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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:05pm On Nov 10, 2019
charlesemeka85:
Oga this is just a plot to stop the guy from turning out for Mali, it's obvious.

He scored against man City and then what? You and I watch football and know the strenght and playing style of the best national teams in the world so do you think or see traore having a long career with the Spaniards?

Lets just be factual here instead of been logical. Do you think traore would have been called up to the Spanish national team if Mali re yet to approach him?

Spain and Mali are not on the same pedestal in world football. If Spain wants him, they want him. I think it's quite a stretch to think that they want him because they want to deny Mali the opportunity of having him play for them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:06pm On Nov 10, 2019
Your take is a sentimental one because you are thinking of those who don’t have privileges but mine is lookin at the reality of our world today and thinking of the greatest heights we can possibly reach. . Nothing stops us from making our league better and also opening competition to all. I think that’s the real solution. Our crude methods in the past will not give us a competitive edge today. People are saying let’s do things as we did in the past. However, other nations who even did it better then have embraced the reality of globalization today, and are competing at a whole different level now. Which way Nigeria?

TheGoodJoe:


Leave the U17 for enabling players in the Grassroots develop. The U20 and U23 is there for foreign born. We Could have a super eagles team B that will be playing friendly games where the foreign borns could play and have a home based team also.

But the U17 should remain for thorough scouting of special home based talents and develop them.

Let us not finally destroy the u17 system that brought the country so much joy. We ruled the World in that aspect. Let us not kill it but improve on the scouting in a more comprehensive manner.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:10pm On Nov 10, 2019
charlesemeka85:
CAF really needs to approach fifa to find a lasting solution to this nonsense. This kids were born and groomed in Europe doesn't mean that they must be cajoured to dump the country of their parents when it's obvious they won't have a long and fullfilling career with the national teams of their country of birth.

FIFA have to make changes to the change of allegiance process by allowing this kids to change allegiance to the country of their parents with ease even when they have featured for the Europeans at the u21 level. Also a player must acquire up to 10 caps subsequently in the national team of their choice before they will be tied for life to that country and their club management must not interfere in their decisions.

If traore is cap tied now by the Spaniards and Rodrigo returns tomorrow what becomes of the former?



I totally agree with your 2nd paragraph and like I said earlier, this will likely be the way things will pan out in the future particularly as the idea of nations and nationality is becoming more fluid

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:10pm On Nov 10, 2019
U re making sense
Mujtahida:

I think it's likely that it will get to a point where this issue of switching allegiance will be modified by allowing players with a certain maximum of caps to switch allegiance like say: if you have just five caps you can still switch but beyond that, no switching.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:11pm On Nov 10, 2019
That’s the point. Getting the best pool as possible. We will be better of for it eventually.
jihday:
Osimhen would have been better than anybody we could have gotten, imagine Tammy too came and we had them in our team can you imagine how lethal we'll be?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 1:12pm On Nov 10, 2019
Kubo destroying Villarreal
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:16pm On Nov 10, 2019
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Joebie:
Your take is a sentimental one because you are thinking of those who don’t have privileges but mine is lookin at the reality of our world today and thinking of the greatest heights we can possibly reach. . Nothing stops us from making our league better and also opening competition to all. I think that’s the real solution. Our crude methods in the past will not give us a competitive edge today. People are saying let’s do things as we did in the past. However, other nations who even did it better then have embraced the reality of globalization today, and are competing at a whole different level now. Which way Nigeria?

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:17pm On Nov 10, 2019
Utonwanne:


Joebie is deviating but I think you are upping the fire. Let's stop all these abeg.


