safarigirl:


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We are not here to discuss his citizenship. This thread is for Super Eagles players, as you can probably read, not for Nigerian players. So, when we discuss anybody here, we are discussing those that are eligible to play for Nigeria (and want to play) or already play for Nigeria.

We are not discussing those that go to Nigerian Weddings in London and eat Jollof rice, then wish Nigeria Happy Independence and fly the flag whenever a Burna Boy jam comes on at a club in Essex. This is not the thread for those ones, else, we may also begin to talk about Skepta and John Boyega.


As far as this thread and the rest of the workd is concerned, Tammy is English. Be guided

Joebie:
When we stop talking about Dafoe, Ronaldo, Suarez, Messi, man city and many clubs that have no SE players in them even when they are not playing relevant clubs, then we can keep to that rule.

For me SE players come first, SE hopefuls, other Nigerians, in that order. The new dawn of players will contain a mix of these.

TheGoodJoe:
It is not today komekn started. How hilarious the post looks now.

forgiveness:


Is Lillie lower than the lowly Championship teams?

If you put Osimhen in those team in the Championship, do you think he will score goals?

Joebie:
Way to go. If many Nigerians think like you the county for don progress tey tey.

Joebie:
But in the quote he said “right now..”
Nothing hilarious about it to me. If the likes of Success and Iheanacho have followed a better path to development they would likely be stealing headlines like Osimhen today. I personally don’t famcy our players rushing to the EPL.

safarigirl:
Nigeria's laws do not supercede international laws, as regards nationality.

Anybody without a Nigerian passport, will not be regarded as a Nigerian in the international community. You may even be born and bred in Nigeria, but you will be identified with the passport you possess on the international front. When Pius Adesanmi died in the fatal Ethiopian plane crash last year or so, he was listed as Canadian, because he had a Canadian passport. A certain actress, Hannah John-Kamen, has a Nigerian dad and Norwegian mum, but she is British.

At most, Tammy would be of Nigerian-origin, but as long as he has an English passport, he is English.

safarigirl:
in komekn's defence, he was talking of the "here and now"; in that moment, he wasn't talking long term

And to some extent, he wasn't wrong. After all, this is two years after; it took Victor at least a year after that post, to get his footing back.

It doesn't look hilarious, it looks concise.

Starboytwo:
I imagine what the super Eagles attack will look like in say 2 years from now...

Imagine an osihmen and chukwueze leading the line for the Eagles, Shay we no go kee person like this...

It's our time folks, the next 5 years should be a memorable one for the supporters of the SE......


Abraham is a good player, one man here would not make me hate him, I wish him well in his career, to be honest I do not hate any Nigerian player, home or FB, I always wish all our brother well....

I wish he gets to play a couple of games for england tho, we all know the age of Harry Kane and rashford, and we also know he only gets in if they are injured or rested, but I pray the 9ja blood in him can help him get close to 20 caps Sha...

TheGoodJoe:


It is not that Osimhen was not good then. He just not given a run of games.

Icon4s:


No-no, Osimhen is a better player now compared to then. And he is still work in progress.

safarigirl:
Nigeria's laws do not supercede international laws, as regards nationality.

Anybody without a Nigerian passport, will not be regarded as a Nigerian in the international moo in community. You may even be born and bred in Nigeria, but you will be identified with the passport you possess on the international front. When Pius Adesanmi died in the fatal Ethiopian plane crash last year or so, he was listed as Canadian, because he had a Canadian passport. A certain actress, Hannah John-Kamen, has a Nigerian dad and Norwegian mum, but she is British.

At most, Tammy would be of Nigerian-origin, but as long as he has an English passport, he is English.

safarigirl:
in komekn's defence, he was talking of the "here and now"; in that moment, he wasn't talking long term

And to some extent, he wasn't wrong. After all, this is two years after; it took Victor at least a year after that post, to get his footing back.

It doesn't look hilarious, it looks concise.

TheGoodJoe:


Why was Osimhen not a good player then?

My comment I made then was about the flashes of brilliance I saw when he came on for Nigeria.

When Osimhen had a run of games at Charleroi, he delivered. Because a coach decided not to play Osimhen, did not mean he was not good. When he got a chance with the Olympics team, he delivered.

