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What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by NuclearReactor: 9:52pm On Nov 09, 2019 |
I John 5:16&17 Good News Bible. 16 If you see a believer commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray to God, who will give that person life. This applies to those whose sins do not lead to death. But there is sin which leads to death, and I do not say that you should pray to God about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which does not lead to death. Apart from this, There is only one scripture in the New testament that talks about deadly sins God won't forgive, That's when Jesus said that anyone who speaks against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven. From that scripture its clear that an Unbeliever has more tendency to speak against the Holy spirit than a believer So which sins was John referring to in this passage, Simply put what are the Examples of unforgivable Sins that lead to death that a believer commits. #JustCurious Lalasticlala mynd44 seun |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by ikechukwu21(m): 11:50pm On Nov 09, 2019 |
Hebrews 6:4-6 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 KJV:And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 KJV:If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. If you look carefully at the Scripture you quoted up there it wasn't asking that the prayer shouldnt be made for an unbeliever but rather one who is already in Christ. So Heb. 6:4-6 answers that. Thank you PS: it is easier for an unbeliever to obtain forgiveness than for a believer who has followed God for so many years and has done business with God in deep waters to be pardoned if they become reprobate. Thats what happend when Moses and David disobeyed. Although God loved them but it almost cost them eternity. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by PhenomenalMorgan(m): 5:46am On Nov 10, 2019 |
The guy above nailed it but let me add my two cents... |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by PhenomenalMorgan(m): 5:46am On Nov 10, 2019 |
NuclearReactor:Heb 10:26-29 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith, he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? So if a MATURED Christian chooses TO WILLFULLY leave christ or WILLFULLY continue to sin after being warned by God, he belittles the covenants of grace he is under and so commits sin onto death. Baby Christians can't commit sin unto death, but matured Christians!! 1 Like |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by Finallydead: 7:20am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Some would say the only sin is the unbeliever's rejecting Jesus but the truth is that's not it. No one can accept Jesus as Lord except helped by the Spirit in the first place. The sin in question here is of a brother not an unbeliever. This singular scripture in John (not to mention others you referenced) completely rubbishes the belief that once one accepts Jesus as Lord, he has eternal security. So about it, what sin is it. 1. First, understand that this sin can only be committed by a believer. 2. As described in Heb 6: 4-6, the believer is not any misguided, immature believer but one who has passed through all the mentioned levels of development. (most believers don't qualify today. They've not even tasted of the powers of the age to come to begin with) 3. This is not as a result of how grievous the sin is, because the blood of Jesus is enough propitiation for any sin, as long as we can repent from it, and no matter how late we do. 4. This sin is the sin the Lord referred to as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit(Lk 12:10) because it is only obtainable under the dispensation of the Holy Spirit, when we receive the Holy Spirit. 5. This sin is the cause of the great apostasy of believers which happens before the rapture (2Thes 2:3). Note: the stage is being set for this already as the ignorant preaching of a 'grace' that leaves us without any spiritual responsibility toward God spreads on like wildfire. I believe, however, in grace of righteousness outside of oneself that empowers you live a practically God-enabled righteous life that all around you can attest to and to overcome the struggles of sin and the flesh practically. 6. This sin is basically an outright rejection of the grace and mercy of God through faith by believers even when there is sufficient understanding of God by an initial experience of His power and life within 7. A believer who still grieves over his sin (he still listens to his conscience) and seeks a way out of his bondage of sin cannot be guilty of this sin because he is not wilful in sin but just ignorant of how to activate God's grace to overcome sin. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by JJOF(m): 7:35am On Nov 10, 2019 |
ikechukwu21:You said the truth, but there are some wrong inferences from what u wrote. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by ikechukwu21(m): 1:22pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
JJOF: Ok tell me please. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by JJOF(m): 2:11pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
