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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chuchucalgary: 10:59am On Oct 27, 2019
igbizen:

I have 500k savings and I need to borrow another 500k. Instead my 500k is given back to me @10% interest and another 500k @10% interest. The smartness there is that digitally you will be seeing ur 500k in ur account which you cannot touch until you have paid the debt completely. They argue that it is in the form of collateral

But in actual sense, the true collateral is tied to ur benefits. The company will pay cooperative first b4 they give you what is left, if you decide to leave the company.

Too much sense Oga. One of the the reason why I opted out of Cooperative o. Now I just put what's supposed to go to cooperative into mmf monthly, & watch it grow, b4 i move to T-Bills. If I need emergency money, as aka I get where to borrow interest free, I borrow and give a date to pay back, while I get interest from my mmf or T-bills. That ur office rate is too high though, most ai know of is usually pegged at 6%.

In other news, I have some funds tied up in Warri refinery, for about 6 months now, since they stopped working, I have been using my head to calculate what interest T-Bills would have given me. Does anyone have an idea how to get money back?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Boyhood: 11:02am On Oct 27, 2019
igbizen:

I have 500k savings and I need to borrow another 500k. Instead my 500k is given back to me @10% interest and another 500k @10% interest. The smartness there is that digitally you will be seeing ur 500k in ur account which you cannot touch until you have paid the debt completely. They argue that it is in the form of collateral

But in actual sense, the true collateral is tied to ur benefits. The company will pay cooperative first b4 they give you what is left, if you decide to leave the company.
But at the end of the financial year, you are paid dividend on the 500k you kept/as seen in your account right? If the dividend is up to 10% of the 500k then you have nothing to lose but if it's not, then the interest on the 1m loan can not be said to be 20% but rather lower than that, though more than the 10% perceived by your colleagues.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by igbizen(m): 11:20am On Oct 27, 2019
Boyhood:

But at the end of the financial year, you are paid dividend on the 500k you kept/as seen in your account right? If the dividend is up to 10% of the 500k then you have nothing to lose but if it's not, then the interest on the 1m loan can not be said to be 20% but rather lower than that, though more than the 10% perceived by your colleagues.
Don’t even talk about dividends. Thats another story for another day. When you don’t have financial education these FIs will play smart with you.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by eddyakinrinde(m): 11:25am On Oct 27, 2019
The attached for further information and clarification. Individuals are not barred from participating in NTB as said in some quarters;

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chuchucalgary: 11:41am On Oct 27, 2019
Boyhood:

But at the end of the financial year, you are paid dividend on the 500k you kept/as seen in your account right? If the dividend is up to 10% of the 500k then you have nothing to lose but if it's not, then the interest on the 1m loan can not be said to be 20% but rather lower than that, though more than the 10% perceived by your colleagues.

Dividends? Lol. Most cooperatives are run like a fief, where only the Excos call the shots. At times even to access such loans take months before one gets them. Someone with about 1.2m savings got just 53k as dividends, I don't know how many years it was.
Yes, some can be well managed and beneficial, but in the overall sense, I dont accept that cooperative is a sure way if one is to be financially prudent, it's usefulness will be for people who find it difficult to save.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ibechris(m): 1:23pm On Oct 27, 2019
igbizen:

Smartness- but as a knowledgeable guy in finance, you can outsmart them by not falling for it.

The terms were stated clearly 4% per month. So those that are not smart would look at only the 4% not knowing that they are paying 48% per annum(4% * 12months).

The same thing that happens in the cooperative at my place of work. The interest is 10%. But if you want to borrow 1million, you have to have 500k saved in the cooperative. So the 10% is charged on the 1 million you borrowed and you can’t touch the 500k you’ve saved until you pay the 1 million naira completely.