Joebie , you gotta stop your Tammy obsession. We 've lost him, that's the truth

Please let no one bring up Anthony joshua discussion here again ever as he's an Englishman as well. If you know you know.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:18pm On Nov 10, 2019
wink
Taliban:


Please let no one bring up Anthony joshua discussion here again ever as he's an Englishman as well. If you know you know.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by oloriooko(m): 1:19pm On Nov 10, 2019
Exactly my point, Chuks seem a little distracted now but he needs to get his heads down and work extra hard cuz he's at a critical point in his career seems the fame and money is getting to him
Subzero047:


His end product needs to improve
Especially now Villarreal is looking for results
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:26pm On Nov 10, 2019
Joebie:
Your take is a sentimental one because you are thinking of those who don’t have privileges but mine is lookin at the reality of our world today and thinking of the greatest heights we can possibly reach. . Nothing stops us from making our league better and also opening competition to all. I think that’s the real solution. Our crude methods in the past will not give us a competitive edge today. People are saying let’s do things as we did in the past. However, other nations who even did it better then have embraced the reality of globalization today, and are competing at a whole different level now. Which way Nigeria?


You people keep talking about us measuring up with great nations of football who have gotten it right for ages.

News flash:
It is not happening in the next few years.
Our league is not developing to the standard of churning out quality young talents to compete with the current crop of players.

Our quickest solution to start is to begin preparation in the next few months by appointing a high quality tactician (Amunike is my preferred choice). Then start a wide comprehensive screening to cover as much areas of the country as possible. Train them in brilliant tactical play and start competing for laurels.

This does not stop us for fighting to develop our league to a high standard including aiming to have high grade pitches to promote possessive play.

Until then, we must maintain and improve what we have, while giving room to our foreign borns to add to the pool in later stages, not kill chances of bright talents in their infancy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:28pm On Nov 10, 2019
; cheesy cheesy cheesy
TheGoodJoe:



You people keep talking about us measuring up with great nations of football who have gotten it right for ages.

News flash:
It is not happening in the next few years.
Our league is not developing to the standard of churning out quality young talents to compete with the current crop of players.

Our quickest solution to start is to begin preparation in the next few months by appointing a high quality tactician (Amunike is my preferred choice). Then start a wide comprehensive screening to cover as much areas of the country as possible. Train them in brilliant tactical play and start competing for laurels.

This does not stop us for fighting to develop our league to a high standard including aiming to have high grade pitches to promote possessive play.

Until then, we must maintain and improve what we have, while giving room to our foreign borns to add to the pool in later stages, not kill chances of bright talents in their infancy.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:30pm On Nov 10, 2019
jihday:
Osimhen would have been better than anybody we could have gotten, imagine Tammy too came and we had them in our team can you imagine how lethal we'll be?

Not really. Tammy would have been more professionally trained and most likely the preferred hit an due to his ease to assimilate the tactics of the coaching crew.

Unlike Osimhen who needed to be trained to understand the basics and nurtured into the force he became.

Bringing in Tammy would have cut the hard work used for the development of the grassroot player, Osimhen.

This is why we must not throw the work needed to build our pool for easy wins of calling foreign based players for the u17.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PurpleHouse(m): 1:30pm On Nov 10, 2019
Clementoke:
These are players we should be going after not those that want to eat their cake and still have it at the same time

Someone should forward this to the NFF, Rohr, any Journalist, or someone who can pass a message across to the NFF.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 1:34pm On Nov 10, 2019
oloriooko:
Exactly my point, Chuks seem a little distracted now but he needs to get his heads down and work extra hard cuz he's at a critical point in his career seems the fame and money is getting to him

It's not being distracted, he's not versatile enough and defenders have read him like a book

When he gets the ball two defenders mark his left foot and he doesn't know what else to do
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:37pm On Nov 10, 2019
safarigirl:
At this time, the Nigerian league was doing well, we could source for talents in-house.

It is not the same scenario today, the league has gone to the dogs, [b][/b][b][/b]you can't find talents in the leagues. Even more, the whole workd seems to have left Nigeria in 1994. We have done nothing to build on that success, rather, the local coaches glorify mediocrity and sacrifice true talent for a few extra kobos.

