spillo1:

Maradonna took his country to 2 world cup final. Their is no argument you can use against him. Again stop bringing gods into arguments about Kings.

There is.

Trophies won by Messi: At least 34.
Trophies won by Maradona: Not up to 15.

nihilistjnr:


Try telling that to the guy who was crying inside a cupboard at 2am

Messi waa awarded the best player in football's biggest tournament. Kee yasef!

TLona1:


Yea I agree but it doesn't always work.

Ramos and Pique are world cup winners, Paolo Maldini isn't


Maradona never won the UCL. Maybe we use it against him also.

Ramos and pique are not GOAT contenders though, messi is.
Messi definitely is among the top echelon of greatests to ever did it but for him to climb on top of Mount Rushmore, he has to to prove it for his country

spillo1:

See fallacy. Whatever rocks your boat man

What's the fallacy there? Can you bee confident to say that Maradona and Ronaldo's achievements and statistics are as good as Messi's let alone better?

GrammarNazi1:

There is.

Trophies won by Messi: At least 34.
Trophies won by Maradona: Not up to 15.

Maradona never played in star squadded squads though unlike Messi and Ronaldo who have had the privilege of doing so

spillo1:

We are talking about the world cup here. He took his country to 2 finals back to back. The rest competition can take a back seat.

No. We are not talking about the World Cup. We are talking about football. The other trophies can't.

Once again, Maradona wanted to win the Uefa Champions League but he failed despite playing for some good teams.

kendrick93:
Ramos and pique are not GOAT contenders though, messi is.
Messi definitely is among the top echelon of greatests to ever did it but for him to climb on top of Mount Rushmore, he has to to prove it for his country

Yea right. Just one Copa America will make him seal that spot conveniently with all arguments ended.

Ronaldo on the other hand is even yet to be regarded above Messi even after Portugal won 2 titles.

GrammarNazi1:
There is.
Trophies won by Messi: At least 34. Trophies won by Maradona: Not up to 15.

Champions league won by Sergio Roberto: 2
Champions league won by Maradonna : 0
Sergio Roberto is greater than Maradonna
Grammar Nazi 2019.

spillo1:

Not debating Messi with you. Just stop bringing the O.G's like Maradonna,De lima into an argument between lesser beings.

Pele, Maradona and Messi are the top three. Delima is a bit below.... Delima had everything but injuries stopped him from What he could have become

kendrick93:
Maradona never played in star squadded squads though unlike Messi and Ronaldo who have had the privilege of doing so

So Maradona didn't win the prestigious Uefa Champions League because he never had a star-studded team?

But he played for Napoli in Italy and Barcelona in Spain.

TLona1:


What's the fallacy there? Can you bee confident to say that Maradona and Ronaldo's achievements and statistics are as good as Messi's let alone better?

Debate your Messi and ronaldo in what ever way you like but please don't involve the OG's. No need to deride this thread.

kendrick93:
Pele, Maradona and Messi are the top three. Delima is a bit below.... Delima had everything but injuries stopped him from What he could have become

It's appalling someone would rate Ronaldo de Lima above Messi.

TLona1:


Messi waa awarded the best player in football's biggest tournament. Kee yasef!

The very guy who awarded the award had this to say afterwards

kendrick93:
Pele, Maradona and Messi are the top three. Delima is a bit below.... Delima had everything but injuries stopped him from What he could have become

Lol Messi higher than de lima.

spillo1:

Debate your Messi and ronaldo in what ever way you like but please don't involve the OG's. No need to deride this thread.

Football pundits have always discussed Messi alongside Pele and Maradona in terms of the GOAT. So what are you on about?

GrammarNazi1:

So Maradona didn't win the prestigious Uefa Champions League because he never had a star-studded team?

But he played for Napoli in Italy and Barcelona in Spain.

Alaye Jor Jor .... Napoli a star studded team lol. You have lost all credibility. My friend the people of Naples call Maradonna a god for what he delivered.

spillo1:

Lol Messi higher than de lima.

Definitely and I'm a big fan of Ronaldo delima

nihilistjnr:


The very guy who awarded the award had this to say afterwards

This is actually funny. All the while they were planning to award him, they didn't know it was a mistake. It was when he got the award and went home they realised it was a mistake.


Ronaldo should by mistake win any international MVP award too

We are waiting..

spillo1:

Champions league won by Sergio Roberto: 2

Champions league won by Maradonna : 0

Sergio Roberto is greater than Maradonna

Grammar Nazi 2019.

