shadowprimezero:
SANF Exercise UKUTHULA 2019 is an integrated exercise which will see the Military Component stabilizing the Country of Carana through military intervention (Scenario 6 of the AU).

How our columns should be rolling in NE

shadowprimezero:
SANF Exercise UKUTHULA 2019 is an integrated exercise which will see the Military Component stabilizing the Country of Carana through military intervention (Scenario 6 of the AU).

What's up with your constant miss-spelling of SANDF?

saengine:


What's up with your constant miss-spelling of SANDF?

Certainly wouldn't say I make that mistake constatantly, but nonetheless, I appreciate the correction.

Odunayaw:
How our columns should be rolling in NE

Absolutely. Not a single soft skinned vehicle in sight, coordinated movement and excellent battlefield medicine. Apart from IED attacks, it would be suicidal for anyone to attempt an ambush on that convoy.

Fox 2 algeria

Merrad 54 . a loccaly designed and build apc . algeria

Sukhoi 30

Crazy low pass from mig 29 algeria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwmrbsNMXk

shadowprimezero:


Absolutely. Not a single soft skinned vehicle in sight, coordinated movement and excellent battlefield medicine. Apart from IED attacks, it would be suicidal for anyone to attempt an ambush on that convoy.

Well rebels/insurgents still do..... all the time with a some successes.

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shadowprimezero:


Absolutely. Not a single soft skinned vehicle in sight, coordinated movement and excellent battlefield medicine. Apart from IED attacks, it would be suicidal for anyone to attempt an ambush on that convoy.

Those South-African APCs are from 35 - 40 years ago during the days of Apartheid. They are not engaged in a 9 years insurgency like Nigeria.

They haven't purchased a new APC in 30 odd years.

Their deal to purchase Patria IFVs is already 3 years behind schedule.

kabe1:

Those South-African APCs are from 35 - 40 years ago during the days of Apartheid. They are not engaged in a 9 years insurgency like Nigeria.

They haven't purchased a new APC in 30 odd years.

Their deal to purchase Patria IFVs is already 3 years behind schedule.

Those 30 year old APC are still being sold TODAY!!! In terms of protection they still rival even the newest of MRAPs on the market.

In fact those old Casspirs have the best mine protection of any APC currently on the market..... And that's the facts talking not my opinion.

jln115:

Those 30 year old APC are still being sold TODAY!!! In terms of protection they still rival even the newest of MRAPs on the market.

In fact those old Casspirs have the best mine protection of any APC currently on the market..... And that's the facts talking not my opinion.

Thank you for not disputing my post.

The SADF can move in large armour because their has been no wear & tear of their equipment.

AskiaHarem:


Well rebels/insurgents still do..... all the time with a some successes.

Which convoys? Certainly not SANDF ones...

kabe1:

Thank you for not disputing my post.

to the contrary I'm definitely disputing your post since those 30 year APCs have done a fantastic job against insurgent groups like the M23, ADF ect ect.

What I'm not disputing is the fact that project hoefyster has fallen behind schedule.

kabe1:

Thank you for not disputing my post.

The SADF can move in large armour because their has been no wear & tear of their equipment.

"SANDF" and I don't get the bolded?? Our equipment have been deployed across Africa in recent years.

SA Navy Fleet review 2019:

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kabe1:

Thank you for not disputing my post.

The SADF can move in large armour because their has been no wear & tear of their equipment.

The only reason Nigerian Army can't move in such convoy is mainly because of corruption and lack of visionary leaders.

The people who import those soft skin hilux for NA must be smiling to bank every week.

jln115:
to the contrary I'm definitely disputing your post since those 30 year APCs have done a fantastic job against insurgent groups like the M23, ADF ect ect.

What I'm not disputing is the fact that project hoefyster has fallen behind schedule.

Nigeria deploys to various UN missions. Eg in Mali, Gambia, Sudan, Liberia etc.

The SADF has not seen active combat on the scale of the insurgency in Nigeria, Egypt or even Algeria.

Engaging in small UN peacekeeping missions is not enough to test the sustainability of your equipment.

This is the fact.

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Xbee007:

The only reason Nigerian Army can't move in such convoy is mainly because of corruption and lack of visionary leaders.

The people for import those soft skin hilux for NA must be smiling to bank every week.

I don't doubt there is corruption in Nigeria.

How many APCs have we purchased since Yar'Adua?

There is also massive corruption in South-Africa, why do you think their Patria IFV purchase is delayed?

Xbee007:

The only reason Nigerian Army can't move in such convoy is mainly because of corruption and lack of visionary leaders.

The people who import those soft skin hilux for NA must be smiling to bank every week.

The SA army has not purchased any new APCs since 40 years ago. Most of that equipment were purchased when they were fighting in Angola.

kabe1:

I don't doubt there is corruption in Nigeria.

How many APCs have we purchased since Yar'Adua?

There is also massive corruption in South-Africa, why do you think their Patria IFV purchase is delayed?

You doubt there is corruption in Nigeria!?

You probably must have heard of the case between P&ID and the Nigerian government. Well they were military contractor before they cable into oil and gas.

They ran scams with top military generals that ran into millions if not billions of dollars importing military hardware at cutthroat prices.

Xbee007:

You doubt there is corruption in Nigeria!?

I don't doubt means I do not dispute. I agree there is, there is an affirmation.

I'm asking do you know the numbers of APCs we have purchased from Yar'Adua till today?

You cannot just say it is because of corruption. Corruption exists everywhere including in South-Africa.

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kabe1:

I don't doubt means I do not dispute. I agree there is, there is an affirmation.

I'm asking do you know the numbers of APCs we have purchased from Yar'Adua till today?

You cannot just say it is because of corruption. Corruption exists everywhere including in South-Africa.

Oh, I misread then.

kabe1:

Nigeria deploys to various UN missions. Eg in Mali, Gambia, Sudan, Liberia etc.

The SADF has not seen active combat on the scale of the insurgency in Nigeria, Egypt or even Algeria.

Engaging in small UN peacekeeping missions is not enough to test the sustainability of your equipment.

This is the fact.

Firstly It's the SANDF not the SADF

Secondly SA has been deployed to Mali, S Sudan, DRC, CAR, Mozambique, Lesotho in recent times with the SANDF soldiers seeing extensive combat in CAR, Mali, S Sudan and the DRC.

Infact Monusco is the largest and one of the most dangerous peacekeeping mission in the world..... Not just some small UN peacekeeping mission.

The SANDF also carries out numerous exercises each year..... So your assumption that our equipment is not tested is incorrect.

Xbee007:

[s]You doubt there is corruption in Nigeria!?

You probably must have heard of the case between P&ID and the Nigerian government. Well they were military contractor before they cable into oil and gas.

They ran scams with top military generals that ran into millions if not billions of dollars importing military hardware at cutthroat prices.[/s]

Please read my comment you quoted one more time. You're mixing up your information.

kabe1:

The SA army has not purchased any new APCs since 40 years ago. Most of that equipment were purchased when they were fighting in Angola.

Again this is incorrect.... The Mamba only went in to production in 1994....and have been upgraded on serval occasions with the last upgrade taking place in the mid 2000s

The last Casspir upgrade took place in 2006

New equipment that first entered service after border war:
Valour class frigates
Heroine class subs
Gripen fighters
Hawk lift
A109s
Super lynx
Several missile systems
Several anti air systems
G6 howitzer
Mamba apc
Several rifle and pistols
Hornet rdrv
Seeker 400
LinkZA
Chaka c2
Ect
Ect

Equipment that have been upgraded extensively after the border war

Olifant mk2 tank
Oryx mk2
Rooikat 76mm
Casspir
Oerlikon 35mm aa
Several rifle and pistols
G5 howitzer
Bateleur rocket luncher
Ect ect

jln115:

Firstly It's the SANDF not the SADF

Secondly SA has been deployed to Mali, S Sudan, DRC, CAR, Mozambique, Lesotho in recent times with the SANDF soldiers seeing extensive combat in CAR, Mali, S Sudan and the DRC.

Infact Monusco is the largest and one of the most dangerous peacekeeping mission in the world..... Not just some small UN peacekeeping mission.

The SANDF also carries out numerous exercises each year..... So your assumption that our equipment is not tested is incorrect.

You are not deployed in Mali.

MINUSMA mission is the world's most dangerous UN mission. The Nigerian army and police are deployed there.

You had a training mission in the CAR, and if I can remember correctly, it did not go well for you.

Tanzania and Malawi are deployed alongside the South-African army in the DRC. Ukraine also supplies helo support.

Lesotho is a tiny patch of land completed surrounded on all sides by South-Africa.

Mozambique is a humanitarian mission, you sent helicopters there to rescue people from flood.

South-Sudan is a mainly Uganda led mission, at least when the fighting was at it's peak.

You don't get ambushed or bombed by adversaries whose intent is to kill you in a training exercise.

Please don't be disingenuous, you don't have to lie. I am not happy with the insurgency in Nigeria.

To claim that your vehicles are in top notch when you don't field them in large combat operations is a blatant lie.

Nigeria has purchased nearly 500 APCs in the last 9 years, including 47 units from South-Africa.

The fact is for a middle-income country, to deploy only armour in the middle of an insurgency is not possible.

Take the Syrian army as a good example.

jln115:

Again this is incorrect.... The Mamba only went in to production in 1994....and have been upgraded on serval occasions with the last upgrade taking place in the mid 2000s

The last Casspir upgrade took place in 2006

Can you provide evidence that the bulk of the armour of the South-African army is not from 30 - 40 years ago?