Kpoikpoi:
Number 11- They removed me because I was a very arrogant and unapproachable governor.

NGpatriot:



It's the government's job to regulate, make and enforce environmental laws. Only negligent, incompetent and irresponsible governments sit around while people destroy the environment because of lazinness, greed, and sabotage.

Ambode was naturally incompetent, ill-equipped and out of focus, Fashola's exit exposed his incompetens and lack of preparedness which led to a total breakdown of physical and environmental infrastructure.

The roads collapsed and left to rot, refuse pilled up all over the state, total abandonment of ongoing projects from waste management to schools, housing estate, waterworks, hospitals, metro rail, 4th mainland and so on.

There's a reason why Lagossians didn't shed tears or raise a finger to save his lazy ass..

100

Very cheap blackmail. The man is an slowpoke. He is from Ondo State. Aregbesola is now a minister while Osinowo is now a senator ( Lagos East).

MetaPhysical:


You have a warped understanding of a Governor's role. This is possible because these Governors fail to stay within boundary of their roles and always step-over into roles reserved for Commissioners and Council Chairmen. This ego-trip, common amongst Governors, have turned out to inform the public wrongly on the expectations of Government and its Chief Executive.

No Governor should be executing road inspection and commissioning. Never, ever! We are grossly in a retrograde society.

Let me coach you a little my brother...
Under military administrations, Governors were usually in rank of Lt. Colonels. In military formations, Lt. Colonel is Commander of a Batallion. A batallion is less than the population of a city. In military structure he is a task master. In other words, a field officer.

The civilian administrations we have had since 1999 are still observing Military Governor traditions of acting as Field Officers. A civilian Governor is executive, the equivalent of a General in Army. Generals command multiple batallions and are political administrators, not field officers like Lt. Colonels. Our civilian Governors need to transition away from being Field Officers and become true EXECUTIVES. Jobs such as inspecting roads and making sure roads are done belong to Commissioners, LG Chairmen.

You have the liberty to misunderstand the role of an Executive Governor because you lack understanding in the root of the issue or how and why our Governors became project managers....like Fashola for instance visiting Ladipo Market to force them to clean the environment they are in and make money in. Very stewpid move on the Governors part. Were there no space in Jails around Lagos?

This is nothing but semantics, it makes no difference who is inspecting or not inspecting, as long as an eye is kept on taxpayers funded projects. Who cares really?

Leaving the society to their own cleaning and environmental devices is just irresponsible and total abdication of duty because people won't clean, people will litter, people will dump refuse and hazardous materials everywhere.

This is why governments create environmental agencies like EPA in the US and LASEPA in Lagos to regulate and enforce environmental laws.

Go and litter in Texas, the government will take $500 or up to $2,500 from you or send you to jail.

It's ok to purvey your own personal opinion, but your opinion is not rooted in reality and Public Administration 101, it's like saying that we should not have a police force to curtail crime, arrest criminals or enforce laws because people know not to commit crime when in fact knowing the difference between right and wrong is irrelevant because people still commit crime regardless.

kayusely70:
Very cheap blackmail. The man is an slowpoke. He is from Ondo State. Aregbesola is now a minister while Osinowo is now a senator ( Lagos East).

Stop reading meaning into that article. Its fake

NGpatriot:



This is nothing but semantics, it makes no difference who is inspecting or not inspecting, as long as an eye is kept on taxpayers funded projects. Who cares really?

Leaving the society to their own cleaning and environmental devices is just irresponsible and total abdication of duty because people won't clean, people will litter, people will dump refuse and hazardous materials everywhere.

This is why governments create environmental agencies like EPA in the US and LASEPA in Lagos to regulate and enforce environmental laws.

Go and litter in Texas, the government will take $500 or up to $2,500 from you or send you to jail.

It's ok to purvey your own personal opinion, but your opinion is not rooted in reality and Public Administration 101, it's like saying that we should not have a police force to curtail crime, arrest criminals or enforce laws because people know not to commit crime when in fact knowing the difference between right and wrong is irrelevant because people still commit crime regardless.

