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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by pacretus(m): 6:17pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
SUFFERInSMILIIN:how about your brothers? In Ghana 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:17pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: But there is no inflation or shortage of rice the price of rice is going down and it will reach 9000 for 75kg when foreign rice was selling 22 000 for 50kg we are going to be self sufficient in rice by next year and our inflation is going down massively as well |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:18pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
68816419:Read the last part before you praise a small potato with 10m loan portfolio 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:19pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Abohboy:You live in alternate world.Even the dubious Yemi Kale has clearly captured the food inflation thanks to rice shortage the last month 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:19pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
SUFFERInSMILIIN: Coming from someone from Botswana all your country is desert when you were posting pictures if Gaborone you had to use pictures from south Africa because your country doesn't have that much to offer Plus it is coming up gradually you that place all of that land has been bought and they are now doing soil testing and making final renders for the buildings you hate to see our progress but it is happening regardless of whether you like it or not. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:21pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: Okay and safaricom I know of ushabffv I do not know of so what if you have expanded around the world it is a telecom service congratulations doesn't mean people around the world use it the average American, Chinese, Nigerian, British, German etc would never know anything about safaricom so it is not that special |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:22pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: As I said we are becoming self sufficient and the price is still going down can you not read the price of RICE IS GOING DOWN TO 9000N FOR A 75KG BAG hopefully you can read this one better |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:23pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: Plus we are destroying the deficit for most products people want there was a shortage of sorghum and barley for local beer production we fixed that deficit and had enough money for export as well |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:25pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Austine1212:I think only Joburg, Capetown and maybe Durban are bigger than Nairobi.Joburg GDP is possibly 80B dollars..I estimate Nairobi to be about 50B.Yes Nairobi has some way but it growing so fast...and will catch up sooner than you think..15yrs max.Nairobi was voted no 6 most dynamic ( read fastest growing) city in the world..in a list dominated by Indian and China cities.Nearly half of all skyscrapers under construction in Africa are in Nairobi...soon Nairobi will have tallest or biggest anything.Multinational are choosing Nairobi as their HQ for their Africa operations outside of South Africa. 4 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 6:27pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp20182: Lol ![]() You have a very big mouth ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 6:29pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Meanwhile....the biggest online store in Kenya goes to... 2 Likes
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:30pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Abohboy:On ground things are different..but Abuja can claim anything.They use to claim self sufficiency when everyone saw Benin rise to become 2nd world biggest rice importer...yet it's country of 10m.When Benin and Cameron stop buying Thailand rice come and tell us your rice success story.Look at you fertilizer consumption and don't buy Abuja lies...on ground... nothing is happening...just some folks taking huge rice loans and squandering...just like rest have squandered 600B dollars earned from oil. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by SUFFERInSMILIIN(m): 6:30pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Abohboy: Will be surprised with a lot of illiterate in Nigeria even Nigerian government can sign deal with a snail isn't this the same government which state is snake eat the money |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obidark: 6:36pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
SUFFERInSMILIIN: soo,you are still talkin,then you are a criminal as well.... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 6:36pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Shma: This dude can't even spell 'Nigeria' correctly. Speaks volumes. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obidark: 6:37pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Carmit: its okay....they are criminals aswell....no big deal.... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MiddleDimension: 6:43pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: why do you like lieing to yourselves? so much respect to you guys but stop compating your country to Nigeria or SA. apart from those in N Africa, these two countries Nigeria aand SA do not have rivals in the whole of Africa. i understand you have to be patriotic and defend your people. but the TRUTH still is that you really are not match for those two countries. the Lagos economy is bigger than yours. and any other African Economy apart from SA, Egypt, and maybe one other one. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:46pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