No one said Osimhen has not improved but he was a good player not given a run of games. Talk less of not making an English youth team which was a joke.

oloriooko:
Just imagine a snerio where Southgate refuses to cap Tammy
I wonder what Tammy will do
Come back to offer to play for 9ja or swallow the bitter pill and hope for England call up?
Anyway we can produce 10 Tammys here and we sincerely wish him a successful career with the britico

Icon4s:


I didn't say he wasn't good I only said 'he is a better player now'. And his not being given a run of games was because he was below in the pecking order. Or simply not good enough. This is an evolving player.

And the talk about not making an English Youth Team well you know our Southgate naa

Icon4s:


I wish same but don't be too quick. Football can be crazy at times. These two may even fizzle out and another duo may be the ones leading the attack. I have seen this happen over time. Some people almost killed me on this thread years back because I said same about Iheanacho.
Let's just be taking the games with them as they come.

TheGoodJoe:


Not given a run of games because Osimhen was below the pecking order over a legend like Mario Gomez does not mean he was not good. As soon as he had a run of games, he showed quality.

TheGoodJoe:


Not given a run of games because Osimhen was below the pecking order over a legend like Mario Gomez does not mean he was not good. As soon as he had a run of games, he showed quality.

komekn:


I have seen this phenomenon so often it's almost guaranteed for players to have dips in form.

We have seen players that clubs have paid £20 million plus ➕ within a few years completely dead. This is even more pronounced with youth players.

It takes a few seasons for a player to get consistency. And then to maintain top consistent performances another challenge.

A few years ago Benteke was ahead of Lukaku and Origi. He was bought by the so called improver of players Rogers and inherited by Klopp.

Today Benteke is a mere shadow of his former self. Meanwhile Origi who was considered surplus to requirements and ridiculed has become a mainstay in the team for Liverpool and celebrated.

The list is endless.

Icon4s:


Bros Osimhen was still evolving then. What did you expect from an 18/19 years old player? It is not an issue of not being given a run of games.

TheGoodJoe:


19-year-old Haaland is just starting. He has scored 17 goals in 10 club games, including four hat-tricks, and will look to add to that tally for Salzburg against Liverpool on Wednesday

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And he scored yesterday against Liverpool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOQ1sPIH7QE&app=desktop

Being on the bench does not mean the player is not good.

TheGoodJoe:


19-year-old Haaland is just starting. He has scored 17 goals in 10 club games, including four hat-tricks, and will look to add to that tally for Salzburg against Liverpool on Wednesday

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And he scored yesterday against Liverpool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOQ1sPIH7QE&app=desktop
Training,bench,playing,watching games are all part of a players development, there just have to be a good balance. A player may not be able to master what he learns on the training ground if he doesn’t get the chance to express himself on the field in an actual game.

Being on the bench does not mean the player is not good.

komekn:


My opinion at that time remains unequivocally the same.

Football is a very short term career and matters are not judged in the long term but the hear and now.

At that time he would have not made any top premier league academy. A player who was not getting any games in lowly Wolfsburg will turn up at Chelsea and or Arsenal and walk straight in very much doubt it.

The idea that a player is dead in one but becomes alive in another is a common phenomenon. It is not unique to Osimhen and it will not stop with him it is also vice versa. On fire alive in one club but dead in another.

That is why players must be very very wise and thoughtful about the club's the transfer too. Many a big money transfer has seen the death of players.

Look at how Gnabry has embarrassed Arsenal and made them to look foolish. But that's football my friend nobody really knows , ONLY GOD.

Icon4s:


Hope you saw Haaland at the U20 WC?
I don't want to start an argument on Osimhen vs Haaland.

But what I am pointing out to you is that Osimhen is a better player today compared to 2 years ago. And did not have the abilities he has now.

Icon4s:


Hope you saw Haaland at the U20 WC?
I don't want to start an argument on Osimhen vs Haaland.

But what I am pointing out to you is that Osimhen is a better player today compared to 2 years ago. And did not have the abilities he has now.

eazyjakes:

komekn:


My opinion at that time remains unequivocally the same.

Football is a very short term career and matters are not judged in the long term but the hear and now.

At that time he would have not made any top premier league academy. A player who was not getting any games in lowly Wolfsburg will turn up at Chelsea and or Arsenal and walk straight in very much doubt it.

The idea that a player is dead in one but becomes alive in another is a common phenomenon. It is not unique to Osimhen and it will not stop with him it is also vice versa. On fire alive in one club but dead in another.

That is why players must be very very wise and thoughtful about the club's the transfer too. Many a big money transfer has seen the death of players.

Look at how Gnabry has embarrassed Arsenal and made them to look foolish. But that's football my friend nobody really knows , ONLY GOD.