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My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 3:18pm On Oct 19, 2019
My greatest irrefutable evidence for existence of God; Please read carefully


The zygote of a cockroach can only develop into a cockroach

The zygote of a tilapia fish can only develop into a tilapia fish

The zygote of an alligator can only develop into an alligator

The zygote of an ostrich bird can only develop into an ostrich bird

The zygote of an elephant can only develop into an elephant.

The zygote of a gorilla can only develop into a gorilla.

The zygote of a blue whale can only develop into a blue whale.

The zygote of a human being can only develop into a human being.

This implies that zygote of a particular animal species must possess a particular set of encoded information representing the physical and behavioral characteristics of that very species of animal.

It is this very encoded information that scientists described as DNA.

This DNA template contains a lot of biological information on how to construct and assemble different parts of animals'body during embryonic development

Since all the organs that make up the body of animal do not form at the same time, the construction of various organs during embryonic development has to follow each other in a sequential manner.

Therefore, all the different information on the DNA template has to be read, interpreted and implemented sequentially for different organs that make up the body to be constructed and assembled at different times.

For example, after the construction of the the three germ layers ( endoderm, mesoderm and ectoderm), the first organ to be constructed during embryonic development is the heart.

According to embryology, there are 5 stages involved in the construction of the heart during embryonic development.

Stage 1: formation of the heart tube.

Stage 2: looping of the heart tube

Stage 3: formation of the heart chambers ( left and right atria, left and right ventricles)

Stage 4 : development of the outflow tracts like ascending aorta and pulmonary trunks

Stage 5: formation of the heart valves ( bicuspid and tricuspid valves)

Molecular studies have shown that more than 500 genes are involved in the development of the mammalian heart.

This implies that those five stages involved in heart development are being controlled by more than 500 strands of information on the DNA template.

So how did relevant encoded information manage to be read, interpreted and implemented to create all the complex events involved in the five stages of the heart construction ?

It is like you are being asked to construct an engine of a motor car by following a set of information given in a particular manual.

If you're not a perfectly trained engineer, then how are you going to read, interpret and implement these set of informations to construct and assemble different parts of the car engine ?


Therefore, if an untrained but intelligent human being cannot just read, interpret and implement a particular information to construct and assemble different parts of a complex system, then how did an untrained and unintelligent natural process manage to READ, INTERPRET and IMPLEMENT the set of information in the human DNA to CONSTRUCT and ASSEMBLE different parts of human body ( like head, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, chest, stomach, thigh, legs, tongue, teeth, gullet, lungs, heart, liver, kidney, spleen, testes, hypothalamus, thyroid etc ) without being guided by any intelligence ?


From our experience as intelligent human being, we know what it takes to CONSTRUCT AND ASSEMBLE DIFFERENT PARTS OF A COMPLEX SYSTEM by following a set of instructions.

1. You have to read the instruction

2. You have to interpret what you have read

3. You have to implement your interpretation by carrying out some active and specific movements.


Therefore, even if we assume that information on the DNA template managed to be evolved and changed with time by unguided processes of nature as the evolutionists want us to believe, then are we to assume again that reading, interpretation and implementation of these different information to construct and assemble different parts of bodies of animals ( like cockroach, tilapia fish, crocodile, ostrich bird, elephant, gorilla and blue whale) during embryonic development also managed to be evolved by unguided processes of nature ?



But one particular thing is certain; if an information on the DNA template managed to be evolved and changed with time by a certain natural process, then READING( by the RNA polymerase), INTERPRETATION ( by the ribosomes) and IMPLEMENTATION ( by the cells) of this very information to construct and assemble different parts of animal body during embryonic development can never also evolved by a natural process because we know from experience that these three processes (reading, interpretation and implementation of an information) can only originate from an " intelligent mind "


Hence, automatic transformation of a very tiny zygote (which is smaller than the size of a mustard seed ) into a comparatively huge and beautiful new born baby during embryonic development must definitely be the work of an intelligence even if we cannot test for the owner of this very intelligence in the science laboratory. Of course we know intuitively that intelligence cannot be the owner of itself.

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 3:19pm On Oct 19, 2019
Unguided natural EVOLUTION or intelligent supernatural CREATION


When identifying the operational mode of things or events in everyday life, there are only three possibilities:
(1) Necessity, (2) Chance, or (3) Design.