ikechukwu21:I edited the original comment |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by ikechukwu21(m): 3:01pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
JJOF: I was referring to the dimensions they touched in God. For God, it didnt matter whether it was old or new testamenent... When a man goes deep in God and looks back the consequence may be severe like in Hebrews 6. Check how God kept pampering the children of Israel but watch what happend when Moses committed an offence not even anywhere as serious as what the children of Israel had been doing for so many years. See how God reacted. But for mercy, Moses wouldnt have entered heaven. When God was passing judgement He didnt seem to consider all the sacrifices of Moses for the children of Israel. Same with David. Its just like a man climbing a ladder or stairs. There's a height you'll get to; if you fall you will be lucky if you get to be limping. Your legs or even spinal cord would be broken or damaged beyond repairs. Now consider one who also falls but from the 1st, 2nd or 3rd step. He may at worst get a few bruises that will heal in one or two days. You see my point? What makes the new testament different is Grace and the Holy Spirit. If these were enough to provide a man "covering" why then did God have to wait till our dispensation to give that warning in the book of Hebrew 6? Thats because He's subtly telling us not to take Him for granted. His standards hasnt changed, His ways hasnt changed. He only made things easier for us by giving us the Holy Spirit and grace. Nobody knows the limit to which grace can cover a man before it is taken away. Thats Why Apostle Paul warned us not to abuse God's grace by sinning continually. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by orisa37: 4:14pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
NuclearReactor: Any Breech of Agreement, Contract and Covenant of God can cause Death unless you repent and you are forgiven. |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by NuclearReactor: 5:49pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
orisa37:Physical or Spiritual death?? |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by Ihedinobi3: 6:18pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
NuclearReactor:Hello. This is the Scripture I believe you mean: [31]"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:31-32 NASB Essentially, the Lord Jesus was warning against calling the Holy Spirit a liar. The Pharisees had rejected the witness of His Miracles insisting that they were done in Satan's power. In doing so, they were rejecting the Witness of the Holy Spirit Himself to the Messiahship of the Lord Jesus. If anyone refuses to believe that the Lord Jesus is Who the Holy Spirit says that He is or that He has done what the Holy Spirit says that He has done, then that person cannot be saved. In other words, the unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief, so you are right that it is only an unbeliever who commits this sin. I would only add that a believer who turns away from his faith in Jesus Christ also commits this sin. That is the danger that all immature believers should be wary of. If we do not take care to grow up spiritually and to continue to progress in the Truth, we can be deceived through the seductions of sin and the tests of Faith into throwing our Faith away. I will also add that it is not that God cannot forgive that sin, but that that sin is in itself a rejection of God's forgiveness in Jesus Christ. As for 1 John 5:16-17, that is actually a different thing. The warning about sin unto death is clearly about believers. The issue here is that persisting in sin without repentance can eventually result in the discipline of the sin unto death. All sins we commit bring divine discipline on us (Hebrews 12:4-11). If we repent and confess them, we are forgiven and the Lord turns any further suffering we experience into suffering for blessing. If we do not, the discipline only gets worse until the Lord commences the discipline of the sin unto death which results in an embarrassing physical decline until we actually die (1Corinthians 11:30-32; compare the example of King Saul too). |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by JJOF(m): 7:59pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
ikechukwu21:Aiit |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by anukulapo: 5:08pm On Nov 17, 2019 |
ikechukwu21: You need to review this point. 1. You really can't say that God pampered the children of Israel because he dealt with them, and would have crushed them if not for Moses (considering that he was willing to start a new people from Moses). 2. Unlike the children of Israel who turned to idols and other iniquities, Moses "took" God's glory. That's not "an offence not even anywhere as serious as what the children of Israel had been doing for so many years" Jehovah made it clear that he will not share his Glory with anyone, man or idols. 3. There's no suggestions that Moses was going to be barred from entering heaven. Rather, the physical land of Israel which he was allowed to look at from the mountain top. P. S. Just to infer the "Moses" (the law) couldn't take the heirs of life into God's rest but Jesus (grace) can. Shalom |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by ikechukwu21(m): 7:32am On Nov 22, 2019 |
anukulapo: The word "pampering" in that context was used to indicate God's quick reversal of judgement and anger after a little crying from the Israelites or Moses whenever they did wrong. This I say happend because they were viewed as babies - people who chose to remain on the surface rather than go deep like Moses did. It's a choice you know |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by anukulapo: 9:57am On Nov 22, 2019 |
ikechukwu21:OK. I share your view. That's for my point 1. Point 2 and 3? |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by ochibuogwu5: 10:57am On Nov 22, 2019 |
Any sin you continue in till biological death is *sin unto death* which can be committed by an unbeliever who *continues to disbelieve the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified until biological death* or *a person who presumed to have believed the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified and continues in sinful living until biological death*...…... This is what 1 John 5:16-17 is defining as *sin unto death* Sin not unto death is *sin committed by any human being whether believer or non-believer* but the person is still alive biologically then there is room for repentance and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified. That is why you can pray for such a person to receive grace of repentance and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified even as you share/witness to him/her. Great Grace Brethren!!! |
Re: What Are The "Types Of Sins" That Lead To Death?? by oaroloye(m): 10:04am On Nov 24, 2019 |
SHALOM! NuclearReactor: YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE BEEN BIBLE- HANDED DOWN BY THE OYINBOS- IS USUALLY ALL WRONG. The "APOSTLES" betrayed Lord Yeshua. . MARK 14:27-31. 27. And Jesus Saith unto them, "All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, 'I WILL SMITE THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP WILL BE SCATTERED.' 28. "But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee." 29. But Peter said unto him, "Although all shall be offended, yet will not I." 30. And Jesus Saith unto him, "Verily I Say unto thee, 'THAT THIS DAY, EVEN IN THIS NIGHT, BEFORE THE COCK CROW TWICE, THOU SHALT DENY ME THRICE.' 31. But he spake the more vehemently, "If I should die with thee, I will not deny thee in any wise." Likewise also said they all. IT IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS THING TO TELL A PROPHET OF GOD THAT HE IS LYING. Yet, these people killed and buried ANANIAS and SAPPHIRA without any apparent remorse, nor compassion, having done exactly what they had accused them of, without evidence. . LUKE 9:51-56. 51. And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, 52. And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 53. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54. And when his Disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, wilt thou that we Command Fire to come down from Heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?" 55. But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56. "For The Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to Save them." LORD YESHUA WAS NOT A KILLER, AND NEVER AUTHORIZED HIS DISCIPLES TO KILL ANYONE. . ACTS 5:1-11. BUT a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2. And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the Apostles' feet. 3. But Peter said, "Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4. "Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? And after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God." 5. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8. And Peter answered unto her, "Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?" And she said, "Yea, for so much." 9. Then Peter said unto her, "How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt The Spirit of The Lord? Behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out." 10. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11. And great fear came upon all the Church, and upon as many as heard these things. YOCHANNAN WAS VAGUE ABOUT "THE SIN UNTO DEATH" BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE. The Disciples hated everyone who had not been there for them to fight the Sanhedrin's Thugs. The New Testament is their deliberate revenge against the World, to make It destroy Itself, wearying itself trying in vain to find The Door. . MATTHEW 20:1-16. "FOR The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. 2. "And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3. "And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4. "And said unto them; 'GO YE ALSO INTO THE VINEYARD, AND WHATSOEVER IS RIGHT I WILL GIVE YOU.' And they went their way. 5. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. 6. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, WHY STAND YE HERE ALL THE DAY IDLE?' 7. "They say unto him, "BECAUSE NO MAN HATH HIRED US.' He saith unto them, "Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. 8. "So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, 'CALL THE LABOURERS, AND GIVE THEM THEIR HIRE, BEGINNING FROM THE LAST UNTO THE FIRST.' 