of most Hazard argument on this thread for the past 5yrs has been in comparison with Neymar and some subtle hints at Messi and Ronaldo

If anyone was comparing him to Pedro Zaha, even Rashford do you think we will stay long on this?

If kimbeast agrees that Neymar is far better than Hazard then I don't have an argument or discussion with him because we are basically saying the same thing

i.e An exceptional season for Hazard is a 20 goal season

rationalmind:


In all my years watching him, I don't think I've ever seen him perform as poorly as he did against athletico. He may not be as good as the hype but there's no way he is that bad. I strongly believe he'll turn things around.

I'm sure airmark is archiving some posts already

Did you watch the entire 2015/16 season or you started supporting Chelsea after that?

raumdeuter:


The context of most Hazard argument on this thread for the past 5yrs has been in comparison with Neymar and some subtle hints at Messi and Ronaldo

If anyone was comparing him to Pedro Zaha, even Martial do you think we will stay long on this?

If kimbeast agrees that Neymar is far better than Hazard then I don't have an argument or discussion with him because we are basically saying the same thing

Kukuma kee me!

Like Pilate, I don wash my hand commot for 2 una argument.

raumdeuter:


Did you watch the entire 2015/16 season or you started supporting Chelsea after that?

Tbh, I don't recall him being as poor as he was against Athletico.

Roland17:


You are absolutely right based on the metrics of judgment, however, that may be for another argument, not Kimbeast's at this time. The way I am reading it, Kimbeast is not necessarily comparing both players if anything he has subtly admitted that Hazard has flopped thus far and he is only making a case for a possible turn around for Hazard. In the instance Hazard posts those numbers at the end of the season after having a horrible start to the season, it would be fair to say he had an exceptional season, again, not in comparison to Neymar.

Why are you the only one getting the point I am driving at? I am talking about hazard personal season devoid of comparisism with any one. Everyone is taking shots at hazard saying he has flopped badly so I am asking raumdeuter directly if hazard ends this current season with 30goals + assist how will he rate hazard seasons?

Kimbeast:

Why are you the only one getting the point I am driving at? I am talking about hazard personal season devoid of comparisism with any one. Everyone is taking shots at hazard saying he has flopped badly so I am asking ramdeuter directly if hazard ends this current season with 30goals + assist how will he rate hazard seasons?

You dont rate anything in isolation, You only rate people and things in comparison to something or someone
mention any attribute and tell me if its not in comparison to some metrics. e.g how do you know you are tall, fat, fast brilliant, skinny if it's not in comparison to something

Have you read the novel Gulliver travels? The main character was a giant in some places and a dwarf in another place.
Aki and Pawpaw are considered dwarfs in comparison to people around them, if they go to a land of dwarf they will be giants or regular people
Someone with N20k can be rich or poor depending on who you are comparing him to
How do we know if Hazards 30goal a season is exceptional if we are not comparing him to something that should be on his level?

iamoyindamola:
But watermark think you can form rambo...shebi na you they here they tell us story many has died in the hands of these demons

It's either you are just irresponsible or you don't know who Rambo was in the movies. Did skimpled form Rambo when he narrated his ordeal with them? How does being composed, answering their requests without insult or violence and refusing to pay 250k, same as forming Rambo?

You haven't told us the confessions made by your brother before they took you to the station. You can only deceive yourself.

Skimpled I can now start calling you Skimple Rambo.

rationalmind:


In all my years watching him, I don't think I've ever seen him perform as poorly as he did against athletico. He may not be as good as the hype but there's no way he is that bad. I strongly believe he'll turn things around.

I'm sure airmark is archiving some posts already

We know them. When we start quoting them subsequently, they will start asking foolish and irrelevant questions like, 'where is Krichowiak'?. Telling us that "I didn't say Hazard wasn't good, just that he was overhyped' and other nonsense lines.

patrickmuf:
Abeg stop it already...

Who created that chance for Mane against Sheffield United with a raking long pass from defense?

In the UEFA super cup, VVD pinned about 4 long balls to Salah that saw him 1v1 against Zouma but Salah was useless that day, he couldn't make any of the passes count.

VVD is better with the ball at his feet driving forward and pinging long balls...

this vvd asslicker nawa for you oo ..

I have already answered the person who asked of the criteria am talking about and you are talking about spraying passes..

