Numbers are what makes India great at the same time making it not so great!

Mkenya2019:
Goel,
Looking like Indian is very similar to Africa - the indian middle belt - nearly equal as poor.

Just like the way you described West African home designs as lacking the 'oomph' I'd say that most Kenyans would describe India in the same way. Ok,we are not giants or worldbeaters but then again,India? Pass!

Mkenya2019:
Goel,
Looking like Indian is very similar to Africa - the indian middle belt - nearly equal as poor.

Obiano13:


Shouldnt your Indiass be more worried about pink policemen and basic sanitation Why should a low caste Indiass be in an African forum chest thumping about a country with problems no different from any third world country

All of this Nigerian illiterates cannot think. India is more than 500 years in front of Nigeria go and see the cell phones which India is manufacturing go and see the solar panel wind turbines including dangote oil refinery. India is harvesting four times more cassava than Nigeria on the same piece of land and eight times more rights than Nigeria on the same piece of land

We might as well say Go Libya go!

Kazikazi:
Go Tanzania go united republic
Hahahahaha

rvp20182:
You cannot use GDP (PPP) to compare countries. You use it internally for stuff like poverty analysis. That is why WB/IMF use nominal GDP per capita to classify nations level of development. India definitely turn the corner - but it's still very much as poor as Africa. Sub-Sahara Africa obviously is doing very badly.

What I don't understand is why India is so poor yet it has been part of modern civilization for many centuries.

Most of Sub-Sahara Africa were cut off from rest of the world until 100-200yrs ago and in those 100yrs have made incredible strides...from walking bare naked..to having cities.

No, they use PPP & HDI to compare levels of development wherever I checked.

GDP (nominal) is translator of national financial power globally while GDP (PPP) per capita is indicator of well being internally. Nominal too won't be a long deal as India's GDP per capita doubles in 6-7 years.

And please understand that, I'm not trying to demean Africa in anyway. But calling the places "same" is a bit too much. My state only translate that India is catching up again fast which is factually correct.

The old Indian civilization is poor today for same reason Africa is today. Western looting machine in past few centuries. Technically, Africa is older than Asia.

Jonraid:
We might as well say Go Libya go!

instead of libya,just say go oil prices go higher price go

Kazikazi:
Go Tanzania go united republic
Hahahahaha

How are you doing so how is South Africa because does xenophobia has now reached Limpopo. I wish you Are safe

kikuyu1:


I'm well aware of that! Actually you're too nice dealing with their 24/7 sabre rattling, posturing and proxy warfare in J&K. What stops you from squashing them once and for all-I have my strong suspicions but tell me.

This is what stopped us. Just 3,000 kilometers away, American and British nuclear flotilas were ready to nuke us like Japan.
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/india-could-have-split-west-pakistan-in-1971/

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/reveal-names-of-cia-moles-of-1971-war-cic-393131
This is why we tested nuclear weapons in 1974.

For your information out of entire media bubble & propaganda, we didn't have any countries as "friends" (except for Japan & France).
India has faced direct hostilities from West, China (even Soviet Union before agreement of 1969).
Pakistan is still official non-NATO ally of USA and proxy of China and the West to keep India contained in its region. It was finally India's economic development after 90s that has somehow diluted this. Technological advancements after good funds in 2000 made those countries nice to us. We later on developed lot of military doctrines and weapons and are still doing. Will do till we have enough.

Now, West wants India to rise to contain China but doesn't want India to cross red lines either. India has some other thoughts.

Goel:

No, they use PPP & HDI to compare levels of development wherever I checked.

GDP (nominal) is translator of national financial power globally while GDP (PPP) per capita is indicator of well being internally. Nominal too won't be a long deal as India's GDP per capita doubles in 6-7 years.

And please understand that, I'm not trying to demean Africa in anyway. But calling the places "same" is a bit too much. My state only translate that India is catching up again fast which is factually correct.

The old Indian civilization is poor today for same reason Africa is today. Western looiting machine in past few centuries. Technically, Africa is older than Asia.

