OpenYourEyes1:
I think people who are blinded by the World will read and not understand it.

Everything you need to know is hidden in the dream GOD gave to Enoch. The dream is very cryptic and precised. It tells everything that will take place from the time of Enoch to the end of the world.

Once you separate yourself from the world & follow Jesus Christ, the truth will flow easily. The filth and lies of this world is blocking the truth.

Reading and believing and you will understand.

MuttleyLaff:
You're a greater and/or bigger joke than I could ever be. You just wait, you'll soon see and find out. You would eat your words and tender profuse apology for talking out of hand like this

I have asked you to provide proof, beyond reasonable doubt and with chapters and verses, but you've woefully been unable to say and show where or how you made out that sons of God are or equates to angels

The book of Job, hasn't got anything in it calling sons of God angels.

2 Peter, never said anything about sons of God being angels, but rather it is talking about fables and people like you believing in and spreading rumours that angels had sex with human beings

The book(s) of Enoch, right from the first century has been known to fake, this is why Peter and Jude, even Paul, were talking against it in their individual letters. Fyi, there are at least three different versions of the Book of Enoch.

It is only a naïve person that will type such a comment like this.

It doesn't diminish the fact and truth about the extraction of whom the daughters of men are. Wickedness started from Cain.

The men in Genesis 6:1, refers to the combined lot of the sons of God and the sons of men, obviously encompasses the daughters of men and daughters of God

MuttleyLaff:


You're a greater and/or bigger joke than I could ever be. You just wait, you'll soon see and find out. You would eat your words and tender profuse apology for talking out of hand like this
I have asked you to provide proof, beyond reasonable doubt and with chapters and verses, but you've woefully been unable to say and show where or how you made out that sons of God are or equates to angels
The book of Job, hasn't got anything in it calling sons of God angels.
2 Peter, never said anything about sons of God being angels, but rather it is talking about fables and people like you believing in and spreading rumours that angels had sex with human beings
The book(s) of Enoch, right from the first century has been known to fake, this is why Peter and Jude, even Paul, were talking against it in their individual letters . Fyi, there are at least three different versions of the Book of Enoch.
It is only a naïve person that will type such a comment like this.
It doesn't diminish the fact and truth about the extraction of whom the daughters of men are. Wickedness started from Cain.
The men in Genesis 6:1, refers to the combined lot of the sons of God and the sons of men, obviously encompasses the daughters of men and daughters of God

OpenYourEyes1:


The TRUTH must be known!

OpenYourEyes1:
I think people who are blinded by the World will read and not understand it.

Everything you need to know is hidden in the dream GOD gave to Enoch. The dream is very cryptic and precised. It tells everything that will take place from the time of Enoch to the end of the world.

Once you separate yourself from the world & follow Jesus Christ, the truth will flow easily. The filth and lies of this world is blocking the truth.


Reading and believing and you will understand.

MuttleyLaff:
FYI, OpenYourEyes1, that Jude 1:14-15, is one where Jude was denouncing the Book of Enoch .

budaatum:

No he wasn't! He was denouncing those Enoch prophesied about and denounced!

MuttleyLaff:
If you really know what you are talking about and understand, contextually and all, what that verse is saying, please bring it on and lay it down, let's see what you come up with, hmmm?

budaatum:

You go first muttley. What you claim about Jude is the opposite of what Jude is claiming as can be seen by anyone who reads it.

Here is commentary on Jude 14-15

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum contextually what is that Jude letter all about, hmm?

budaatum:
Jude was warning about individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago who have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

budaatum:
He quotes from the Book of Enoch, the seventh from Adam who prophesied about them:
“See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

budaatum:
I have given evidence for Enoch in the commentary link. He is born in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5%3A4-20&version=NKJV]Genesis 5:4-20[/url] before the flood and referenced in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11%3A5&version=KJV]Hebrews 11:5[/url] afterwards as the sort of faith one should have long before Jude quotes him to justify his condemnation of those who even Jesus said were broods of vipers and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15&version=KJV]wolfs in sheeps clothing[/url] who give stones for bread and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-20&version=ESV]lead themselves and others astray[/url].

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23%3A13-39&version=NIV]Woe to them[/url], Christ said, as Enoch said before him and Jude here afterwards and in his time.

budaatum:
A mere read of the beginning of the book should enlighten you, perhaps.

budaatum:
BOOK OF ENOCH CHAPTER 1

I-V. Parable of Enoch on the Future Lot of the Wicked and the Righteous
I.
1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed.

budaatum:
Hola at me muttley, when you do the use your brain non-yadayada word diarrhea without the ad hominem version please. I refuse to insult my brain with that tripe!

