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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 11:13pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
JonDon12: Yorubas were originally predominantly muslim, but over the years, the heavy missionary works saw to the conversion of many Yorubas to christianity, this is why it is very common to see many Yoruba people with muslim surnames who are christian. Most Ondo, Ekiti, Kogi west and Ogun people have clear/overwhelming christian majority, while Lagos, Oyo, Osun & Kwara have muslim majority with a very strong christian minority like 35-40. How then can Yoruba be predominantly muslim? At worse it is a 50/50. Southern minorities are 98% christian while northern minorities are 70% christian. Which means all minorities in Nigeria are like 80% christian. And minorities constitute about 35% of Nigeria. Where is the muslim majority in Nigeria now coming from? See, muslims are dominating Nigeria today because 75% of the muslims in Nigeria have a common language (Hausa) and are directly/indirectly under the rule of the caliphate/emirate. This gives them their advantage. Unlike Nigerian christians who are 40% Igbo, 20% Yoruba, 15% southern minorities and 25% northern minorities with many different languages and denominations and affiliations. pazienza: 2 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 11:19pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Nowenuse: It is not 50-50. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It's closer to 60-40, if not worse. Ekiti and Ondo don't have overwhelmingly Christian population. The Yoruba Muslims there are quite substantial. You forgot Ondo is close to Northern Edo, which on its own is a Muslim enclave. I have been to rural Ondo, and they all have mosques littered all over the place. I will say Xtians in Ondo edge it by 65-35 to Muslims. But Muslims there are still substantial. Yorubas on the majority are Muslims. This is a reality one face once you visit rural Yoruba enclaves. 3 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 11:22pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Hmm. 3 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 1:12am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse:How can hausas in niger not be more than 10% when muazu babangida aliyu and lolo are hausas? Though the hausas are settlers but there many in niger state.the hausanised people of bauchi are up to 1 million.the fulanis of northwest have always been minorities,not up to 20%.removing them from hausas will make no difference.i had a bad day yesterday,i don't want to lash out at you.lets drop this |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by GODMALE: 4:03am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Yoruba's are the largest follow by Hausa then Fulani before Igbos. Fact |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by GODMALE: 4:08am On Oct 28, 2019 |
oilPUSSY:is that why igbos are now slaves in Nigeria begging for position and Biafra? Yoruba own una 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Iamgrey5(m): 6:45am On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza:Please keep lying to yourself Ondo has a Christian /Christian governor and deputy governor and have always have such. So please where are the large Muslim population in Ondo state. 2 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by orisa37: 7:45am On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza: Nothing concerns CIA with Nigeria Population. The ISIS(ISWA) figures are:- 1.Yorubas-----21 percent 2. Igbos---------17 percent. 3. Hausa--------14 percent. 4. Fulanis-------13 percent. 5. Ijaws-----------5 percent. 6. Tivs-------------5 percent. 7. Ibibios---------4 percent. 8. Bokoharam-4 percent. 9. Illegal Migrants from Niger & Chad(Fulani Herdsmen)---9 percent. 10. Others----------8 percent. It's relevant to say that items 8 & 9 voted with and for items 3 & 4 in previous Elections. The CIA is still working for Obama and the Democrats to DESTABILIZE NIGERIA. |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by mandarin: 8:10am On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza: Let me tell you what I know. There are several generations of Yoruba in the North in millions but many of them live directly within the Hausa communities. The recent generations together with the igbo live in secluded settlements. Because many Yoruba around Ogbomoso and kwara are enormous , a lot of them are muslims and culturally integrate. I've met Yoruba who are third generations in Katsina state. I'm not estimating for gainsaying but knowledge, there are more Yoruba in the north than igbo but in spread, may be more igbo because of trading. Whether Wunkari or Yola Yoruba people are there. Remember the crises that happened in Jo's and a lot of people complained that igbo were at the receiving end of losses, by the time the data was released, Yoruba people had more losses! Thinking that igbo would be the next minority in every state is a mirage! Yes, igbo and Yoruba are migrants but most postulated info on migration aren't correct. 4 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:30am On Oct 28, 2019 |