Lmao, we will soon push vvd to number 10. So he can be spraying 1vs1 passes better..

raumdeuter:


Others like you are seeing the light and confessing that they did it for likes and shares. In their minds they know the truth that Hazard is just a shakushaku exponent like we have always told you

Which mumu light are they seeing?
No Sané human being takes impatient Madrid fans serious.infact I wish he continues to drop the disaster class performance, so they loan him back to Chelsea, can't wait to see him under Lampard's system at least with him under lampard I wouldn't have to lost twice to that German nazi with yellow teeth.

Dude been something else since the season began

popizaino:


Which mumu light are they seeing?
No Sané human being takes impatient Madrid fans serious.infact I wish he continues to drop the disaster class performance, so they loan him back to Chelsea, can't wait to see him under Lampard's system at least with him under lampard I wouldn't have to lost twice to that German nazi with yellow teeth.

Imagine a Chelsea fan saying they dont take Madrid fans seriously. Shey na the permanently drunk Chelsea fans person go take serious? Madrid has a very high standard, they are a club used to winning, their fans are used to top level footballers and to winning. Not their fault that they cannot put up with useless shakushaku twerkers

You think say na every team go put up with an unproductive player like Hidden Hazard?

HewlettPackard:
Dude been something else since the season began

some said jorginho' is a ninny, some thought after sarri he will be relegated to the bench..

raumdeuter:


If you see as Madrid fans and media enter Hidden, me sef begin dey pity am. Wetin pain most of them be say Vicinius Rodrigo James and Isco are sitting for hidden to showcase his atilogwu

Hidden thought this was Chelsea where he will be dribbling aimlessly just to please himself and fanboys like popiziano will be hailing his unproductive football

I expect Hazard to be a goalkeeper in next fifa 11 based on his number of clean sheets

You call beating players with skills to set up teammates going aimless dribbles and unproductive football?

Walahi if the world should see football the way you want us to see it, I bet you the game will have less global viewership than Quilox attendance on a Monday morning.

lordfalcao:
this vvd asslicker nawa for you oo ..

I have already answered the person who asked of the criteria am talking about and you are talking about spraying passes..

Lmao, we will soon push vvd to number 10. So he can be spraying 1vs1 passes better..

Lol see the person calling me an asslicker...Some jokes write themselves...

raumdeuter:


The background of the Hazard debates here comes from his fans comparing him with Neymar. And the excuse they gave was that Neymar is playing in a weak Spanish league where its easy to score. Hazard is now in the same weak league. Shouldn't we expect him to outscore a player he is better than?

popiziano, mapoka, airmark chelseafan1

Neymar scored 39 goals at Barcelona, You all said Hazard is better and would do better once he gets to Madrid

How many goals should we be expecting from Hazard this season now that he is playing against farmers in Spain

Pls keep me out of your mention when you are gloating on numbers. It is not my thing Abeg. My eyes does better judgement than relying on numbers that doesn't tell the whole story. Or is fabregas the best Spanish midfielder ever mr numbers?

popizaino:
You call beating players with skills to set up teammates going aimless dribbles and unproductive football?

Walahi if the world should see football the way you want us to see it, I bet you the game will have less global viewership than Quilox attendance on a Monday morning.

How many times has Hidden been able to set up players to score while in Chelsea? He was delivering 4, 5 and 4 assists in consecutive seasons while a more intelligent Fabregas was nailing double-digits assists

Why do you need to beat a player with skill when a pass can do an easier job? A pass will travel from one box to the other under 2 second while Usain Bolt the worlds fastest man will need at least 8seconds to cover that distance assuming there was even no player on the way

That is why supreme passers are always preferred than dribble merchants like Adama Traore Hazard and co

popizaino:


Pls keep me out of your mention when you are gloating on numbers. It is not my thing Abeg. My eyes does better judgement than relying on numbers that doesn't tell the whole story. Or is fabregas the best Spanish midfielder ever mr numbers?

Why will Fabregas be the best Spanish midfielder ever?

Let's wait till the end of season before we judge hazard.
Adjusting to a new league isn't easy

donjazet:
Let's wait till the end of season before we judge hazard.
Adjusting to a new league isn't easy

Aubameyang KdB beg to disagree

airmark:


It's either you are just irresponsible or you don't know who Rambo was in the movies. Did skimpled form Rambo when he narrated his ordeal with them? How does being composed, answering their requests without insult or violence and refusing to pay 250k, same as forming Rambo?

You haven't told us the confessions made by your brother before they took you to the station. You can only deceive yourself.

Skimpled I can now start calling you Skimple Rambo.

shut the fvck up oponu agbalagba