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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigo4u: 7:24pm On Nov 07, 2019
olujaidi:
https://tribuneonlineng.com/cbn-says-nigerian-companies-individuals-free-to-buy-treasury-bills/


This article explains everything about tbill. The cbn cannot suspend tbills only the debt management office which is solely responsible for tbills can do that.
For those who say tbills does not help the economy, it is used to finance national budget! Interesting read

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by OgogoroFreak(m): 7:26pm On Nov 07, 2019
chloride6:


Naso...

Era of free money is gone..

Goan buy stock...

We lend our money to government to pay back with little interest. You call that FREE money?

Why not try to get a loan even to pay back with high interest and see how difficult it would be.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chloride6: 7:36pm On Nov 07, 2019
OgogoroFreak:
We lend our money to government to pay back with little interest. You call that FREE money?

Why not try to get a loan even to pay back with high interest and see how difficult it would be.

Well goan and give someone else your money..

Govt doesn't want to borrow expensive money again..
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by OgogoroFreak(m): 7:38pm On Nov 07, 2019
chloride6:


Well goan and give someone else your money..

Govt doesn't want to borrow expensive money again..
How old are you sef?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by aremso(m): 7:41pm On Nov 07, 2019
OgogoroFreak:
How old are you sef?

needles of the arguments please! not everyone will be happy that money is working for someone. I don't argue at all every one is entitled to his opinion. those days when I started buying shares they were making jest of me but today they are still running rat race.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by OgogoroFreak(m): 7:42pm On Nov 07, 2019
aremso:


needles of the arguments plus!
I'm trying not to argue with a toddler

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Jesusbabygirl(f): 7:46pm On Nov 07, 2019
DeSepiero:


He's trying to encourage you and I, and other insitutional investors to invest in the real economy. Following this move, I expect the rates to go lower.
Our TBills rates are among the highest.
Well our inflation rate is among the highest too.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by olujaidi: 8:23pm On Nov 07, 2019
chigo4u:

They are both capital intensive

If we use the AgriTech companies as a yardstick, it shouldn't be up to $2m. A refinery is a multibillion dollar investment. What of his ill-fated tomato farm?

Your comparison is apples and oranges
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akin3891: 8:27pm On Nov 07, 2019
IamR:

I am ready sir. In fact, I am in Lagos now. The moment I read the news this morning, I lost my appetite. I couldn't even eat the refreshment Airpeace served me.


Same thing with my wife, she just keeps hissing, like wht will happen to her salary now. Still hoping the news is fake,one of my tbs matured today, didn't even bother to visit the bank for reinvestment,will be there tomorrow to try my luck.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akin3891: 8:34pm On Nov 07, 2019
ahiboilandgas:
the money we are investing is coming from the real sector ...abi na from tree we dey pluck am.....a fleet of 20 trucks is enough real sector na ...other are working and earning and investing in tb....others are using the interest from t.b to build houses ,pay school fees ,buy food stuff ....indirectly creating jobs and stimulating the economy......cbn gov na idoit

U dey mind the guy, mr gurumaraji that want to teach businesses in real economy . I don't even have one kobo strength to answer any quotes that r not aligned with my mindset ,i talk less but act more

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chloride6: 8:40pm On Nov 07, 2019
OgogoroFreak:
How old are you sef?

Old enough to know that high interest rates were strangling our economy..

American Citizens work hard for their money and their TBills rate is 1.5%

In Japan and Europe it's worse, their interest rates are negative..

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigo4u: 8:47pm On Nov 07, 2019
chloride6:


Old enough to know that high interest rates were strangling our economy..

American Citizens work hard for their money and their TBills rate is 1.5%

In Japan and Europe it's worse, their interest rates are negative..
Value of America dollar vs naira?
American inflation rate vs Nigeria?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chloride6: 9:03pm On Nov 07, 2019
chigo4u:

Value of America dollar vs naira?
American inflation rate vs Nigeria?


Inflation is intrinsically linked to Interest rates..

