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Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:04pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
malvisguy212:Seriously?! Please answer my question first. |
Re: Who Created God? by malvisguy212: 8:07pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
tintingz:I am serious. I may charting with a ghosts , you know! |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:14pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Quit the straws. Please answer my question, how did you know about your God? |
Re: Who Created God? by budaatum: 9:09pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:No one is asking you to say you don't know what you know. But I can't understand why you would ask those who say they don't know to know or believe what they've told you they don't know nor have evidence for, and asking people to fill their ignorance with a belief is just silly. If you can't provide evidence for "another dimension", there's absolutely no point claiming one exists, but if you do, then someone else can equally claim multiple dimensions and you should not be arguing against it unless you have some motive you need to justify or evidence to prove they don't exist, but such proof would likely invalidate the existence of your one dimension too so I can't say I see the gain. It is one thing disputing scientific knowledge and quite another to try using science to prove the existence of God. You'd have a problem where the two conflict and might find yourself arguing for a 6000 year flat earth, not to justify God's existence, as you might think or intend, but to validate your own belief in Scripture. Have you considered that perhaps you are blessed with an ability to know that is lacking in others? If you did, I think you might be tempted to say, "thank you Lord that I am not like that atheist over there", though just being grateful for an ability you have been given without the hubris should suffice. God is a Spirit, I am told, so one can't expect those who are spiritually blind to see what the spiritually unblind see, and asking them to is like telling blind people to believe they see when you have not first cured their blindness, or telling people to pay you their tithes so they can be blessed. It might work with those who know no better but one would have to really wonder what your gain is. I got to add that I often find the Christian claim to know to be false, especially those who take their knowing from Scripture. I'm sure you'd tell me how ignorant I am if I claim I get my history of Nigeria from Scripture. And some will say the same if one claims to get ones science from Scripture. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:58pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Between 500 and 450 BC Anaxagoras determined the true cause of solar and lunar eclipses, and based on the shadow this earth cast on the moon, a round shape was the correct answer. 150 years later Eratosthenes calculated the diameter of the earth with great accuracy. Theists never had to justify why or how God existed until Atheists like you came around screaming " we have seen no Scientific and Emperical proof of God!"Of all the wild, crazy comments you've made on this thread, this one surely takes the cake. Really? Do you really expect you can go about making unevidenced extraordinary claims and not get called out for it? Lmao... Bruh you're going insane ![]() |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 5:40am On Oct 08, 2019 |
budaatum:Your conclusion will be like saying: let everyone believe what he wants. I like the example of "knowing ones mum"! I know my mum But I wasn't learned to know anything about her when I was born. I do not have any DNA evidence to back my knowledge on We don't even look too much alike. Yet, she's my mum and I know her Now, an atheist come to say "we can't know our mums " because there is no evidence that our mum is such. Logicaly, it might be true but "I know my mum!" And it's a fact that I cannot throw away to join the band wagons of those who are ready to kill their supposed mother. |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 5:43am On Oct 08, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA / SHADEYINKA2 1. People figured out the earth was not flat long before the circumnavigation of the earth occured, and some still deny it till today. I've even seen flat-earthers on Nairaland! 2. Theists always had to justify their god against other religions ("atheists" ![]() 3. Christopher Columbus did not prove the earth was round. Which primary school did you go to? 4. Do you know what the burden of proof is? Would you really not demand the flat-earthers prove their position? So... you would just accept them as being correct, right? Do you believe the earth is flat? Serious question 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 5:55am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:I haven't asserted that that outside the universe is God! I have only asserted that 1. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause 2. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D These too you seem to deny because in your head anytime you see these you know it's pointing at the God you'll rather have buried forever. Why is it difficult to accept that the two points above is TRUE, it is only after that that one can examine the nature of this mysterious "Thing". It's one thing to keep one's mind open to other possibilities since we don't claim to know, it's another to shut out the possibility while claiming "I don't know". I don't know if "2+3=5" but the answer cannot be "5!". The first stance is ok, (not knowing as we can't know everything) but the second knowing is a statement of brute obstinacy! God is simply a NOUN to "describe" without describing the Uncaused First Cause as the origin of everything. After this point, what ever one knows about God is personal and subjective |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 6:28am On Oct 08, 2019 |
