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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 10:51pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
eph12: Gomes and Chong have played a combined 259 minutes this season. That is an average of less 130 minutes (or 1.5 games). And these minutes are scattered over multiple games. Playing a youngster a total of less than 2 games is not giving him opportunity. Ole had better rest the entire first 11 for those remaining Europa League games. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:55pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
afrodoc2:This is Gomez total minutes for two games in the Europa na. Maybe the talent is there, but he needs to grab the opportunity
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:10pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
eph12: 158 minutes in Europa plus 9 minutes in EPL = 167 minutes Chong 68 minutes in Europa plus 24 minutes in EPL= 92 minutes. How many THOUSANDS of minutes did you guys give Fred and Alexis Sanchez (seasoned pros) again? But you guys want young players stepping up from youth football to hit the ground running like Chidi Imoh. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by inFamouz: 11:13pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
Gomes must succeed by fire by force. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:34pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
inFamouz: LMAO. He might not. He is small and would be better suited to a possession based team. However until he is given meaningful minutes we won't be sure if he can make it here or not. Ole should use the remaining Europa games to give Garner, Gomes and Chong starter minutes. Laird and Levitt can get quality sub minutes as well. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:19am On Nov 11, 2019 |
wizkitvick: Me don tire, everytime sack sack sack. We now have millions of director of football or club football legends. This is how Liverpool were sacking and didnt win the league in three decades. Even Klopp did not win the league in his first seasons. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:26am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1: Does it not mean that Rashford and Martial are poor learners? The two players Ole bought have improved our overall play. Some of the kids promoted from academy are also showing sign of consistency. McTominay (although promoted by Mourinho) and William. Is it not logical to say Ole is capable of building a new brand United when he eventually assembled new players in at least 7 positions? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:30am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1: This is not how a coach instructs players. No coach will just say hug the touchline. Coaches build players to adapt to different situations. However, some players dont learn fast. Someone who has been poor in decision making will not change overnight. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 6:31am On Nov 11, 2019 |
afrodoc2:I'm saying if those guys don't do well to take their chances, they won't be able to handle the backlash from fans and oppositions like the way experienced players like Fred and Sanchez will. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:33am On Nov 11, 2019 |
afrodoc2: SAF did not play some young guys more than 30 minutes before taking the decision to send them away. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mhoyorsawreh1(f): 6:37am On Nov 11, 2019 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:44am On Nov 11, 2019 |
eph12: This is over enough for SAF to take a decision on any player. For instsnce we bought Tosic and he didnt play even one EPL game for us (to the best pf my knowledge). He had two appearances in cup fixtures. Bebe didnt appear in more than 2 EPL matches. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 6:48am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro: I was replying what Obainijazz said about what if it was what the coach had asked him to hug the line and whip crosses in. So Martial and Rashford cannot still adapt to situations to find a way to be at least a little bit consistent regardless of the coaches instructions, after how many years? When can/will they change their poor decision making? If you are saying we should still be patient with Rashford and Martial, no problem. ![]() elampiro: You just confirmed what I have been saying that both Rashford and Martial will take us no where. Although I still have doubts about Ole's ability to Manage this club. Double jeopardy for us. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:48am On Nov 11, 2019 |
afrodoc2: How many minutes did SAF give Bebe, Tosic, and dozena of academy players? Coaches mostly see what they want in just few minutes. You cannot put Sanchez in this kind of argument. World class players are given time. We had a simlar scenario with Torres at Liverpool and Schevchenko at Chelsea. As for Fred, may be the coaches saw he could be developed. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:52am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1: You want us to sell the way Mourinho sold Salah? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timay(m): 7:08am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro: One thing is sure, No matter what any coach says, the club is not selling Martial or Rashford anytime soon. Any coach that comes to Man utd will have to work with them or buy his own players and make Martial and Rashford squad players. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 7:18am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro: Well I dont know about selling. If a player is good but has a coach that lacks the requisite ability to bring out the best in him, the player suffers. If a player cannot adapt/interprete the instructions of the coach, the coach looks bad. In our case we might have a little of both in the case of Ole, Rashford and Martial. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:07am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro:I understand afrodoc view. The other options are not doing much better but it's easier to trust a more experienced player that's not doing well than to trust a youngster with no experience. The youngster has to own that first chance |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:10am On Nov 11, 2019 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 8:15am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1:You were blaming Ole for those guys ineptitude and that was why I said wrong... You tried saying James is doing what he's doing now by himself, but I pointed out that he is playing according to instructions. Ole was talking about high pressing beginning of the season but only James really does that in our attack. How many coaches have coached those two guys now, those boys have talents.. Let them sabi follow taktits is the problem. Look at the speed James and Mctominay recovers ball ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:19am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1: Some players need time. Even Ronaldo had to develop until 2016/2017 when he matured |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:21am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro: I did not say Ole should play all the youth players. A few of them have been putting in good to great performances at youth and reserve level and have been identified by the club as players with potential. They should be given the opportunity to prove themselves. The same SAF gave Luke Chadwick 25 EPL games before sending him away. He gave Ronnie Wallwork almost 20 EPL games before sending away. Jonathan Greening got over 10 games and even made the squad for the 1999 UCL final but within 2 years he was sent packing. Fletcher got so many games despite struggling, with people claiming SAF was using Scottish quota to pick him before he came good. Frank Lampard struggled initially at West Ham with people claiming that he got into the squad because his uncle was manager and his father was assistant. If you say you believe in a set of youth players it is nonsensical to claim that after a few minutes of football they are no longer good or should be discarded. I don't know which player of this set (if any) will make it at United but so far this season they have not had enough opportunity. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timay(m): 8:30am On Nov 11, 2019 |
For me , j believe a player like Rashford will come good eventually. Even it took Ronaldo some years at Man UTd before he started being productive. And Sir Alex believed in his abilities that is why he kept faith with Ronaldo. Ronaldo started having end product and high goal return in his last 2/3 season for Man utd. Ronaldo was like Rashford during his early days with dribbles and runs with no sense and end product. Even Giggs said it in one of his interviews that they used to complain about him , that he doesn't have good team work. But when Ronaldo got better, it now turn to be s case of just getting the ball to Ronaldo and he will do his magic. So Rashford needs time. More so, his goal return this season will be better than last season. He has 8/9 goals in all competitions already despite being wasteful and will probably get btw 15-20 by end of season if he keeps his heads down and take his chances as they come, which will be an improvement against last season. My own is that A proper striker should be bought to give Martial some competition, since Ole doesn't want to Rush Greenwood into first team football, which is very understandable for the young boy. I guess the coaching crew don't want to make the mistakes that our former coaches have made concerning easing young players gradually into the team 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:30am On Nov 11, 2019 |
elampiro: Lies from the pits of Ekosodin. How many years did SAF give the likes of Lee Sharpe, Greening, Wallwork, Chadwick, David Bellion, Kieran Richardson e.t.c before ultimately discarding them? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timay(m): 8:34am On Nov 11, 2019 |
afrodoc2: But OGS hasn't binned them yet. The season is still young and there are a lot of games to play. So don't conclude yet. I'm sure we will see some of them in the last two Europa League group matches. So don't be an alarmist just yet. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timay(m): 8:37am On Nov 11, 2019 |
afrodoc2: Don't just conclude that the guy is lying na. For every 5 players that got enough opportunities under SAF, there are much more that got few minutes before SAF discarded them. So it goes both ways. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 8:38am On Nov 11, 2019 |
obainojazz: Yes I was and that's because I still don't think Ole has the ability to manage this team from what I have seen. I maybe wrong though. Again both Martial and Rashford have not helped matters. Apart from getting injured we have seen how martial can be annoying even with his talent during Mourinhos tenure. One game he is doing all the right things the next he has this forlorn face and attitude towards the game. Rashford the same thing. When I said James was doing all by himself I simply meant he was finding a way regardless of whatever instructions he had been given. If you agree they both have talent, could the coach be the problem? Or they can't adapt/ interprete instructions even with their talents. Anyways I have agreed with Elampiro that we should give them time ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:39am On Nov 11, 2019 |
timay: I am not being alarmist. I know OGS has not binned them. I am just replying those claiming that the youth players have had enough opportunity to prove whether they are good enough or not. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by obainojazz(m): 8:41am On Nov 11, 2019 |
codedguy1:Let's not lie, we need 7 signings ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:42am On Nov 11, 2019 |
timay: He said ANY player. If you say SAF decided on SOME players after a few minutes that is right, but for some others it took even SAF several games and in a few cases several years to decide whether they were good enough or not. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 8:49am On Nov 11, 2019 |
obainojazz: Only 7? ![]() ![]() Let's just hope we don't start blaming the scouts afterwards ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:54am On Nov 11, 2019 |
Our scouts are blind. They all need help from Unlimited22. It was during 2016 Olympics when we were strongly linked to Gabriel Barbosa while Man City was strongly linked to Gabriel Jesus that i knew our scouts have significant visual impairment. |
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