Yujin:

How can you say the population of Igbos in their two major regions of origin be 17million? You clearly don't know the population distribution of Igbos.

Am just over exaggerating to show that the igbos cant be more than the others.its a best case scenario.igbos usually claim that half of igbos are outside igboland.but realistically they cant be more than 5 million igbos in the west and 5 mil in the north

Yujin:

Hello my guy. What's up?
To the topic, you're mistaking here. Igbos are indigenous to Cross River state and the Ibibios are the largest non-indigenes in the state.

Where in cross river are igbos indigenous to? Minus abi lga because i know all the villages there and none claim igbo.i can agree for obubra but there just a handful of villages

This is a very useless post,you counted hausanised ethnic groups as part of Hausa and still counted them again into separate ethnic groups. To be fair the most populated ethnic groups in Nigeria is Yoruba.

They are majority in 6 south west States, Delta,kogi,kwara even Niger state, then Hausa before Igbo's.

The 4th largest ethnic groups will be between ijaw, Fulani, Ibibio,Benin's, igala,kanuri

garfield1:

Am just over exaggerating to show that the igbos cant be more than the others.its a best case scenario.igbos usually claim that half of igbos are outside igboland.but realistically they cant be more than 5 million igbos in the west and 5 mil in the north

most of them have mental problem, igbos outside south east and south south are less than 5 million.

garfield1:

I agree.i only approximated or tried to exaggerate.out of the 9 lgas in kogi west,they dominate 7.bassa and one other lga which i cant recall are not igala dominated.what is the percentage of okun and ebiras

Igala - 40%
Ebira - 30%
Okun - 20%
Nupe offshoots (Bassa Nge, Kakanda) 3-4%
Others (Ogori, Idoma, Hausa, Bassa komo) 6%

Give or take.

scholes0:


Igala - 40%
Ebira - 30%
Okun - 20%
Nupe offshoots (Bassa Nge, Kakanda) 3-4%
Others (Ogori, Idoma, Hausa, Bassa komo) 6%

Give or take.

You absolutely right

I am amazed when people claim Igala is more than half of kogi

I have been to kogi on few occasions and I have noticed this might be a misconception.

Meanwhile, Oga garfield

Igala is kogi East not west.

Iamgrey5:
You absolutely right

I am amazed when people claim Igala is more than half of kogi

I have been to kogi on few occasions and I have noticed this might be a misconception.

Meanwhile, Oga garfield

Igala is kogi East not west.

The misconception stem from the fact that firstly Ebiras and Okuns never sit in the same boat on political issues. As a result, the igalas always deliver bloc votes for their candidates and most times will always win. Over the years this has been misconstrued by people to mean that Igalas are the majority in Kogi, when in actuality the Igalas are a plurality (single largest individual ethnic group in the state) but not a majority of the population. Just like Urhobos in Delta.
Tivs in Benue are a real majority, and can single handedly decide the fate of elections even if all the other ethnic groups vote against. Igalas can't single handedly decide the political fate of Kogi if Kogi central and Kogi west have a unanimous voice, but that might never happen.

This coming election will also show that same pattern.

garfield1:

Where in cross river are igbos indigenous to? Minus abi lga because i know all the villages there and none claim igbo.i can agree for obubra but there just a handful of villages

Those handful villages are what made them indigenous.

GODMALE:
most of them have mental problem, igbos outside south east and south south are less than 5 million.

I rarely respond to retarded people who cannot state their opinion without insulting others.

I enjoyed reading this posts, highly informative. Thanks to all the contributors.

garfield1:

Am just over exaggerating to show that the igbos cant be more than the others.its a best case scenario.igbos usually claim that half of igbos are outside igboland.but realistically they cant be more than 5 million igbos in the west and 5 mil in the north

Firstly, there are more Igbos in the north than in th West. The north is made up of three regions with lots of cities and towns where Igbos are found in huge numbers. You don't know this. Then in the SS states outside Rivers and Delta, Igbos presence is still huge. You don't know this too. The day a credible census will done in Nigeria, lots of people will die of heart attack.

Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

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Yujin:

Firstly, there are more Igbos in the north than in th West. The north is made up of three regions with lots of cities and towns where Igbos are found in huge numbers. You don't know this. Then in the SS states outside Rivers and Delta, Igbos presence is still huge. You don't know this too. The day a credible census will done in Nigeria, lots of people will die of heart attack.

You state this like you are 100% sure of it.
If Lagos for example is 25 million people, how we say for instance that Igbos are 20% of Lagos state, you know that is 5 million Igbos already in Lagos alone notwithstanding the other SW states. How many northern states will you have to put together to obtain 5 million Igbos?

scholes0:
Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

cc: Iamgrey5 , garfield1 , Nowenuse

Your submission on the Hausas is right

Many people often think it is the Fulani that are treating the Hausas unfairly, but they don't understand that Hausas themselves don't mind being treated that way as long as they are given a room to hide under the imperial Fulani rule of the core north to propagate their culture.

garfield1:


Please dont misunderstand me.i never said ibibios are indigenous to cross river,i said there the largest non indigenous tribe in cross river.the mistake you make is counting ethnicities only in their original homeland,no you must count areas they are settled in large numbers also.
ishans and ebiras cannot be up to 2 million.kogi was 3.2 million as of 2006.half of kogi is igala thats 1.6.leaving the okun and ebiras to share the remaining 1.6.if you estimate their growth rate at 2.6 % annually,they wont be up to 2 million.same applies to ishans.by estimation,edo should be 4.5 million now.half or more is made up of binis.the central where ishan inhabit has the least popupation so they cant be up to two million.

Please, do not use the population of a state to judge that of it's indigenes. It's wrong.

The reason is because, some people from certain states and tribes emigrate more than the others.

For example, if you take a census now in Benue state, you will discover that Tivs are like 80% of the resident population. However, if all the Idomas should return back home from Jos, Kaduna, Abuja, Lagos, PH e.t.c. I bet you, Benue would be like only 65% Tiv.
Idomas emigrate a lot far far more than Tivs who tend to be comfortable locally.


A large chunk of Kogi people do not live in Kogi state.
The number of Ebira & Igala people who live in Jos, Kaduna, Kano & Abuja is shocking.
After Igbos, Ebiras are the largest non indigenous group in Yoruba land to the extent that many of them have mixed with Yoruba indigenes in some southwestern states.
Many Yorubas do not know who Igalas are, but almost every Yoruba man down to the most rural areas are familiar with Ebiras because Ebiras are almost everywhere in Yoruba land farming.

Only the Ebiras in Yorubaland & Edo state are more than 1 million and this is something many people do not know.

Egburas (also known as Ebira Koto, Ebira Opanda) are the 2nd largest tribe in FCT, dominating Abaji LGA and also in Toto LGA of Nasarawa state.
Okene is the most populated LGA and town in Kogi state based on the last census. And apart from the Ebiras of Kogi central, you also have Ebira koto who are the dominant group in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs.

Here is another example.
Plateau state was twice the number of Nasarawa state in census. I always thought we were more than Nasarawa people in population, not until I saw the numbers of registered WAEC candidates based on state of origin and Nasarawa state was almost equalling Plateau state and in one particular year, they were even more than us. I was shocked. We go to school equally, so it can never be a question of Nasarawa people are more educated than us. That was when I remembered that so many people in Jos were Nasarawa indigenes even though we have blended together. Jos has been their capital for more than 30 years and many of them settled in Jos.
Many of them have also moved to Abuja to settle.
So, pls, never use the population of people's homelands to judge, it is wrong.


Lastly, there was a census, I think the one of 1923 or 1953 or thereabout (the last ethnic census we had by the British) and I saw it there that Esans were more than Benins in that census.
Many people overblow the Bini population because so many Esans have settled in Benin and adopted Bini, speaking it fluently. Esans emigrate far more than Binis and almost more than any other tribe of the SS. They may have only 5 LGAs, but believe me, they have population close to that of the Benins.

The same thing with the Afemais of Edo north (if you count them as one tribe). Infact, Afemais should even be more than the Benins if counted as one, but they are very divided.
Akoko-edo LGA is arguably the most populated LGA in the south-south that is not a city or part of a city. There are more than 40 towns in that LGA.