It is not because we do not have local talent that are just as good, or even better than the foreign borns, but the rotten corruption stiinking up everywhere, means, we can only look outside to help ourselves.
I say even if we find talents in the league as you posit it would still not suffice.

See football has changed so much that - let me exaggerate just to make a point--even many great players of the past, if they are to return young and fresh will not survive the game. Football has gone beyond talents. It's now tactical and scientific.

So these three things - talents, tactics and the science- must combine in the revival of our local before we can source players from the home front. Regrettably we are still stuck in the past, what is worst is that even the talent pool in the local league seems to have dried out

The only category of players that I think can stake a claim for us in the world comity of footballing nations are those who leave here for Europe early on and foreign born Nigerian players.

Let me end by saying that Europe has cheated the rest of the world by forcing them all to play football according to the European model of efficiency and results. Even Brazil which played samba is evolving into the European mould. All the major leagues are in Europe and I feel they will continue to dictate how football is played. personally I enjoy the talent over tactics kind of football but today tactics is 70% of football, that's why it's called the era of the coaches

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 1:37pm On Nov 10, 2019
Ontiveros should play alongside Chukwueze to utilize the space defenders leave while marking him
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:48pm On Nov 10, 2019
Gbam gbammer gbammest cheesy

Many here fail to understand the fact that football have evolved and more scientific than before

Mujtahida:

I say even if we find talents in the league as you posit it would still not suffice.

See football has changed so much that - let me exaggerate just to make a point--even many great players of the past, if they are to return young and fresh will not survive the game. Football has gone beyond talents. It's now tactical and scientific.

So these three things - talents, tactics and the science- must combine in the revival of our local before we can source players from the home front. Regrettably we are still stuck in the past, what is worst is that even the talent pool in the local league seems to have dried out

The only category of players that I think can stake a claim for us in the world comity of footballing nations are those who leave here for Europe early on and foreign born Nigerian players.

Let me end by saying that Europe has cheated the rest of the world by forcing them all to play football according to the European model of efficiency and results. Even Brazil which played samba is evolving into the European mould. All the major leagues are in Europe and I feel they will continue to dictate how football is played. personally I enjoy the talent over tactics kind of football but today tactics is 70% of football, that's why it's called the era of the coaches
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Clementoke(m): 1:50pm On Nov 10, 2019
Subzero047:


If this is real, can you post it on the NFF page?

Done.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:50pm On Nov 10, 2019
jihday:
exactly, scout far and wide if we see a talented NIGERIAN born outside the country and willing to play he should be allowed to represent his country
I would rather say 'he should be allowed to compete for a place'. No automatic place for any player.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:51pm On Nov 10, 2019
Joebie:
Your take is a sentimental one because you are thinking of those who don’t have privileges but mine is lookin at the reality of our world today and thinking of the greatest heights we can possibly reach. . Nothing stops us from making our league better and also opening competition to all. I think that’s the real solution. Our crude methods in the past will not give us a competitive edge today. People are saying let’s do things as we did in the past. However, other nations who even did it better then have embraced the reality of globalization today, and are competing at a whole different level now. Which way Nigeria?

I think there's common sense in what the goodjoe said. I even think that to the u17- down to the u20 should be left exclusively for Nigerian home grown talents except foreign born players who are exceptional at that age (those who are in the field will be able to spot an exceptional player when one pops up)

At the stage of the 17-20 age grade, the stake in footballing terms is not too high. We can safely keep it for our local boys without too great a loss.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:52pm On Nov 10, 2019
Okereke to start against royal antwep while Dennis is on the bench
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by oloriooko(m): 1:53pm On Nov 10, 2019
Dude is good but seem his time at Villa is over he needs to be tutored by better coach, he's beginning to plateau in Villa
grin grin grin at the bolded grin
Subzero047:


It's not being distracted, he's not versatile enough and defenders have read him like a book

When he gets the ball two defenders mark his left foot and he doesn't know what else to do
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:55pm On Nov 10, 2019
charlesemeka85:
Gbam gbammer gbammest cheesy

Many here fail to understand the fact that football have evolved and more scientific than before

The u17 boys we took had the talent but the science, the tactics let them down. Some will say Manu has won this tournament before na but his inability to repeat that feat shows that he must have let down on the tactical side of things.