Again, a blunder from you! It matters a great deal. I will repeat myself....citizens owe it to themselves to have a clean community. A governor or commissioner or LG chairman should never be chasing after people to clean their own sorrounding.

Bro, where are you from? Please share what state your origin is. I feel like Im talking to a pig. Why does governor have to tell you to clean your sorrounding?

MetaPhysical:


Again, a blunder from you! It matters a great deal. I will repeat myself....citizens owe it to themselves to have a clean community. A governor or commissioner or LG chairman should never be chasing after people to clean their own sorrounding.

Bro, where are you from? Please share what state your origin is. I feel like Im talking to a pig. Why does governor have to tell you to clean your sorrounding?

Before going any further, what's your point really? That the citizens can supervise themselves and no government action or involvement is needed when it comes to the environment and sanitation?

MetaPhysical:


Thats not true!

There is a video on internet done about filth in Lagos. It was done prior to Ambode. Lagos has more demand on it than it can manage in sanitation, road safety, fire safety, health and wellness, community planning. This is the truth.

It is possible to keep Lagos spotless and well sanitized. Many people will go to jail and serve as lessons for other violators before we can get to that point. Lagos State has sanitation law that dates back to 1940s, and they are still very valid. If govt executes and enforces them the jails will fill up in one day of operation alone. Many houses and shops will also stand to be condemned and demolished. Govt can do that. Can citizens accept that outcome?

You are right bro. Lagos can be put in other but it requires a political will from the actors.
Sometimes, I wonder why those molue and danfo buses are still plying Lagos road cus they constitute an eyesore. Does it mean that the actors cannot phase them out and introduce something better?
Many things are wrong in this country.

MetaPhysical:


Thats not true!

There is a video on internet done about filth in Lagos. It was done prior to Ambode. Lagos has more demand on it than it can manage in sanitation, road safety, fire safety, health and wellness, community planning. This is the truth.

It is possible to keep Lagos spotless and well sanitized. Many people will go to jail and serve as lessons for other violators before we can get to that point. Lagos State has sanitation law that dates back to 1940s, and they are still very valid. If govt executes and enforces them the jails will fill up in one day of operation alone. Many houses and shops will also stand to be condemned and demolished. Govt can do that. Can citizens accept that outcome?

Shior, Ambode goofed on that vision scape/ Lawma faceoff, and that useless BRT lane he constructed on Oshodi/ Abule egba area.
Did you know what people of that area go through, before Ambode was booted out, and are still going through now.
The road is already narrowed and Ambode still went on to carve a BRT lane out of it, more than ten people died last December just trying to get to their homes after closing from work, they all died inside go slow, people are still laying curses on Ambode everyday in that area.
An insensitive man like Ambode have no bussiness governing a crowded place like Lagos.
And that his useless task force that goes out even on Sundays to seize people's wares in the market, it shall NEVER be well with them and Ambode.

Anti People Congress.


Na dem!

NGpatriot:


Before going any further, what's your point really? That the citizens can supervise themselves and no government action or involvement is needed when it comes to the environment and sanitation?

I'd really like to know this also because he is writing a load of twaddle here while insulting others with name-calling. He normally makes sense and I can only imagine a compromised sense of reasoning on this occasion due to some personal or ideological devotion to Ambode. Simple fact someone of MetaPhysical intelligence should appreciate that no major city of the world, with far smaller population and a more organised people, leaves cleaning of public place to the "community' as he ridiculously claims. Is it London, New York, Paris, Milan, Berlin, Mumbai, Cape Town, Accra, Munich? Which one exactly?

I own a UK property and the local council is responsible for cleaning roads, public space, Parks, rail stations, public toilets et al and taking away my rubbish while I am personally responsible for space around my property i.e driveway and Garden.

