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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:01pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
weedtaker: Generally, forward players (wingers, number 10 and number 9) create most chances in every team and league. There may be a rare situation where another player is doing well. But usually a rare situation. The way team is set up has little to do with it. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:03pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Ibime: I am surprised you are the one talking like this. How did Baines went higher than Silva (best creator EPL has seen) in one six months stats assessment? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 7:08pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:I agree with dis. The way team is set up has little to do with it.I don't agree with dis, the way a team is set up plays a part, take our game against Liverpool for instance, they didn't create many chances cuz we didn't allow their full backs into the game, leaving mane and firmino clueless in attack. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:09pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Ibime: Under Mourinho second coming. He used Oscar or Fabregas in the hole. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 7:13pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:No, fabregas played as deep lying playmaker, his chance creation stats was boosted due to him being in charge of set piece. I think from open play hazard was the highest creator. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:14pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
weedtaker:Where were their full backs last season when Liverpool won the UCL? The front three are still the highest contribution to CC, although they have a defender that has risen atop this season. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:16pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
weedtaker: I remember well he played in the hole in some games. Even Mourinho said something about that. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:19pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:I don't understand... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 7:19pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:What? they were phenomenal! The front three are still the highest contribution to CC, although they have a defender that has risen atop this season.Which is bcuz of the way the team is set up. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 7:23pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Mumu excuse, as if other players didn't shine under Mou. 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 7:30pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: 17 goals in 49 matches, is 'did well' for you. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:31pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
patrickmuf: De Brunye is traditionally number 10 or wing forward. It is same reason Ashley Young can do well with stats. He was a winger too. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:40pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
airmark: How many Man Utd players shone under Mourinho |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:42pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
This match August 30th 2014, Mourinho used Fabregas in the hole. I have no doubt I will see many of such if I search. But I have to work now.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:47pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
airmark: How many seasons did Hazard have more that 17 goals in the season despite being the chief penalty taker for his team These are Hazard your MCMs goals contribution in the 7 seasons at Chelsea Hazard 2018/19 21 goals in 52 games 2017/18 17 goals in 51 matches 2016/17 17 goals in 43 matches 2015/16 6 goals in 43 matches 2014/15 19 goals in 52 matches 2013/14 17 goals in 49matches 2012/13 13 goals in 62 matches 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:53pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
weedtaker: Their creative stat last season didnt say so compared to the forward players. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 7:53pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro: There so many holes to pick on this your reply but I no get time to argue. The crux of the discussion was chances created and not how they were created. Some of the 60% set piece you are degrading from young could have been created/acquired by these same players you expect yo create. Maybe in the process of creating the chances they were fouled and got a free kick or corner Na for strikers to convert the CC naaim be the koko regardless of who create it. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:55pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:De Bruyne from any position will still do well. When Manchester City attacks, you see Mendy on the left stretching the play, Aguero is always in the box, Sterling tucks in to add more bodies in the box, Bernardo Silva tucks in too to allow Walker the space to drive forward, De Bruyne moves toward the right wing waiting for a cut back so can whoop in those his devilish crosses. In front of the defence, David Silva and Gundogan are waiting to recycle possession and in midfield, you have the CBs who push forward to narrow the pitch. At Liverpool, Robertson and TAA occupy the wings when Liverpool attack allowing Mane and Salah to tuck in giving them more options in the box, Firmino drops to the edge of the box...Thats 5 players in that attacking sequence. To cover for the overlapping full backs, Henderson moves to the RW in any case of a counter, Van Dijk and Matip push up close to the midfield and Fabinho is stationed around the modified to provide cover with Wijnaldum ahead to recycle possession... At United when we attack, Rashford gets the ball, he starts running, when he looks for options, he can't pass to Martial because he is heavily marked, thus he turns and passes back to Young. Same thing happens when James has the ball, he begins to run but there's no overlapping full