eph12:

And what about the Europa league? He's played over 100 minutes there na

Gomes and Chong have played a combined 259 minutes this season. That is an average of less 130 minutes (or 1.5 games). And these minutes are scattered over multiple games.
Playing a youngster a total of less than 2 games is not giving him opportunity. Ole had better rest the entire first 11 for those remaining Europa League games.

afrodoc2:


Gomes and Chong have played a combined 259 minutes this season. That is an average of less 130 minutes (or 1.5 games). And these minutes are scattered over multiple games.
Playing a youngster a total of less than 2 games is not giving him opportunity. Ole had better rest the entire first 11 for those remaining Europa League games.

This is Gomez total minutes for two games in the Europa na. Maybe the talent is there, but he needs to grab the opportunity

eph12:

This is Gomez total minutes for two games in the Europa na. Maybe the talent is there, but he needs to grab the opportunity

158 minutes in Europa plus 9 minutes in EPL = 167 minutes
Chong 68 minutes in Europa plus 24 minutes in EPL= 92 minutes.

How many THOUSANDS of minutes did you guys give Fred and Alexis Sanchez (seasoned pros) again? But you guys want young players stepping up from youth football to hit the ground running like Chidi Imoh.

Gomes must succeed by fire by force.

inFamouz:
Gomes must succeed by fire by force.

LMAO. He might not. He is small and would be better suited to a possession based team. However until he is given meaningful minutes we won't be sure if he can make it here or not.

Ole should use the remaining Europa games to give Garner, Gomes and Chong starter minutes. Laird and Levitt can get quality sub minutes as well.

wizkitvick:
Take a chill pill, even the greatest coach in Fraudiola is getting beaten by Norwich and the likes and even getting molested just in 50mins...OLE is not the cause of trash Ford missing seaters or not knowing when to shoot or pass

Ole has his faults but make una calm down and enjoy city game!

Me don tire, everytime sack sack sack. We now have millions of director of football or club football legends.

This is how Liverpool were sacking and didnt win the league in three decades. Even Klopp did not win the league in his first seasons.

codedguy1:


For a new player, James has been consistent. Both Rashford and Martial seem to decide when they want to play well or not.

Even when the team is playing rubbish as a whole James has somehow been able to single himself out.

Does it not mean that Rashford and Martial are poor learners?

The two players Ole bought have improved our overall play. Some of the kids promoted from academy are also showing sign of consistency. McTominay (although promoted by Mourinho) and William. Is it not logical to say Ole is capable of building a new brand United when he eventually assembled new players in at least 7 positions?

codedguy1:


Then he is using his brain. Why are those 2 not doing it. Is that not what I said earlier that he processes instructions better than those 2. If Ole has instructed him to hug the line and whip in crosses do you think the opposing coach will not also instruct his team to counter it. It then means James still finds a way to achieve what he wants to do unlike those 2 who probably continue to do the same thing and ones the defenders knows what they have been told he then neutralizes them and that's why we have been complaining about their inconsistencies even here.

James has been consistent while those 2 have not been. If we agree they both receive instructions from the same coach, why does James seem to always find a way with different teams while those 2 continue to blow hot and cold.

This is not how a coach instructs players. No coach will just say hug the touchline. Coaches build players to adapt to different situations. However, some players dont learn fast.

Someone who has been poor in decision making will not change overnight.

afrodoc2:


158 minutes in Europa plus 9 minutes in EPL = 167 minutes
Chong 68 minutes in Europa plus 24 minutes in EPL= 92 minutes.

How many THOUSANDS of minutes did you guys give Fred and Alexis Sanchez (seasoned pros) again? But you guys want young players stepping up from youth football to hit the ground running like Chidi Imoh.

I'm saying if those guys don't do well to take their chances, they won't be able to handle the backlash from fans and oppositions like the way experienced players like Fred and Sanchez will.

afrodoc2:


Gomes and Chong have played a combined 259 minutes this season. That is an average of less 130 minutes (or 1.5 games). And these minutes are scattered over multiple games.
Playing a youngster a total of less than 2 games is not giving him opportunity. Ole had better rest the entire first 11 for those remaining Europa League games.

SAF did not play some young guys more than 30 minutes before taking the decision to send them away.

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eph12:

This is Gomez total minutes for two games in the Europa na. Maybe the talent is there, but he needs to grab the opportunity

This is over enough for SAF to take a decision on any player.

For instsnce we bought Tosic and he didnt play even one EPL game for us (to the best pf my knowledge). He had two appearances in cup fixtures. Bebe didnt appear in more than 2 EPL matches.

elampiro:


This is not how a coach instructs players. No coach will just say hug the touchline. Coaches build players to adapt to different situations. However, some players dont learn fast.

Someone who has been poor in decision making will not change overnight.

I was replying what Obainijazz said about what if it was what the coach had asked him to hug the line and whip crosses in.

So Martial and Rashford cannot still adapt to situations to find a way to be at least a little bit consistent regardless of the coaches instructions, after how many years? When can/will they change their poor decision making?

If you are saying we should still be patient with Rashford and Martial, no problem.

elampiro:


Does it not mean that Rashford and Martial are poor learners?