mandarin:It boils down to what i earlier.igbos are a loud minority which makes it look as if there so populous.it exaggerates their numbers.where you can find the highest concentration of igbos in the north is kano,kkaduna,abuja and plateau and there not more than 2 million there |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:31am On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0:Thank you for this sir 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:33am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Yujin:40 million hausas,38 million yorubas,34 million igbos |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:36am On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0:I agree.ebiras cant be up to 2 million 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:41am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse:Thank you for saying what many of us couldn't say.that loud nature is what exaggerates their population outside ibo land in reality there not so many just ubiquitous and makes their presence felt.late achebe in his book there was a country used similar words to describe them and this easily makes others to dislike or despise you.look at how they were arguing about my own state with impunity.igboland has the lowest concentration of non indigenes in nigeria yet they migrate the most,very ironical 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:49am On Oct 28, 2019 |
oilPUSSY:If we are to go by this colonial data,yorubas must have overtaken the ibos in population considering that over 2 million ibos died in the civil war,yorubas have a higher birth rate plus their large muslims population that breeds monogamy.according to that data,igbos were ahead of yorubas by less than 50,000.yorubas should be ahead now by over 2 million |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:51am On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza:Pazienza,i am disappointed.how cancel you judge through number of mosques |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by oilPUSSY(f): 10:05am On Oct 28, 2019 |
garfield1: If its not dyslexia, then you need glasses. Until you read my comments over and over again with pictures and and digest it, you won't stop running from pillar to Post seeking to understand what population growth and population decline is all about. Igbos are ahead of you.. Its a very sad reality you must accept or you can continue swimming in the ocean of deception to feel good. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by YourNemesis: 10:07am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Yujin: Oga, forget about any population records compiled before at least the 60’s. Yorubas were chronic census evaders in the colonial era because many didn’t want to pay “owo ori” aka govt tax! Rumors would spread around townships and villages that “awon agbowo ori” were coming to enumerate them and their families, and most ppl would hide themselves away, those who did get counted would understate the size of their families and property worth in general ... because you know... TAX! 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 10:10am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse: I don't know who the Eggons are. But Chukwu forbid we be compared to any group in the North. Pride and Arrogance ? I would say confidence. Cunningly? Far from it, an Igbo man is too obvious, direct and plain, that's even part of why we have problems in Nigeria. You must have confused us for another major Southern group known for this cunning trait. Discriminating and unaccomodatimg ? Another misrepresentation. If anything Ndiigbo are too accepting of people and alien cultures. Domineering? Maybe but it's usually through hard work and merit. Loud nature? Definitely. My people loud nature even makes me cringe. All in all, your post perfectly illustrates while Ndiigbo should stop looking for non existent allies in Nigeria and instead concentrate on becoming stronger internally. You lots both Xtians and Muslims are no different in your perception of Ndiigbo. ![]() 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by jimyjames(m): 10:17am On Oct 28, 2019 |
gidgiddy:Do you know how many local government the tiv occupy in Benue? Out of 23 local government in Benue the tiv occupys 14, besides that there are millions of tiv people in taraba, nassarawa, plateau state, and in Cameron the border between kwande benue state and Cameron |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 10:21am On Oct 28, 2019 |
oilPUSSY:Stark emptiness 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 10:24am On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza:That loud nature and domineering attitude are the biggest issues 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:28pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse: All of Kogis ethnic group migrate in heavy numbers without exception. Even okuns are plenty in the north. Just a random example is sirD of BBN from Mopa-Amuro but who speaks Hausa and grew up all his life in KD. Not even sure which he is more fluent in Yoru or Haus. 4 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 12:31pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0: That is why I used the word AS OF TODAY. Urhbobos used to migrate a lot in the past, even as far as Liberia, there was a huge Urhobo community there. However, most of them started coming back home to Delta from the 80s as their cities started to boom with oil money. I am from Jos and Urhobos used to be the largest non indigenous minority in Jos from the South. Igala land being an underdeveloped area without a large nearby city for a long time saw the emigration of Igalas all over the north and East. Igalas in the north & Abuja are like 700k or more. Since Abuja came close to them, they have invaded Abuja and I'm sure they are the largest non indigenous minority in Abuja now, although Idomas can give them a hot chase for this. Urhobos living outside Urhobo land are not more than 500k. If you doubt this, go to the largest Urhobo & Igala facebook groups. Check like 10 Urhobo & Igala profiles in those groups, you will see that like 8 in 10 Urhobos live in Delta state, while for Igala, it would be like 3-4 in 10 who live in Kogi. Mind you, Urhobos are not much in PH. Outside, Benin, Ajegunle & Jos. Hardly do you see Urhobos outside Delta. Where I lived in Benin close to Uniben (Ekosodin), Igalas were the largest immigrant group there outside the student population. 