Everything that exist operate either by Necessity or by Chance or by Design. Therre is no fourth alternative.


(1) Necessity

To say that something operate by “Necessity” requires that it has been predetermined by a particular natural law and therefore it can only happen in one way. In other words, ONLY ONE possible and inevitable outcome exists, and that outcome must always exist.There is no room for any other possible outcome for something that operate by necessity.

The following are all examples of events that operate by "Necessity" ( i:e they operate by obeying a particular natural law):

(i) revolution of the earth round the sun in an an anticlockwise direction ( earth cannot revolve the sun in a clockwise direction).

(ii) falling of a stone from a height due to gravity (stone cannot just hang in the air without falling)

(iii) Evaporation of water into the atmosphere ( water cannot just remain the same without being vaporized)

In our universe, all these events cannot have any other possible outcomes.

(2) Chance

For something to operate by "Chance" requires that its operation is not by necessity and therefore it can happen in more than one way. In other words, there is room for other possible outcomes for something that operate by process of chance. Therefore, chance and necessity directly CONTRADICT each other. Hence, both of them cannot just operate together in the same event. One must leave for the other to operate.

The following are all examples of events that operate by "Chance";

(i) coming up of "six" while tossing a fair die ( other numbers like "five", "four" or "three" can come up).

(ii) a particular shape formed by water that spilled on the floor ( there are many other possible shapes that can be formed)

(iii) appearance of a beautiful pattern in the midst of clouds in the sky ( clouds can form many different pattern in the sky)


(3) Design

In order to attribute something to design, it requires that there must be more than one possible outcomes (i:e its operation is not by necessity) and it also requires that the something must be complex and specified (i:e has practically zero probability of occurring by chance).

The following are all examples of events that operate by "Design" ;

(i) printing of information on a sheet of paper

(ii) appearance of image on a screen

(iii) movement of a vehicle on the road


A practical example that illustrate the concept of necessity, chance and intelligent design is the arrangement of letter tiles. You will notice that there are basically THREE major modes through which letter tiles can be arranged;

1. When the letters are arranged to follow a particular law. That is to say, one specific letter must be followed by another specific letter. E.g

APZ-APZ-APZ-APZ-APZ

This is an example of NECESSITY.

The only possible outcome is "APZ". There is no room for any other possible outcome for something that operate by necessity

2. When the letters are arranged arbitrarily without following any particular law.
E.g

ATZ-NGH-PHQ-FRA-XDC-JUSL

This is an example of CHANCE.

There are more than one possible outcomes for something that operate by chance.

3. When the letters are arranged to form a specific and meaningful pattern
E.g

WHY-DID-YOU-EAT-THE-FOOD

This is an example of DESIGN.

There are more than one possible outcomes. But those outcomes must form a specific and meaningful pattern.

There is no any other mode through which letter tiles can be arranged apart from these THREE modes.

Here's another practical example that illustrate these three concepts:

Let’s assume that you win the lottery. Depending on the circumstances, your "win" could be the result of necessity, or chance, or design:

Necessity : You were the ONLY PARTICIPANT in the lottery; thus, you had to win, by necessity. ONLY ONE possible and inevitable outcome exists, and that outcome must always exist. There is no room for any other possible outcome.

Chance: There were MANY PARTICIPANTS, the lottery was conducted fairly, and you just happened to win at random by chance.

Design: There were also MANY PARTICIPANTS but your friends RIGGED the lottery so that you were chosen the winner by design.
You will discover that there is no any other way you could win the lottery apart from these THREE causal possibilities.



Now having perfectly understood the THREE causal possibilities explained above, consider the following premises of argument:

PREMISE 1: According to theory of natural evolution, different forms of life that exist on the earth were not purposely created by any intelligent designer. They just gradually evolved and came to exist through natural selection acting on genetic variations produced largely by random mutations ( i:e RANDOM ERRORS ) that occur during DNA replication.