The two players Ole bought have improved our overall play. Some of the kids promoted from academy are also showing sign of consistency. McTominay (although promoted by Mourinho) and William. Is it not logical to say Ole is capable of building a new brand United when he eventually assembled new players in at least 7 positions?

You just confirmed what I have been saying that both Rashford and Martial will take us no where.

Although I still have doubts about Ole's ability to Manage this club.

Double jeopardy for us.

afrodoc2:


158 minutes in Europa plus 9 minutes in EPL = 167 minutes
Chong 68 minutes in Europa plus 24 minutes in EPL= 92 minutes.

How many THOUSANDS of minutes did you guys give Fred and Alexis Sanchez (seasoned pros) again? But you guys want young players stepping up from youth football to hit the ground running like Chidi Imoh.

How many minutes did SAF give Bebe, Tosic, and dozena of academy players? Coaches mostly see what they want in just few minutes.

You cannot put Sanchez in this kind of argument. World class players are given time. We had a simlar scenario with Torres at Liverpool and Schevchenko at Chelsea. As for Fred, may be the coaches saw he could be developed.

codedguy1:


I was replying what Obainijazz said about what if it was what the coach had asked him to hug the line and whip crosses in.

So Martial and Rashford cannot still adapt to situations to find a way to be at least a little bit consistent regardless of the coaches instructions, after how many years? When can/will they change their poor decision making?

If you are saying we should still be patient with Rashford and Martial, no problem.

You want us to sell the way Mourinho sold Salah?

elampiro:


You want us to sell the way Mourinho sold Salah?

One thing is sure, No matter what any coach says, the club is not selling Martial or Rashford anytime soon. Any coach that comes to Man utd will have to work with them or buy his own players and make Martial and Rashford squad players.

elampiro:


You want us to sell the way Mourinho sold Salah?

Well I dont know about selling.

If a player is good but has a coach that lacks the requisite ability to bring out the best in him, the player suffers.

If a player cannot adapt/interprete the instructions of the coach, the coach looks bad.

In our case we might have a little of both in the case of Ole, Rashford and Martial.

elampiro:


SAF did not play some young guys more than 30 minutes before taking the decision to send them away.

I understand afrodoc view. The other options are not doing much better but it's easier to trust a more experienced player that's not doing well than to trust a youngster with no experience. The youngster has to own that first chance

pharod:


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codedguy1:


I was replying what Obainijazz said about what if it was what the coach had asked him to hug the line and whip crosses in.

So Martial and Rashford cannot still adapt to situations to find a way to be at least a little bit consistent regardless of the coaches instructions, after how many years? When can/will they change their poor decision making?

If you are saying we should still be patient with Rashford and Martial, no problem.




You just confirmed what I have been saying that both Rashford and Martial will take us no where.

Although I still have doubts about Ole's ability to Manage this club.

Double jeopardy for us.

You were blaming Ole for those guys ineptitude and that was why I said wrong... You tried saying James is doing what he's doing now by himself, but I pointed out that he is playing according to instructions.

Ole was talking about high pressing beginning of the season but only James really does that in our attack.

How many coaches have coached those two guys now, those boys have talents.. Let them sabi follow taktits is the problem.

Look at the speed James and Mctominay recovers ball

codedguy1:


Well I dont know about selling.

If a player is good but has a coach that lacks the requisite ability to bring out the best in him, the player suffers.

If a player cannot adapt/interprete the instructions of the coach, the coach looks bad.

In our case we might have a little of both in the case of Ole, Rashford and Martial.

Some players need time. Even Ronaldo had to develop until 2016/2017 when he matured

elampiro:


SAF did not play some young guys more than 30 minutes before taking the decision to send them away.

I did not say Ole should play all the youth players. A few of them have been putting in good to great performances at youth and reserve level and have been identified by the club as players with potential. They should be given the opportunity to prove themselves.

The same SAF gave Luke Chadwick 25 EPL games before sending him away. He gave Ronnie Wallwork almost 20 EPL games before sending away.
Jonathan Greening got over 10 games and even made the squad for the 1999 UCL final but within 2 years he was sent packing.

Fletcher got so many games despite struggling, with people claiming SAF was using Scottish quota to pick him before he came good.

Frank Lampard struggled initially at West Ham with people claiming that he got into the squad because his uncle was manager and his father was assistant.

If you say you believe in a set of youth players it is nonsensical to claim that after a few minutes of football they are no longer good or should be discarded.

I don't know which player of this set (if any) will make it at United but so far this season they have not had enough opportunity.

For me , j believe a player like Rashford will come good eventually. Even it took Ronaldo some years at Man UTd before he started being productive. And Sir Alex believed in his abilities that is why he kept faith with Ronaldo. Ronaldo started having end product and high goal return in his last 2/3 season for Man utd.
Ronaldo was like Rashford during his early days with dribbles and runs with no sense and end product. Even Giggs said it in one of his interviews that they used to complain about him , that he doesn't have good team work. But when Ronaldo got better, it now turn to be s case of just getting the ball to Ronaldo and he will do his magic.