2 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:35pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza: Even Nowenuse who is practically Pro-Igbo is telling you the same thing and you are not reflecting. rather you are saying Chukwu forbid you being compared to Eggon as if you have three heads and they have 1. That is still part of the meaningless pride everyone is well aware of. Everybody regardless of religion, even staunch christians like yourself are telling you the very same things because there are elements of truth to it. Regardless, a Crossriverian from the Southeast, A Plateau man who grew up in the South, A Yoruba from the West and an Edo man from the Central-west have all said similar things on here and they are all not ringing any bells. Ndigbo are accepting of other cultures to profit off it in one way or the other. No Nigerian ethnic group is just simply 'accepting of other cultures' for the mere fun of it or for nothing. And No, they are not accepting of other people. At least not to the same degree as some other people within this general corner of Africa. 10 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:38pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
pazienza: Please what in the world is 'rural Yoruba'? Simply state where you lived in Yorubaland and let us discuss the religious peculiarities of the so called place. Take Ondo state for example, you will find mosques in Ikare town but won't find maybe even 1 in Ilaje local government or Ese Odo. Ondo and Ekiti are not 35% muslim like you fallaciously stated. I don't know how you manage to do it so effortlessly but you just seem to have this special ability to pull figures out of your bare black a.ss! Ondo has more muslims than Ekiti and Ondo is prolly around 20% islamic at most. 6 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 12:42pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0: Yes I am very much aware of this. A huge chunk of the Yoruba christians in the north are from Okun. You see this belt, Nupe- Okun- Ebira- Igala- Idoma. They migrate like nonsense. More than half of them live outside their homeland. But among them, I would say Ebiras have the highest. Ebiras have migrated and been living all over Yoruba land for a very long time in the rural areas, to the extent that these Yorubaland Ebiras have evolved a new unique identity for themselves. They are called EBIRA OLOKO. This is why when you say Ebiras are just 300k in the southwest, I just dey look you. Ebiras are the largest non indigenous minority group In Yoruba land, followed by Tapa (Nupes). You see a large chunk of Ebiras in Kogi state answering Yoruba names. These names usually came from Ebira Oloko influence through their returnees. Otherwise, how do you explain this? 1 Like |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:59pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse: I just said 300K because Ebiras in SW are mostly concentrated in Ondo,Ekiti and Osun. Not so much in Oyo, Ogun and Lag. But of course Lagos is cosmopolitan, who knows the number of Ebiras that might actually be living there. Ebira tao and Yoruba are adjacent tribes from the Akoko and from the Okun axis from three angles (west , southwest and north). then on the south with Afemai and east with river niger and then onwards Igala. Not that hard to see how influences might have diffused. Also many Yoruba loan words have crept into Ebira tao by association, like Iyawo (wife), Ijova (Ijoba) - (Government), Pataki (Important), Ajuwe (Description), Igbo (weed), Alasheju (oersabi).. it is unavoidable, just like how many Hausa words have crept into Egbura koto. 2 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:04pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0: Thank you very very much. This is what Pazienza, Johndon12 and their fellow Igbos refuse to understand. Times without number on nairaland, I have been accused of being an Igbo man because of how Pro-Igbo I have been. People like OilPUSSY can attest to this. If everyone are saying the same thing about you, then you are the one with the problem and not others. There is no possible way Hausas, Yorubas, Middlebelters and even Niger deltan tribes (the 4 of us are very different) can be saying the same thing about you guys, yet you guys prefer to call it hatred. My closest friend is a renowned Igbo scholar and many of them here know his name if I mention it. I always tell him that Igbos do not have an accomodating culture and that is why their region is the most homogenous region in Nigeria. Igbos are hostile and discriminating to strangers and you can see Pazienza exhibiting it here by saying no northern tribe should ever be juxtaposed with Igbos. See, Hausa-fulanis, in