The statement below is simply incredible and an indication we stand logic on its head in Nigeria merely because responsible leaders are forced to take unusual measures to combat corruption and lack of funds for what should be government's role and duties. Environmental day, for example, where the public come out to clean in Lagos, is not the norm in the world. It is the exception because the massive population of 20 million in the smallest State in Nigeria, i.e cash-strapped Lagos, has created abnormally huge challenges that requires innovative solutions and approach. For example, there is no regular environmental day in London and never has been for my decades-long association with the City.

No one should make the statement below as if it is a fact when similar is not the case for any major city of the world where people pay their taxes and expect Government effort to match challenges the States/Cities face such as keeping public space clean and pollution-free. When it was adjudged that the air in central London was highly polluted and threatening the health of Londoners, the office of the Mayor introduced the ULEZ charge ( the ultra low emission zone charge) of £12.50 per day for only diesel vehicle that enter the zone in central London. This is a massive disincentive for diesel vehicle to enter the zone and this then helps to keep air pollution down. Government did not put the onus on citizen to suddenly make the problem go away and keep London air cleaner !!!!!

Government of modern cities keep public space clean under normal circumstances not citizens even as citizens can help from adding to the problem by refraining from acts such as littering and public defecation. Unless of course MetaPhysical is talking of the most rural of Villages then I don't see any sense in his statement below let alone be calling others "Pigs" in relation to his factually wrong argument.

citizens owe it to themselves to have a clean community

NigeriaIsDoomed:
You are right bro. Lagos can be put in other but it requires a political will from the actors.
Sometimes, I wonder why those molue and danfo buses are still plying Lagos road cus they constitute an eyesore. Does it mean that the actors cannot phase them out and introduce something better?
Many things are wrong in this country.

Well, don't we already call Buhari a dictator? It's because of his high-handedness. People do not want to be bothered to demonstrate a disciplined lifestyle outwardly. When govt enforces discipline then people react by crying foul. Buhari does not know how to govern, he knows how to rule. He is lucky and smart, he sorrounded himself with people who are veterans and smarties of governance....they prop him up.

For political expediency, Governors and LG Chairmen do not rule with high-handedness, typically they run a middle course and when they feel their pressure is producing an unfavourable public outcry they lean back and relax. They want to be popular so when they meet the people again in future for support they will not be abandoned for opponent. Governance is tough.

Particularly in Lagos, it is not just the Governor that looses if his policy pushes the people away....the party also looses. Hence, the party rules Lagos and they put a proxy in Governor seat to execute their policies as a priority....but they also recognize the need of the individual to be a leader in his own right, so they accomodate the Governors plans for growth. In the end, a harmony between the two interests is what moves Lagos forward.

In the case of Ambode, the party recognized and acknowledged his competency as a Governor and a well rounded performer. He was implementing policies out of order. For instance, the Epe development was not due for implementation but he did it. He was not listening to them. They even admitted that their Governor was not reachable, he does not respond to them. This is reason for replacing him. When you vote Governor the party name and symbol is on ballot, not name of the candidate. They wanted him out long ago but could not get him out, they did not have the power to do so. They waited for primary to defeat him, the party owns the primary and the election. They do not deny his abilities and capabilities, they just do not want a Governor that would go against the establishment. APC in Lagos is an establishment, it is different than APC in other states. APC in Lagos is fully enmeshed in Govt bureaucracy. PDP will find it difficult to Govern Lagos even if they won the race for Governor. Let me put it this way...Lagos State Secretariat in Alausa is APC Secretariat, period!

Oshigun:


I'd really like to know this also because he is writing a load of twaddle here while insulting others with name-calling. He normally makes sense and I can only imagine a compromised sense of reasoning on this occasion due to some personal or ideological devotion to Ambode. Simple fact someone of MetaPhysical intelligence should appreciate that no major city of the world, with far smaller population and a more organised people, leaves cleaning of public place to the "community' as he ridiculously claims. Is it London, New York, Paris, Milan, Berlin, Mumbai, Cape Town, Accra, Munich? Which one exactly?

I own a UK property and the local council is responsible for cleaning roads, public space, Parks, rail stations, public toilets et al and taking away my rubbish while I am personally responsible for space around my property i.e driveway and Garden.