Please I have a question for you can you blame a country for being looted after independence when the vote for people which are criminals. Look at Nigeria and Democratic Republic of Congo I do not think you can blame the development world for looting these countries. If you go to a prison I do get the worst prisoners I vote for them as leaders what do you expect oh you get stuck illiterate I vote for them as leaders what will you get also if you put incompetent people in power just because of their tribe or religion what will you get. Look at a case like Zimbabwe where the former White ruler called en Smith told Mugabe in his face before election if you get independence Britain will milk your country 20 times more than when under apartheid. Isn't it true that is what led to zimbabwe's economic ruins.

Real growth was 4% - Both IMF and WB doubt Tanzanaia figures

The Tanzania National Bureau of Statistics reports that real gross domestic product (GDP) growth was 7.0% in 2018, slightly higher than 6.8% in 2017. However, official demand-side data, including data related to consumption, investment and net trade, suggest that growth softened in 2018

Tanzania may review 2018 GDP figure after lower World Bank estimate
https://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKCN1UD0U8-OZABS

The World Bank report follows an unpublished International Monetary Fund (IMF) paper in April that also raised questions over Magufuli’s handling of the economy.A leaked version of the report seen by Reuters says “unpredictable and interventionist” policies are undermining the economy and forecasts medium-term growth around 4-5 percent - again below official forecasts.

Kazikazi:
Go Tanzania go united republic
Hahahahaha

HDI is not from WB or IMF. HDI is UNDP index that tries to look beyond GDP. Norminal GDP is use to compare countries. WB classify countries into LDC, LMI, UMI, and developed world based on nominal (usd) gdp per capita. GDP per capita (PPP) is only good to determine internal stuff within the country...like poverty level...but international comparison,...say btw India and Africa...you can only accurately use nominal GDP

Goel:

No, they use PPP & HDI to compare levels of development wherever I checked.

GDP (nominal) is translator of national financial power globally while GDP (PPP) per capita is indicator of well being internally. Nominal too won't be a long deal as India's GDP per capita doubles in 6-7 years.

And please understand that, I'm not trying to demean Africa in anyway. But calling the places "same" is a bit too much. My state only translate that India is catching up again fast which is factually correct.

The old Indian civilization is poor today for same reason Africa is today. Western looting machine in past few centuries. Technically, Africa is older than Asia.

kikuyu1:


I'm well aware of that! Actually you're too nice dealing with their 24/7 sabre rattling, posturing and proxy warfare in J&K. What stops you from squashing them once and for all-I have my strong suspicions but tell me.

BTW, unannounced India-Pak skirmishes are still going on. Casualties, real death numbers and timeline are kept secret and never revealed. We will come to know some 20 years later.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-would-be-a-southwestern-power-says-jaishankar/article29580988.ece

A new revised military doctrine is under contemplation regarding India's posturing too.
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/new-military-doctrine-to-be-submitted-in-october/story-S0payhw9CgFs5FfeMqAMyI.html

A completely new posturing strategy is under draft for 2030 when India's economy will be next to just US and China. India aims to be a pole itself in a multipolar world of future rather than joining US or Chinese gang.

Indian government has formed Defence Space Agencies, cyber agencies, launching more & more spy satellites, funding more & more desi R& D projects and has been preparing to put all the forces under one command. India's defence exports have gone up 25 times and will enter top 10 too soon.


We are living in very intetesting times. Here in Eurasia, civil wars with modern weapons, terrorist groups, more and more states with nuclear weapons, warfare moved to space, multiple great & middle powers with nuclear weapons in immediate neighborhood (like Europe in WW2). Unlike during cold war & early post cold war, when no one could stand against US or USSR, today's great powers are close to each other. There are a lot countries with similar power levels or those levels close to great powers.

I bet you guys won't deny about the problem that any of you don't have two enemies with nuclear weapons in immediate neighborhood unlike India. We have to take care of one-sixth of humanity while taming them too, daily.

Mkenya2019:
HDI is not from WB or IMF. HDI is UNDP index that tries to look beyond GDP. Norminal GDP is use to compare countries. WB classify countries into LDC, LMI, UMI, and developed world based on nominal (usd) gdp per capita. GDP per capita (PPP) is only good to determine internal stuff within the country...like poverty level...but international comparison,...say btw India and Africa...you can only accurately use nominal GDP

I didn't deny that nominal GDP is the measure of international financial power. Development has little to do with government's international financial power. It is internal. For HDI, I said all indicators by SUCH organizations.