Binis cannot be up to 50% of Edo state, Lai lai.
Even 40% is difficult (very narrow).

Same thing with Igalas, they are not up to half of Kogi state. Ebiras & Okuns are all over Ilorin like no man's business. It was their state capital for almost 30 years.

scholes0:


Nope!

I agree with the rest.

scholes0:
Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

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what about the Benin's? Or are you saying there are more urhobo, ijaw, Ibibio than the Benin's?

scholes0:


You state this like you are 100% sure of it.
If Lagos for example is 25 million people, how we say for instance that Igbos are 20% of Lagos state, you know that is 5 million Igbos already in Lagos alone notwithstanding the other SW states. How many northern states will you have to put together to obtain 5 million Igbos.

I'm 100% sure of that. Just three states in the north would cover that population. You don't know the population distribution of Igbos. Outside Lagos and its satellite communities in Ogun state, where else in the SW do Igbos have such conspicuous presence?

garfield1:

Lgas are the best estimators.can you pinpoint the lgas nudes dominate in niger and the ones gwari dominate in niger and kaduna

Nupes dominate

Bida
Agaie
Lapai
Gbako
Katcha
Lavun
Edati
Mokwa & I think
Mashegu in Niger state

While Gbagyis dominate
Bosso
Chanchaga
Paikoro
Shiroro
Gurara
Munya
Tafa
Wushishi and parts of Suleja

While in Kaduna state, they only dominate Chikun
and are found in parts of
Kagarko &
Kajuru LGA.

Oh! They originally own Kaduna north & South LGAs, but hausas have stolen lots of it from them.
Then Birnin Gwari LGA were originally Gbagyi people but they accepted Islam long ago and today they have become Hausas.

Nowenuse:


Please, do not use the population of a state to judge that of it's indigenes. It's wrong.

The reason is because, some people from certain states and tribes emigrate more than the others.

For example, if you take a census now in Benue state, you will discover that Tivs are like 80% of the resident population. However, if all the Idomas should return back home from Jos, Kaduna, Abuja, Lagos, PH e.t.c. I bet you, Benue would be like only 65% Tiv.
Idomas emigrate a lot far far more than Tivs who tend to be comfortable locally.


A large chunk of Kogi people do not live in Kogi state.
The number of Ebira & Igala people who live in Jos, Kaduna, Kano & Abuja is shocking.
After Igbos, Ebiras are the largest non indigenous group in Yoruba land to the extent that many of them have mixed with Yoruba indigenes in some southwestern states.
Many Yorubas do not know who Igalas are, but almost every Yoruba man down to the most rural areas are familiar with Ebiras because Ebiras are almost everywhere in Yoruba land farming.

Only the Ebiras in Yorubaland & Edo state are more than 1 million and this is something many people do not know.

Egburas (also known as Ebira Koto, Ebira Opanda) are the 2nd largest tribe in FCT, dominating Abaji LGA and also in Toto LGA of Nasarawa state.
Okene is the most populated LGA and town in Kogi state based on the last census. And apart from the Ebiras of Kogi central, you also have Ebira koto who are the dominant group in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs.

Here is another example.
Plateau state was twice the number of Nasarawa state in census. I always thought we were more than Nasarawa people in population, not until I saw the numbers of registered WAEC candidates based on state of origin and Nasarawa state was almost equalling Plateau state and in one particular year, they were even more than us. I was shocked. We go to school equally, so it can never be a question of Nasarawa people are more educated than us. That was when I remembered that so many people in Jos were Nasarawa indigenes even though we have blended together. Jos has been their capital for more than 30 years and many of them settled in Jos.
Many of them have also moved to Abuja to settle.
So, pls, never use the population of people's homelands to judge, it is wrong.


Lastly, there was a census, I think the one of 1923 or 1953 or thereabout (the last ethnic census we had by the British) and I saw it there that Esans were more than Benins in that census.
Many people overblow the Bini population because so many Esans have settled in Benin and adopted Bini, speaking it fluently. Esans emigrate far more than Binis and almost more than any other tribe of the SS. They may have only 5 LGAs, but believe me, they have population close to that of the Benins.