Expect your inflation rate to come down once interest rates also come down..
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by michaellovaldo(m): 9:03pm On Nov 07, 2019
RealityShot:

and i found THIS!

https://www.namibian.com.na/187547/archive-read/Longrich-is-illegal-and-must-stop---BoN

JUST LIKE MMM, gnld etc

bye!
Wow.... goodluck bro
Wish u the best
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akin3891: 9:07pm On Nov 07, 2019
ahiboilandgas:
example if na 15 your yearly profit is 7.5m paid twice 3.75m is credited to your account ever six month for 5 years or 10 years (duration of the bond )...the difference is t.b is off front while bond like fixed deposits credit is bi annually or quartyly (saving bond ) ....which this 5 years out to worry about cbn and rate ...just be reinvesting the coupons in mmf or tb or fixed deposit and continue your work

So for example, if my total intrest for 5 yrs is 25 mils. I will receive 2.5 mils every six months for 5 yrs circle,. For 25 mils investment on FG saving bond will be paid quarterly, 1.250 mils per quarter. Correct? Can one buy bonds directly from the bank or is it only investments house that issue them? Thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 9:42pm On Nov 07, 2019
Akin3891:


So for example, if my total intrest for 5 yrs is 25 mils. I will receive 2.5 mils every six months for 5 yrs circle,. For 25 mils investment on FG saving bond will be paid quarterly, 1.250 mils per quarter. Correct? Can one buy bonds directly from the bank or is it only investments house that issue them? Thanks
yes, on the advert page they select a combination of banks and discount houses ...mainly teir 1 banks but I be local chap na bank I prefer

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by bendo75(m): 10:32pm On Nov 07, 2019
Folks be careful how you divulge information about your financial status in this forum. The fake news from punch about CBN blocking individuals from buying treasury bills has really revealed the minds of some in this channel. Not everybody who comes here is happy that you are making money by investing your sweat in treasury bills. It really baffles me that someone in this forum thinks that profits from treasury bills are free money.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by odimbannamdi(m): 11:13pm On Nov 07, 2019
ahiboilandgas:
Block ,4000@140,decking 1 .5m cement 200 bags @2600,p.o.p 700k window 600k roofing 400k ,roofing sheet 300k ,plaster 200k ,wiring 300k ,tile 1m ,doors 1m,labour 35 per block x4000 ,dpc 400 k digging foundation 100k ,iron road 2 tonne 12mm 400k ,iron bender labour 100k ,bore hole 400k ,over tank 300 ,plumber 300k ,kicheten cabinet 300k ,toilets w/c plus fixing 4 unit 300k painting 300k ,Screeding 200k ,interlock 300k gate 200k bard wire 150k ,burglar 300k hand rails 200k ,lighting 300k ....wetin remain na.....

Starred

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by odimbannamdi(m): 11:21pm On Nov 07, 2019
DaBogu:
Nike Popoola

The Central Bank of Nigeria has given a directive to banks and other financial institutions to stop the sale of treasury bills to individuals and small firms with effect from November 29.

Some bank officials who disclosed this to The PUNCH said only big corporate organisations would be allowed to do treasury bills investments.



Our correspondents learnt that banks were already notifying their customers of the new directive.

The sources, however, said the existing treasury bills investments would be allowed to continue till the end of their maturity dates.

A bank official said, “Operators are trying to see if the November 29 deadline given for the implementation by the CBN could be extended, so as to create enough awareness. But there is no move for the reversal of the directive.”

An operator said the inaccessibility of treasury bills might lead to an increase in savings deposits of the banks, attracting interest rates below what the treasury bills offered.


A source from the CBN said the move was to stop the mop-up of funds from the system through the treasury bills.

He said, “Many people with huge cash prefer to keep their funds idle in treasury bills instead of investing the funds. Some people collect huge severance package, have huge funds but they have refused to invest the money.

“We want these funds to be useful in the economy so that they will be available in the banks and can be invested to create more jobs in the country.”



He noted that the CBN had increased the Loan to Deposit Ratio of the banks from 60 per cent to 65 per cent.