PREMISE 2: But considering the three general modes of operation explained above, DNA replication (together with its proofreading system of enzymes) must operate either through a process of;

# CHANCE ( i:e through a mechanism that is based on randomness) or

# NECESSITY (i:e through a mechanism dictated by a particular natural law)
or

# DESIGN ( i:e through a mechanism that is based on a program created by intelligence ).

There is no fourth mode through which DNA replication can operate

PREMISE 3 : If DNA replication (together with its proofreading system of enzymes ) operate through a mechanism that is purely based on the work of CHANCE, then the DNA replication process must always be accompanied with a LARGE NUMBER OF ERRORS (i:e a great number of mutations must be observed) at every successive generation. This is because if DNA replication (together with its proofreading system of enzymes ) operate through a process of CHANCE, then there would be TWO POSSIBLE OUTCOMES during the proofreading process— (i) choosing the RIGHT nucleotides and (ii) choosing the WRONG nucleotides.
Therefore, it would be impossible to have "distinct and stable reproducing life forms" in the history of life on earth. This is because the constant great change in the DNA sequence at every successive generation must always be reflected in the phenotype . In other words, life forms have to be continuously undergoing a GREAT OBSERVABLE CHANGE at every successive generation WITHOUT forming any "distinct and stable reproducing life forms" which can be REGULARLY NAMED as goat, cow, dog, pig or sheep.

PREMISE 4 : If DNA replication ( together with its proofreading system of enzymes) operate through a mechanism that is purely based on NECESSITY (i:e through a mechanism dictated by a particular natural law), then the DNA replication process must always be COMPLETELY FREE FROM ERRORS (i:e complete absence of mutations must be observed) at every successive generation. This is because if DNA replication (together with its proofreading system of enzymes ) operate through a mechanism that is based on NECESSITY (i:e dictated by a particular natural law), then there would be ONLY ONE POSSIBLE AND INEVITABLE OUTCOME during the proofreading process— which is—choosing the RIGHT nucleotides
There would be NO ROOM for choosing the wrong nucleotides since the function of a proofreading process that operate by NECESSITY (and not by process of chance) is to ALWAYS choose the right nucleotides.

Therefore, if there is PERFECT RESISTANCE TO ERROR during DNA replication (i:e complete absence of mutations), then DNA sequence at every successive generation would always be perfectly remain the same and this would implies consistency in the form of life . In other words, ONLY ONE form of life (like one species of bacteria) would exist on the earth if DNA replication ( together with its proofreading system of enzymes) operate by a mechanism that is base on NECESSITY.

CONCLUSION : Therefore, if DNA replication (together with its proofreading system of enzymes) operate through a mechanism that is NOT based on intelligent DESIGN as evolutionary biologists want us to believe, then the DNA replication ( together with its proofreading system of enzymes) must operate through a mechanism that is either purely based on CHANCE or purely based on NECESSITY (of course, it cannot operate through a mechanism that is based on BOTH of them because "chance" and "necessity" always CONTRADICT each other as we have explained above).

Hence, if what the evolutionary biologists are saying is true , then it is either forms of life should continuously undergoing a GREAT OBSERVABLE CHANGE AT EVERY SUCCESSIVE GENERATION (if DNA replication, together with its proofreading system of enzymes, operate through a mechanism that is purely based on the work of CHANCE) or ONLY ONE FORM OF LIFE, like a species of bacteria, should exist on the earth ( if DNA replication, together with its proofreading system of enzymes, operate through a mechanism that is purely based on the work of NECESSITY).

However, none of these two cases correspond with our present experience regarding the history of life on the earth ; there is no any great observable change at every successive generation of life and yet there are many forms of life (other than a species of bacteria) that exist presently on the earth.

This simply shows that unguided natural EVOLUTION ( which can ONLY operate based on the mechanism of either chance or necessity) is NOT TRUE.
It is only an intelligent supernatural CREATION operating through a mechanism based on DESIGN that can allow for the DNA sequence or its regulation to change drastically at certain times ( for the CREATION of new life forms ) and also allow for the DNA sequence or its regulation to remain the same at other times ( for the REPRODUCTION of preexisting life forms).

This is beyond the power of any other mechanism which can ONLY allow the DNA sequence or its regulation to continuously change ( as in the case of mechanism based on CHANCE) or ONLY allow the DNA sequence or its regulation to remain perfectly the same( as in the case of mechanism based on NECESSITY )

Some evolutionary biologists argued for self organization theory. But the same principle can be applied as follows:


# If self organization of cells during embryonic development is true, then this organization must take place step by step.


# It is either these series of steps exist by process of CHANCE or they exist by NECESSITY (i:e obeying a particular natural law)


# If self organization of cells during embryonic development is by process of CHANCE, then all the steps involved are not expected to remain the same at every generation of life. Therefore, the REGULAR body plan associated with each animal phylum would NOT be observed.