The same thing with the Afemais of Edo north (if you count them as one tribe). Infact, Afemais should even be more than the Benins if counted as one, but they are very divided.
Akoko-edo LGA is arguably the most populated LGA in the south-south that is not a city or part of a city. There are more than 40 towns in that LGA.

Binis cannot be up to 50% of Edo state, Lai lai.
Even 40% is difficult (very narrow).

Same thing with Igalas, they are not up to half of Kogi state. Ebiras & Okuns are all over Ilorin like no man's business. It was their state capital for almost 30 years.

I wanted to insult you but I'm afraid mods will ban me. First of all you said ebira people in Yoruba land and Edo state will be close to 1 million? I'm sure you mean 98% of that 1 million will be from Yorubaland because ebira in Edo state won't be more than 50,000 if I'm been generous.

Second of alall you are trying to downplay Benin population saying esans and afemai are larger, let me educate you about Edo state.

Benin's are likely to be 60% of the state controlling over 50% of the state total landmass in general even in esanland(igueben) most esans regard them as Benin's because they are no difference.

You also try to say esans travel more than Benin's which is also false infact esans hardly travel, after igbos and Yoruba's Benin is the next ethnic group with highest immigration rate.

So it's an insult to Benin's to try comparing their population to esans and Edo north (even if you add all of them together).

sapoyoro:

yes..Lagos ijebus are majority Muslims.my mum family is one..
and ur second paragraph,Lagos ijebus are staunchly Muslims,it will be a long time before things like massively converting even happens..its one of the few last strongholds of Islam in yorubaland,thats how much serious they take the religion
Osun on the other hand? I don't see those ones as even serious religiously,you can be in church today and go to mosque tommorow and go to Ogun's shrine the 3rd day..and among osun people the rate of intermarrying BTW both religion is very high..but muslims are still the majority..slightly because more Muslims convert than xtians

Hmmm, Lagos ijebus staunchly muslim. This is interesting and surprising.

garfield1:

Yorubas are 50% 55 percent christians.not all indigenous tribes in lagos and ondo are yorubas but we classify them as yorubas due to yorubanization.infact,some historians claim that the ijebus and aworis were originally mot yorubas

Most Yoruba subtribes of today never identified as Yorubas before the British came. It was the British that carried out the merger. They classified similar people together when it suits their interests, while in places like mine (Plateau state), they divided all of us further, so that we will never be a threat to Hausa hegemony in the North.

Only Badagry people and the Ijaws and Edo speaking tribes in Ondo are not originally Yoruba.
Yes, true, many of them are identifying as Yoruba today, but these people are not very many. All of them combined are not up to a million.

scholes0:


Igala - 40%
Ebira - 30%
Okun - 20%
Nupe offshoots (Bassa Nge, Kakanda) 3-4%
Others (Ogori, Idoma, Hausa, Bassa komo) 6%

Give or take.

Dont you think ebira and okun are equal since both control 5 lgas.

Yujin:

Firstly, there are more Igbos in the north than in th West. The north is made up of three regions with lots of cities and towns where Igbos are found in huge numbers. You don't know this. Then in the SS states outside Rivers and Delta, Igbos presence is still huge. You don't know this too. The day a credible census will done in Nigeria, lots of people will die of heart attack.

I know this.can you give me a figure please

Nowenuse:

You are right on most of your points, but no census have ever shown esans to be more than Binis. Although Esans have more villages than the Edos, but Benin is a massive metropolis, and even though esans are now a prominent population within the Benis Metro LGAs of Ikpoba Okha, Egor and Oredo and even parts of Ovia North east, they are still no match for the Binis population wise.

You are also right about the ebira population in SW and Edo
Although realistically speaking Ebiras still can't be up to 3 million. assuming 1 million of them are in Kogi (Tao+Koto) their communities in Toto nassarawa) and Abaji (Fct) are few and scattered. 200,000 max.

garfield1:

You have to count them as so because all known laws globally supports it.now,an adult has a right to choose whichever name he wants to be called,change dates of birth arbitrarily.as far as one dwelled among a certain tribe for many years,aacculturated,speak same language and decides to be of that tribe,he is of that tribe.even in calabar city,most efuts and quas now identify as efiks.you cannot now change goal post in the case of the hausas because of religion.

