When are you going to tell us how the SE and Nigeria since they've bee part of FG since the beginning of Nigeria till today.

plaindealer:
When are you going to tell us how the SE and Nigeria since they've bee part of FG since the beginning of Nigeria till today.

What about the south east? I don't get you.

This is so true. And not until the rest of Nigeria recognizes this truth and find a way to deal with it will Nigeria move forward!

Aderr:
What about the south east? I don't get you.

When are you going to tell us how the SE underdevelop the SE and Nigeria since they've bee part of FG since the beginning of Nigeria till today.

ItsMeAboki:


Absolute stupidity and bigotry at best; as if the alleged illiteracy in the north is preventing southerners from getting jobs or the poverty taking food off their table and whether leaders from a particular area are expected to develop their home regions at the expense of others - how illogical and narrow minded.

it's not a question of how north's backwardness is preventing south's development, Its a question of how north's backwardnes is causing underdevelopment to d country as a whole.

PoliticalWitch:
I used to beleive in all this 'North underdeveloped Nigeria' ish...until I actually started reading why developing naitons are developing, and developed nations are developed.

The problem with Nigeria is , when we got independent, our economy was based on one model...exporting raw materials to the West, and using the income to import stuff. And it is that economic model we have been using, and which we have not made any effort to change...instead we argue about how to share the limited money using terms like 'resource control', 'it is our oil', etc.

Another problem is that we exercise price controls over sectors like power and petroleum. In the name of subsidy we throw away 2 trillion naira per annum. We also heavily subsidse power...and this leads to the stifling of growth in the power and oil sector....who is going to come and invest in a sector where prices are controlled all the time.

Then what is the no1 business model in the North and South? Importing stuff and selling it. This depletes our already scarce forex revenues, and makes the economy worse.

Then there is this idea that manufacturing is rubbish. We all like to praise Innoson and Dangote...yet we don't want to be like them. We want to go into business importing stuff, and selling so that we can have a fat bank account and a house filled with imported stuff.

So what can we do to develop. Well....stop subsides in the oil and power sector. Yes, prices for power and oil will shoot up, yes millions will suffer...but investment will flow in, and jobs will be created. And production will icnrease...and we would eventually become a manufacturing society.

And no, I am not defending Buhari. Buhari self has refused to stop price controls, his broder controls//closure is just treating symptoms without treating the disease, his security polices are bad...and let's be frank, he has refused to remove subsides because politics. And let's be frank, if Southerners take over....the same thing is going to happen. (GEJ privatised power...and then made things diffiuclt for the DISCOS and GENCOS by bringing in price controls.....something that many Nigerians hail him for...but won't tolerate if the government extended the same favour to their own buisnesses.).

Honestly, the reason why Nigeria is not developed is because Nigerians want a free lunch. There is no such thing as a free lunch. And Peter Obi was right...we have to be like China if we want to grow....together or separate.

Do you honestly believe or not that if the north pulled itself up to half the level of the South, Nigeria would move up on many developmental indexes?

obaaderemi:
Do you honestly believe or not that if the north pulled itself up to half the level of the South, Nigeria would move up on many developmental indexes?

You missed my point.

The problem with Nigeria is that our economic model is 'Export raw materials, import finished goods'....which isn't a good model...and does not earn us enough money, even if we brought in agriculture.(Using Ghana as an example, Ghana earned 2 billion diollars from cocoa annually. One chocolate company based in the UK made products worth 17billion dolalrs from part of that cocoa same year).

(Add the fact that we don't really control the prices of oil, cocoa, palm oil, groundnut, etc...)

Plus, the South isn't really developed as we think it is. It only appears rich because we have more educated people...but that's it. We are just as broke as the North.(Most Southern states don't generate IGR to survivie on on a monthly basis...plus, apart from Ogun, Anambra and Lagos, most states don't have an industrial base at all)

We need to move away from exporting oil, exporting raw materials, and becoming industrial. Otherwise, we would jsut be broke as broke can be.

And then there is subsidy. Many Nigerians won't like it if goverment forces them to sell their goods and services below profit . Yet we agree for the same thing to happen in the power and petrol sector...which is why, Dangote aside, we don't have investment in those sectors...and as a result don't have enough energy to improve economic development( Subsidy on fuel is harming our economy...but removing it is poltically expensive).

sapele914:
Absolute rubbish from a Peasant mindset, isn’t the richest black person on earth from Northern Nigeria?

how does a richest black man on earth that comes from north change the poverty level of northerners some times people reason with their anus, let Dangote stop getting the favorite he enjoy from the north control federal govt and let him compete with other Nigerians on a neutral ground you can judge then, distribute wealth not concentrating it in one hands.

