elampiro:


The attack is our major problem.

Lukaku scored for West Brom and Everton but he had issues here...Martial was rated very highly at Monaco but he can't seem to deliver here...Sanchez came here and flopped...You can honestly say Sanchez and Lukaku were not good enough as they were already tearing the league before joining us. Everything points to the fact that very good attackers struggle when they join us, why? A dysfunctional system first and then lack of quality from the supporting cast...

airmark:




Hazard under Mou- 19 goals + 13 assists

Martial under Mou - 11 goals + 9 assists

You get pikin wey be olodo, you say na teacher no good.

Hazard only scored more that 17 twice in his entire Chelsea stay playing over 50 matches

patrickmuf:
Has anybody here insinuated such? We are saying Pereira is poor, just as Fred...We are also saying our fullbacks should push higher up the pitch when we are up against small teams...I have seen Messi use the run of Suarez as a decoy to get past defenders. Robben use to use the run of Lahm too to get past a defender. When we had Valencia, Mata could play on the RW and still be effective because Valencia provided the necessary width for him to move in field without affecting us.

The initial argument was even that midfield is the problem. Later una con dey add full backs. Yet a full back has created the highest chances

Anyway, my argument is simple. The blame should not be shifted. The way everyone is calling midfield is the problem, one would think that we have Messi, Ronaldo, Robben of old in attack.

Our attackers are not complete. They have individual deficiency. Rashford has no single buildup play, sometimes leaves the ball behind while trying to run swiftly. Martial is lazy. Peirera is always average. James still growing. All of them are poor in decision making and finishing.

raumdeuter:


Hazard only scored more that 17 twice in his entire Chelsea stay playing over 50 matches

Martial's best season he didn't score more than 17 and didn't have up to 10 assists, yet you claimed he did well. In fact, he never had 30 goals+assists, something Hazard did under Mourinho

Don't blame Mou and Ole for the uselessness of your Martial, accept the L and go.

patrickmuf:
Lukaku scored for West Brom and Everton but he had issues here...Martial was rated very highly at Monaco but he can't seem to deliver here...Sanchez came here and flopped...You can honestly say Sanchez and Lukaku were not good enough as they were already tearing the league before joining us. Everything points to the fact that very good attackers struggle when they join us, why? A dysfunctional system first and then lack of quality from the supporting cast...

Sanchez was finished before he came.

Using you logic. We could say Pogba was on verge of winning Ballon D'or before he joined us. Schnederline was the best midfielder in the league before he joined. Luke Shaw was the best left back in the league before he joined. Fred was sought after by top coaches before he joined us.

Do you know that McTominay is able to shoot from tight marking more than any of our forward players? The attacking players need a free space the size of a room to be able to make a shot, and when they do it is shooting stars

elampiro:


The initial argument was even that midfield is the problem. Later una con dey add full backs. Yet a full back has created the highest chances

Anyway, my argument is simple. The blame should not be shifted. The way everyone is calling midfield is the problem, one would think that we have Messi, Ronaldo, Robben of old in attack.

Our attackers are not complete. They have individual deficiency. Rashford has no single buildup play, sometimes leaves the ball behind while trying to run swiftly. Martial is lazy. Peirera is always average. James still growing. All of them are poor in decision making and finishing.

Martial is not a poor finisher in my opinion. I am certain Rashford and Martial will do well if placed in that City team.

The koko of the matter be say the whole team na shyte no need for all this back and forth

patrickmuf:
Martial is not a poor finisher in my opinion. I am certain Rashford and Martial will do well if placed in that City team.

They are not good footballer as those guys in that City team. Guadiola takes time to buy complete footballers.

Martial has the potentials but...... who will MARTIAL OR RASHFORD bench in Man City?

elampiro:


They are not good footballer as those guys in that City team. Guadiola takes time to buy complete footballers.

Martial has the potentials but...... who will MARTIAL OR RASHFORD bench in Man City?

Why does Sterling struggle with England? Don't forget that in attack, England prides the likes of Kane and Sancho who are top of their game at their respective clubs?

KingTom:
The koko of the matter be say the whole team na shyte no need for all this back and forth

Only one or two players will change the whole team.

