XxSabrinaxX:

Bwahahahahah!! Ee dey pain am. And who's going to try and give me a lecture on "reasoning"? You? Of all people? What a fruit cake . Please don't make me laugh. Your opinions of me, of anything in fact, are irrelevant. You're virtually beneath my notice

TheArranger:

There is no denial of any source. Just uncertainty. Also, the bolded is just pure unnecessary strawman fallacy. You're better than that. And it's starting to look like your arguments are getting poorer and poorer each passing page. Smh

But the problem is, when one Denies the Source just because of the possibility of the Source becoming God.

shadeyinka2:
What meaningful thing have you said now!?

shadeyinka2:

There is no uncertainty about the source!
The uncertainty is about the nature of the Source.

Is the Source a Being or a Thing?

What you call a fallacy is not at all!

The impossibility of infinite regression of cause and effect necessarily lead to a Source.


The Source needn't be God, but when you reject the possibility of the Source which is mysterious and Uncaused, there is a problem

XxSabrinaxX:

That your opinions are irrelevant.

TheArranger:

But you have not conclusively proven that infinite regress is impossible

shadeyinka2:

Quoting You:
This satanic deception appeals strongly to
atheists as it bolsters two of their desired
delusions:
1) absolute autonomy being free to
do as they please, and
2) the lack of ultimate
accountability,there are no eternal
consequences for doing as they please.
The human conscience can be killed dead!
Atheism is a choice to be Blind while hoping to avoid the consequence of having a sight.

XxSabrinaxX:

That your opinions are irrelevant.

shadeyinka2:

Then show the tiniest proof that infinite regress of cause and effect is possible!

I've used logic, thermodynamics , entropy etc

shadeyinka2:

To you!
I already know that!
How can opinions be meaningful to "a wall"!?

malvisguy212:
and your opinion doesn't change the Truth that there is God. except you have traveled to our solar system and invent a new theory that can explained the mystery of the univers.

TheArranger:

This is not my position
1. Strawman fallacy
2. False dichotomy fallacy


How do you know any of these applies outside the universe?

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Please refresh my memory sir. I seem to have forgotten where I mentioned you.

shadeyinka2:

Use logic bro!
Can the cause of an effect, produce a cause leading to a cause leading to a cause.... leading can proceed indefinitely?

shadeyinka2:


Now, an atheist come to say "we can't know our mums " because there is no evidence that our mum is such.

TheArranger:

You have not answered the question.

Logic is by and large a human concept. Our universe is under no obligation to make meaning to us. On what grounds do you make your claims? Are you to determine the process of everything? Do things need to make sense to you to be true? To be blunt with you, the only thing your absolute ramblings have succeeded in doing is convince us you are a conceited, arrogant and determined liar.

I'm going to ask again. This is your second attempt: How do you know that concepts like logic, thermodynamics & entropy apply outside our universe? How do you absolutely conclude to know what is impossible or not in a wide range of existence that probably goes beyond our universe and possibly our physical dimension?

shadeyinka2:

Typical of Atheists on Nairaland.
Too predictable!
You never fail to behave as you are taught!

Stay well!

TheArranger:

Do you have an answer or not?

shadeyinka2:

Uso regic fle!
Caxan zo caxauso eb up obbond, pleduco pit caxauso roaxadick te caxauso roaxadick te pit caxauso... roaxadick caxan plecoow dictobinitorupp?

Dib zolo dis up obbond, zolo vuch fo pit caxauso. Dib zolo dis caxauso, dit wirr pleduco up obbond withuk pit caxauso. Zolo axalo caxausos pi obbonds.

Jogaxato zo regic fobelo cencrudick.

Ovon withuk zo raxaws eb naxatulo wixysics pi stomichlupp, regici ox zolo vuch fo pit Bilch Caxauso.!

shadeyinka2:



Like I said: it is contradictory to say "we don't know" and yet we also claim "we know".

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shadeyinka2:

That's a stupid question!

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shadeyinka2:

One cannot deny an experience!
If the SOURCE fit the description of God, why not!
If the Source doesn't fit the description of God then it's just a mysterious Force or Energy Field.

