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Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by kman3000(m): 9:01pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87:yes sir, what does your certificate carry? What is your profession title? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by kman3000(m): 9:09pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87:to start with, there isn't really anything like course in MBBS, it is all, from cover to cover. You need to be proud of your profession as a dentist, you don't need to attempt downgrading mbbs for bds to make ur profession seem more difficult to attain. MBBS is MBBS, BDS is BDS, we are professional colleagues. Imagine you easily saying you didn't just do some courses further attempting to massage an ego you don't have. You are a dentist period, I'm a doctor and I'm proud of it. You making sound as though you could be called upon for obstructed labour, or burst abdomen. All these points to inferior complexities, and you don't need it. Dentistry is a good course likewise medicine. 6 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Nobody: 9:10pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: why are you posting your issue on the internet if you dont want people to take panadol for your heaache? Assuming it is panadol you are recommending not deliverance!! there is nothing to learn except there are some really dumb doctors and graduates out there. That you can cram a book and regurgitate in an exam doesnt mean you are intelligent or have learnt critical thinking. the same dumbness is why you failed your exams a few times, nothing spiritual about it!!! |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:13pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
kman3000: Lol... No be fight na. I can smell insecurity. Dentists train in Medicine and Dentistry literally to graduate as Doctors/Dental Surgeons, with a Bachelor of Dental Surgery (BDS). Or are you saying they don't answer doctors too? By the way the 4th BDS exam written is actually internal Medicine and Surgery (as I indicated in my post). I understand a lot of people do not know anything about dentistry. And I understand because we're very few. We actually spend more time in Medicine courses than we do in dentistry courses. Dentistry is the only field of human medicine that is autonomous, carving out its own niche, but also involves training in Medicine as well. More like specializing early while doing general medicine the same time. I feel it is of utmost importance that people get to know that dentists don't just study the teeth for 6 years. Physicians (especially those who have dentistry in their school) and dental surgeons understand themselves and know they are colleagues. However, my post is not to keep educating about dentistry. Feel free to believe what you want, but please take the lesson and learn from it. Thanks 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by angiography(m): 9:16pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
kman3000: I am just laughing here at how much he's trying to prove a point he shouldn't have pointed out ab initio. In my school here, dentistry students rotates medicine and surgery in part 4 with medicine students ...together with path and pharm. Afterwards, they have nothing in common anymore, medicine students go on to O&G, paediatrics, psychiatry, dermatology, orthopaedics, radiology, in part 5, then medicine, surgery and community health in part 6. Meanwhile dental students don't rotate with them in these.. Yet he said "dental students don't just do few medicine courses"� 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:18pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
isthatso: Lol.. Says an achiever like you. I understand nairaland is full of people of all caliber, including frustrated people. But I honestly cannot help everyone. There are still some good ones, many of whom I have read their comments. Goodluck bro. You won. 6 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Nobody: 9:22pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: you mean "trade" and "on" .....dullard, I can already see english is probably the reason why you kept failing, and you think your problems are spiritual |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:33pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
isthatso: Lol.. English no be my mother tongue, I don't mind writing my exams in Pidgin.. Lol. I understand you're one of the frustrated ones on nairaland who keep bashing every post they read. I honestly cannot help everyone. You don win. Carry cup 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 9:38pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Yes, I think next time if you actually specify things, it would be easier for everyone to understand Like those units " Oral Vasculature", "Immunology of the oral cavity", "Diet and Nutrition". If you show what actually connects the medicine and dentistry instead of using the generalisation of MBBS then people who are unfamiliar with the course might understand without having to trawl through posts on your profile |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:42pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: Lol.. In that case I'm still in order. Perhaps you do not know that dentists also write MBBS exams (together with medicine students). It is actually important that people understand that dentists are also trained in general Medicine and Surgery not just "Oral Medicine". So I think I'm still in order. It's more like studying Medicine while specializing at the same time.. So it's the only field of Medicine you begin to specialize from undergraduate with its own Faculty and which has it's autonomy even in the West African College of Surgeons (Faculty of Dental Surgery). It shows how unique and developed the field is. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Abcruz(m): 9:53pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Thanks for sharing! I am truely encouraged to keep on keeping on. God bless you Sir! 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 9:54pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Ok so instead of those one I wrote, what examples would you give that you think are typical of what you studied? I mean what do you guys actually do thats the same as what doctors do? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 9:56pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Okay. So why are all the doctors in the thread baying for your blood? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:01pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: They are either not doctors or they attend medical schools with no Faculty of Dentistry. Other reasons could be that dentists are very few and only few institutions offer dentistry, so only very few people are available to enlighten these ones. Some actually confuse Dentistry with other paradental courses like Dental technology etc. Those ones are not dentists so they are not doctors (dentists are doctors). 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:04pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: Just go to my profile and read about the curriculum of Dentistry. Dentists are majorly Surgeons that is why they graduate with BDS (Bachelor of Dental Surgery). They perform surgeries in the oral and maxillofacial region. They are also Oral Physicians, they treat varying medical problems in the mouth which most times may involve treating the whole system especially systemic diseases with oral manifestations (Syphilitic leucoplakia, HIV associated Acute Ulcerative gingivitis, Tuberculosis, Candidiasis..... etc too numerous to mention. They are actually a thorough breed of "Medical doctors". |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 10:07pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: But are you trained to deal with issues with all the areas of the body like a physician? As far as I can tell you are trained to understand oral health only, with some understanding of other areas. Just like physicians are trained to deal with the whole body, with some understanding of the mouth. And then when they come across it, they will refer the person to a dentist. And then if you train as a maxillofacial surgeon, you need both dental and medical degrees Correct any mistakes in those assertions |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:17pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: Yes they are trained to treat every disease that is why I asked you to visit my page and read about the curriculum of dentistry (it's the same in Most African Countries). But Westerners follow a slightly different route in their training of Dentists. Here, we do rotations and exams in Most specialties of Medicine, and actually treat medical conditions which have presentations in the mouth by giving systemic and local drugs to treat the ailment (that is why we're also trained in general Medicine).. We perform maxillofacial surgeries (which one can specialize only with dentistry degree) and gum surgeries etc. In the Western world especially in US, it's not compulsory to get a Medical degree before going into Maxillofacial surgery. It is optional (that's for those who wants to also have a medical degree). By the way, Physicians don't have any training in Dentistry please. Dentists study Medicine together with them and still have time to focus on their own Specialty (which by the way has nine subspecialties in the Postgraduate Medical College or West African College of Surgeons). Let me point out to you again that Dentists are different from other paradental professionals like the dental technologists etc (there's one of such schools in Enugu). Be informed and don't just say things you've not researched on (especially as pertains studying Dentistry in our own Clime). |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:27pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Dental surgery/Dentistry is the only specialty of Medicine which has carved out its own niche, hence candidates begin to specialize in the orofacial region from undergraduate, studying Medicine alongside (together with Medicine students from first to fifth year, then focusing in maxillofacial region in sixth year), in Colleges of Medicine in various Universities. It has been described as the Most strenuous course owing to its dual natured training (Medicine and Dental surgery). At the end they graduate as Doctors and Dental surgeons with a Bachelor in Dental Surgery (BDS). Many are yet unaware of the demands and intricacies of this course, including some newly admitted dental surgery students. Some think dentists are all about the teeth alone whereas others confuse them with other paramedics or dental auxiliaries (like dental technologists, dental therapists, dental nurses or assistants etc) who are trained in Schools of dental technology, hence the need for this enlightenment. This enlightenment is for both dental surgery students and the general public or aspirants. -First year: This is called Pre-Med, as candidates are yet to begin core medical courses. They do basic biological and Physical sciences (Physics, chemistry, Biology, Zoology etc etc). Same courses as Medicine Students. This post will be centered on the Medical Courses (second to sixth year). -Second- Third year: *2nd BDS part A courses: Oral Biology (Oral Anatomy and Oral Physiology). *2nd BDS part B/2ndMBBS