The statement below is simply incredible and an indication we stand logic on its head in Nigeria merely because responsible leaders are forced to take unusual measures to combat corruption and lack of funds for what should be government's role and duties. Environmental day, for example, where the public come out to clean in Lagos, is not the norm in the world. It is the exception because the massive population of 20 million in the smallest State in Nigeria, i.e cash-strapped Lagos, has created abnormally huge challenges that requires innovative solutions and approach. For example, there is no regular environmental day in London and never has been for my decades-long association with the City.

No one should make the statement below as if it is a fact when similar is not the case for any major city of the world where people pay their taxes and expect Government effort to match challenges the States/Cities face such as keeping public space clean and pollution-free. When it was adjudged that the air in central London was highly polluted and threatening the health of Londoners, the office of the Mayor introduced the ULEZ charge ( the ultra low emission zone charge) of £12.50 per day for only diesel vehicle that enter the zone in central London. This is a massive disincentive for diesel vehicle to enter the zone and this then helps to keep air pollution down. Government did not put the onus on citizen to suddenly make the problem go away and keep London air cleaner !!!!!

Government of modern cities keep public space clean under normal circumstances not citizens even as citizens can help from adding to the problem by refraining from acts such as littering and public defecation. Unless of course MetaPhysical is talking of the most rural of Villages then I don't see any sense in his statement below let alone be calling others "Pigs" in relation to his factually wrong argument.

In those places you mentioned, people do not throw thrash all over. We are not talking about waste....we are talking about FILTH! The two are not the same.

Govt is responsible for removing waste, people are responsible for cleaning their filth. Please rewind and follow the thread. The point made was on filth, not waste.

Truth is like pregnancy, it may take time to show but it must surely come out one day for all to see.....

MetaPhysical:


You have a warped understanding of a Governor's role.

No he doesn’t. If anyone has a warped understanding, it’s you brother.

MetaPhysical:


In those places you mentioned, people do not throw thrash all over. We are not talking about waste....we are talking about FILTH! The two are not the same.

Govt is responsible for removing waste, people are responsible for cleaning their filth. Please rewind and follow the thread. The point made was on filth, not waste.

Wrong again. Where do you live? In New York for example, the government cleans the filth in public spaces. The government is responsible for the upkeep of public spaces, whether waste or filth.

NGpatriot:


Before going any further, what's your point really? That the citizens can supervise themselves and no government action or involvement is needed when it comes to the environment and sanitation?

The guy has been writing a whole lot of nothing. It’s funny.

MetaPhysical:


In those places you mentioned, people do not throw thrash all over. We are not talking about waste....we are talking about FILTH! The two are not the same.

Govt is responsible for removing waste, people are responsible for cleaning their filth. Please rewind and follow the thread. The point made was on filth, not waste.

You're simply shifting the goal post to suit your flawed argument. You cannot be clever by half with me. Below is your post reproduced for all to see where you make it crystal clear citizens should clean their environment. I made it clear it is not the duty of citizens to clean their environment in major Cities and States of the world with public administration in place such as Lagos. It the the duty of the Government. Citizens can help by not littering and acting irresponsibly to add to the waste to be cleaned by Government agencies formed and deployed to do so.


What you mean below is not vague and not at all statements you can hide behind the banner of "filth". You say citizens should "clean their own surrounding". They should not. Government must do that as this is what people pay taxes for. Simple as that and you don't have to craft facetious arguments to support your partisanship towards Ambode.

Lagosians merely have the duty of helping to keep their surrounding clean by refraining from irresponsible actions that produces more waste than can be cleaned efficiently by the Government.

Again, a blunder from you! It matters a great deal. I will repeat myself....citizens owe it to themselves to have a clean community. A governor or commissioner or LG chairman should never be chasing after people to clean their own sorrounding.

Bro, where are you from? Please share what state your origin is. I feel like Im talking to a pig. Why does governor have to tell you to clean your sorrounding?

