There is an aphorism that says that when a lie is told often it becomes "truth".

Another one says

"when water remains in the mouth for long it becomes saliva"

The PDP zoned the 1999 Presidency to the SOUTH that is the reality.

Alex Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo and was roundly defeated .
THE PRIMARIES TOOK PLACE IN JOS

Now here is the interesting bit.

The same Alex Ekwueme contested again in 2003 against an incumbent Obasanjo and was defeated by 2642 votes to 611 votes
It is anyone's guess where those 611 votes came from( Maybe Tom Ikimi can help)


Why is this important Some may not know or might have forgotten and so when we hear modern Eboe revisionists say they supported Obasanjo we need to set the record straight.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY PDP ZONING TO THE YORUBAS

Rather there was zoning to the south but within the PDP especially in the North there was sympathy to the SW. The Eboes did not share this sympathy but insisted on contesting.

Again in 2003 within the same PDP they insisted on contesting

It is important to contrast this behaviour within the same PDP to what they did in 2011 , 2015 when Goodluck Jonathan contested and also in 2019 when Kwankwaso,Tambuwwal Saraki etc contested.
In short they have always seen themselves as natural rivals and spoilers for the SW.
Back to 1999 the primaries were done and dusted in the PDP and Obasanjo won . He was not the choice of the Yoruba race rather Falae was. The Eboes voted against him(Falae).
We must recall that the Eboes voted against Abiola.

To my mind it amounts to cheap blackmail after the antics of Ekwueme to demand that the Yoruba do not contest against them.
Pray tell, what would have happened if Ekwueme defeated Obasanjo in PDP?
Did they recognize any TURN

We must set the record straight on this . They did not recognize the turn of the Yoruba and actively contested against it. It was their right and the Yoruba did not begrudge them that.
I challenge anyone to show any complaint by the Yoruba when Ekwueme contested
Any time the Presidency is zoned to the south the same competition will happen.
Do we say to Brazil when they get to the World Cup final to let their opponent win because they have won it before?

The Eboes have no moral basis to ask the Yoruba to cede anything to them . That is the height of dishonesty.
The Eboes like to pretend that the North is one and there should be no microzoning there but in the south they remember that there is SW,SS and SE.
Why do they not advocate for the Turns of the Tivs,Igala,Jukun,Nupe,Berom etc.

Yes there may be a good argument for an Eboe President but so far we have not heard it.
What we hear is a tissue of lies and revisionism

For the record the Eboes did not cede anything to Obasanjo whether in 1999 or 2003 . They contested and were defeated.
They would have a moral claim to a "quid pro quo" if they did not contest which is exactly what the North (please note we are talking PDP) did and that is why the North was aggrieved with Goodluck Jonathan's behaviour . Interestingly the Eboes never contested against Jonathan .

One thing we can say for certain. THE YORUBA DO NOT CARRY ANY MORAL BURDEN TO CEDE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO EBOES whether in PDP or any other party.

THe Eboes never supported a Yoruba presidency rather they fell in line after defeat

Thank you very much for this insightful truth.

I didnt know but now I know. This political fact is saved for posterity.

As far as 2023 goes, the only chance Ibo has is telling UN to declare them President by fiat.

All the noise about "its our son turn" is entering us in one ear and escaping out the other.

We know competition but we dont know what turn is.

MetaPhysical:
As far as 2023 goes, the only chance Ibo has is telling UN to declare them President by fiat.

All the noise about "its our son turn" is entering us in one ear and escaping out the other.

We know competition but we dont know what turn is.

We are not complaining, but we have decided that the North will continue to rule, who says El-Rufai is not qualified to contest, after all zoning is not enshrined in Nigerian constitution.

Thank u for dis post, one good thing about sw is that we always forget most of dis tinz n move on, but I guess its time we start to take note of some things.

You may want to kill yourself but we Nigerians stand with igbo president come 2023, for biafra we are against them but 2023 we are with igbo presidency yoruba Muslims cam go and die.

clarocuzioo:


We are not complaining, but we have decided that the North will continue to rule, who says El-Rufai is not qualified to contest, after all zoning is not enshrined in Nigerian constitution.