#But if self organization of cells during embryonic development is due to NECESSITY, then every single step involved must always exist at every generation of life. This would automatically result into existence of ONLY ONE body plan. Therefore, about 35 DIFFERENT body plans present in the world of animals would NOT be observed.
This simply shows that organization of cells to form different tissues and organs during embryonic development is neither the work of chance nor necessity but the work of INTELLIGENT DESIGN.


"Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of "COMPLETE" animals and plants, not "WORKS IN PROGRESS" or "UNDER CONSTRUCTION". That is why we can give each DISTINCT plant or animal a NAME.
If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, WITH PARTS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF COMPLETION.
For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with USELESS GROWTH and have parts UNDER CONSTRUCTION. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts.
Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species:
"The number of INTERMEDIATE varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly ENORMOUS. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such FINELY GRADUATED organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."
The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The GRADUAL MORPHING of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is NOWHERE to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution were true.
In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are NO TRANSTIONAL FOSSILS at all between single-celled creatures and complex invertebrates, nor between complex invertebrates and fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.
This is one of the major reason why Stephen Gould and his colleague propounded another theory of evolution called "PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM" in 1972.
This new theory suggests that species of life maintained a long period of "STASIS" before they "RAPIDLY EVOLVED" into another completely different species.

However, Punctuated equilibrium is just a hypothesis ( with no any proposed mechanism) that attempts to explain the pattern of speciation observed in the fossil records.

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by rottennaija(m): 3:46pm On Oct 19, 2019
Your knowledge is primitive, as those whose wrote ancient manuscript was
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 4:04pm On Oct 19, 2019
rottennaija:
Your knowledge is primitive, as those whose wrote ancient manuscript was

Give us the CURRENT KNOWLEDGE on how natural process interpret the biological information on the DNA template to assemble different parts of animal body.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by oaroloye(m): 11:12pm On Oct 19, 2019
MISHIGAS!

I am an implacable opponent of the Theory of Evolution. Yet, it is not entirely irrational.

If the factors existed, that the Evolutionists claim allowed Evolution to take place, really existed- Primordial Environmental Conditions and Million-Year Timespans- Evolution could have written all those genes. It makes sense.

It is unreasonable to deny that.

It demeans Creationism to deny logical premises.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by LordReed(m): 7:57am On Oct 20, 2019
This man with his arguments from ignorance. So because a molecule is given a fancy name you think it does not follow the laws of chemical reactions? LMFAO!

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by prince985(m): 8:25am On Oct 20, 2019
Because you lack proper understanding of science and logic doesn't mean magic/spirituality is the only possible explanation. This is the problem with most black people's mentality

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 8:37am On Oct 20, 2019
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

I am an implacable opponent of the Theory of Evolution. Yet, it is not entirely irrational.

If the factors existed, that the Evolutionists claim allowed Evolution to take place, really existed- Primordial Environmental Conditions and Million-Year Timespans- Evolution could have written all those genes. It makes sense.

It is unreasonable to deny that.

It demeans Creationism to deny logical premises.

Evolution could have written all those genes. But through what process ?

By process of chance (mutations) ?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by prince985(m): 9:01am On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


Evolution could have written all those genes. But through what process ?

By process of chance (mutations) ?




yes by chance (mutations)
The Earth is billions of years old which is more than enough time to for trillions of failed attempts at chemical accidents capable of creating life and abiogenesis to occur. It took very specific conditions for life to come about..but the only reason me and you exist today is because a single one of those attempts were successful at the perfect conditions..if not, none of us will be here today.
Your lack of understanding of something is not evidence against it

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 9:41am On Oct 20, 2019
I stopped reading the article the moment I read you trying to introduce an intelligent being into a potential research area. We don’t know it today doesn’t mean that we won’t tommorow.

Every reasonable scientist will not jump into such conclusion. You have made an observation, asked a question then the next reasonable thing to do is to design a hypothesis and an experiment to test your hypothesis, instead you immediately ascribed it to an intelligent being.
If this is how science operates, this level of modernization wouldn’t have been possible.