MetaPhysical:


Shut up and stop repeating rumour mill you picked up on internet.
Lagos roads are always in need of maintenance. If you repair a road completely today by next morning, 24hrs after, it is already showing sign of degradation. Why? The number of roads that ply Lagos roads in a day, roads in some States in Nigeria do not get that much traffic in a year. The material we use for road that support 1 million traffic a day is the same we have used back when traffic was only 20,000 a day, and even back then they needed continous maintenance. So it;'s like demand on the road has surged but we kept using the same material to surface the road. We need a change in material and better traffic routing and management.

Dont let me hear you repeat that nonsense about a Governor in Lagos doing bad job about roads. No Governor of Lagos, beside General Mobolaji Johnson, has ever or will ever contain bad road problem adequately. Never....unless we come up with a different design and strategy for road usage. Road condition should be excluded from a Governor's performance in Lagos.

I stand by my write-up.

jumobi1:


Wrong again. Where do you live? In New York for example, the government cleans the filth in public spaces. The government is responsible for the upkeep of public spaces, whether waste or filth.

Let me ask you a question because looks like people are shifting goal posts here.

First, did you follow the thread from beginning?

Second, we talked about road maintenance and why citizens should harrass contractors, not governors.

We then jumped into filth. Can you say to the world the reason Fashola was in Ladipo Market....was it about waste, or about filth?


Lets keep focus at home and stop bringing japan and china into this.

Cajal:
..u want to kill him politically patapata by insinuating all these
Arrogance and sole administrative style removed him in office
Argue with facts

I like your assertion here bro, only a fool will say wike of rivers State didn't support pdp elections in othe states.


Arrogance killed that man...fact!

Oshigun:


You're simply shifting the goal post to suit your flawed argument. You cannot be clever by half with me. Below is your post reproduced for all to see where you make it crystal clear citizens should clean their environment. I made it clear it is not the duty of citizens to clean their environment in major Cities and States of the world with public administration in place such as Lagos. It the the duty of the Government. Citizens can help by not littering and acting irresponsibly to add to the waste to be cleaned by Government agencies formed and deployed to do so.


What you mean below is not vague and not at all statements you can hide behind the banner of "filth". You say citizens should "clean their own surrounding". They should not. Government must do that as this is what people pay taxes for. Simple as that and you don't have to craft facetious arguments to support your partisanship towards Ambode.

Lagosians merely have the duty of helping to keep their surrounding clean by refraining from irresponsible actions that produces more waste than can be cleaned efficiently by the Government.

I dont write spontaneously, my ideas are well thought out before I post.

Environment, community, sorrounding...are all synonymous words to describe space in relative proximity.

Im going to ask you same question i posted in my last comment.

When Fashola visited Ladipo Market, what did he tell them to do...and why was he there?

Why did he not tell state agent, LAWMA, to clean that environment?

The same reason he told the traders to "CLEAN THEIR FILTH"....im saying here it is not govt job to clean filth. People are responsible for their own cleaning of their environment, community and sorrounding.

Govt removes waste.....not clean filth.

Dude, im doubting your understanding....i believe you hold waste and filth to be same thing. Is that so?

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Demzlent:
Why I was removed as Governor*

1) I constructed 22 roads in Alimosho and refused to award any of the contracts to Aregbesola and co.

2) I insisted that contracts that had been awarded to party leaders under Fashola must be executed before they can be awarded new contracts under my regime.

3) I wanted to phase out Danfos and Area boys from the streets of Lagos and introduce smarter means of transportation without Area boys and Agberos.

4) I refused to pad the budget with 10% for house of assembly members led by Bayo Osinowo and Mudashir Obasa.

5) I refused to grant the concession of 4th mainland bridge to Tinubu’s Hitech

6) I refused to increase the amount of money being paid from the state revenue to Tinubu through Alpha Beta from 10% to 20%

7) I developed Epe. Epe was never in their master plan.

� I refused to support Aregbesola and Bayo Osinowo’s senatorial ambitions because they are not Lagosians.

9) I refused to use Lagos state funds to finance osun elections.