What's ur position on the point d OP raised?

MetaPhysical:
Thank you very much for this insightful truth.

I didnt know but now I know. This political fact is saved for posterity.

Well I can assure you that even if you did not know the elders know,historians know and crucially the politicians know. Many of those who voted at the 1998 PDP primaries in Jos are very much around and active.

THERE WAS NO PROSPECT OF THE YORUBA BURNING THE COUNTRY DOWN if Alex Ekwueme had won.

Politicians may be many unprintable things but they are not stupid.

Eboes did not vote for Abiola and they certainly did not support Obasanjo as they now try to pretend.
Perhaps the only time we have had an incumbent opposed within his own party was in 2003 when Ekwueme challenged Obasanjo. This speaks volumes about their attitude to the Yoruba and their political sagacity(??)

Wow!! Op this trend is a very eye opener for me, I never thought along this line.. everything you said is on point

Why are nyamuri flat.heads generalizing the north as one, but when it come to south, they suddenly remember SW/SE/SS.. if that is they case, we should propagate for the jukun,Kanuri,tiv,berom etc to govern the country

I have always said it, we core northerners will never support an ibo presidency.. let them keep deceiving themselves that its their turn

clarocuzioo:


We are not complaining, but we have decided that the North will continue to rule, who says El-Rufai is not qualified to contest, after all zoning is not enshrined in Nigerian constitution.

Gbam!!! These guys think we care about who is the president of Nigeria, we only want good leaders irrespective of tribe or religion provided things are moving well. BTW have El rufai declared officially, pls keep me posted

And the funny thing is that, these are the same set of people that instigated GEJ to dish the zoning formular and contest again, and all of a sudden they are niw talking about zoning

Their hypocrisy is so nauseating!! They think everyone is a fool.. we are patiently waiting for 2023

0monnak0da:

Well I can assure you that even if you did not know the elders know,historians know and crucially the politicians know. Many of those who voted at the 1998 PDP primaries in Jos are very much around and active.

THERE WAS NO PROSPECT OF THE YORUBA BURNING THE COUNTRY DOWN if Alex Ekwueme had won.

Politicians may be many unprintable things but they are not stupid.

Eboes did not vote for Abiola and they certainly did not support Obasanjo as they now try to pretend.
Perhaps the only time we have had an incumbent opposed within his own party was in 2003 when Ekwueme challenged Obasanjo. This speaks volumes about their attitude to the Yoruba and their political sagacity(??)

Solsix:

Gbam!!! These guys think we care about who is the president of Nigeria, we only want good leaders irrespective of tribe or religion provided things are moving well. BTW have El rufai declared officially, pls keep me posted

Boda why u dey lie now? Its obvious u guy r not building enough bridges hence u guys pretend u dont want d presidency.

0monnak0da:

Well I can assure you that even if you did not know the elders know,historians know and crucially the politicians know. Many of those who voted at the 1998 PDP primaries in Jos are very much around and active.

THERE WAS NO PROSPECT OF THE YORUBA BURNING THE COUNTRY DOWN if Alex Ekwueme had won.

Politicians may be many unprintable things but they are not stupid.

Eboes did not vote for Abiola and they certainly did not support Obasanjo as they now try to pretend.
Perhaps the only time we have had an incumbent opposed within his own party was in 2003 when Ekwueme challenged Obasanjo. This speaks volumes about their attitude to the Yoruba and their political sagacity(??)

I like that! This 2023 go really shake Nigeria and teach a lesson.

Hahahahha "we", who and who!?!? Continue deceiving yourself, is it us(core northerners) that will vote for nyamuri or the SW?

Any party that dares zone its ticket to SE is DOA!

Alaniyiokorausa:
You may want to kill yourself but we Nigerians stand with igbo president come 2023, for biafra we are against them but 2023 we are with igbo presidency yoruba Muslims cam go and die.

Nyamuri:
And the funny thing is that, these are the same set of people that instigated GEJ to dish the zoning formular and contest again, and all of a sudden they are niw talking about zoning

Their hypocrisy is so nauseating!! They think everyone is a fool.. we are patiently waiting for 2023

Funny enough they r d ones shouting d sw betrayed d south.