If you find a player like Robben/Salah in his prime to play from our right or Silva in his prime to play our number 10, you will begin to see huge improvement. Just think how difficult it was to stop Robben or Ribery. Even when the ball is in a tight corner, Ribery would very likely drive forward along the line than reverse. Our players now, it is so so reverse.

patrickmuf:
Why does Sterling struggle with England? Don't forget that in attack, England prides the likes of Kane and Sancho who are top of their game at their respective clubs?

Sterling is always England one of best attacking players. Although I have not watched much of them this year.

elampiro:


Sterling is always England one of best attacking players. Although I have not watched much of them this year.

England has always done well when it comes to qualifiers where they get to play those lowly rated teams but whenever they have come up against a half decent team, they have struggled...Reason? A dysfunctional sysyem, poor midfielders topped with a clueless manager...

To me, one thing that instill fear is your scoring ability. We were simply much more clinical with Rodaldo, Tevez, Rooney. With Giggs, Park, etc, we had better decision making. Those abilities when combined won us matches we would have otherwise drawn or lost. And when opponents know you are clinical, they fear to attack you.

Just remember some of our old goals. Rooney providing for Ronaldo's second against Inter Milan which ended Mourinho boast. It was just Rooney's foresight, understanding with Ronaldo, and Ronaldo's pefection in the air. Also the way we pulled one back against Roma in Italy playing ten men. Rondlao, Oleg and finally Rooney chest take down. Our attackers are very poor in decision making, weight of pass, can't head like we had before.

Our players don't make the right run in the box. The attackers don't try to find themselves in the air because they cannot head. They only play on the ground and everyone knows United has no player with heading accuracy.

patrickmuf:
England has always done well when it comes to qualifiers where they get to play those lowly rated teams but whenever they have come up against a half decent team, they have struggled...Reason? A dysfunctional sysyem, poor midfielders topped with a clueless manager...

I thought I saw them beat Germany this year sef.

Oga the talk corner kick, When we no even sabi throw ball.

Our inability to make a simple throw-in should tell you guys that we don't even practice positioning and movement in training.

airmark:




Hazard under Mou- 19 goals + 13 assists

Martial under Mou - 11 goals + 9 assists

You get pikin wey be olodo, you say na teacher no good.

All i can see is marginally better figures from Hazard
Does not lend credence to your claim that Martial is "olodo"

elampiro:


Under Mourinho second coming. He used Oscar or Fabregas in the hole.

Fabregas was used in double pivot. He never played hole. Even on the odd occasion, he played in 3 man midfield, it was not in the hole.

Ibime:


Fabregas was used in double pivot. He never played hole. Even on the odd occasion, he played in 3 man midfield, it was not in the hole.

But I watched him na. He and Oscar played there.

elampiro:


But I watched him na. He and Oscar played there.

So we had 2 players in the hole?

Guy stop yarning dust.

Fabregas made almost all his assists in the first half of the season playing in pivot with Matic while Oscar was in the hole.

After Spurs disgraced us 5-2 in January, Mourinho saw our midfield was overrun and started playing Zouma in the midfield in the big games, dropping Oscar. The midfield shape changed to a 3 and Fabregas stopped assisting from that period, hardly.recording assists till season end. Costa also stopped scoring. From then we relied on winning games by single.goals with Hazard often providing the difference.

Fabregas has never played hole for Chelsea, simples.

Ibime:


So we had 2 players in the hole?

Guy stop yarning dust.

Fabregas made almost all his assists in the first half of the season playing in pivot with Matic while Oscar was in the hole.

After Spurs disgraced us 5-2 in January, Mourinho saw our midfield was overrun and started playing Zouma in the midfield in the big games, dropping Oscar. The midfield shape changed to a 3 and Fabregas stopped assisting from that period, hardly.recording assists till season end. Costa also stopped scoring. From then we relied on winning games by single.goals with Hazard often providing the difference.

Fabregas has never played hole for Chelsea, simples.

Even after shoring evidence? Ok, you read below: Also, Osca started only 26 matches and Chelsea played only 4-2-3-1. Mourinho clearly stated that time two players were being used (alternated) in the hole. If I remember well, he also said it when he came to United. You just like to argue.