God is a TITLE for the SOURCE

Most Atheists reject both the personal God and the impersonal God. For the first rule of Atheism is to Desbelieve in any god. Atheism is never selective of the believe in god's.

It's easy to check it out: just negate each as untrue

1. There is something unknown outside our universe
2. The thing outside the universe is the Uncaused First Cause (infinite regress of cause and effect is Logical and Scientifically impossible)
3. That the thing outside the universe is mysteriously complex and may not be subject to the normal laws of Energy, Space, time or 3D
4. What ever that thing is, it is a NOUN...a description

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Please refresh my memory sir. I seem to have forgotten where I mentioned you.

LordReed:


Bilch Caxauso.! Sounds like rich Spanish curse words. LMFAO!

budaatum:

And this is the point where they accuse you of strawman and being illogical, because no atheists says anything of the sort, since it's untrue, and they are more likely to say you have no mum if anything.

The theist argument goes something like this.

"Everyone alive has a mother (first cause). I am alive, and not, I have a mother, but some random woman on the street is my mother so, atheist, believe it, and if you don't you will burn in the hell my mother created!" I hope that sounds absurd to you. No dna, no birth witness, no signs of recognition by said mother, no confirmation by father. Just believe or you'd burn in hell. And to make it worse, the theist does not exactly know that the random woman is the mother neither. They just believe she is. And then they claim belief is knowledge, which anyone with an ounce of knowledge of epistemology and proper use of words would tell you is nonsense, since beliefs are not exactly knowledge. Can you then wonder that atheists laugh at theists?

In fact, intelligent theists should laugh at such theists too, for creating an image to prove God exists. Images based on human ideas at that. But Christians are actually worse and more absurd, for they are not exactly trying to prove God exist, but that their one book is the holiest of books written by God and published in the heavenly printing press by angels and is the whole and only truth, a fact anyone who bothers with some history can easily debunk.

Fact is, atheists do not claim things there is sufficient evidence for do not exist, even though it may sound that way to you. To the atheist, God does not exist, or they have seen no evidence for God or a first causer, and most arguments for it are just plain ridiculous and absurd if objectively considered, as in, without the subjective bias of faith or whatever it takes. The atheist wants dna, they want birth witnesses, signs of recognition and confirmation but are offered the Word instead, the Word they know were written by mere human beings which it is until one breathes onto it and it dwells in one.

Do note that I fault the theist in atheist-theist arguments. Most theists just make up stuff and lie that it is knowledge that they have. And this is obvious by their sheer ignorance of the Word of the God they claim to defend. For the only evidence a Christian has for the existence of God is their very own fruits as fertilized by God, and their own light that burns God's oil and which they should let shine to glorify the Father in heaven, except most of us are fruitless and our lights so filled with satan oil and so dim that even satan would deny us if not that it were to satan's delight that we are so ignorant and in the dark.

TheArranger:

This is a poor attempt at evasion. Do you have an answer or not?

budaatum:

I disagree. I after all know that I am very limited in my knowledge so can safely say, "I know that I don't know. I would even claim humility makes me say so of myself but that would be arrogant of me.

In China, we say, the person at the bottom of a hill does not see the view from the top of the hill. One must consider if one does not know but is claiming to know, which is what's more common here.

tintingz:
There are no stupid questions.

Please answer that question.

shadeyinka2:

The snake is a Pope!

tintingz:
An experience can be misinterpreted or similar to schizophrenia.

I can experience seeing Santa claus, should I start believing in existence of Santa?


Atheists lack belief in God/s, some Atheists believe in possibility of a first cause and even if there's a first cause we don't know what it is (agnostic).

One of the reasons Atheists disbelief in personal Gods as creator of the universe is due to many creation myths of these Gods.

You said there is something UNKNOWN outside the universe and then you said it's uncaused? How does that follow?

shadeyinka2:

I never ever evade questions!

How do you know that concepts like logic, thermodynamics & entropy apply outside our universe?
Since you feel they don't apply outside our universe, why do you require them as EVIDENCE to believe in the First Cause?