Football don change bro. There's this quote by Jurgen klopp that I have posted here before which encapsulates the current trend in football.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:01pm On Nov 10, 2019
nigerian football fans i hail una
oloriooko:
Dude is good but seem his time at Villa is over he needs to be tutored by better coach, he's beginning to plateau in Villa
grin grin grin at the bolded grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:04pm On Nov 10, 2019
It MAY not be a great loss at the instant but could be eventually.

Everyday no be Christmas. You will not find Osimhens and the likes every 2 years even
even if u do proper scouting every time

Mujtahida:

I think there's common sense in what the goodjoe said. I even think that to the u17- down to the u20 should be left exclusively for Nigerian home grown talents except foreign born players who are exceptional at that age (those who are in the field will be able to spot an exceptional player when one pops up)

At the stage of the 17-20 age grade, the stake in footballing terms is not too high. We can safely keep it for our local boys without too great a loss.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:12pm On Nov 10, 2019
Lol... You don't have to agree. Truth is.. Icon4s is the one masterminding this. He was the one who brought out the plaques for the last one, contacted a few media houses to give it more publicity and sent it to the NFF I think.

I say it is only logical he has an automatic slot. That is what I would have suggested if given the chance before the "nominations began" and if I had known not all would vote him because of monickers like Tbaba or Me. You may not like it but this is fair.



somehow:


Why did they not vote for him during nomination?

You guys can't even practice Small democracy here but are quick to insult real politicians.

All the 13 people that liked this comment had the opportunity to vote for him but didn't, now trying to break Democratic rules.

If he's not there or not really available, won't life continue?

Make una respect una self jare.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:14pm On Nov 10, 2019
Joebie:
That’s the point. Getting the best pool as possible. We will be better of for it eventually.
Sure, as long as the process is transparent and devoid of sentiment
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:14pm On Nov 10, 2019
Agreed. And if he earns it, after competing, then he should not be denied.


Icon4s:
I would rather say 'he should be allowed to compete for a place'. No automatic place for any player.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:14pm On Nov 10, 2019
TheSuperNerd:
Agreed. And if he earns it, after competing, then he should not be denied.


Most definitely.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:15pm On Nov 10, 2019
The nail on the head. Abeg Charles leave them. Coating the obvious truth with logical gobbledygooks. Lol


charlesemeka85:
Oga this is just a plot to stop the guy from turning out for Mali, it's obvious.

He scored against man City and then what? You and I watch football and know the strenght and playing style of the best national teams in the world so do you think or see traore having a long career with the Spaniards?

Lets just be factual here instead of been logical. Do you think traore would have been called up to the Spanish national team if Mali re yet to approach him?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:17pm On Nov 10, 2019
Mujtahida:

I say even if we find talents in the league as you posit it would still not suffice.

See football has changed so much that - let me exaggerate just to make a point--even many great players of the past, if they are to return young and fresh will not survive the game. Football has gone beyond talents. It's now tactical and scientific.

So these three things - talents, tactics and the science- must combine in the revival of our local before we can source players from the home front. Regrettably we are still stuck in the past, what is worst is that even the talent pool in the local league seems to have dried out

The only category of players that I think can stake a claim for us in the world comity of footballing nations are those who leave here for Europe early on and foreign born Nigerian players.

Let me end by saying that Europe has cheated the rest of the world by forcing them all to play football according to the European model of efficiency and results. Even Brazil which played samba is evolving into the European mould. All the major leagues are in Europe and I feel they will continue to dictate how football is played. personally I enjoy the talent over tactics kind of football but today tactics is 70% of football, that's why it's called the era of the coaches
You are so on point, players like Kanu and okocha won't have such big impact they'll be labeled lazy

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