MiddleDimension:Read this thread backward..we have covered all that..so many times. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MiddleDimension: 6:47pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp20182:patriotism gone too far! |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MiddleDimension: 6:48pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018:so what's your take? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:51pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
MiddleDimension:My take Nairobi like AfroAsia says will next year overtake Lagos in wealth score and like JLC says is no 6 world fastest growing city in real estate will soon overtake Joburg.I don't have my own data...I use reputable data that is cross verifiable.I refuse Nigeria GDP data because it's overcooked.Its easy to know if data is cooked because they don't add up.Ask VW group who sold 20 cars in entire Nigeria hahaha..these are entry level cars..when they sell half a million in South Africa and 200 in Rwanda 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:53pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: Did you not see that map I do not care about your estimates Lagos is 108,joburg is 154 and Nairobi is 54 there caoe town was bigger than Nairobi s well I think also Durban Cairo was 140 |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 6:56pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Abohboy:We have small problem of bear run in our stock market...it will soon recover because we don't depend on oil or minerals...we will certainly overtake Lagos in number of USD millionaires next year..but you know Dangote and 2 other dollar billionaire are responsible for maybe 30b out of the 108B..or you are also that dense 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 6:59pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: What do you mean nothing is happening on ground I bought some Nigerian rice myself lake rice made in Nigeria and grown in Nigeria I went to the plantation in kebbi state and saw the process I know Nigerian rice is growing and we are going to become self sufficient the government never made any report that we were self sufficient do not lie As for fertilizer the government made a contract with Morocco to use our massive phosphate reserves to start producing fertilizer and we are planning 20 more fertilizer processing companies so we can start exporting and start Importing I know what I am saying when I say we will be self sufficient I am sure of it or when I say a project is ongoing it is definitely ongoing |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 7:00pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
SUFFERInSMILIIN: It's the world Bank idiot you cannot scam the world Bank and get away with it empty cocoyam head |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 7:00pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: Bro.... Nigerian rice has been in circulation just a few weeks after the closure Some 'smart' guys even re-bagged Nigerian rice into bags of the regular Thailand brands to sell them.... Almost all Nigerians have been eating it dude. Me inclusive ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obidark: 7:02pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming The western corporate media has had it in for White Afrikaners for decades now. That’s because they were not only disinclined to follow the British Empire’s plans for southern Africa, they were also openly hostile to the corporate culture’s plans for the region. Whereas the Boers were farmers, both the Rothschild-backed Anglo-American and De Beers corporations controlled most of South Africa’s vast mineral wealth, or at least they did during the apartheid era. During those years both corporations were instrumental in securing Mandela’s release from prison and thereafter they helped the ANC’s ascent to power. Although, of course, the objective was not to improve the lot of poor South Africans but to ensure they continued to dominate the country’s lucrative mining sector. Even Ronnie Kasrils, an ANC activist and friend of Mandela, admitted that the Party leaders had sold Black South Africans “down the river” in their deals with the mining giants. None of this is mentioned in the following Guardian report. It also makes one other crucial omission. Violent crime is now endemic in South Africa with many residents ready to emigrate because of the appalling rates of murder and assault. Around 57 people are murdered every day in South Africa, making it one of world’s most dangerous countries, and murder and rape rates are climbing. In contrast, a Black teenage girl was shot and wounded in the leg just outside Orania in 2000, nearly 20 years ago. That’s the one major crime I could find that had been committed in Orania. Contrast that with the 57-58 murders PER DAY in South Africa and you can begin to grasp why the White Afrikaners first implemented the policy of apartheid. Crucially, the following report makes absolutely no mention of South Africa’s appalling rates of violent crime. Nor does it mention the near absence of violent crime in Orania. The omission is significant and, we suspect, deliberate because the growth of violent crime in South Africa has undoubtedly contributed directly to the growth of Orania. Not that the Guardian would say so. It is too busy spouting liberal clichés to state the obvious. Ed. ‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming Dennis Webster in Orania – The Guardian Oct 24, 2019 October in Orania can be charming. When the sun sets, long ribbons of burnt orange settle on the horizon. The flies and mosquitoes that come with the summer’s oppressive heat haven’t arrived yet. It is Magdalene Kleynhans’ favourite time of year. “You can sit outside until late into the night,” says the businesswoman, whose family