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Both teams played in 4-2-3-1 formations. For Chelsea, the young Courtois started on goal. A familiar back 4 started the match, with Ivanovic being more adventurous in his forward movements (especially off of goalkicks from Chelsea). As the #6s for Chelsea Matic and Ramires started, with Ramires having a vertical role. This comes quite naturally to him as he seems to have infinite stamina and loves getting up and down the field. Ahead of them, the new signing Cesc Fabregas played as the #10. Cesc very often dropped deep to build play. On the right Willian started. Willian had quick & long movements when dropping into the interior areas of the field for buildup, he gave Chelsea a different and quicker rhythm when on the ball. Hazard played on the left looking to move inside from wide areas and use his dribbles and quickness to create. Up front started the new signing for Chelsea, Diego Costa. He had a huge workrate both offensively and defensively. He looked to make diagonal runs from the center towards either side, providing a fast vertical outlet and some creativity as well.

Ibime will still argue despite evidence from different sources.

Here another writer (Metro) identified that Fabregas played the number 10 role vs Everton and Manchester City . And this was only October 2014, beginning of season.

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As for Chelsea, Eden Hazard is an obvious starter and so is Diego Costa if he’s fit. Who Mourinho gives the go ahead to for the number 10 role will also be interesting. Oscar is in fine form and against most other teams you would expect him to start. However, if Ramires is fit, Cesc Fabregas may slot into the pocket whilst Ramires plays in the pivot with Nemanja Matic. That’s how Chelsea set-up away against Everton and Manchester City earlier this season, so I would not be surprised if Mourinho went in that direction.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2014/10/25/ramires-in-chelsea-starting-line-up-and-cesc-fabregas-at-number-10-how-jose-mourinho-could-outwit-manchester-united-boss-louis-van-gaal-4920248/?ito=cbshare

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elampiro:


Even after shoring evidence? Ok, you read below: Also, Osca started only 26 matches and Chelsea played only 4-2-3-1. Mourinho clearly stated that time two players were being used (alternated) in the hole. If I remember well, he also said it when he came to United. You just like to argue.

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Both teams played in 4-2-3-1 formations. For Chelsea, the young Courtois started on goal. A familiar back 4 started the match, with Ivanovic being more adventurous in his forward movements (especially off of goalkicks from Chelsea). As the #6s for Chelsea Matic and Ramires started, with Ramires having a vertical role. This comes quite naturally to him as he seems to have infinite stamina and loves getting up and down the field. Ahead of them, the new signing Cesc Fabregas played as the #10. Cesc very often dropped deep to build play. On the right Willian started. Willian had quick & long movements when dropping into the interior areas of the field for buildup, he gave Chelsea a different and quicker rhythm when on the ball. Hazard played on the left looking to move inside from wide areas and use his dribbles and quickness to create. Up front started the new signing for Chelsea, Diego Costa. He had a huge workrate both offensively and defensively. He looked to make diagonal runs from the center towards either side, providing a fast vertical outlet and some creativity as well.

Google analyst. Anytime Chelsea played without Oscar, Fabregas played as a CM, not in no bloody hole. Fabregas runs the play and Ramires makes the forward runs. And that is only in the very big games. You missed the part there where the writer said "Cesc very often dropped deep to build play." 4-2-3-1 is lazy paper talk. Chelsea played 4-3-3 if Oscar did not play.

Oscar lost his place in the team in January. Cesc made almost all his assists before January playing as a PIVOT DM alongside Matic. A lot of his assists came from long passes over the top for Costa to chase or from set pieces, not cos he was playing in any bloody hole.

Google analyst.

I nearly fell off my chair when you said DeBruyne is not playing midfield because of his high volume of assists. You then confirmed you don't watch matches by claiming Fabregas made his assists cos he was playing in the hole. If DeBruyne is not playing midfield by the way, I wonder where David Silva is playing. David Silva is more often the AM in the trio. DeBruyne is often not even the farthest midfielder. But then again, you only read matches, you don't watch them.

Ibime:



Google analyst. Anytime Chelsea played without Oscar, Fabregas played as a CM, not in no bloody hole. Fabregas runs the play and Ramires makes the forward runs. And that is only in the very big games. You missed the part there where the writer said "Cesc very often dropped deep to build play." 4-2-3-1 is lazy paper talk. Chelsea played 4-3-3 if Oscar did not play.

