BascoVanVeli:


Dem dey call me witch for here because both matches I said they would come back. I can see the talent but they don't have a full team mentality yet. If they get it then other teams are in trouble.

It is only people that have not followed this team from the AFCON U17 that will easily write them off.

They typically finish stronger than their opponents.

Humility017:


he is right sha... save for few from the south west region....
the south south particularly Edo and Delta state have produced more footballers from the south south region....

you have
Kanu
Okocha
Victor Ikpeba
Amuneke
Yakubu
Aghahowa
Victor Moses
Mikel
and lots more...

south west have produced too...but of a truth they can't match the south east when it comes to football talents so far Nigeria have produced

Please let's end thus discussion.

I don't like the tribal lines it's taking

charlesemeka85:
Iwobi had a very good game against Watford last night. Was only lucky to score twice and his last effort came off the goal post

Iwobi didn't score or assist

TheSuperNerd:
From the local scene: ABS give two of its youth players Pro Contracts


From @ABSIlorinFC (Less than 24 hrs ago):

Two of our youth players, Muri Dagbo and Sufian Bello signed their long term and first professional contracts at the club's Secretariat today in the presence of our Director of Football Alloy Chukwuemeka and Coach, Yomi Elijah.

Good luck to them..

BascoVanVeli:


They are the architects of their own wahala. They completely stopped playing immediately they made it 2. Their approach was too negative and that only makes you a sitting duck in today's football.

Please help is tell mpa Rohr

TheSuperNerd:
From the local scene: ABS give two of its youth players Pro Contracts


From @ABSIlorinFC (Less than 24 hrs ago):

Two of our youth players, Muri Dagbo and Sufian Bello signed their long term and first professional contracts at the club's Secretariat today in the presence of our Director of Football Alloy Chukwuemeka and Coach, Yomi Elijah.

Good to see, hope more clubs emulate them.

BascoVanVeli:


They might be a bunch of good players in these regions but that doesn't mean that even one out of them can make the national team because there is good and there is exceptional.

How do you know those chosen are the exceptional, considering the selections were marred with corruption? How do you know there weren't exceptional players dropped for the good because they didn't know the right people or paid the right amount?

From the game last night, i saw an improved defense even though there are still loose ends to be tightened.

The Midfield was again dominant just like against Hungary. And this to me seems to be the most co-ordinated part of the team. However, their link-up play with the attack still needs to be worked on as for the most part of the game (until the last 5-10minute) there were hardly any good through passes.

The attack is still not much co-ordinated. Let me just spend a some little time on them. Olusegun, a very talented player. He often reminds me of Funsho Bangboye of the 2015 crop: blistering pace with skills, excellent off the ball moves but his final decisions always let him down. He still needs plenty of coaching. Akinkunmi Amoo is a more polished player, already playing like a professional. Excellent dribbling skills, good ball holding capability and good with his final decisions. Wisdom Ubani, with pace and power. Always pressing the opposition. Reminds me of the young Uche Nwofor. He needs to learn to play more with less power and more skills.also his fitness level is a source of worry. Jabaar has always been an impact substitute since the AFCON. He comes to me as one of the most tactical players in that forwards line. Highly influential even though he is not as skillful as some of the other forwards. I can just say he is very efficient.

Worthy of mention is Sai'd our Savior for the night. Excellent 3 goals, talk of precision. He also had a good game against Hungary.

My major worry, is that unlike most of our previous U17 we do not have a dreaded point man. The forwards that have been expected to deliver the goods are yet to get off the mark. Well, just two games gone. Let's hope and see if there is improvement from them.

Their fighting spirit is top notch! and I just wish the Super Eagles and Arsenal can learn that aspect of the game from these kids . The team overall still lacks cohesion, hopefully they will gel more as the tournament progresses.

Congratulations to Nigeria!

Humility017:


he is right sha... save for few from the south west region....
the south south particularly Edo and Delta state have produced more footballers from the south south region....

you have
Kanu
Okocha
Victor Ikpeba
Amuneke
Yakubu
Aghahowa
Victor Moses
Mikel
and lots more...

south west have produced too...but of a truth they can't match the south east when it comes to football talents so far Nigeria have produced

Not towing any tribal lines but just want to point out some facts: From that ur list: Kanu, Amuneke and Mikel are not from the South-South.
Except if I didn't get the point u are trying to make.