Solsix:

Gbam!!! These guys think we care about who is the president of Nigeria, we only want good leaders irrespective of tribe or religion provided things are moving well. BTW have El rufai declared officially, pls keep me posted

You contradict yourself when you say "GBAM!!".
Actually you care " That it is NOT a Yoruba". That is you mission in life.
You voted against Abiola for Tofa so this attitude of if "I cant have the baby divide it in two" , if we can't be president then let the North rule is not "consequential" on anything recent as you like to pretend.

IT IS AN ANCIENT HATRED

Some of us were around during the June 12 elections.

The truth is that 6 months to the election no one had heard the name Bashir Tofa in much of the south

Even today no one can say anything about him apart from the fact that he was a candidate and yet he swept the votes in the SE .

How do we explain that

The Eboes have always had the same attitude so please do not pretend that it is a new phenomenon

clarocuzioo:


We are not complaining, but we have decided that the North will continue to rule, who says El-Rufai is not qualified to contest, after all zoning is not enshrined in Nigerian constitution.

Who is the *we* that have *decided*?

Didnt know you people have been the ones deciding who becomes the president in Nigeria.

I'm in shock!

omenka:
Who is the *we* that have *decided*?

Didnt know you people have been the ones deciding who becomes the president in Nigeria.

I'm in shock!

Don't worry in2023 when El-Rufai becomes the president, you will know the we.

MetaPhysical:


I like that! This 2023 go really shake Nigeria and teach a lesson.

We are talking about a people that specialize in LIES.#

Unfortunately so many of our young people do not know the truth and when they hear lies everyday start believing them.

In 1979
The President Shehu Shagari
Vice President Alex Ekwueme( Eboe)
Senate President Joe Wayas( Cross River)
Speaker House of Reps( Eboe)
The Yoruba did not threaten to burn anything down
Still the Yoruba who were nowhere near the seat of power were accused of sabotaging ports in the east and marginalizing the SE.

The Eboes have always liked to be in the centre sharing the yam at ALL COSTS and often done so in a manner that spites the Yoruba . If you doubt this then examine this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

clarocuzioo:


Don't worry in2023 when El-Rufai becomes the president, you will know the we.

Who is we?


If we* were the deciders, Jonathan would have been reelected or Atiku would have been the president today.

Nyamuri:
Hahahahha "we", who and who!?!? Continue deceiving yourself, is it us(core northerners) that will vote for nyamuri or the SW?

Any party that dares zone its ticket to SE is DOA!

hahahah yoruba Muslim claiming core north, go and sit down pls from your Monika i know you are a yoruba Muslim, here we call them nyamiri( singular) and nyamurai (plural) so stop denying your people if crisis start now here in kaduna yoruba Muslims from kawo, mando and other Muslims dominated areas will be running down sabo and television for protection stupid two faces idiots.

Hahaha I always wonder who are these "we" they keep talking about! certainly not north and SW

This are the same set of "we" people that gave GEJ, Atiku, Saraki etc victory

omenka:
Who is we?


If we* were the deciders, Jonathan would have been reelected or Atiku would have been the president today.

omenka:
Who is we?


If we* were the deciders, Jonathan would have been reelected or Atiku would have been the president today.

Well, anybody is free to contest and test his popularity in 2023.

It is not an exclusive right of any region or person to contest.

So in 2023, Nigerians will look at the options presented to them and will vote accordingly.

Till then, stay calm, Farabale.

Hahaha that's how you always divert and swerve from a point if yr countered with a superior rebuttal.. I'm not the type that attaches myself by force like how u always claim SE/SS, even tho they have rejected you multiple types, I know ur 5% votes can't take you anywhere, hence the desperation to align urself with SS.. You shall remain second class citizens forever, ur even struggling for minority seat in PDP

I'm a full blooded northerner and I'm proud of it!! Go through my topics if you doubt me

Alaniyiokorausa:
hahahah yoruba Muslim claiming core north, go and sit down pls from your Monika i know you are a yoruba Muslim, here we call them nyamiri( singular) and nyamurai (plural) so stop denying your people if crisis start now here in kaduna yoruba Muslims from kawo, mando and other Muslims dominated areas will be running down sabo and television for protection stupid two faces idiots.