spends much of their time outdoors. Her children fish from the banks of the Orange River whenever they choose. Kleynhans leaves the house unlocked. “It’s a good life. It’s a big privilege.” But there is much more to this small Northern Cape town than the bucolic ideal painted by Kleynhans. Incredibly, 25 years after the fall of apartheid, Orania is a place for white people only. Kleynhans runs one of Orania’s biggest enterprises: a call centre whose business is recruiting and retaining members for Solidariteit, a trade union primarily for Afrikaner workers, and Afriforum, a self-styled “civil rights” movement. Afriforum recently met with US president Donald Trump’s administration and Tucker Carlson of Fox News to tell them that Afrikaners are facing a widely discredited genocide. Both have made extensive investments in Orania’s construction boom. — Actually, claims about the levels of violent crime in South Africa have NOT been discredited. Despite the Guardian’s reference to “widely discredited genocide”, the South African government itself now acknowledges that the country is turning into a “war zone”. Rising crime, much of it targeting white farmers, also accounts for the mass exodus of Afrikaner farmers from South Africa to southern Russia. Once again this salient point is entirely unmentioned by the Guardian. White Boer farmers are leaving South Africa, just as Rhodesian farmers once left Zimbabwe, because violence and government incompetence is forcing them to. Indeed, events in South Africa are almost an exact replay of what happened in Rhodesia: where the advent of majority rule turned what was once called ‘Africa’s bread-basket’ into a barren dustbowl. Instead of highlighting this related fact, the Guardian obscures the truth of the matter. Making this article an example of how journalism is being used as a means of propaganda. Ed. — Oranians claim the town is a cultural project, not a racial one. Only Afrikaners are allowed to live and work there to preserve Afrikaner culture, the argument goes. The reality, however, is a disquieting and entirely white town, littered with old apartheid flags and monuments to the architects of segregation. While there are no rules preventing black people from visiting, those who live nearby fear they would be met with violence. The town has faced numerous calls for it to be broken up over the years, with prominent author and advocate Tembeka Ngcukaitobi arguing its existence violates South Africa’s successful dismantling of racial segregation. “Orania,” he says, “represents downright hostility to the idea of a single, united, non-racial country.” Large-scale eviction Orania was created in 1991, a year after Nelson Mandela’s release from Robben Island, and three years before the country’s first democratic election. Set among lush pecan nut orchards in the otherwise arid Karoo, it was set-up as an Afrikaner-only hamlet, not dissimilar from the ethnic Bantustans established under former prime minister, Hendrik Verwoerd, often dubbed the “architect of apartheid”. By the end of the 1980s, the probability of losing control had already occurred to many Afrikaners, with some believing that impending democracy posed an existential threat to the white Afrikaans way of life. A few felt protecting that required becoming a demographic majority somewhere, rather than remaining a minority everywhere. So a small group of Afrikaners – Verwoerd’s daughter and son-in-law, Carel Boshoff, among them – purchased a strip of land on the southern banks of the Orange River, and went about setting up a volkstaat, or independent homeland, where Afrikaners would decide their own affairs. Orania’s founders did not settle on virgin territory, but on the remains of a half-realised 1960s project to build canals and dams along the Orange River. A community of 500 poor black and mixed-race squatters who had made their homes in the buildings left behind by the project stood between the new owners and their whites-only vision. Speaking to the community after the purchase, Boshoff reportedly said he “did not buy a bus with passengers”. What followed, according to Cambridge historian Edward Cavanagh’s history of land rights on the Orange River, was one of the last large-scale evictions under apartheid. It was carried out by the future residents of Orania, with the assistance of beatings, pistol whippings and dogs. The population has doubled After three decades as a quiet backwater, Orania is booming. Its population – currently around 1,700 – has doubled over the last seven years. The most recent census estimates growth of more than 10% a year, outstripping most comparable rural towns and more, proportionally, than South Africa’s biggest cities. Population growth means a flourishing housing market and construction industry. Neat suburban homes have been joined by new apartment blocks and walkups which sell for as much as R1.5 million (£80,000), putting them on par with comparable homes in Johannesburg. There is an industrial zone of brick and aluminium factories which sell their products around South Africa. China buys most of the pecan nuts. The growth shows no signs of slowing. A sewage works meant to accommodate 10,000 future residents is in the pipeline. There are designs to transform the town’s humble technical training facility – where many of the skills driving the town’s new construction were taught – into a university. Not a single brick has been laid by a black worker. In a reverse of the usual situation in South Africa, all low-paying work in Orania – from keeping the town’s gardens to packing the shelves in its grocery stores – is performed by hard-up white Afrikaners. It is increasing numbers of poor labourers, whose tenancy is often less secure and who either rent or rely on subsidies from Orania’s cooperative bank, who are largely behind the town’s growing population. Orania is owned by