DrKlever:
All what you just wrote is trash sir. Complete trash! It's very laughable that you're bringing in Politics which is election process into this. That itself makes your argument trash because politics is a game of number. Are you telling me that Buhari is the finest mind to rule us when you have the Adesina, Kinsley Moghalu, Osinbajo, and Ezekwesili etc?

How can it not be trash to an ethnocentric person like you?

It's even glaring in this your comment. Reason being that you think the Northerners occupied the seat of power because of majority vote and not necessarily because they are better.

Can you please tell us what is fine about the mind of Zik, Ironsi, Obasanjo and Jonathan when they were given the opportunity to rule?

Did they turn Nigeria to elorado? Don't forget one even betrayed his master to death. Is that one a finest mind?

Like I said earlier, you are an ethnocentric person.

darkelf:


Once again, sorry man. It was a joke

Alright, no snag..

Icon4s:


Not towing any tribal lines but just want to point out some facts: From that ur list: Kanu, Amuneke and Mikel are not from the South-South.
Except if I didn't get the point u are trying to make.

i know kanu is from imo state likewise mikel. ...was just trying to list out few players I know from the south south/south east region....

forgiveness:


How can it not be trash to an ethnocentric person like you?

It's even glaring in this your comment. Reason being that you think the Northerners occupied the seat of power because of major vote and not necessarily because they are better.

Can you please tell us what is fine about the mind of Zik, Ironsi, Obasanjo and Jonathan when they were given the opportunity to rule?

Did they turn Nigeria to elorado? Don't forget one even betrayed his master to death. Is that one a fine mind?

Like I said earlier, you are an ethnocentric person.

Mugu

forgiveness:


How can it not be trash to an ethnocentric person like you?

It's even glaring in this your comment. Reason being that you think the Northerners occupied the seat of power because of major vote and not necessarily because they are better.

Can you please tell us what is fine about the mind of Zik, Ironsi, Obasanjo and Jonathan when they were given the opportunity to rule?

Did they turn Nigeria to elorado? Don't forget one even betrayed his master to death. Is that one a fine mind?

Like I said earlier, you are an ethnocentric person.

Oga what are you even saying?

Time for Garba to give Divine Nwachukwu a chance to show what he is made of. I have said, this team is just huff and puff. Nothing more. They only play when the opponent's start getting tired nothing more. Just stamina, speed. No technique. After this level, they will all dissapear. Apart from Tijani, Amoo , Ikenna and maybe Olusegun, I really don't see any player with abilities in the team. Forget the Saaid guy, he is a flash in the pan, I have heard much about Divine, I need to see him play too.

darkelf:


Please let's end thus discussion.

I don't like the tribal lines it's taking

there is no one toying tribal lines save for few myopic fellows here...
I for one registered my displeasure against amuneke team of 2015 as it was littered with players from the south eastern region and I think none was from the core north... that alone doesn't speak well and none manu garba is replicating same script...

if we don't condemn what is evil in this country, how will the country make progress

manu garba, amuneke and few others are the few brains we've got presently as far Nigeria indigenous coaching circle is concerned and we must not let this men rubbish their coaching talents with the rigours of tribalism and sentiments...
let's criticize them constructively when due...and praise them as well when they deliver.....

fine...there is nothing that can be done presently but for the sake of next under 17 tourney let's say the truth as it is... because the injustice you tolerate today may come back to hurt you and your clan tomorrow. ...

DrKlever:
Oga what are you even saying?

That man na real Kolo

charlesemeka85:
you are right but on the other way round e be like say manu no too gain anything from the transfer of iheanacho and co which made him go for his kins men this time

Is manu, a yoruba man

charlesemeka85:
you are right but on the other way round e be like say manu no too gain anything from the transfer of iheanacho and co which made him go for his kins men this time

Is manu, a yoruba man? In the previous years that our age group has been dominated by a certain region what has been the benefit to the national team.
Must all our national team be dominated by south east and south south players?
David Alaba and Dele Alli, two of the finest talent playing for foreign nationals are from which part of the country?

Has anyone noticed that our U17 boys do not wear heart rate monitor underneath the jersey?
Hungary and Ecuador had it.

BARAJ92:
Is manu, a yoruba man? In the previous years that our age group has been dominated by a certain region what has been the benefit to the national team.
Must all our national team be dominated by south east and south south players?
David Alaba and Dele Alli, two of the finest talent playing for foreign nationals are from which part of the country?

are both players with us...now?

mention top 10 best footballers Nigeria has ever had or currently has.... and let me point out those from the south south and south east for you.....

the Manu garba team of 2013 was more balanced and even the YUSUF Chan team the last time.... likewise aigbogun mediocre team still....

Humility017:


i know kanu is from imo state likewise mikel. ...was just trying to list out few players I know from the south south/south east region....

Ok, but Kanu is from Arochukwu in Abia state but grew up in Owerri.

forgiveness:


How can it not be trash to an ethnocentric person like you?

It's even glaring in this your comment. Reason being that you think the Northerners occupied the seat of power because of majority vote and not necessarily because they are better.

Can you please tell us what is fine about the mind of Zik, Ironsi, Obasanjo and Jonathan when they were given the opportunity to rule?

Did they turn Nigeria to elorado? Don't forget one even betrayed his master to death. Is that one a finest mind?

Like I said earlier, you are an ethnocentric person.

There is nothing wrong with being ethnocentric.

Virtually every Nigerian is ethnocentric, accusing someone of being ethnocentric is not scandalous, it is fine, it is advised and it should be promoted. If the entire black race had all the confidence in their race, black people would not be bottom of the barrel.

An ethnocentrist is not a tribalist. Believing one's ethnicity is superior in certain climes, is not a crime.

It is common knowledge in Nigeria that the SE and SS produces the best athletes, the West produces academicians and the North, politicians. There is nothing wrong in saying these as facts, nobody is saying there aren't exceptions, but everybody knows their lane in this country, and we should not come here and suddenly act ignorant of the status to seem self-righteous

Forgiveness, you are the last person to be shouting about ethnocentrism because you and Omanbala hold the forte quite well for your ethnic groups on this thread.

safarigirl:


There is nothing wrong with being ethnocentric.

Virtually every Nigerian is ethnocentric, accusing someone of being ethnocentric is not scandalous, it is fine, it is advised and it should be promoted. If the entire black race had all the confidence in their race, black people would not be bottom of the barrel.

An ethnocentrist is not a tribalist. Believing one's ethnicity is superior, is not a crime.

Ethnocentrism breads conflict. How is that not a crime in a country like ours?

forgiveness:


Ethnocentrism breads conflict. How is that not a crime in a country like ours?

I suppose you should be thrown into jail then, because you have committed the crime of ethnocentrism multiple times on this thread.

BARAJ92:
Is manu, a yoruba man? In the previous years that our age group has been dominated by a certain region what has been the benefit to the national team.
Must all our national team be dominated by south east and south south players?
David Alaba and Dele Alli, two of the finest talent playing for foreign nationals are from which part of the country?

David Alaba and Dele Alli are not Nigerians, Dele Alli is particularly mixed, so, his white genes may have also helped.

Being good in sports is not necessarily genetic.

safarigirl:


There is nothing wrong with being ethnocentric.

Virtually every Nigerian is ethnocentric, accusing someone of being ethnocentric is not scandalous, it is fine, it is advised and it should be promoted. If the entire black race had all the confidence in their race, black people would not be bottom of the barrel.

An ethnocentrist is not a tribalist. Believing one's ethnicity is superior in certain climes, is not a crime.

It is common knowledge in Nigeria that the SE and SS produces the best athletes, the West produces academicians and the North, politicians. There is nothing wrong in saying these as facts, nobody is saying there aren't exceptions, but everybody knows their lane in this country, and we should not come here and suddenly act ignorant of the status to seem self-righteous

Forgiveness, you are the last person to be shouting about ethnocentrism because you and Omanbala hold the forte quite well for your ethnic groups on this thread.

Fat lie. Who told you SE doesn't produce academicians? Who told you SW doesn't produce best athletics and politicians? Who told you the North is not in the equation? I am sorry to say that this is the height of ignorance. You can do better than this.

There is no fact that even justify your claim that SE produces best athletics going by the fact on ground but just prejudice.

What is your definition of holding forth for one ethnic group?

I hope you have not confused fighting for justice and equality as ethnocentrism?

Humility017:


he is right sha... save for few from the south west region....
the south south particularly Edo and Delta state have produced more footballers from the south south region....

you have
Kanu
Okocha
Victor Ikpeba
Amuneke
Yakubu
Aghahowa
Victor Moses
Mikel
and lots more...

south west have produced too...but of a truth they can't match the south east when it comes to football talents so far Nigeria have produced

Majority of this players are from South South

safarigirl:
I suppose you should be thrown into jail then, because you have committed the crime of ethnocentrism multiple times on this thread.

Egalitarian values doesn't tantamount to ethnocentrism. You will do well to differentiate between the two.

Humility017:


there is no one toying tribal lines save for few myopic fellows here...
I for one registered my displeasure against amuneke team of 2015 as it was littered with players from the south eastern region and I think none was from the core north... that alone doesn't speak well and none manu garba is replicating same script...

if we don't condemn what is evil in this country, how will the country make progress

manu garba, amuneke and few others are the few brains we've got presently as far Nigeria indigenous coaching circle is concerned and we must not let this men rubbish their coaching talents with the rigours of tribalism and sentiments...
let's criticize them constructively when due...and praise them as well when they deliver.....

fine...there is nothing that can be done presently but for the sake of next under 17 tourney let's say the truth as it is... because the injustice you tolerate today may come back to hurt you and your clan tomorrow. ...

Oga, let's stop all these tribal accusations.

I don't think you guys know the weight of responsibility on these coaches. Why would they want to chose their tribes men as players at the expense of their jobs? Think about that.

Even though some of us expect a kind of balance in the ethnic composition of our national teams, sometimes they are balanced and at other times they are not.

Yes, a coach might chose a couple of players based on certain sentiments which could be ethnic, religious, political, economic etc. But be rest assured that the majority of players especially the key men in the team will be selected based on merit.

For those accusing Manu of ethnic or religious biase look at his 2013 team. Is it not the team that produced likes of Iheanacho, Nwakali, Mathew, Ndidi, Ezeh, Nwobodo, Obasi, Uzoho, Okon, Just from off my head.

How can we come in 2019 and accuse same man of ethnic or regional biase?

And even for those accusing Amuneke of same in 2015, things like this happen where most of the best players that emerge will just spring up from a certain region which was the case in 2015 and now in 2019.

Do you know there was no Yoruba player in Fani Amun's 1993 Golden Eaglets team?

Do you also know there were not more than one or two Igbos in Yemi Tela's 2007 Golden Eaglets?

But sometimes too, we have a mix of ethnicities like the John Obu's era of U17 and U20s.

Things like these happen. It switches sides and then balances again. But the most important thing is that they are all representing Nigeria and we have to support every of our teams irrespective of the ethnic composition.

Humility017:


he is right sha... save for few from the south west region....
the south south particularly Edo and Delta state have produced more footballers from the south south region....

you have
Kanu
Okocha
Victor Ikpeba
Amuneke
Yakubu
Aghahowa
Victor Moses
Mikel
and lots more...

south west have produced too...but of a truth they can't match the south east when it comes to football talents so far Nigeria have produced

Apart from Okocha, Kanu and amuneke who were born in the east, every other player's on this list were not born in the east, victor ikpeba and victor moses are even from the north

Icon4s:


Oga, let's stop all these tribal accusations.

I don't think you guys know the weight of responsibility on these coaches. Why would they want to chose their tribes men as players at the expense of their jobs? Think about that.

Even though some of us expect a kind of balance in the ethnic composition of our national teams, sometimes they are balanced and at other times they are not.

Yes, a coach might chose a couple of players based on certain sentiments which could be ethnic, religious, political, economic etc. But be rest assured that the majority of players especially the key men in the team will be selected based on merit.

For those accusing Manu of ethnic or religious biase look at his 2013 team. Is it not the team that produced likes of Iheanacho, Nwakali, Mathew, Ndidi, Ezeh, Nwobodo, Obasi, Uzoho, Okon, Just from off my head.

How can we come in 2019 and accuse same man of ethnic or regional biase?

And even for those accusing Amuneke of same in 2015, things like this happen where most of the best players that emerge will just spring up from a certain region which was the case in 2015 and now in 2019.

Do you know there was no Yoruba player in Fani Amun's 1993 Golden Eaglets team?

Do you also know there were not more than one or two Igbos in Yemi Tela's 2007 Golden Eaglets?

But sometimes too, we have a mix of ethnicities like the John Obu's era of U17 and U20s.

Things like these happen. It switches sides and then balances again. But the most important thing is that they are all representing Nigeria and we have to support every of our teams irrespective of the ethnic composition.

Okay sir... your post carries a lot of sense...
I appreciate your response...

thanks for this... just not too happy with Manu garba sha not just because of this tribal issues...oooh remember how he refuse to play that Chelsea kid in the last under 17 afcon even in an inconsequential match and also refuse to take in the arsenal prodigy....

this two players shut out really pissed me especially the Chelsea kid...

but anyway I will support the team regardless...

thanks much