Orjioorji:
how does a richest black man on earth that comes from north change the poverty level of northerners some times people reason with their anus, let Dangote stop getting the favorite he enjoy from the north control federal govt and let him compete with other Nigerians on a neutral ground you can judge then, distribute wealth not concentrating it in one hands.

Dangote is not necessarily being favored

1. Cement: Obasanjo gave three licences....Dangote, Ibeto (South East) and Lafarge. Then there is BUA, and others. Lafarge and BUA are doing well. Ibeto 'messed up' (long story...there is a thread here on Nairaland as to why Ibeto did not do well..and it has nothing to do with the North).

Dangote is doing well because 1) He got the right partners 2)He uses his money well.

2.Innoson is doing better than all the other domestic car manufacturers...including one Northern one.

3.Then Dangote's refinery...the guy is taking a risk. Subsidy means he would be losing at least N20 per liter of fuel he pumps out of that his refienry when he comes on stream soon. He took a lot of loans (which GEJ and Buhari's goverments in turn guaranteed). Plus there are several other licensed refienries...including at least two Southerners who will soon come on stream. Thing is, the other refineries are not as big in scope as Dangote.Add the fact that most of those licensed are not starting work...because fuel subsidy means they would operate at a loss (it costs at least N165 to refine one liter of fuel in Nigeria....subsidy means they would sell at N137 OR LOWER).

PoliticalWitch:


You missed my point.

The problem with Nigeria is that our economic model is 'Export raw materials, import finished goods'....which isn't a good model...and does not earn us enough money, even if we brought in agriculture.(Using Ghana as an example, Ghana earned 2 billion diollars from cocoa annually. One chocolate company based in the UK made products worth 17billion dolalrs from part of that cocoa same year).

(Add the fact that we don't really control the prices of oil, cocoa, palm oil, groundnut, etc...)

Plus, the South isn't really developed as we think it is. It only appears rich because we have more educated people...but that's it. We are just as broke as the North.(Most Southern states don't generate IGR to survivie on on a monthly basis...plus, apart from Ogun, Anambra and Lagos, most states don't have an industrial base at all)

We need to move away from exporting oil, exporting raw materials, and becoming industrial. Otherwise, we would jsut be broke as broke can be.

And then there is subsidy. Many Nigerians won't like it if goverment forces them to sell their goods and services below profit . Yet we agree for the same thing to happen in the power and petrol sector...which is why, Dangote aside, we don't have investment in those sectors...and as a result don't have enough energy to improve economic development( Subsidy on fuel is harming our economy...but removing it is poltically expensive).

I got your point quite alright. Now, imagine that political power was in the hands of southerners since independence instead of northerners, I am sure the country wouldn't be as poor as it is today. Compare the acumen of a leader such as Awolowo with a Ahmadu Bello. Which of the two ran a more prosperous and responsive system which could engender development? What you see in Nigeria today is a fallout of poor leadership of which the north is more culpable. Everything in Nigeria is central. Power generation, railway, aviation, education, finance, security, etc. Who determines who heads these sectors? It's the north.
Then like the op said: take a look at developmental indexes and see. Nonentities like Cameroon, Kenya ,Ghana, and many more that used to look up to Nigeria are now on top in terms of these indexes. Courtesy the north, we do poorly in literacy rates,poverty rates,child mortality and others. And what's worse, the north doesn't seem to care! The only thing people like Buhari and the others clearly care about is power in the hands of the north. Yet their kids,roam the street and contribute to the menace of terrorism which has made Nigeria one of the countries with the largest population of displaced people!

obaaderemi:
I got your point quite alright. Now, imagine that political power was in the hands of southerners since independence instead of northerners, I am sure the country wouldn't be as poor as it is today. Compare the acumen of a leader such as Awolowo with a Ahmadu Bello. Which of the two ran a more prosperous and responsive system which could engender development? What you see in Nigeria today is a fallout of poor leadership of which the north is more culpable. Everything in Nigeria is central. Power generation, railway, aviation, education, finance, security, etc. Who determines who heads these sectors? It's the north.
Then like the op said: take a look at developmental indexes and see. Nonentities like Cameroon, Kenya ,Ghana, and many more that used to look up to Nigeria are now on top in terms of these indexes. Courtesy the north, we do poorly in literacy rates,poverty rates,child mortality and others. And what's worse, the north doesn't seem to care! The only thing people like Buhari and the others clearly care about is power in the hands of the north. Yet their kids,roam the street and contribute to the menace of terrorism which has made Nigeria one of the countries with the largest population of displaced people!