9. "And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10. "But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. 11. "And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, 12. "Saying, 'THESE LAST HAVE WROUGHT BUT ONE HOUR, AND THOU HAST MADE THEM EQUAL UNTO US, WHICH HAVE BORNE THE BURDEN AND HEAT OF THE DAY.' 13. "But he answered one of them, and said, 'FRIEND, I DO THEE NO WRONG: DIDST NOT THOU AGREE WITH ME FOR A PENNY? 14. 'TAKE THAT THINE IS, AND GO THY WAY: I WILL GIVE UNTO THIS LAST, EVEN AS UNTO THEE. 15. 'IS IT NOT LAWFUL FOR ME TO DO WHAT I WILL WITH MINE OWN? IS THINE EYE EVIL, BECAUSE I AM GOOD?' 16. "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen." A PROOF OF THE HATRED OF THE FIRST DISCIPLES WAS THEIR ATTEMPT TO BAN CIRCUMCISION AND THE BIBLE- IN ACTS 15. Just because people say that they speak for God, that does not mean that they actually speak for God. . MATTHEW 12:22-37. 22. Then was brought unto him one possessed with a Devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23. And all the people were amazed, and said, "Is not this The Son of David?" 24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out Devils, but by Beelzebub the Prince of the Devils." 25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and Said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26. "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his Kingdom stand? 27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28. "But if I cast out Devils by The Spirit of God, then The Kingdom of God is come unto you. 29. "Or else how can one enter into a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods, except he first bind the Strong Man? And then he will spoil his House. 30. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31. "Wherefore I Say unto you, 'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN: BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN.' 32. "And whosoever speaketh a word against The Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against The Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this World, neither in the World to come. 33. "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. "O generation of Vipers, how can ye, being Evil, speak Good Things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. "A Good man out of the Good Treasure of the heart bringeth forth Good Things: and an Evil man out of the Evil Treasure bringeth forth Evil Things. 36. "But I Say unto you, 'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK, THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “ 37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." THERE WAS NO ATONEMENT FOR DELIBERATE SIN. . NUMBERS 15:27-31. 27. "And if any man Sin through Ignorance, then he shall bring a She Goat of the first year for a Sin Offering. 28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement for the Soul that Sinneth Ignorantly, when he Sinneth by Ignorance before The LORD, to make an Atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him. 29. " Ye shall have one Law for him that Sinneth Ignorantly (both for) him that is born among the Children of Israel, and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them. 30. "But the Soul that doeth (ought) presumptuously, (whether he be) born in the land, or a Stranger, the same reproacheth The LORD; and that Soul shall be cut off from among his people. 31. "Because he hath despised The Word of The LORD, and hath broken His Commandment, that Soul shall utterly be cut off; his Iniquity (shall be) upon him." THE TWELVE DISCIPLES DEFINITELY TRANSGRESSED THIS COMMANDMENT: THEY SINNED DELIBERATELY. . MATTHEW 18:1-14. AT the same time came the Disciples unto Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven?" 2. And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3. And Said, "Verily I Say unto you, 'EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' 4. "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven. 5. "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my Name receiveth me. 6. "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the Depth of the Sea. 7. "Woe unto the World because of Offences! For it must needs be that Offences come; but woe to that man by whom the Offence cometh! 8. "Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into Everlasting Fire. 9. "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into Hell Fire. 10. "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I Say unto you, 'THAT IN HEAVEN THEIR ANGELS DO ALWAYS BEHOLD THE FACE OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.' 11. "For The Son of Man is come to Save that which was Lost. 12. "How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13. "And if so be that he find it, verily I Say unto you, 'HE REJOICETH MORE OF THAT SHEEP THAN OF THE NINETY AND NINE WHICH WENT NOT ASTRAY.' 14. "Even so it is not The Will of your Father Which is in Heaven, that one of these little ones should perish." THE SAME JUDGMENT WHICH YOCHANNAN SO SLYLY IMPOSED UPON WANNABE CHRISTIANS APPLIED TO HIM AND HIS COLLEAGUES, TOO! They wanted us to fight among ourselves, rather than be Saved and excel beyond them. |
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