OP, remove the slight shades against the any tribe in your op (eg Igbos instead of Eboes) and change the topic to look like a query (like *did pdp really zone its ticket to the SW in 99?).

Let's see if we can give it more coverage.

It remained obscured to me, my reason for disliking the "eboes" type of politics.
But now I can see clearly why the eboes are perpetually on the start rung of the ladder of Nigerian politics after their first landing.

Since it's not just eboes and Yorubas in Nigeria and concession is not in the constitution, and has never been afore worked by the Eboes, may the better presented and popular people win according to the ballot boxes.
Outside the ballot boxes, the eboes should cultivate the idea of appeal rather than demand. Any political projection or project is a an appeal onto the people until it's fruition.
A successful eboe president would be one that has been seen and proven to be mindful of the dynamics of the social, economic, political and tribal sentiments of the Nigerian people.
The Eboe presidency is not as fraught with numbers as demanded by the election process, but more on the consciousness of the Nigerian people on an Eboe president and most importantly the consciousness of an Igbo man as the Nigerian president.

We are being presented with the premise;
IN 1999 PDP AND AD CEDED THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO THE YORUBAS AND SO THEY HAVE HAVE THEIR TURN. THE LEADING PARTIES SHOULD DO THE SAME IN 2023 FOR US

The problem is IT IS NOT TRUE, IT IS A LIE!!

If it were true how was Alex Ekwueme able to contest against Obasanjo in 1999?

as the Yoruba say

How do we manage to get 3 people to stand in twos?
The PDP ceded the candidacy to the south in 1999 just like they ceded it to the north 20 years later in 2019.
Among the 2019 contestants we had North central and North West with Atiku(North East) emerging winner

Nyamuri:
Hahaha that's how you always divert and swerve from a point if yr countered with a superior rebuttal.. I'm not the type that attaches myself by force like how u always claim SE/SS, even tho they have rejected you multiple types, I know ur 5% votes can't take you anywhere, hence the desperation to align urself with SS.. You shall remain second class citizens forever, ur even struggling for minority seat in PDP

I'm a full blooded northerner and I'm proud of it!! Go through my topics if you doubt me

get lost bloody bayarben banza,munafuki dan munafuka.

another Igbo thread..kilode now.

omenka:
OP, remove the slight shades against the any tribe in your op (eg Igbos instead of Eboes) and change the topic to look like a query (like *did pdp really zone its ticket to the SW in 99?).

Let's see if we can give it more coverage.

I respect your opinion but it is not a shade I am sorry if you think it is.

I did not invent the spelling.
You can research the etymology

It is not a query .
I think it is arrogant and disrespectful to say that. If it were a query would turn on whether Ekwueme contested of not ( a matter of factuality)
Did Ekwueme contest against Obasanjo in Jos? Yes orNo??

This year it was ceded to the North and we had Tambuwwal , Saraki ,Kwankwaso etc square up to Atiku.

Can we then say that PDP ceded the 2019 ticket to the NE

0monnak0da:
I respect your opinion but it is not a shade I am sorry if you think it is.

I did not invent the spelling. You can research the etymology
It is not a query . I think it is arrogant and disrespectful to say that. If it were query would turn on whether Ekwueme contested of not ( a matter of factuality)
Did Ekwueme contest against Obasanjo in Jos? Yes orNo??

This year it was ceded to the North and we had Tambuwwal , Saraki ,Kwankwaso etc square up to Atiku.

Can we then say that PDP ceded the 2019 ticket to the NE

Kai. Read my post again bros. Your blood dey hot. I said you should make the topic a query. That might make it slightly more attractive. And if you could replace the Yorubas in the title with South West, it would also make it look less tribal, hence more fp worthy.

omenka:
Kai. Read my post again bros. Your blood dey hot. I said you should make the topic a query. That might make it slightly more attractive. And if you could replace the Yorubas in the title with South West, it would also make it look less tribal, hence more fp worthy.

You are rude and unruly.
I should
And you are.........

I did not bring this here to win FP
I brought it here for intelligent folk.

One does not throw pearls to swine

It is

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN