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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:13pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Chances created Manchester United Ashley Young 18 Rashford 15 Pogba 13 Perreira 12 James 9 Maguire 9 Lingarg 7 McTominay 7 Fred 6 AWB 5 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:16pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: If DeBruyne is not a midfielder, So who are the midfielders in Man City? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:17pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: Ashley Young also created almost the number of chances as Mahrez and Sterling. So can we say Young is an attacker like Sterling? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:17pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Gundogan and Rodrigo |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SkimpleD: 5:20pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Baba Elamps |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:20pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: about 60% are from set plays. Just like Lenton Baines used to have almost as high chances created and Assist with Mata and Silva |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:21pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: How many chances has Gundogan created this season |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:22pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: How do you know Debruynes chance created are not from set pieces? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:24pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
If you are playing 4-2-3-1, Bulk of chances created should primarily come from the front 4 (three attacking players behind one CF),. If you are playing 4-3-3, one extra midfielder should have a responsibility for chances created. This is where Pogba will come in. If he cannot, he has failed together with the front three. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:25pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: It is not his primary work to create. So he is allowed to be behind the front guys. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:27pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Even Silva, Mata and Fabregas used to create from set piece when they top the chances created chart. Does Rashford not take set plays? The rest front guys are shit at set plays, so Ashley Young does what they should be doing. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:29pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Who are the midfielders here
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingTom(m): 5:33pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
SkimpleD:on the mix |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:47pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: This is not their only formation. They also play 4-2-3-1 Even at 4-3-3, KDB is not always in the middle three. While at middle three, he plays high given the freedom to move into the attacking zone just like Lampard did for Jose Mourinho 4-3-3. Pogba does that for us too |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Obere4u: 5:49pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: So if attackers creates chances, who takes those chances? The midfielders or Defenders? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:50pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Only 12 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:56pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Obere4u: The attackers create chances for themselves (one another) Rooney and Van Person used to top our chances created. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 5:59pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: Does the fact that 60% of the chances he creates are set piece negate the fact that they are chances created. If we score from the set piece will the goal not stand or will it not be counted as assist for him. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:10pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
codedguy1: Fact: Chances created are the 3rd assignment of a DM and a CM. Their first and second assignments are to shield defence and accurately pass the ball forward. If you see a CM having a high chances created, it is either he plays a bulk of the games in the hole (number 10) like Fabregas did for Chelsea or he takes set play. The attacking players mostly win top chances created stats and Assists stat season after season in the EPL. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 6:11pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Make Interpol come pursue all these momphas for man u abeg. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:12pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: WHo are the players in the midfield 3? Give us an example of a game this season where KDB played and was not part of the midfield 3 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 6:13pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: Are you trolling or what? How is KDB not a midfielder? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:19pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
2009/2010 CHANCES CREATED Valenica 2615 minutes played= 89 chances created. Ryan Giggs 1815 minutes - 68 Wayne Rooney 2723 minutes=56 Berbatove 2092 minutes =52 Nani 1590 played =51 Fletcher 2577 played = 45 Evra 3288 minutes played = 34 Carrick 2112 minutes played= 32 Paul Scholes 1948 minuted played= 24 Using you guy's logic, Valencia, Giggs, Rooney, Berbatov, Nani should have relied on Scholes and Carrick to create the chances. But here sha, I remember Antonio Valencia in his prime. Someone who was not taking corners. Even in 2011/2012 he created massive 14 Assists all from open play (if I remember well) |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:20pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Dem penty o |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:31pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter:
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 6:35pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: You have not answered my question You were talking about chances created by players and someone pointed out that young had created almost the same number of chances as Mahrez and you replied by saying 60% were from set piece. This your DM and CM illustrations don't make sense to me. Are young and Mahrez CMs or DMs? If those that are expected to create chances at united in open play are flopping at it and someone else is creating those chances even if 60% are created through set piece, why make it look like creating chances through set piece is inferior to creating it in open play. If the useless strikers we have were at least converting those set piece chances created by young we would be better off. No? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:39pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
2010/2011 Chances Created Nani 2674 minutes= 78 Giggs 1678 minutes= 60 Rooney 2226 minutes = 60 Berbativ 2210 = 36 Evra 2963 = 34 Fletcher 2108= 27 Valencia 741= 25 Scholes 1536 = 20 Oshea 1542 = 19 Park 1084 = 17 Carrick 1976 = 16 Make una dey wait for McTominay and Fred to create chances for Martial, James, Rashford and Perrira |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 6:42pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:doesn't these have to do more with the way the team is set up? Liverpool for instance gets their creativity from their full backs, under Ferguson we use our wingers, I think even Alves was creating more chances than xavi and iniesta under Guardiola. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ibime(m): 6:51pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Another Elampiro classic |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ibime(m): 6:54pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: When did Fabregas play in the hole for Chelsea? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:58pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
codedguy1: The argument is simple. Generally, naturally, attacking players are the creators. However, we have on rare occasion defenders like Baines, and came top. If Baines did not craete that much, he wouldn't be held liable. But Silva, Mata would be held liable. Same way you would not hold Fenadinho liable if he doesn't create. codedguy1: How? DM and CM do not have primary duty to create. It is the Wingers and Central Attacking Midfielder (number10 in the hole) who have this primary function, then number 9. codedguy1: Professional analysts always separate chances created from open play from chances created from set play. Chances created from set play can tilt figures in favour of someone taking all the set plays. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 6:58pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Egbon Elampiro...... Feed us more |
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