World Cup trophies won by Gotze of Germany: 1.
World Cup trophies won by Messi and Ronaldo: 0.

Spillo1, 2019: Gotze is greater than Messi and Ronaldo combined.

GrammarNazi1:

No. We are not talking about the World Cup. We are talking about football. The other trophies can't.

Once again, Maradona wanted to win the Uefa Champions League but he failed despite playing for some good teams.

LMFAO.......I won la liga but according to Nazi not winning the Copa del rey diminish my greatness. Ok man

Nihilist keeps dragging us to the team achievement axis of the discussion.

I say we drag his arse to the personal achievement axis of the discussion which is the valid discussion in the first place.

No time for ejo wewe

spillo1:

LMFAO.......I won la liga but according to Nazi not winning the Copa del rey diminish my greatness. Ok man

You are only using wrong analogies to shift the scope of the discussion.

GrammarNazi1:

World Cup trophies won by Gotze of Germany: 1.
World Cup trophies won by Messi and Ronaldo: 0.

Spillo1, 2019: Gotze is greater than Messi and Ronaldo combined.

Lol this would made sense if I had said not winning the world cup diminish both as players which I did not so try harder..... LMFAO.

GrammarNazi1:

You are only using wrong analogies to shift the scope of the discussion.

That's basically what your saying. Who cares if Maradonna did not win the fecking Champions league when he dominated an higher competition called the world cup.

spillo1:

Alaye Jor Jor .... Napoli a star studded team lol. You have lost all credibility. My friend the people of Naples call Maradonna a god for what he delivered.

I gave you two teams but you talked about only one.

You are too narrow-minded.

TLona1:



This is actually funny. All the while they were planning to award him, they didn't know it was a mistake. It was when he got the award and went home they realised it was a mistake.

Well, take it up with them.

All i know is that, that award that you've been claiming as an accolade, the organisers and the very person who hung it on his neck had this to say:

"I think the decision was incorrect." Blatter said.

No trophy, and stray bullet award.

Thats an L

spillo1:

That's basically what your saying. Who cares if Maradonna did not win the fecking Champions league when he dominated an higher competition called the world cup.

Winning one World Cup trophy and failing so much in other important competitions will not make you the greatest too.

Is the World Cup the only important trophy in football even if it is the best?

Is Gotze of Germany better than C. Ronaldo of Portugal because he, Gotze, won the World Cup?

GrammarNazi1:

I gave you two teams SENFMD you talked about only one.

You are too narrow-minded.

You are the one trying to force a narrative which is border line fallacy. Not winning the champions league does not diminish Maradonna legacy in any way or form.

A lot of football fans have failed to recalibrate their minds to the new order.

Before the 1990's a lot of focus and importance was on the International scene. World Cups, Copa Americas and the Euros.
Less importance was attached to the domestic leagues and the Champions league.

But from the late 90's to the present times, more importance must be given to club football because club foorball has become far more glamorous, far more competitive and far more important.

Let's put all that into perspective!

In 4 years a top player plays an average of 200 games in club competitions.

In the same span of time a top player plays an average of 10 competitive games on National team competitions.

That's 200 to 10.

We want to judge a player's GOAT or RAM status by 10 games over 200 games

Quite ridiculous!

Thinking about how glamorous and money spinning the Champions league has become,

Club football has become the new order.

Ronaldo won the Euros yet there still exists a GOAT debate,
That debate dies the very moment Messi wins Copa America.

That's the levels to this shit.

nihilistjnr:


Well, take it up with them.

All i know is that, that award that you've been claiming as an accolade, the organisers and the very person who hung it on his neck had this to say:


No trophy, and stray bullet award.

Thats an L

OK.

Ronaldo should win his by mistake. It's not all the time Eder and Guedea should rescue him

spillo1:

You are the one trying to force a narrative which is border line fallacy. Not winning the champions league does not diminish Maradonna legacy in any way or form.

That is your opinion. Your opinion, however, is only your opinion.

GrammarNazi1:

Winning one World Cup trophy and failing so much in other important competitions will not make you the greatest too.

Is the World Cup the only important trophy in football even if it is the best?

Is Gotze of Germany better than C. Ronaldo of Portugal because he, Gotze, won the World Cup?

Lol Maradonna and failure in the same sentence....Alaye Jor Jor Jor.

Stop trying too hard to discredit Maradonna by talking about the fuckinggggg Champions league.