You are making a mistake in your bolded.

The tribes of the north who are undergoing Hausanization do not live in Hausa land. They live on their own ancestral lands but hausa influence came on them.

It is only the fulanis of the Northwest who settled in Hausa land.

This whole fulani issue is just very confusing.
Even in the north-east, the fulanis there mostly settled amongst other tribes. It is just that the tribes in the northeast are too small and divided to influence fulani culture to change. However, some still do.

Atiku for instance claims to be from Jada LGA. That place is Chamba land and most of the fulanis there also speak Chamba.

As for the Bauchi tribes, so you mean a Gera christian who still speak Gera and believes he is Gera should be counted as Gera, while his distant muslim cousins who have been muslims and only speak Hausa should be counted as Hausas? It doesn't add up.

Or a Warji person who he and his parents only speak Hausa should be counted as Hausas while their grandmother in the village who can still speak Warji language should be counted as a Warji? Or should everyone be counted as Hausas even when they feel they are not?
Does it add up to you?

scholes0:
Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

cc: Iamgrey5 , garfield1 , Nowenuse

I agree with eeverything but lets leave the hausas as first,yoruba 2nd etc

Iamgrey5:
Your submission on the Hausas is right

Many people often think it is the Fulani that are treating the Hausas unfairly, but they don't understand that Hausas themselves don't mind being treated that way as long as they are given a room to hide under the imperial Fulani rule of the core north to propagate their culture.

Most urban Hausas are very pleased with the Hausa-Fulani tag (for various reasons). NW Fulanis are indifferent about it, while NE Fulanis lowkey abhor it. lol
I know this for a fact. Except people just want to pretend and bla bla bla.

scholes0:
Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

cc: Iamgrey5 , garfield1 , Nowenuse

Most of what you wrote is correct but as for saying 'realistically' Igbos will be the third largest is a big fallacy. The threat of the huge Igbo population was one big factor for the hate in the north in colonial times and even during the war. Igboland had by far the highest population density in sub-saharan Africa

garfield1:

Dont you think ebira and okun are equal since both control 5 lgas.

Ebiras control 4 LGAs in Kogi central. They are also like 40-50% of the population in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs. What of the ones in FCT & Nasarawa?

Wait, are you counting only Ebira taos as the Ebiras?

scholes0:


You state this like you are 100% sure of it.
If Lagos for example is 25 million people, how we say for instance that Igbos are 20% of Lagos state, you know that is 5 million Igbos already in Lagos alone notwithstanding the other SW states. How many northern states will you have to put together to obtain 5 million Igbos.

Your right.lets assume that igbos are 1 million in kano,500k in kaduna and 1.5 mil in the remaining northwest states.there cant be more than 5 million in the remaining northern states.igbos are not as many as speculated.there are ubiquitous,a loud and boastful minority outside their homeland which makes it seem as if there many but in reality its not so.again,there birth rate is low,almost all are monogamous compared to the hausas and yorubas

Nowenuse:


Ebiras control 4 LGAs in Kogi central. They are also like 40-50% of the population in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs. What of the ones in FCT & Nasarawa?

Wait, are you counting only Ebira taos as the Ebiras?

What of ogori magongo

garfield1:

Dont you think ebira and okun are equal since both control 5 lgas.

Okuns:
Yagba East
Yagba West
Ijumu
Kabba-Bunu
Mopa-Muro
Like 50% of Lokoja LGA landmass, although most definitely less than that for population prolly like 35%.

Ebiras:
Adavi
Okehi
Okene
Ajaokuta
Kogi (although this lga is a mix cause there is a small nupe spillover from lapai, Niger state, and also they call themselves Egburas not Ebira )

So the truth is that the Okuns even have more Landamass (By a lot) and more LGAs than the Ebiras, but the Ebiras are more than Okuns cause the Ebira homeland although smaller is more densely settled than Okun lands.