TheArranger:1. You are Correct 2. Atheists desbelieve in God very much like those who still claim the earth is flat (a choice they make after seeing all the evidence of pictures, horizon, reason etc). The only thing that may satisfy them is to take them in a space ship around the earth. 3. My error. I apologize. It was a myth built around Columbus as such. BTW, I went to One Alalubosa LSMB school...no wonder LOL! Thanks for the correction. 4. There isn't any need to prove that the earth is round or flat. Evidence abound for such now! The burden of proof belong to whoever is challenging the status quo! Even in the court of law, the burden of proof belong to the person who is laying an accusation (a challenge). Biodun Fatoyinbos case comes to mind. The default is that Biodun is an MOG and therefore is innocent of any known crime. The challenge is from Busola: "Biodun is a rapist!" therefore she should have to prove her challenge. It would be silly for Buhari to come out to defend a case of $230 million scam for which no one has accused him yet of! He is innocent until someone can lay a challenge. The burden of proof will now be on the challenger. Atheists are the ones challenging the status quo, therefore it is logical that they present their proof. It is stupidity to challenge a "defacto" and then say the burden of proof belong to him who was accused. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 6:32am On Oct 08, 2019 |
TheArranger:I've corrected my earlier post. It didn't take circumnavigation of the earth to prove the earth was round. The Arabs knew this a long time before the Europeans. As per burden of proof! shadeyinka2: |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 6:53am On Oct 08, 2019 |
budaatum:You are correct in this respect; God is a Spirit, I am told, so one can't expect those who are spiritually blind to see what the spiritually unblind see, and asking them to is like telling blind people to believe they see when you have not first cured their blindness, or telling people to pay you their tithes so they can be blessed I wasn't even proving God: that is an impossibility. All I was doing was to show logicaly and Scientifically that 1. There is something unknown outside our universe 2. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause 3. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D 4. What ever that thing is, it is a NOUN...a description. Every denial of we don't know doesn't invalidate the above. The acceptance of these is what leads to the finding out the nature of such a "mysterious thing". Is it a Force Field? Is it a Thing or a Being? Is it Conscious or Unconscious? It is not automatic to insert God as that "Thing". No way! But it is important as a first step coming from a logical and Scientific position in finding out if another dimension is superimposed on our reality. Like I said: it is contradictory to say "we don't know" and yet we also claim "we know"! |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 6:55am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:It's a question! No! |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 6:56am On Oct 08, 2019 |
SHADEYINKA / SHADEYINKA2 Unlike the round earth, your god has approximately zero conclusive evidence for its existence. Your endless word games on this thread is proof of that How many times have we told you that a first cause argument does not (particularly) demonstrate a god? Can you count that high? How many more times do we need to tell you? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 7:05am On Oct 08, 2019 |
malvisguy212:Quoting You: This satanic deception appeals strongly to atheists as it bolsters two of their desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy being free to do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate accountability,there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please. The human conscience can be killed dead! Atheism is a choice to be Blind while hoping to avoid the consequence of having a sight. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 7:12am On Oct 08, 2019 |
TheArranger:You think I am demonstrating God!? It's impossible. For your education, let me tell you what I'm showing you again. Your bias is filling in God whenever you see that the end conclusion might lead to Him. All I was doing was to show logicaly and Scientifically that 1. There is something unknown outside our universe 2. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause 3. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D 4. What ever that thing is, it is a NOUN...a description. Every denial of "we don't know ..!" doesn't invalidate the above. The acceptance of these is what then could lead to the finding out the nature of such a "mysterious thing". Is it a Force Field? Is it a Thing or a Being? Is it Conscious or Unconscious? It is not automatic to insert God as that "Thing". No way! But it is important as a first step coming from a logical and Scientific position in finding out if another dimension is superimposed on our reality. Like I said: it is contradictory to say "we don't know" and yet we also claim "we know"! Negate any of the four assertions above if you can? |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:26am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Well then, that settles it! If honestly and without any ulterior motives, you're only trying to suggest a source, that's fine. The problem arises when people conclude that it must be a god. Well, maybe it is a god. Afterall, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has its own religion. If you dismiss the FSM as a petty parody or rebuttal to creationism, then i'm sure there are countless other creator "gods" that have been proposed in the past. If something is impossible to demonstrate, it remains a claim and not a fact. |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 7:54am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Why? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 7:56am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:Spiritual snakes could swallow spiritual money. Spiritual snakes should not swallow Physical money! |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 7:59am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2: Then why did you made this statement below? I hate a situation where an atheist is willing to hide under "we don't know what is outside our universe" AND yet still come out to assert that " whatever is outside the universe CANNOT be God"![ If you don't know, how do you then know? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:04am On Oct 08, 2019 |