Nothing would have changed with a Southerner in charge.

Southerners like Awolowo ran an economy based on the revenues from cocoa. Azikiwe and company the same thing (Biafra only went into producign weapons when they were prevented from accesing oil revenues by Nigeria).

That's why we need to change our mindset.

sapele914:
Absolute rubbish from a Peasant mindset, isn’t the richest black person on earth from Northern Nigeria?

People like you supposed to be barned from being a citizen of this country for possesing too low IQ if Nigeria is to developed. No country that majority of it citizen have low IQ developed

ItsMeAboki:


Absolute stupidity and bigotry at best; as if the alleged illiteracy in the north is preventing southerners from getting jobs or the poverty taking food off their table and whether leaders from a particular area are expected to develop their home regions at the expense of others - how illogical and narrow minded.

A typical low IQ of an impoverished northern (victim) citizen

Nigeria2040:


A typical low IQ of an impoverished northern (victim) citizen

So says a baby factory product - indeed a law should be passed to stop some ppl from having children; due to the idiotic bastards they produce.

PoliticalWitch:


Nothing would have changed with a Southerner in charge.

Southerners like Awolowo ran an economy based on the revenues from cocoa. Azikiwe and company the same thing (Biafra only went into producign weapons when they were prevented from accesing oil revenues by Nigeria).

That's why we need to change our mindset.

Then explain why the north is far poorer than the south. It is not about a southerner being in charge at the moment. It is about the south having the political power that the north has since independence. A lot would be different.

obaaderemi:
Then explain why the north is far poorer than the south. It is not about a southerner being in charge at the moment. It is about the south having the political power that the north has since independence. A lot would be different.

I think their conservative culture and lack of education is d bane of their problem.

I don't really subscribe to "political power being in a particular region" will make Nigeria better.

Any visionary leader will make Nigeria better irrespective of where he/she comes from. All these our current crop of leaders are just there for personal reasons.... including those greedy senators, they're noy there to serve.

ItsMeAboki:


So says a baby factory product - indeed a law should be passed to stop some ppl from having children; due to the idiotic bastards they produce.

that law is needed in the north most.

theenchanter:
that law is needed in the north most.

The north eschews from the immorality of producing Bastards (a.k.a children born out of wedlock) in numerous baby factories responsible for the increasing numbers of hateful dysfunctional societal misfits that need to be curtailed.

theenchanter:
I think their conservative culture and lack of education is d bane of their problem.

I don't really subscribe to "political power being in a particular region" will make Nigeria better.

Any visionary leader will make Nigeria better irrespective of where he/she comes from. All these our current crop of leaders are just there for personal reasons.... including those greedy senators, they're noy there to serve.

Thanks. So how come they remain backward educationally after all these centuries? I will tell you,Sir. It's a deliberate attempt by the ruling class in the north. As far back as the 30s, the emir of Kano's son was a graduate of one of England's top universities. The North's strongmen kept the masses backward. So what do you expect would happen to the whole country when these same strong men from the north has held power since 1960? The result is what you see today.It's why nonentities like Ghana and Kenya can throw potshots at Nigeria. If the power had been concentrated in the more progressive and educated south since independence, Nigeria's case can never be this sad. This is not to say the southern politicians are saints and wise but at least the level of competence is far higher than the North's. Compare Oyo and kano for example.

obaaderemi:
Thanks. So how come they remain backward educationally after all these centuries? I will tell you,Sir. It's a deliberate attempt by the ruling class in the north. As far back as the 30s, the emir of Kano's son was a graduate of one of England's top universities. The North's strongmen kept the masses backward. So what do you expect would happen to the whole country when these same strong men from the north has held power since 1960? The result is what you see today.It's why nonentities like Ghana and Kenya can throw potshots at Nigeria. If the power had been concentrated in the more progressive and educated south since independence, Nigeria's case can never be this sad. This is not to say the southern politicians are saints and wise but at least the level of competence is far higher than the North's. Compare Oyo and kano for example.

religion is the singular thing that made them backward educationally... same thing that affected many islamic nations for ages, They just prefer islamic education to western education.. till 2002, saudi arabia controlled girl child education to religious studies alone while children of elite are well educated irrepective of gender ( such hypocrisy ),Though its not d same anymore.

I wouldn't say northern leaders deliberately kept it's masses backward too, it's just islamic way of life that restricted many things up till today.. child marriage is still prevalent in many islamic countries around d world and not nigeria alone BUT i'll agree that d northern leaders are manipulating their masses due to their crude mind.

Generally speaking... southern leaders are competent compared to the northern leaders.

sapele914:
Absolute rubbish from a Peasant mindset, isn’t the richest black person on earth from Northern Nigeria?

Does that put food on the table of almajiris?

It is amazing how some of us see the North as the originator of all of Nigeria's problems while whatever is going on in this country is simply the resultant effect of lack of leadership and patriotism from each and every part/region of this country!

Each and every one of us should blame his regional leaders. Has the North forced any person at gun point to join in under-developping Nigeria? The leaders from other regions mortgaged and are still mortgaging the future of their unborn generation because of greed!
Your enemies are not northerners but rather your leadership! The North does not pick your leaders for you.
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Our common enemies are our local leaders and not the North. If the rest of the regions is so smart and knows what the problems are, how come they are still under the stupid/uneducated northerners?

For one region to keep a whole country hostage for 59 years, it shows how smart that region is.

So I implore all of the Nairaland slayers of the North to leave it alone and get involved in their local politics to help move their regions forward!!!!

plaindealer:


When are you going to tell us how the SE underdevelop the SE and Nigeria since they've bee part of FG since the beginning of Nigeria till today.

The igbos long before the independence of Nigeria have contributed a lot to the good of Nigeria. They have bad eggs like every other tribe but by and large their contribution to the development of Nigeria can not be waved aside. They can't be labelled as leaches like the north is.

YourArewaSister:
It is amazing how some of us see the North as the originator of all of Nigeria's problems while whatever is going on in this country is simply the resultant effect of lack of leadership and patriotism from each and every part/region of this country!

No one sees the north as the originator of all of Nigeria's problems. But then the truth remains that the north has contributed more to the underdevelopment of Nigeria more than any other region. Which region has the highest number of illiterates? Which region has the highest number of out of school kids? Which region has the highest number of poor people? Which region has the highest number of people dying at childbirth and childhood? Which region is more wracked by violence and killings than any other region? Which region has the highest number of displaced people? North! North! North! All of these negativities cast a bad light on Nigeria as a whole and not the north alone.

YourArewaSister:

Each and every one of us should blame his regional leaders. Has the North forced any person at gun point to join in under-developping Nigeria? The leaders from other regions mortgaged and are still mortgaging the future of their unborn generation because of greed!
Your enemies are not northerners but rather your leadership! The North does not pick your leaders for you.

Of course all our leaders are bad nation wide but then the level of incompetence in leadership in the north make others look like angels. The north does not pick leaders in other regions but the north has turned itself to the crippled child that the other regions have to bear. I wonder,why you northerners are not ashamed of this little fact. This is the reason why the north is at the bottom of all developmental indexes in Nigeria.

YourArewaSister:

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Our common enemies are our local leaders and not the North. If the rest of the regions is so smart and knows what the problems are, how come they are still under the stupid/uneducated northerners?

For one region to keep a whole country hostage for 59 years, it shows how smart that region is.

If the north were smart it wouldn't be the cesspit of backwardness, disease, poverty and illiteracy that it has become. The north is where it is politically all thanks to the British.

Yes,our common enemies are our regional leaders but despite the fact that all our regional leaders are thieves, at least the other regions have at least forged a semblance of commonsense in the administration of their regions which has given their people living standards above what the north has. The low standard of living in the north has contributed seriously to the menace of terrorism which is now no longer just a northern problem but a national problem! I wonder why some of you can not see this obvious fact!

YourArewaSister:

So I implore all of the Nairaland slayers of the North to leave it alone and get involved in their local politics to help move their regions forward!!!!

We are,already involved in our local politics and that's why we are at least ahead of northerners in terms of living standards. But then the truth will always be spoken. For Nigeria to achieve progress as a country, then all its regions have to play a progressive part. Terrorism, crass poverty and illiteracy are hardly progressive parts, and sadly these negativities the north is known for do not seem to bother you people. This is exactly how you continue to underdevelop Nigeria. Your embrace of backwardness.

obaaderemi:
Then explain why the north is far poorer than the south. It is not about a southerner being in charge at the moment. It is about the south having the political power that the north has since independence. A lot would be different.

Of course Nigeria wouldn't have been at this level. That's the fact.