courses: Anatomy (Gross Anatomy, Embryology, Histology), Physiology, Medical Biochemistry. By the second year, they write their 2nd BDS part A and by the 3rd year they write the 2nd MBBS exam (also called BDS part B) together with Medicine students. -4th year courses: *3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS courses: .Pharmacology and Therapeutics . Pathology (Medical Microbiology, Chemical pathology, Hematology, Morbid Anatomy). At the end they write the 3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS together with the Medicine students. *3rd BDS part B courses are as follows: .Operative techniques . Prosthetic techniques . Science of Dental Materials -5th year: *They start short postings and lectures in the following Medical and surgical specialties: Dermatology, ENT (Otorhinolaryngology), Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Radiology, Psychiatry, Emergency Medicine and Family Medicine. *After which they proceed with other postings and Lectures in other specialties in internal Medicine and Surgery. .Internal Medicine: Cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, Neurology, Nephrology, Respiratory Medicine (pulmonology) and Rheumatology. .Surgery: General surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Neurosurgery, Cardiothoracic surgery, Plastic surgery and Pediatric surgery. After this they write the 4th BDS (or 5th MB) exam organized by the Faculty of Medical sciences or Medicine. Those who survive till this stage are then ushered into the final phase of Dental surgery training with another rigorous Academic bombardments in about ten specialties of Dentistry/Dental surgery. -6th year: *5th BDS courses are: .Oral and maxillofacial surgery . Oral Pathology .Oral Medicine .Prosthetic dentistry (Prosthodontics) .Restorative dentistry .Pediatric dentistry (pedodontics) .Orthodontics .Periodontology .Community dentistry .Oral and maxillofacial radiology After which they write the 5th BDS exam at the end of the session. Can sometimes take up to 7 years. Tests will be written per semester on various courses before the Main exams at the end of every session. Those who pass the final BDS exam are then inducted into the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) as Doctors and Dental surgeons together with their Medical colleagues. NB: There may be slight differences in the curriculum in various universities but many similarities. This is a very rigorous training that have had a lot of people thrown out of the Medical school. Only very few end up surviving at the end. But, for the determined, it can be done. For the Dental surgery students, remain focused, avoid distractions (social media, women etc), work hard and smart, pray too. It can be done. Aspirants, work hard and smart too, never give up until you get the best out of life. This is an overview of the curriculum of Dentistry as obtainable in the institution I trained. However, different institutions may have a slight variation. I copied this from my previous posts as an educational piece to further throw more light on the course Dentistry just for aspirants and those who honestly want to know. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 10:32pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: To be honest I looked at your profile but I didnt see anything about that. Let me look again Yeah thats what Im trying to ask. You can treat diseases that present in the mouth like diabetes. What if someone breaks their finger? You know what to do right? I didnt say that physicians had dental training. I said that they had some understanding of oral health as it pertains to general medicine, afterwards they will handover to the dentist I am not "just saying" anything. I am asking you a reasonable question about what I dont understand and asking you to correct me if Im wrong. There is no need to be snide. 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:37pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: It's okay bro, look at the corrected version of my comment just above your last comment and you will see the curriculum of dentistry. I had to Copy and Paste from one of my old posts on my profile. Read and be enlightened. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 10:38pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Do not worry. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:52pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: Dentists treat general problems as well. For instance, in the treatment of Syphilitic Leukoplakia which is as a result of Syphilis, they treat the whole body in order to get read of the mouth problems too. When a patient under their care goes into shock or experiences an asthmatic attack, a dentist should be restore the patient to stability.. Every surgical patient in dentistry (maxillofacial surgery) is subjected to tests and if possible treatments (if needed) for other systemic (general) diseases by the dentist before the main surgery. There are other numerous medical procedures performed by the dentist which I won't mention here because you may not understand what they mean. So yes, dentists practice general medicine especially in emergency situations on their patients. That's when they apply their knowledge of general Medicine. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by OOLUSOGA(m): 10:58pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Nice one. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 11:10pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