10) I opposed Tinubu’s succession plan, which will see his son Seyi Tinubu becoming the next Governor of Lagos state after me.

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And you're crediting these to Ambode? Continue lieing you hear?

MetaPhysical:
I will say this to all people in Lagos that expect Governor to fix roads. Infrastructures in Lagos is awarded to contractors. It is not Governor that fix your roads, it is contractors that fix your roads. These contractors post their company name and sign on a board when they start work. Take a picture of it. When your road start to go bad these are the people you should responsible. If they collected 10million for a road but spend 1million and the road does not last, it is not the Governor's responsibility. The contractor is liable. So come online, and instead of bashing Governor, start posting the contractor name and bash them. In fact, ask for contractors that do bad job to be blacklisted from Government contract. This is how you improve your community and its roads, if you are serious!

How do you expect the communities to oversight contracts there not empowered by to do. Moreover, the communities are usually privy to how the contracts were negotiated and awarded. The Executive Governor has a job to do supervising and tracking implementation of budgetary allocation for possible intervention where necessary. The community can only give information to the governor on vital issues if they have access to him. The bucks stops on governor's table.

*So fashola will awarded contract and they will do it say something else.
*they even dirty the Lagos for you not gotten second term.
To Omode ba semi tan ani emo se oun

festacman:

How do you expect the communities to oversight contracts there not empowered by to do. Moreover, the communities are usually privy to how the contracts were negotiated and awarded. The Executive Governor has a job to do supervising and tracking implementation of budgetary allocation for possible intervention where necessary. The community can only give information to the governor on vital issues if they have access to him. The bucks stops on governor's table.

Im addressing people that can understand values and a need to establish BEST PRACTICE.

MetaPhysical:


In those places you mentioned, people do not throw thrash all over. We are not talking about waste....we are talking about FILTH! The two are not the same.

Govt is responsible for removing waste, people are responsible for cleaning their filth. Please rewind and follow the thread. The point made was on filth, not waste.

Every society has its nuances. If our society is struggling with proper disposal of refuse for government to clear, then it is up to government to brainstorm on how best to create a system that works for our society. Lifting models developed to meet the needs and nuances of another society and applying them in our society may run short unless there adaptations and modifications.

MetaPhysical:


Im addressing people that can understand values and a need to establish BEST PRACTICE.

A knowledge, theory or perspective that is so esoteric that it cannot be easily and widely shared is not worth the ear of any rational person.

festacman:

Every society has its nuances. If our society is struggling with proper disposal of refuse for government to clear, then it is up to government to brainstorm on how best to create a system that works for our society. Lifting models developed to meet the needs and nuances of another society and applying them in our society may run short unless there adaptations and modifications.

Well, rewind back to my post where I already said Lagos is dealing with far more population density and pressure than its facilities are designed to tolerate. So in the end infrastructures and amenities collapse under the burden of excessive usage.

We cannot blame a Governor for half of these issues.

Can we blame a Governor for allowing population to surge uncontrollably into Lagos? They stopped a truck with migrants and motorbikes the other day. In the end thy had to release them.

Can we blame a Governor for blocked drainage filled with empty beer cans and gala wraps and nylon shopping bags?

The state had environmental sanitation days. A resident sued and got court ruling to stop it. Citizens cheered the ruling. Whats a governor to do?

Very few people understand how government currently work....how government is supposed to work....and how to close tha gap so government is working as very close as possible to a set of benchmarks. This is the ideal of BEST PRACTICE.

I count myself in that very few.

Citizens must not submit all their to-do list to government. If we do, the drive to rise "responsibly" against government becomes an expensive item and we will not be able to find it on the to-do list when we need it.

This is exactly the situation in Lagos now.

The spirit to oppose the excesses of Tinubu is there but the drive is not....because we already surrendered the governance of our own communities to the State, and when we did our drive for self-preservation went with it.

festacman:

A knowledge, theory or perspective that is so esoteric that it cannot be easily and widely shared is not worth the ear of any rational person.

It can be shared as a lesson....but it cannot be taught as a culture. Values are groomed.