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 9:51am On Oct 20, 2019
prince985:
yes by chance (mutations)
The Earth is billions of years old which is more than enough time to for trillions of failed attempts at chemical accidents capable of creating life and abiogenesis to occur. It took very specific conditions for life to come about..but the only reason me and you exist today is because a single one of those attempts were successful at the perfect conditions..if not, none of us will be here today.
Your lack of understanding of something is not evidence against it
I stopped educating people on evolution. It takes a will for someone to understand it. I also discovered that a lot educated scientists don’t even understand how it works. They simply see it as one organism turning into another.

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Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 10:07am On Oct 20, 2019
prince985:
Because you lack proper understanding of science and logic doesn't mean magic/spirituality is the only possible explanation. This is the problem with most black people's mentality

So only black people believe in spirituality ?

From our experience as intelligent human being, we know what it takes to ASSEMBLE DIFFERENT PARTS OF A COMPLEX SYSTEM by following a set of instructions.

1. You have to read the instruction

2. You have to interpret what you have read

3. You have to implement your interpretation by carrying out some active and specific movements.

These are the minimum requirements.

But additional requirement involved a perfect training on how to ASSEMBLE such parts to form such a complex system.

Yet all these requirements are impossible without INTELLIGENCE and CONSCIOUSNESS.

The fact that this process of ASSEMBLING take place in a biological world does not imply that all these requirements are absent or not catered for in another way.

So we actually know that intelligence and consciousness is required for a ZYGOTE TO TRANSFORM ITSELF INTO A FULL TERM BABY even if we are yet to physically observe the owner of this intelligence and consciousness.
Therefore, my argument is far from being "we don’t know it today doesn’t mean that we won’t know it tommorow".
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 10:23am On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


So only black people believe in spirituality ?

From our experience as intelligent human being, we know what it takes to ASSEMBLE DIFFERENT PARTS OF A COMPLEX SYSTEM by following a set of instructions.

1. You have to read the instruction

2. You have to interpret what you have read

3. You have to implement your interpretation by carrying out some active and specific movements.

These are the minimum requirements.

But additional requirement involved a perfect training on how to ASSEMBLE such parts to form such a complex system.

Yet all these requirements are impossible without INTELLIGENCE and CONSCIOUSNESS.

The fact that this process of assembling take place in a biological world does not imply that all these requirements are absent or not catered for in another way.

So we actually know that intelligence and consciousness is required for a ZYGOTE TO TRANSFORM ITSELF INTO A FULL TERM BABY even if we are yet to physically observe the owner of this intelligence and consciousness.
Therefore, my argument is far from being "we don’t know it today doesn’t mean that we won’t know it tommorow".
how can we Scientifically test for this intelligent being?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 10:30am On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
how can we Scientifically test for this intelligent being?

How can we scientifically test for macroevolution ?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 10:34am On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


How can we scientifically test for macroevolution ?
Answer my question first, I don’t know anything, I’m learning.

How can we test for the existence of an intelligent being?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 10:46am On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
Answer my question first, I don’t know anything I’m learning.

How can we test for the existence of an intelligent being?

If you see a toy car turning and reversing itself, then do you have to test for the person holding its remote control before you can accept that the work of intelligence performed by the car does not belong to the car ?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 10:51am On Oct 20, 2019
How can you test for the person holding the remote control of this car ?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 12:26pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
I stopped reading the article the moment I read you trying to introduce an intelligent being into a potential research area. We don’t know it today doesn’t mean that we won’t tommorow.

Every reasonable scientist will not jump into such conclusion. You have made an observation, asked question then the next reasonable thing to do is to design a hypothesis and an experiment to the your hypothesis, instead you immediately ascribed it to an intelligent being.
If this is how science operates, this level of modernization wouldn’t have been possible.

Which convincing experiment did evolutionists perform before ascribing our existence and the existence of other life forms to macroevolution ?

If you suddenly meet a sculptor of a man sitting on a horse in a bush, are you going to be designing a hypothesis and experiment before you conclude that this is the work of intelligence and consciousness ?

Having belief in God does not prevent the work of science. Rather, further research can be enhanced by believing that universe must be comprehensible since it was created by an intelligent being
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 12:26pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


If you see a toy car turning and reversing itself, then do you have to test for the person holding its remote control before you can accept that the work of intelligence performed by the car does not belong to the car ?
we can test for his existence because we see him and we probably know the company that produced the remote car, we know where the factory is located and we can see the brain behind it. We can even talk to them physically, the can repeat the whole process infront of us.