the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok (Vluytjeskraal Share Block) company which, together with a series of internally elected bodies, is responsible for the town’s municipal decision making. People who want to live in Orania buy shares in the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok, instead of freehold. The screening of prospective shareholders allows for tight control. Buyers undergo extensive vetting, central to which is their fidelity to Afrikaans language and culture, a commitment to employing only white Afrikaners, and a string of conservative Christian undertakings. Unmarried couples, for instance, cannot live together. The town exists at the mercy of the South African constitution. In the early 2000s, a planned remapping of boundaries that would have brought Orania under the control of a democratically elected municipality appeared to spell the end, but the town successfully appealed to the high court using the constitutional rights of the country’s minority cultural groups. Pursued and harassed A quarter of a century after the end of apartheid, black people are restricted to using the filling station on the edge of Orania. Benjamin Khumalo* is one of them. The 55-year-old and his wife, who have lived on a small nearby plot since the 1980s, were once pursued and harassed by a pickup truck covered with Orania stickers when walking home after an evening with friends. “Now you must run,” he urged his wife, pushing her through a fence. “I’ll be behind you.” Khumalo still remembers when Orania was a home for black families. The guns carried on the hips of many Oranians, however, have been enough to convince him never to enter the town again. “They will hurt you,” he says. “There is nothing we can do.” Unsurprisingly, Orania’s white residents have a different take. The town’s doctor, Philip Nothnagel, describes South African cities as “warzones”. He lived in the country’s administrative capital, Pretoria, before he moved to Orania. The 10 months since have been the best of his life, he says. “It’s the first time in history that a country has been established without a war,” he adds, sporting a Lincolnesque beard after he dressed up as Paul Kruger during recent celebrations of the Boer hero. “It’s like boere [white Afrikaners] Disneyland. Except you never have to go home.” The spectre of Verwoerd, the architect of apartheid, is difficult to escape. His portrait and bust seem to be around every corner. His wife, Betsie, is buried in the town, and her old home has been converted into a Verwoerd museum. His grandson Carel Boshoff junior is a former leader of the Orania Movement, which first proposed the idea of Orania in the 1980s. Boshoff junior is perhaps one of the more unlikely fans of the pianist Abdullah Ibrahim, whose music plays on a laptop in his office. Like his parents and grandparents, Boshoff fears white Afrikaners face a real threat of “being wiped out”, either through violence or what he calls “amalgamation”. He believes the recent expansion of Orania is just the start. “We are something like the phoenix in the ashes,” he says. “The questions to which Orania is the answer are so fundamental to the structure of South African society that you can’t express and affirm your Afrikaner identity without coming to the conclusion of a bigger Orania.” Offended by Orania Orania has continued largely uncontested since its victorious appeal to the high court in the early 2000s. The ANC government does not appear to be considering an appeal of the high court decision. Zamani Saul, head of the ANC-run Northern Cape government, has said an inquiry into Orania’s legal status is yet to be concluded. For Ngcukaitobi, the author, Orania “represents the reversal of the constitutional project of national building.” The rights that underpinned the town’s high court challenge against the remapping are not unlimited, he says. Anyone who cares about South Africa “would rightly be offended by what Orania represents, which is an enduring legacy of racial mobilisation”. Orapeleng Moraladi, Northern Cape secretary of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, blames the town’s continued existence on the courts, an uncooperative Orania leadership, and a lack of political will from the ANC. “[The town] is like embracing an apartheid system within a democratic state,” he says. “Orania is an indictment of the government of South Africa.”
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 7:02pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: The wealth of all of the Nigerian billionaires does not even reach 30 billion dollars it is 28 billion dollars now who is dense |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 7:02pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Enjoy a little Abuja ![]() 2 Likes
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 7:04pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Likkle bit of Abuja �
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Abohboy: 7:05pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
rvp2018: Lagos is diversifying away from oil as well do not be fooled they have started exporting fish and shrimp to America they have invested 20 million dollars in a coconut plantation and processing plant they are also building the largest rice mill in Africa in Lagos. rice shortage what Than the lekki free trade zone will seal it with all the industries it will attract and finally the amount of money that the port will make Nigeria will be unbelievable 561 billion dollar revenue from the port and the government will get 250 billion dollars from that you cannot surpass us I'm sorry it ain't happening. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Carmit(m): 7:06pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Just a little view ![]() Abuja though... 1 Like
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