back or AMF in the same wavelength and with Martial heavily marked, he elects to go it alone until he is dispossessed or fouled. I have seen enough of our games where you'll find yourself screaming that Young and AWB should bomb forward but no (Young is even better). Pereira who should be very close to the attacks will be couple of yards behind thus we have to delay the play to allow them the chance to join the attack by which time the opposition has regrouped. McTominay has been trying of late but he arrives late and most times his shots ends up being blocked...Watch our games and you'll observe what I am trying to point out, as a midfielder and even defender, you progress with the movement of the ball, how will we be on the attack yet Maguire, Lindelof and in some cases Rojo will be seen very deep in our half of the pitch? In a normal scenario, Rashford and James shouldn't be the ones whooping in balls, that's the work of our fullbacks and our midfielders should be around the edge of the box or thereabout with the defenders close to the midfield especially when we are up against small teams. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:55pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
codedguy1: There is only one way to create a chance in football. Same with Assists. Same with goal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:01pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
patrickmuf: Nani did not have this excuse when they played in front of Wes Brown. Sometimes it was Brown on the right, Oshea on the left and Nani in front of Brown, Rooney in front of Osea. They still won heavily. No excuse. Our forward players cannot breakdown defence. chikena. Luke Shaw was in form last season playing behind those guys, it was same story. Pogba plays too, same story. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:03pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
The defender needs a player in front of him to be creative for him to also be creative. Is it defender that makes them to miss penalties? To miss clear headers from six yard? To keep shooting wayward from edge of the box? To no make an intelligent through ball or lob over the defence? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:08pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:When we had Nani, you had an Evra who was like a left winger when we attacked, you had Giggs who dropped deep to free up space for a marauding Evra, we had Scholes who could switch play to our advantage with a raking long ball from midfield, we had Berbatov and Rooney in the box enough bodies in attack to stretch the opposition. Scholes sef joined the attack as soon as we went forward. And Brown didn't play as our RB in many games. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:09pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Hazard under Mou- 19 goals + 13 assists Martial under Mou - 11 goals + 9 assists You get pikin wey be olodo, you say na teacher no good. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 8:11pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 8:11pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
larride:Let's not forget about 4 of Martial's goals were penalties. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingTom(m): 8:14pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:This makes sense, can't say the same for the others but this makes sense |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:16pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:At Barcelona, who was in front of Alves? If you watch Manchester City (Zichenko/Mendy and Walker) , Liverpool (Robertson and TAA) , Barcelona (Alba), Madrid (Marcelo and Carvajal), Bayern (Alaba and Kimmich), Juventus (Alex Sandro), Dortmund (Guerrero and Piszczek), Chelsea (Emerson/Alonso), Atletico (Formally Juan Fran and Felipe Luis now Trippier) and can't get the point we are making about overlapping fullbacks, I am sorry I can't help you. Our midfield is even worse... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:16pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
patrickmuf: There times injuries forced us to play what I will call second eleven. So even with the scenario I painted above, Nani will still be single handedly shaking defence on the right. You guys think even if we bring Xavi, the likes of Pereira will begin to perform magic? These attacking players have to lift their games. But Pereira as a number 10 or a right winger is a let down already. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:17pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
patrickmuf: The attack is our major problem. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
Players like Raphael, Fabio, Oshea, Fletcher, may never have recognized outside Manchester United. But from hindsight, it is our attacking players who made those defenders appear very good. Not the other way round. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:21pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
elampiro:Has anybody here insinuated such? We are saying Pereira is poor, just as Fred...We are also saying our fullbacks should push higher up the pitch when we are up against small teams...I have seen Messi use the run of Suarez as a decoy to get past defenders. Robben use to use the run of Lahm too to get past a defender. When we had Valencia, Mata could play on the RW and still be effective because Valencia provided the necessary width for him to move in field without affecting us. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:25pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
In the beginning of 2007/2008, one of Rooney or Ronaldo was out injured. We were struggling. But some initial moment of brilliance from the attacking players kept giving 1-0 win. Nani had one rocket from long range to win us a match. In another period, it was hard to break down defence when we played at home, cos opponents came to just park the bus. But the attackers were coming up with something special. The first player we need to buy is a number 10 or a great attacking midfielder. Not this Pererira or Mata forming number 10. |
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