The few indicators which use nominal GDP capita fail greatly in reflecting realities. You can't call PNG or Solomon islands more developed than India.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


Please I have a question for you can you blame a country for being looted after independence when the vote for people which are criminals. Look at Nigeria and Democratic Republic of Congo I do not think you can blame the development world for looting these countries. If you go to a prison I do get the worst prisoners I vote for them as leaders what do you expect oh you get stuck illiterate I vote for them as leaders what will you get also if you put incompetent people in power just because of their tribe or religion what will you get. Look at a case like Zimbabwe where the former White ruler called en Smith told Mugabe in his face before election if you get independence Britain will milk your country 20 times more than when under apartheid. Isn't it true that is what led to zimbabwe's economic ruins.

Things aren't as simple as you think. Do you think that there was no corruption in West or there is some sort of magic wind to turn your country upside down? Corruption, savage and greed is everywhere in world. European people aren't some sort of angels. Their law & their existing luxuries only prevent them.

I don't say that third world can't do better. But your problems aren't as simple as you think. GDP is just an indicator of economic activity in your country. Not an actual well being which is your wealth. It is easy to increase GDP with time but not wealth which results in long term stagnation.

You can trade within country to generate GDP but for wealth, you have to have resource extraction tech or export finished product (made from indigenous or imported raw material). Becoming a part of global supply chain is most difficult part of nation.
It's like competition for getting a job. Countries who become integral part of chain by hook, crook, innovation, stealing, cheating, begging or bullying get benefited. For every growing country, many others suffer. India can't set up a thousand factories to make smartphones as world buys Chinese.

One more thing:

*Brits were blood suckers.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


How are you doing so how is South Africa because does xenophobia has now reached Limpopo. I wish you Are safe

Why are u cheating people by trying to be Motswana?

But anyway,xenophobia is still happening.Most of these guys who are doing it are taxi drivers. I have a lot of them in my palm,any thing they are planning will always reach me fast.

Nominal GDP is not about international financial power That right there is crazy. It just GDP in market prices converted into USD. The USD as global currency is taken as good comparator. Obviously IMF/WB and other institution have tried to come with PPP - by trying to determine prices of common goods and services based on local conditions - but it's not without criticism either - for instance hair cut in New York is not the exactly the same as with India (Quality of Good & Services ).

Nobody will classify India a middle income country based on their PPP - they will remain a low middle income - until their nominal GDP per capita exceed 4000 - which will not happen until around 2030.

Overall I don't see much difference btw India and Africa - they both have nearly 1.4b with GDP of 2.5-3 trillion. Their nominal GDP need to double to join middle income countries.

Goel:

I didn't deny that nominal GDP is the measure of international financial power. Development has little to do with government's international financial power. It is internal. For HDI, I said all indicators by SUCH organizations.
The few indicators which use nominal GDP capita fail greatly in reflecting realities. You can't call PNG or Solomon islands more developed than India.

Goel:

Things aren't as simple as you think. Do you think that there was no corruption in West or there is some sort of magic wind to turn your country upside down? Corruption, savage and greed is everywhere in world. European people aren't some sort of angels. Their law & their existing luxuries only prevent them.

I don't say that third world can't do better. But your problems aren't as simple as you think. GDP is just an indicator of economic activity in your country. Not an actual well being which is your wealth. It is easy to increase GDP with time but not wealth which results in long term stagnation.

You can trade within country to generate GDP but for wealth, you have to have resource extraction tech or export finished product (made from indigenous or imported raw material). Becoming a part of global supply chain is most difficult part of nation.
It's like competition for getting a job. Countries who become integral part of chain by hook, crook, innovation, stealing, cheating, begging or bullying get benefited. For every growing country, many others suffer. India can't set up a thousand factories to make smartphones as world buys Chinese.

One more thing:

*Brits were blood suckers.

I was told the Brits colonized India for more than 200 years!
How can u accept a tiny nation in Europe colonize a large country like India for generations? Is it u were too weak?

Yes, that probably true. India were truly weak-kneed, internally divided by religious wars and British left India out of their own volition. They never could mount an armed struggle. British left when it was no longer profitable to keep colonies.

Kazikazi:
I was told the Brits colonized India for more than 200 years!
How can u accept a tiny nation in Europe colonize a large country like India for generations? Is it u were too weak?