I am confused at the emboldened. Is putting money into TBs not same as investing?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by odimbannamdi(m): 11:24pm On Nov 07, 2019
healthserve:
While the Emefiele-CBN's directive is to limit funds in the system for alternative purposes I.e investing in the real economy/sector, its the 21st century and Nigerians being smart will exploit the loopholes.

Since the CBN limits dealing in T-bills to big organizations, its only a matter of time before these " big organizations " create their own banking system to collect funds from individuals and invest them on their behalf.

The obvious alternative is investing in other economies, but then its an excellent move to me by Emefiele. Real Sector Investors helps to create more jobs and promotes circulation of wealth/money better.

Its only a matter of time to address the dichotomy between the digital economy and the real economy. Good move CBN. For once, I'm proud of Emefiele.

I agree
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by healthserve(m): 11:32pm On Nov 07, 2019
odimbannamdi:


I agree


Best of luck. My peace I need. Bye
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Adiwana: 11:54pm On Nov 07, 2019
bendo75:
Folks be careful how you divulge information about your financial status in this forum. The fake news from punch about CBN blocking individuals from buying treasury bills has really revealed the minds of some in this channel. Not everybody who comes here is happy that you are making money by investing your sweat in treasury bills. It really baffles me that someone in this forum thinks that profits from treasury bills are free money.

Nobody pulls down his brother more than the black man.Nigeria has the highest number of black people in the world. So that should at least show you how things roll in this part of the world. People will rather support the govt who remove foods from our plates instead of putting them there to fvck us all over than seeing their neighbour live better lives than them. They rather cut their noses to spite their faces.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by needful: 4:21am On Nov 08, 2019
Thank you for contacting Afrinvest Securities Limited.



The minimum for secondary market FGN Bonds purchase through Afrinvest is N20,000,000.00 (based on availability of the bond)



There is no maximum. Please see the indicative bond rates that traded today in the secondary market:



Bond

Tenor (Years)

Yield (%)

Coupon (%)

Implied Price (N)

Jul-21

2

12.35

14.50

103.15

Jan-22

3

12.05

16.39

108.20

Apr-23

4

12.28

12.75

101.29

Mar-24

5

11.98

14.20

107.33

Mar-25

6

12.24

13.53

104.95

Jan-26

7

12.70

12.50

99.11

Mar-27

8

12.55

16.29

117.59

Feb-28

9

12.70

13.98

106.40

Jul-34

15

13.07

12.15

94.00

Mar-36

17

13.16

12.40

94.90

Apr-37

18

12.90

16.25

123.02

Apr-49

30

13.48

14.80

109.57



You can also buy FGN Bond through a primary market auction. The minimum for this is N100,000,000.00 .



The Q4:2019 schedule is also attached and the next auction is slated for 20-Nov-2019.

I made enquiry from afrinvest and above was what they sent to me. pls can someone clarify difference between coupon and yield. assuming i put in 500,000 at a coupon of 16.29% and a yield of 12.46% for 2yrs. what will be my yearly interest payment and at the maturity, will the capital still be N500k?.

Thanks.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by unite4real: 5:38am On Nov 08, 2019
needful:
Thank you for contacting Afrinvest Securities Limited.



The minimum for secondary market FGN Bonds purchase through Afrinvest is N20,000,000.00 (based on availability of the bond)



There is no maximum. Please see the indicative bond rates that traded today in the secondary market:



Bond

Tenor (Years)

Yield (%)

Coupon (%)

Implied Price (N)

Jul-21

2

12.35

14.50

103.15

Jan-22

3

12.05

16.39

108.20

Apr-23

4

12.28

12.75

101.29

Mar-24

5

11.98

14.20

107.33

Mar-25

6

12.24

13.53

104.95

Jan-26

7

12.70

12.50

99.11

Mar-27

8

12.55

16.29

117.59

Feb-28

9

12.70

13.98

106.40

Jul-34

15

13.07

12.15

94.00

Mar-36

17

13.16

12.40

94.90

Apr-37

18

12.90

16.25

123.02

Apr-49

30

13.48

14.80

109.57



You can also buy FGN Bond through a primary market auction. The minimum for this is N100,000,000.00 .



The Q4:2019 schedule is also attached and the next auction is slated for 20-Nov-2019.

I made enquiry from afrinvest and above was what they sent to me. pls can someone clarify difference between coupon and yield. assuming i put in 500,000 at a coupon of 16.29% and a yield of 12.46% for 2yrs. what will be my yearly interest payment and at the maturity, will the capital still be N500k?.

Thanks.






You will pay at least N533,000 for this bond but your coupons will be calculated on N500,000.

The lower the yield, the more profit the seller makes.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 7:11am On Nov 08, 2019
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mumayo: 7:29am On Nov 08, 2019
anyone purchased Tbills yesterday. I need idea on recent rates.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:50am On Nov 08, 2019
DaBogu:
Nike Popoola

The Central Bank of Nigeria has given a directive to banks and other financial institutions to stop the sale of treasury bills to individuals and small firms with effect from November 29.

Some bank officials who disclosed this to The PUNCH said only big corporate organisations would be allowed to do treasury bills investments.
Ok


Our correspondents learnt that banks were already notifying their customers of the new directive.

The sources, however, said the existing treasury bills investments would be allowed to continue till the end of their maturity dates.

A bank official said, “Operators are trying to see if the November 29 deadline given for the implementation by the CBN could be extended, so as to create enough awareness. But there is no move for the reversal of the directive.”

An operator said the inaccessibility of treasury bills might lead to an increase in savings deposits of the banks, attracting interest rates below what the treasury bills offered.


A source from the CBN said the move was to stop the mop-up of funds from the system through the treasury bills.

He said, “Many people with huge cash prefer to keep their funds idle in treasury bills instead of investing the funds. Some people collect huge severance package, have huge funds but they have refused to invest the money.

“We want these funds to be useful in the economy so that they will be available in the banks and can be invested to create more jobs in the country.”



He noted that the CBN had increased the Loan to Deposit Ratio of the banks from 60 per cent to 65 per cent.

The directive does not seem logical though. A big firm will not sink its capital into treasury Bills. Capital required for operations, projects etc made unavailable to the company for 3 to 6 to 12 months for a 10% return?

I was afraid that the train would come to an end, but this doesn’t make sense

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DaBogu: 7:53am On Nov 08, 2019
zamirikpo:
I was with the branch manager of stanbic ibtc asaba branch today and he has no knowledge of this new cbn policy.

Even if its true it's an inner caucus plan....no publication or circular to that effect .

Let's keep our finger crossed.......

My question is that was @dipoolowoo quoting punch newspaper or businessday or both.
Nothing like that on that paper or even today's reads, CBN denies banning individuals, small firms from NT-Bills, investors shuns short term OMO bill in apex bank 300bn offer

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DaBogu: 8:03am On Nov 08, 2019
So all this border closure and war against rice was just so Dangote would swoop in and start selling us overpriced rice.
Is the expensive cement not enough?
chigo4u:
So Dangote is now venturing into rice business without completing the refinery. I remember arguing with some people earlier on this thread that the refinery will not be completed any time soon. I wouldn’t know his priority right now.
Also it looks like Dangote is the unofficial president of Nigeria

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DaBogu: 8:26am On Nov 08, 2019
If the CBN stop individuals and small business from NTB, it will have both positive and negative impact.

If individuals and small business are unable to buy NTB it may lead to increase in saving deposits, thereby making interest rate below what NTB offers
Fixed deposit rates will definitely head south as individuals will try to lock funds in other alternatives-meaning cost of fund for banks will reduce
Stock brokering house will benefit because individuals because individuals who can't afford to give money to banks @ 3-6% would consider investing NTB through some of this stockbroking houses who can buy from banks and big corporation depending on size and volume
Bonds will see bullish sentiment as people will tend to pick the best available yield-Businessday Friday 6th November 2019
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ImDStar: 8:26am On Nov 08, 2019
DaBogu:
So all this border closure and war against rice was just so Dangote would swoop in and start selling us overpriced rice.
Is the expensive cement not enough?

It's just surprising.

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