really funny man. Only in Nigeria will someone struggle so hard to claim what he is not. Can a Medical Doctor get employment as a Max fax SHO? No because he is not a Dentist, no matter his training. Can a Dentist become a even a house officer in the emergency department even if there is extreme shortage? No. Do Nurse know a lot about Medicine and Surgery, Many do. But are they Medical Doctors no. BDS and MBBS are two different courses with different certificates and different job specifications. Congrats again on graduating successfully after a tough and long streak. Do your best to leave the country, then you'll enjoy the course more and understand that the differences clearer |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by horpeyemmi66(m): 11:24pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: Madam, if you do not understand a subject/concept/anything kindly ask questions. You just don't go around online writing stuffs that are in the very least irritating because you feel you have an idea about the subject of discourse. I have a degree in Physiology from the UI and I'm a Dental Surgery student at the ABU, Zaria. So I know my onions to a large extent which means mikolion87 isn't seeking any cheap publicity for himself, at all. Dentist/Dental Surgeons are Doctors just like the Medical Doctors. They do ALL courses the Medicine guys do except Obstetrics and Gynaecology. They earn the same remuneration and are as "medically qualified" as the medical doctors. The exams are usually labelled MBBS/BDS exams. There is no difference in the kind of questions. They are required to attempt the same questions under the same conditions. What's more they earn the same salaries. They belong to the same associations. They are the only two who can be Provost/CMD. As per the requirements for being an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon. The requirements vary by country. In Nigeria you have to complete a residency in oral and Maxillofacial Surgery(FWACS or FMCDS, you can also have both). What you stated up there are the Canadian, Australian etc requirements to practice OMFS. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 11:29pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
horpeyemmi66: What is your problem? What about "Correct any mistakes in these assertions" do you not understand? I was not sure about it, thats why I asked him. All the doctors on the thread were chewing him and making jest of him that he is trying to feel among with MBBS graduates. I clearly asked him to correct me if I am wrong so please get off your high horse. Its irritating for me to write something but you dont find it irritating to not read what somebody wrote and start jumping to conclusions 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by horpeyemmi66(m): 11:34pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1: Dude, I stumbled upon a certain thread concerning Medicine and Dentistry and there you were spewing trash. Here you are again yarning dust. If you do not understand a thing, it costs nothing for you to unlearn and relearn what you think you know. Some of the things you wrote on that thread make me wonder if the neurons in your cerebrum are still firing. To argue is not my forté, as I observed you have a knack for arguing. Always looking for an avenue to start a controversy. Look at the stupid thing you inferred "Nurses know more about Medicine than Dentist". How more inept can you be? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Marley147: 11:40pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
So motivating I think am having similar problem but I will conquer soon Amen Mikolion87: 3 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by horpeyemmi66(m): 11:41pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
midnighter: This is a public site where anyone can claim to be what they are not. The fact that an individual calls himself a doctor in here does not make him one, don't be overly gullible. We could also attempt looking at the situation from the vantage point of these "Doctors chewing him" having only Medicine in their College of Medicine/Faculty of Health Science alongside other courses. Hence, they assume Dentistry "is just about the teeth". And I do not own a horse. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by kman3000(m): 11:42pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1:very funny dude...he is trying to say he is both a dentist and a mbbs holder. As far it makes him happy, no problem, everyone deserves to be happy. I doubt I would ever have to explain myself as a doctor, if I see a dental case definitely I'm referring to my brother here the new dentist in town. The other day on Twitter, a lady claimed she just bagged 3 degrees in one day, B.sc nursing, RN and something that has to do with midwifery someone had to explain that she bagged only one degree been B.sc while the others are licensure. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 11:49pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
horpeyemmi66: Nobody is gullible. Stop being arrogant in your interactions with people and stop acting as if youre superior to me because I asked for information on a subject that I am unfamiliar with. Were you born a dental student? If you want to explain something to someone then do it, otherwise dont bother. By the way, you should remember that you are studying a professional course in which you will also be assessed on your ability to relate with others. Are you going to go about snarking at your patients for asking simple questions? No need to look down on others over information that you were given for a fee. 3 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by horpeyemmi66(m): 11:51pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
kman3000: Good God Almighty. Are the following not licenses(given the context) ICAN, ACCA, FWACS, FPSN, FMCDS? 1 Like |
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