Oscar lost his place in the team in January. Cesc made almost all his assists before January playing as a PIVOT DM alongside Matic. A lot of his assists came from long passes over the top for Costa to chase or from set pieces, not cos he was playing in any bloody hole.

Google analyst.

I nearly fell off my chair when you said DeBruyne is not playing midfield because of his high volume of assists. You then confirmed you don't watch matches by claiming Fabregas made his assists cos he was playing in the hole. If DeBruyne is not playing midfield by the way, I wonder where David Silva is playing. David Silva is more often the AM in the trio. DeBruyne is often not even the farthest midfielder. But then again, you only read matches, you don't watch them.

All these are pure lies. Chelses played one formation that season. I remember very well. We were all talking about it.

Below another match when Chelsea beat United late in the season. That was when Zouma marked Fellani

elampiro:


All these are pure lies. Chelses played one formation that season. I remember very well. We were all talking about it.

Below another match when Chelsea beat United late in the season. That was when Zouma marked Fellani

Will you shut up.

Oscar started 26 matches in the league that season.

So is it in the other 12 matches that Fabregas made numerous assists playing in the hole.

Those who actually watched Chelsea that season will tell you Fabregas made most of his assists with Oscar on the pitch.

As I have told your coconut head time.without number, when Oscar didn't play, the shape.of the team was more 4-3-3 with Ramires shuttling up to join the attack more often while Fabregas runs the play. You want to read on Google and argue with someone who watched every match. Bloody Google analyst.

But perhaps Fabregas wanted more consistency in a role than the Catalans were willing to offer. He's much better playing centrally as a midfielder, either in the hole behind a center forward or as a deep-lying playmaker next to a more defensive-minded player. When he played further up the pitch for Arsenal in his last two seasons with the club, he scored 28 goals and added 30 assists.
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This again confirm my argument that attacking players are suppose to create chances than central midfielders. Fabregas and Xavi chances created stats went up when used in the hole than CM

Ibime:


Will you shut up.

Oscar started 26 matches in the league that season.

So is it in the other 12 matches that Fabregas made numerous assists playing in the hole.

Those who actually watched Chelsea that season will tell you Fabregas made most of his assists with Oscar on the pitch.

As I have told your coconut head time.without number, when Oscar didn't play, the shape.of the team was more 4-3-3 with Ramires shuttling up to join the attack more often while Fabregas runs the play. You want to read on Google and argue with someone who watched every match. Bloody Google analyst.

LOL,

You cannot face facts. How do you know that Oscar always played in the hole whenever he started? Anyway, we have seen that Fabregas played in the hole. Chikena. His number of games in the hole and set plays boosted his chances created that season.

Good night.

elampiro:


LOL,

You cannot face facts. How do you know that Oscar always played in the hole whenever he started? Anyway, we have seen that Fabregas played in the hole. Chikena. His number of games in the hole and set plays boosted his chances created that season.

Good night.

This is what happens when you give too much data to a baboon. How do your people stomach you on this thread?

Let me help you. You said Fabregas made so many assists cos he was in the hole.

elampiro:

If you see a CM having a high chances created, it is either he plays a bulk of the games in the hole (number 10) like Fabregas did for Chelsea or he takes set play.

A case of an over-opinionated eediot typing nonsense without watching matches.

Below are all Fabregas assists in EPL that season. Can you count for me how many assists while nominally marked down as an AM compared to CM?

Of 19 assists detailed there, 14 of them came in the pivot. 2nd half of the season when he started nominally playing AM, his assists dried up (like I told you). Instead of learning from witnesses to the fact, you open your baboon lips to form agidi with confidence.

maik99:


All i can see is marginally better figures from Hazard
Does not lend credence to your claim that Martial is "olodo"

That's not marginal sir, 19 - 11= 8 goals. That's the number of epl goals Lingard scored in his best season for United, when afrodoc left his stethoscope, and ran from house to house shouting, Lingard Lingard Lingard Lingard, the new Ronaldo !!!

The point is, if Mou was Martial's problem, Hazard, the so-called shakushaku dancer shouldn't have posted 19.

weedtaker:
Oga the talk corner kick, When we no even sabi throw ball.

Our inability to make a simple throw-in should tell you guys that we don't even practice positioning and movement in training.

I co-sign this post.