So Rashford needs time. More so, his goal return this season will be better than last season. He has 8/9 goals in all competitions already despite being wasteful and will probably get btw 15-20 by end of season if he keeps his heads down and take his chances as they come, which will be an improvement against last season.

My own is that A proper striker should be bought to give Martial some competition, since Ole doesn't want to Rush Greenwood into first team football, which is very understandable for the young boy.

I guess the coaching crew don't want to make the mistakes that our former coaches have made concerning easing young players gradually into the team

elampiro:


This is over enough for SAF to take a decision on any player.

For instsnce we bought Tosic and he didnt play even one EPL game for us (to the best pf my knowledge). He had two appearances in cup fixtures. Bebe didnt appear in more than 2 EPL matches.

Lies from the pits of Ekosodin.

How many years did SAF give the likes of Lee Sharpe, Greening, Wallwork, Chadwick, David Bellion, Kieran Richardson e.t.c before ultimately discarding them?

afrodoc2:

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I did not say Ole should play all the youth players. A few of them have been putting in good to great performances at youth and reserve level and have been identified by the club as players with potential. They should be given the opportunity to prove themselves.

The same SAF gave Luke Chadwick 25 EPL games before sending him away. He gave Ronnie Wallwork almost 20 EPL games before sending away.
Jonathan Greening got over 10 games and even made the squad for the 1999 UCL final but within 2 years he was sent packing.

Fletcher got so many games despite struggling, with people claiming SAF was using Scottish quota to pick him before he came good.

Frank Lampard struggled initially at West Ham with people claiming that he got into the squad because his uncle was manager and his father was assistant.

If you say you believe in a set of youth players it is nonsensical to claim that after a few minutes of football they are no longer good or should be discarded.

I don't know which of this set (if any) will make it at United but so far this season they have not had enough opportunity.

But OGS hasn't binned them yet. The season is still young and there are a lot of games to play. So don't conclude yet. I'm sure we will see some of them in the last two Europa League group matches.

So don't be an alarmist just yet.

afrodoc2:


Lies from the pits of Ekosodin.

How many years did SAF give the likes of Lee Sharpe, Greening, Wallwork, Chadwick, David Bellion, Kieran Richardson e.t.c before ultimately discarding them?

Don't just conclude that the guy is lying na. For every 5 players that got enough opportunities under SAF, there are much more that got few minutes before SAF discarded them. So it goes both ways.

obainojazz:
You were blaming Ole for those guys ineptitude and that was why I said wrong... You tried saying James is doing what he's doing now by himself, but I pointed out that he is playing according to instructions.

Ole was talking about high pressing beginning of the season but only James really does that in our attack.

How many coaches have coached those two guys now, those boys have talents.. Let them sabi follow taktits is the problem.

Look at the speed James and Mctominay recovers ball

Yes I was and that's because I still don't think Ole has the ability to manage this team from what I have seen. I maybe wrong though.

Again both Martial and Rashford have not helped matters. Apart from getting injured we have seen how martial can be annoying even with his talent during Mourinhos tenure. One game he is doing all the right things the next he has this forlorn face and attitude towards the game. Rashford the same thing.

When I said James was doing all by himself I simply meant he was finding a way regardless of whatever instructions he had been given.

If you agree they both have talent, could the coach be the problem? Or they can't adapt/ interprete instructions even with their talents.

Anyways I have agreed with Elampiro that we should give them time and by the time Ole gets about 7 of his own signings we will win the league back to back to back again

timay:


But OGS hasn't binned them yet. The season is still young and there are a lot of games to play. So don't conclude yet. I'm sure we will see some of them in the last two Europa League group matches.

So don't be an alarmist just yet.

I am not being alarmist. I know OGS has not binned them. I am just replying those claiming that the youth players have had enough opportunity to prove whether they are good enough or not.

codedguy1:


Yes I was and that's because I still don't think Ole has the ability to manage this team from what I have seen. I maybe wrong though.

Again both Martial and Rashford have not helped matters. Apart from getting injured we have seen how martial can be annoying even with his talent during Mourinhos tenure. One game he is doing all the right things the next he has this forlorn face and attitude towards the game. Rashford the same thing.

When I said James was doing all by himself I simply meant he was finding a way regardless of whatever instructions he had been given.

If you agree they both have talent, could the coach be the problem? Or they can't adapt/ interprete instructions even with their talents.

Anyways I have agreed with Elampiro that we should give them time and by the time Ole gets about 7 of his own signings we will win the league back to back to back again

Let's not lie, we need 7 signings

timay:


Don't just conclude that the guy is lying na. For every 5 players that got enough opportunities under SAF, there are much more that got few minutes before SAF discarded them. So it goes both ways.

He said ANY player. If you say SAF decided on SOME players after a few minutes that is right, but for some others it took even SAF several games and in a few cases several years to decide whether they were good enough or not.

obainojazz:
Let's not lie, we need 7 signings

Only 7?

Let's just hope we don't start blaming the scouts afterwards

Our scouts are blind. They all need help from Unlimited22.

It was during 2016 Olympics when we were strongly linked to Gabriel Barbosa while Man City was strongly linked to Gabriel Jesus that i knew our scouts have significant visual impairment.