TheArranger:I am suggesting a SOURCE! The next question would then be: Is this source just a mysterious Force-Field? Is this Source a Thing or a Being? Is this Source Conscious or Not? Etc. It is your conclusion after this that determines of this Source fit into the definition of a "Noun" called God! But the problem is, when one Denies the Source just because of the possibility of the Source becoming God. |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:04am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:So your reason is this. Do you then believe a spiritual being can create a physical world? |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:21am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:LOL. Further proof that shadeyinka's thesis is truly DOA (Dead On Arrival) ![]() 1> It is not a deductive logical argument, and non have ever been and likely never will be made. 2> It tries to use physics that it clearly doesn't understand. 3> There are perfectly valid models of infinite universes, some using a reversal of the arrow of time etc 4> It cannot answer WHAT the first action was, WHO did it and HOW it was taken, so that we can objectively and empirically determine if it's true or accurate 5> It ALWAYS postulates an entity that contradicts and requires the suspension of physical and natural laws Plus, shadeyinka's stubborness and dishonesty just makes it 10x worse. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:21am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:It's easy! I know without an iota of doubt that the spiritual realm and God exist (my subjective experience). However, my knowledge (even though true) doesn't change the fact that many (especially Atheists) do not have the same experience. It is impossible for me to deny what I know. In other words, I know what is outside the universe as God! Now, Atheists claim "they do not know what is outside the universe." However they contradict the statement by saying that "whatever is outside the universe cannot be God!" This contradiction is what I'm against. I have not tried to prove that God is outside the universe (even though I know you this is true), I have only tried to show that: 1. There is something unknown outside our universe 2. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause 3. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D 4. What ever that thing is, it is a NOUN...a description. Only after an unbiased person accept this reality can he move on to accertain if 1. The SOURCE is a mysterious Force/Energy Field 2. The SOURCE is a THING or a BEING 3. The SOURCE is CONSCIOUS or UNCONSCIOUS The answer to the last three questions is what determine if the SOURCE fit the definition of the NOUN "God". Denial of the source is unreasonable (my submission)! |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:31am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz: I haven't insinuated that the spiritual cannot influence the physical. I have only said that a spiritual snake should not swallow Physical money. You don't have to believe this explanation below: |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:32am On Oct 08, 2019 |
budaatum:I guarantee you, buda, anyone that can prove a cause or an eternal universe, either way, is going to win a Nobel Prize. Cc. TheArranger 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:34am On Oct 08, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:It seems tintinz is 10 times more reasonable than you. |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 8:44am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:There is no denial of any source. Just uncertainty. Also, the bolded is just pure unnecessary strawman fallacy. You're better than that. And it's starting to look like your arguments are getting poorer and poorer each passing page. Smh |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 8:54am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:Bwahahahahah!! Ee dey pain am. And who's going to try and give me a lecture on "reasoning"? You? Of all people? What a fruit cake ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:54am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2:So it's in your fact that many Atheists has never experienced spiritual realm? In other words, I know what is outside the universe as God!Why must it be call God? Now, Atheists claim "they do not know what is outside the universe." However they contradict the statement by saying that "whatever is outside the universe cannot be God!" This contradiction is what I'm against.I don't think Atheists make this claim and even if they make such claim they are mostly talking about the anthropomorphic personal God. I have not tried to prove that God is outside the universe (even though I know you this is true), I have only tried to show that: Are these your claim evidential or just assumptions? |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:59am On Oct 08, 2019 |
shadeyinka2: You assume the spiritual snake is holy? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 9:22am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:That's a stupid question! |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka2: 9:30am On Oct 08, 2019 |
tintingz:One cannot deny an experience! If the SOURCE fit the description of God, why not! If the Source doesn't fit the description of God then it's just a mysterious Force or Energy Field. God is a TITLE for the SOURCE tintingz:Most Atheists reject both the personal God and the impersonal God. For the first rule of Atheism is to Desbelieve in any god. Atheism is never selective of the believe in god's. tintingz:It's easy to check it out: just negate each as untrue 1. There is something unknown outside our universe 2. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause (infinite regress of cause and effect is Logical and Scientifically impossible) 3. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D 4. What ever that thing is, it is a NOUN...a description |
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