I was trying to educate my colleagues that the interest is actually 20%.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by partnerbizn4(m): 2:13pm On Oct 27, 2019
seye4nii:


Thank god my interest has drop after vetting because i was told by my account manager that cbn need to vet my name to be sure have not been taken loan so by 5pm i got the Alart of my interest which means all clear very funny will get ready for another vetting next week one of my TB 364 days will finished end of the month so another vetting time soon LOL thanking yo
u all for the information

I haven't heard about this vetting.

Which bank is saying that shii.?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by prolifik83(m): 3:16pm On Oct 27, 2019
ahiboilandgas:
48 percent that arm robbery
verify information before you comment, go online and see for yourself.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by IamR: 3:30pm On Oct 27, 2019
prolifik83:
verify information before you comment, go online and see for yourself.
Why can't you provide the information here? You are in the best position to educate us, and not just going on Google to seek information you can easily provide here.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Boyhood: 3:35pm On Oct 27, 2019
prolifik83:
verify information before you comment, go online and see for yourself.
4% per month, multiple by 12months of a year gives 48% per annum. What is there to verify again??

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Wickedtruths: 4:12pm On Oct 27, 2019
prolifik83:
verify information before you comment, go online and see for yourself.

Are you sure you have an idea of what you're selling?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 5:38pm On Oct 27, 2019
Wickedtruths:


Are you sure you have an idea of what you're selling?


The guy wan catch big fish grin grin grin
Make hin try next door.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 5:40pm On Oct 27, 2019
Boyhood:

4% per month, multiple by 12months of a year gives 48% per annum. What is there to verify again??
he doesn't know what he is selling

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by alezzy13: 6:14pm On Oct 27, 2019
eddyakinrinde:
The attached for further information and clarification. Individuals are not barred from participating in NTB as said in some quarters;

Which is OMO TB?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by eddyakinrinde(m): 7:46pm On Oct 27, 2019
alezzy13:


Which is OMO TB?

How are Treasury Bills different from OMO?

T-Bills and OMO (Open Market Operation) are similar and work almost the same way. Whilst T-Bills are issued to finance government budget deficit, OMOs are issued by the CBN for monetary policy management i.e. to control the volume of money in circulation. OMOs are also discount instruments in that you get your interest upfront but they can also be bought in the primary and secondary market. Depending on the objective and aggressiveness of the CBN per time, it might be possible to get higher rate on OMOs than T-Bills. OMO is also exempted from taxes. OMOs are issued at irregular intervals.

(Copied from Afrinvest securities tbills FAQ)

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by seye4nii(f): 9:30pm On Oct 27, 2019
partnerbizn4:


I haven't heard about this vetting.

Which bank is saying that shii.?

first bank and its a directive instruction from CBN that is what i was told

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by odimbannamdi(m): 10:27pm On Oct 27, 2019
ahiboilandgas:
currently firm are in neck to neck competition for the small margin left and unsubsidized product ...we currently move around 15m litres of aviation fuel annually .from 6m litres...but this firms borrowed billions to build a huge infastructure with petrol omport/subsidies bussiness as the main cash cow ....now pmb destroy their projection it will be like that for 8 years to come no body planned or predicted it ....some are already out of bussiness with billion in loan hanging with amcon like capital oil,D Jones ,spog etc other with distribution outlets (still surving)...others like falawiyo.rolling outlet with enyo to survive....dangote planing the final burial of the bussiness ...me am divesting into bdc ,tb ,property and a phd to survive the unsult....otedola out already moving to zenon power plant (more reliable),adenuga abandoning conoil to focus on glo ,first bank and beger,ifanyi uba divesting to senate......

I admire how informed you are sir. Nice one!
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by crowntoro(f): 8:14am On Oct 28, 2019
Hello everyone!!!!
I was at first Bank on Friday to invest in the secondary market but I didn't receive any alert so I came to the bank this morning and I was told that they were not able to verify that it seems they don't want people to be investing in T-bills again that there are a lot of rules guiding it now.
How true is this please??