Mkenya2019:
Yes, that probably true. India were truly weak-kneed, internally divided by religious wars and British left India out of their own volition. They never could mount an armed struggle. British left when it was no longer profitable to keep colonies.

OK that's interesting.
But again,most of them don't speak English.Does it mean the Brits never settled in india.? And if they didn't settle there,how did they control such a huge land?

How did British colonize 1/3-1/2 of Africa - which is even a huger land - than greater India. As long as you have bigger guns - you can control millions of people.

Kazikazi:
OK that's interesting.
But again,most of them don't speak English.Does it mean the Brits never settled in india.? And if they didn't settle there,how did they control such a huge land?

Mkenya2019:
How did British colonize 1/3-1/2 of Africa - which is even a huger land - than greater India. As long as you have bigger guns - you can control millions of people.

But they didn't rule Africa for 250 years! And besides that, Africans resisted! There were a lot of wars.Just think about the Germans how they were under a huge fight in Tanganyika in that famous majimaji. For 2 good years the Germans were under attack

Jonraid:
We might as well say Go Libya go!

libya is on fire growing at that speed and it is on war

Goel:

No, they use PPP & HDI to compare levels of development wherever I checked.

GDP (nominal) is translator of national financial power globally while GDP (PPP) per capita is indicator of well being internally. Nominal too won't be a long deal as India's GDP per capita doubles in 6-7 years.

And please understand that, I'm not trying to demean Africa in anyway. But calling the places "same" is a bit too much. My state only translate that India is catching up again fast which is factually correct.

The old Indian civilization is poor today for same reason Africa is today. Western looting machine in past few centuries. Technically, Africa is older than Asia.

africa is old but we have never heard any meaningful civilization like india which is still poor as africa despite having one of the best civilization phases in the past

Maji-maji witchcraft was not a war

Kazikazi:
But they didn't rule Africa for 250 years! And besides that, Africans resisted! There were a lot of wars.Just think about the Germans how they were under a huge fight in Tanganyika in that famous majimaji. For 2 good years the Germans were under attack

Kazikazi:
Why are u cheating people by trying to be Motswana?

But anyway,xenophobia is still happening.Most of these guys who are doing it are taxi drivers. I have a lot of them in my palm,any thing they are planning will always reach me fast.

So basically you are living by your fingertips. Time you packed your bags and relocated to the United Republic. Tanzania can't be that bad.

Kazikazi:
I was told the Brits colonized India for more than 200 years!
How can u accept a tiny nation in Europe colonize a large country like India for generations? Is it u were too weak?

He speaks only for Tanzanians. Any retribution should reserved for this idiot only.

Goel:

1. In terms is quality of life, RSA has a high poverty ratio & inequality, inequality adjusted HDI well behind India.

Indian poverty is a well known phenomenon globally! If you are trying to equate unsanitary Hinduass life with RSA life you be just common Thuggee! I saw an Indian thanking the British for colonizing and taking them to Europe as servants Really? Which kain caste be that woman and do you fall under the same caste Snob!

2. No, I wasn't comparing RSA to India. Some other member was doing what I was trying to refute. RSA indeed is far ahead of most African states what doesn't go in mind of fools.

how is that your business? refute or no refute doesnt make a difference for someone in the Indian subcontinent. you have karachi next door to deal with leave Africa matter.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:



All of this Nigerian illiterates cannot think. India is more than 500 years in front of Nigeria go and see the cell phones which India is manufacturing go and see the solar panel wind turbines including dangote oil refinery. India is harvesting four times more cassava than Nigeria on the same piece of land and eight times more rights than Nigeria on the same piece of land

Nigeria is indefensible, were did you see me defend Nigeri

Meanwhile in a corner of Urban Abuja.

Kazikazi:
But they didn't rule Africa for 250 years! And besides that, Africans resisted! There were a lot of wars.Just think about the Germans how they were under a huge fight in Tanganyika in that famous majimaji. For 2 good years the Germans were under attack

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You're right! Indiasses were always willing slaves unlike Africans who resisted all through. But Tanganyika was not known for independence wars.

Obiano13:
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You're right! Indiasses were always willing slaves unlike Africans who resisted all through. But Tanganyika was not known for independence wars.

tanganyika never fought for independence they were given independence