MuttleyLaff:
You are behaving like an illiterate numbskull having difficulties reading to understand

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s3/images/EnochMuttleyLaff.jpg[/img]

budaatum, a mere read of the above and especially taking notice of the red underlines should enlighten you, perhaps

budaatum, please when discussing the genuineness of the Book of Enoch, please learn to quote from the Bible and reference the scripture directly, as opposed to quickly finding and taking solace in this accursed Book of Enoch

Also please stop this prooftexting bad habit you've taken a shine to and employed to use on this thread

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, please show anywhere in the bible, mind you, I am not talking of a source from the Book of Enoch, but that you please should show where in the scripture aka Bible, that Enoch is seventh from Adam. Thank you.

Once you have given that answer, we can go further in exposing the other holes just as Jude too did and with or in Jude 14

budaatum:
You are the one who thinks everything in the Bible is literally accurate muttley, and quibble over silly stuff like [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5%3A3-18&version=NIV]sixth or seventh[/url]. Do you do the same with the contradictions in the gospels I wonder or do you ignore those?

MuttleyLaff:
... You better not want to go down this route with me because if you did, I would drag you down places you'll becoming uncomfortable in, that you'll end up screaming for mercy and shouting blue murder

... I am no spring chicken. I have given you an opportunity to shine, by asking you to give me your best shot, out of all your, the seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions in the Bible, if it wont be explained to you. C'mon, bring it on, why the sudden cold feet, hmm?

... when you lay your crooked stick(s) down before me, I dont need to argue with you, I dont need to explain how crooked your stick is. All and the only thing, I need just to do, is lay a straight stick down by the side of yours, and wallah, the work is well done, your crooked stick, error and you will stand embarrassed and ashamed.

budaatum:
The issue is not however where Enoch stands from Adam but why Jude quoted him.

budaatum:
Enoch was before the flood so not much about him was known by Jude but he is correct in mentioning him regarding what he did and which I explained to you in my previous and which you fail woefully to comprehend just as you fail to understand Jude!

MuttleyLaff:


Jude is not mentioning the Enoch before the flood. Lol, Jude is not mentioning anything about either of the two Enochs who existed before the flood, but rather was talking about the star character featured in the Book of Enoch, whom the author self styled himself after and called Enoch.

budaatum:

Jude was warning about individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago who have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

budaatum:
I think you just talk for the fun of talking and think everyone has the time to waste on your yadayada!

budaatum:
So, you accept that Jude was refering to something in a book we generally call the Book of Enoch, of which a current best as is book I posted here and in which is written "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed", of which you can read up on its history here.

budaatum:
One simple question for you muttley. Just so we know you are using your brain today and are capable of intelligent discourse

budaatum:
What was Jude saying, and is it what I said below or not?

MuttleyLaff:
The others, the Book of Enoch braggers shy away, only you, show you've got balls, to head on come, and want to discuss the genuineness or not, of the Book of Enoch. Well done.

[s]I take back all the past day or two spat I've had with you. Forgive me, if you've felt offended.[/s]

¹And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth.
². And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying up to the gates of heaven.
³ And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High.
⁴. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings,〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages!
⁵. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee.
⁶. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
⁷. And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
⁸. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins.
⁹. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.
¹⁰. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth.
¹¹. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these
- Book of Enoch 9:1-11

². And behold, the names of those Angels: – The first of them is Semjaza, and the second Artaqifa, and the third Armen, and the fourth Kokabiel, and the fifth Turiel, and the sixth Ramiel, and the seventh Daniel, and the eighth Nuqael, and the ninth Baraqiel, and the tenth Azazel, and the eleventh Armaros, the twelfth Batriel, the thirteenth Basasael, the fourteenth Ananel, the fifteenth Turiel, the sixteenth Samsiel, the seventeenth Yetarel, the eighteenth Tumiel, the nineteenth Turiel, the twentieth Rumiel, the twenty-first Azazel.
³. And these are the chiefs of their Angels, and the names of the leaders of hundreds, and their leaders of fifties, and their leaders of tens.
⁴. The name of the first is Yequn; this is the one who led astray all the children of the Holy Angels, and he brought them down onto the dry ground, and led them astray through the daughters of men.
⁵. And the name of the second is Asbeel; this one suggested an evil plan to the children of the Holy Angels, and led them astray, so that they corrupted their bodies with the daughters of men.
⁶. And the name of the third is Gadreel; this is the one that showed all the deadly blows to the sons of men. And he led astray Eve. And he showed the weapons of death to the children of men, the shield and the breastplate, and the sword for slaughter, and all the weapons of death to the sons of men.
⁷. And from his hand they have gone out against those who dwell the dry ground from that time and forever and ever.
⁸. And the name of the fourth is Penemue; this one showed the sons of men the bitter and the sweet and showed them all the secrets of their wisdom.
⁹. He taught men the art of writing with ink and paper, and through this many have gone astray, from eternity to eternity, and to this day.
¹⁰. For men were not created for this, that they should confirm their faith like this, with pen and ink.
- Book of Enoch 69:2-10