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by enque(f): 8:30am On Oct 28, 2019
crowntoro:
Hello everyone!!!!
I was at first Bank on Friday to invest in the secondary market but I didn't receive any alert so I came to the bank this morning and I was told that they were not able to verify that it seems they don't want people to be investing in T-bills again that there are a lot of rules guiding it now.
How true is this please??

what exactly are they verifying?
What did they say the challenge was when you got there?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Just2endowed2(m): 8:42am On Oct 28, 2019
enque:


what exactly are they verifying?
What did they say the challenge was when you got there?

Let's discuss this

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 10:41am On Oct 28, 2019
It was stated here that central bank verifies if you are currently on any loan then you are not qualify to invest. So i understood, any better explanation is welcome

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by crowntoro(f): 11:48am On Oct 28, 2019
enque:


what exactly are they verifying?
What did they say the challenge was when you got there?
they said it didn't go through on that Friday that No secondary market transaction was made on that Friday
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by partnerbizn3(f): 1:49pm On Oct 28, 2019
Rates for today please. From any bank.

Any info?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DigitalMallam: 2:21pm On Oct 28, 2019
More facts are beginning to emerge for the reason behind CBN banned on OMO for Nigerians.
Reports has it that out of the $40billion external reserve, $17b belongs to foreign investors. Recall topmost on Emefiele's STI is keeping the exchange rate at 360 (avoid devaluation). Hence CBN want those that can bring in the $. And only allow banks in case foreign investors decide to sell at secondary mkt.
The effect of this is that corporate bodies and wealthy individuals will be forced to do TBill which will be offered at lower rates

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Mills55: 3:06pm On Oct 28, 2019
I went to Stanbic this morning and I was told that there's no more secondary market. I tried to inquire, I was told that it's from CBN. that one can only place order for primary market only for now.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by eddyakinrinde(m): 3:14pm On Oct 28, 2019
Mills55:
I went to Stanbic this morning and I was told that there's no more secondary market. I tried to inquire, I was told that it's from CBN. that one can only place order for primary market only for now.

So much confusion, the banks sef are not clear on the directives from cbn.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Viqtour(m): 3:15pm On Oct 28, 2019
Mills55:
I went to Stanbic this morning and I was told that there's no more secondary market. I tried to inquire, I was told that it's from CBN. that one can only place order for primary market only for now.
Same with Gtb and First Bank today.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Bennycollins: 3:40pm On Oct 28, 2019
The directive is very clear. OMO is simply secondary mkt. Don't be deceived or confused by anyone.
But Cbn is wrong. They should do background checkso to know those that have collected loans .
eddyakinrinde:


So much confusion, the banks sef are not clear on the directives from cbn.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by zamirikpo(m): 3:47pm On Oct 28, 2019
Mills55:
I went to Stanbic this morning and I was told that there's no more secondary market. I tried to inquire, I was told that it's from CBN. that one can only place order for primary market only for now.

U r on point, stanbic told me that there are restrictions on secondary market auctions becos the CBN is checkmating illegalities. But I was able to place an order for the primary market.

What I don't understand is, why they will allow us buy at the primary market and not at the secondary.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akin3891: 4:50pm On Oct 28, 2019
zamirikpo:


U r on point, stanbic told me that there are restrictions on secondary market auctions becos the CBN is checkmating illegalities. But I was able to place an order for the primary market.

What I don't understand is, why they will allow us buy at the primary market and not at the secondary.



This is getting serious n complicated, i understand that cbn is trying hard to block the big guns in order to boost the economy but it's getting back to us the little investors somehow. Secondary markets has always been my favorite because of the flexibility involves, hope they get things sorted soonest. Nov 7 is my nxt bidding,n i hope the ease we enjoy in investing in TBs continues, not this long time vetting

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by lilee2hot(f): 6:26pm On Oct 28, 2019
When is the date for the next Primary Market Auction? Thanks.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by toby4ever(f): 6:28pm On Oct 28, 2019
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