spite of how we complain about them. Their cities and towns are very very open and welcoming to foreigners and this is one problem that we even have in the middlebelt. Many middlebelt muslims have been born & bred and given life opportunities in Hausa land to the extent that they now love Hausas and intermarry regardless of whatever happens. See Yakubu Gowon who is from Plateau, even a christian but he was born and bred in Zaria. He had hausa mentality and this was why he was the perfect tool used by the core-north to gain the support of middlebelters against Igbos in the civil war. Till date, inspite of how Hausa fulanis fight our people, Yakubu Gowon will still preach one Nigeria. This is the way Hausas effortlessly unite all Nigerian muslims by accomodating them and culturing them, spreading their soft power. Instead of Igbos to learn from this, they keep on arguing pointlessly and emotionally that everybody hates them. Kano state has produced 2 non Hausa governors. A Nupe man from Niger state and a Bura man from Borno state have ruled Kano state. But among the Igbos, an Imo or Enugu man will not even be allowed to contest or rule Anambra, let alone a non-Igbo. 4 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 1:22pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse: The Northern dynamic is simple. As long as you accept islam and blend into the general culture , that's it. You become one of them. An Etsako, A Yoruba, An Igala, A Nupe, A Jukun, A Gbagyi, A Mumuye, A Tuareg, Even a Syrian can become 'Hausa' as long as they blend. Origin is useless to them. Yorubas too to a certain degree, but unlike Yorubas that are surrounded by sparsely populated tribes on two sides, the sea on one side (no other majority tribes in Nigeria has a coastline), and the unfortunate turn of fate of being 'brickwalled' by an international border on the final side, Igbos are completely surrounded by heavily populated tribes on ALL sides and still can't manage to coalesce a successful southern alliance like the Hausas have done in the north or even swell their numbers through ethnic conversion. If Yorubas were the ones in the central south east the rest would be story right now. 4 Likes |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 1:31pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
Nowenuse: The way people throw around millions in the Nigerian online space ehhn... you would think they were talking about thousands ni. Someone will just wake up one day and tell you there are at least 2 million Igbos in Kano and another 1.5 million in Kaduna ![]() Assuming Kano state was 10 million.... do y'all know what 2 million Igbos there means not even factoring in all other tribes of Nigeria. smh 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 4:29pm On Oct 28, 2019 |
scholes0: Lol! The entire Arab nations think Jews are evil, many Caucasian think same too, does it mean they are right? Far from it. The entire Nigeria ganged up against Ndiigbo once, so no surprises they all share similar sentiments about us. They are all on same boat, be they Christian, Muslim,SS, WW, NN or whatever. I said God forbid Ndiigbo be likened to groups up North, how exactly is that pride? We are simply different from them and they are different from us, in many many ways. We just want to be Igbo and not compared to anyone else in Nigeria. The idea of Ndiigbo being unaccommodating of others is a lie Igbophobic entities spinned and spread. Igboland post civil war was carefully and strategically stripped of FG and multinational corporations presence. What exactly will be bringing a non Igbo to Igboland? Most businesses here are indigenous and we try to employ our teeming youth population. The markets here are very competitive even for an Igbo, you can imagine for a non Igbo.The kind of business outsiders can do here are those we are not good at. Like Yorubas tailors control a sizeable market share of cloth sewing business in SE, Aba inclusive. When I was in Aba, my tailor was a Yoruba man, he has been there for years and own a very big shop. Then you have the Yoruba "Agbo" sellers . The Hausa with their Cow meat business are all over Igbo land as well. Our Land mass is small so land prices here even in rural Igbo villages are costly in comparison to other parts of Nigeria, so when you tell a non Igbo the price of land here to establish a business, he thinks you are deliberately trying to chase him away, when in truth the price is same for everyone in Igboland who wants to buy a land. The realization of how cheap lands are outside Igboland is one of the reasons that drive the Igbo ultra drive in buying landed property outside Igboland, which envious natives would turn to Igbo man trying to dominate and rule them, once they (Indigenes) were done embezzling the money they got from land sales. Nevertheless we have Hausas and Yorubas here, and we don't kill visitors like they do in North over religious issues, neither do we carry placards asking visitors to leave like they do in Lagos, unless in case of Fulani herdsmen whose killing spree all over Nigeria is well known. Our leaders don't threaten visitors with drowning in the lagoon as well or use touts to bully them from voting in elections. Yet we are supposed to be the intolerant ones, right? Clap for yourselves, of course we are not as accommodating as other Nigerians if the above is your definition of accommodation. 19 Likes 5 Shares |
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