How can we test for the existence of an intelligent designer?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 12:28pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


Which convincing experiment did evolutionists perform before ascribing our existence and the existence of other life forms to macroevolution ?

the evidences are in fossil records and radiometric dating results.

How can we test for the existence of an intelligent designer?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 12:52pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
the evidences are in fossil records and radiometric dating results.

How can we test for the existence of an intelligent designer?

So observing the fossil records and radiometric dating results is equivalent to testing for macroevolution ?


Explain how natural process can accomplish the three minimum requirements listed above without intelligence and consciousness during embryonic development.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 12:56pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


So observing the fossil records and radiometric dating results is equivalent to testing for macroevolution ?


Explain how natural process can accomplish the three minimum requirements listed above without intelligence and consciousness during embryonic development.
I agree with intelligent design but how can I test for it?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 1:01pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
I agree with intelligent design but how can I test for it?

You can test for intelligent design by comparing its explanatory power with other competing hypothesis.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 1:04pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


You can test for intelligent design by comparing its explanatory power with other competing hypothesis.
anything to take to the lab or something?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 2:15pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
anything to take to the lab or something?



Information processing system observe inside a cell in a laboratory is enough to test for the existence of intelligent design.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 2:46pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:




Information processing system observe inside a cell in a laboratory is enough to test for the existence of intelligent design.
so how does that suggest an intelligent design?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 3:14pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
so how does that suggest an intelligent design?

DNA polymerases are the enzymes that build DNA in cells. During DNA replication (copying), most DNA polymerases can “check their work” with each base that they add. This process is called proofreading.If the polymerase detects that a wrong (incorrectly paired) nucleotide has been added, it will remove and replace the nucleotide right away, before continuing with DNA

See the reference below;

https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-molecular-genetics/hs-discovery-and-structure-of-dna/a/dna-proofreading-and-repair&hl=en

Of course we all know by experience that processes of copying and proofreading an information require an intelligence.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 3:30pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


DNA polymerases are the enzymes that build DNA in cells. During DNA replication (copying), most DNA polymerases can “check their work” with each base that they add. This process is called proofreading.If the polymerase detects that a wrong (incorrectly paired) nucleotide has been added, it will remove and replace the nucleotide right away, before continuing with DNA

See the reference below;

https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-molecular-genetics/hs-discovery-and-structure-of-dna/a/dna-proofreading-and-repair&hl=en-NG


Of course we all know by experience that processes of copying and proofreading an information require an intelligence.
so a god did it?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 3:36pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
so a god did it?

But do you believe that intelligent being did it even if the real identity of such being is not known to us ?
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 3:42pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


But do you believe that intelligent being did it even if the real identity of such being is not known to us ?
I don’t know if any intelligent being exist, I cannot assume that such does because I’m incapable of explaining some phenomena right now.

If an intelligent being exist then such being should be realistically noticeable and proof provided that he made all these, it shouldn’t be all about faith and quotes from a book that was written by ancient humans who had primitive scientific knowledge.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Abdulgaffar22: 3:54pm On Oct 20, 2019
nwabekeyi:
I don’t know if any intelligent being exist, I cannot assume that such does because I’m incapable of explaining some phenomena right now.

If an intelligent being exist then such being should be realistically noticeable and proof provided that he made all these, it shouldn’t be all about faith and quotes from a book that was written by ancient humans who had primitive scientific knowledge.

You have agreed that processes of copying and proofreading an information inside a living cell is a work of intelligence.
And we know that intelligence can not be the owner of itself. Yet you said you don't know if any intelligent being exist.
Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Nobody: 4:13pm On Oct 20, 2019
Abdulgaffar22:


You have agreed that processes of copying and proofreading an information inside a living cell is a work of intelligence.
And we know that intelligence can not be the owner of itself. Yet you said you don't know if any intelligent being exist.
the process of proofreading is a work of years of several errors to finally get a particular protein (DNA polymerase) that has the ability to replicate DNA and check for error. DNA polymerase is not even perfect, if an intelligent designer makes such then I don’t see him to be very intelligent.

The proofreading process of the enzyme is not 100% accurate, this little errors makes sure that genetic variation is attained hence a more diversified genetic pool. The inaccurate nature of DNA polymerase is the core basis for mutation and accumulated mutation over thousands and millions of years is the basis for evolution.

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