SkimpleD:

Only in league and cup games. What happened to UCL games in the knockout stages? For a manager like Pep, it is expected he does better at the bigger stages. I believe this is where tactics are tweaked to ‘grind’ out results. Pep is just a rigid manager who would rather lose than play long balls to his striker to score.

Even though you are right that he can be rigid, you are wrong @ KO stages. Afterall, he has won 2 UCLs. Alot of things go into losing a game in the UCL. Sometimes, you just need LUCK.

raumdeuter:
bikeman how was this different from the Trent handball yesterday

"The UCL and EPL are not the same"

Who else watched that Jordy Morris video, a response to Jose Mourinho criticism of our performance against top teams.... I think Jordy Morris was childish and immature with the video.

SkimpleD:

Only in league and cup games. What happened to UCL games in the knockout stages? For a manager like Pep, it is expected he does better at the bigger stages. I believe this is where tactics are tweaked to ‘grind’ out results. Pep is just a rigid manager who would rather lose than play long balls to his striker to score.

Of all coaches you have known in the CL history of over 50yrs how many do you know that have won more than him, Name about 5 that have won more CL titles

SkimpleD:

That’s true.

With our present smoking hot form, can we win City at Etihad since we can win Liverpool at anfield too?

We have played Liverpool twice this season and judging from that game I look forward to 3points against them in the return fixture. Can't say about a team we are yet to play.

Eruditor:


Even though you are right that he can be rigid, you are wrong @ KO stages. Afterall, he has won 2 UCLs. Alot of things go into losing a game in the UCL. Sometimes, you just need LUCK.

Luck, No. I believe more in flexibility, knowing how to adapt to different teams tactics and tweaking them to ones benefits. I see Kloop doing that more often.

As much as Pep plays a very fine brand of football, he still relies on individual brilliance to see through matches; Messi comes to mind. It’s no brainer that since he left the ‘goat’, he hasn’t been able to win another UCL title.

raumdeuter:


Of all coaches you have known in the CL history of over 50yrs how many do you know that have won more than him, Name about 5 that have won more CL titles

What does this prove egbon?

You can argue with emotions eeh.

airmark:


Raumdeuter's non-local Fraaudiola.

If care is not taken he may send City to europa next season if they don't give him millions to buy in January.

Lol, why can't city win the UCL?

Hazardfan1:


Lol, why can't city win the UCL?

LOL Why can't Hazard score 30 goals this season

SkimpleD:

Needed him to shut those Pool fans booing him.

Raheem was the only bright outlet in City’s forward line for a long period of time. Dude is a fine player.

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SkimpleD:
What does this prove egbon?

You can argue with emotions eeh.

You are asking Pep to do what how many people have done in history?

What you call emotions is what I call logic. Pep come and prove yourself in EPL, he has done that. WHy the need for post shifting when you didnt ask him to win the CL

The so called Great Alex Ferguson won 2 CL in his entire career. When are you going to question him for not winning more

raumdeuter:


LOL Why can't Hazard score 30 goals this season

I asked you first, answer me. More than 3 seasons gone, Pep can't win the UCL without Messi?

SkimpleD:

Luck, No. I believe more in flexibility, knowing how to adapt to different teams tactics and tweaking them to ones benefits. I see Kloop doing that more often.

As much as Pep plays a very fine brand of football, he still relies on individual brilliance to see through matches; Messi comes to mind. It’s no brainer that since he left the ‘goat’, he hasn’t been able to win another UCL title.

What flexibility will make VAR not spot Llorente handball goal vs Spurs which condemned him to a loss

Those flexible coaches how many CLs have they won? Pep left Messi 7yrs ago, Shebi Messi is winning the CL every season

Hazardfan1:
I asked you first, answer me. More than 3 seasons gone, Pep can't win the UCL without Messi?

No one told Pep to come and win CL, they told him to come and prove himself in EPL and I am sure he has cleared your doubt

raumdeuter:


You are asking Pep to do what how many people have done in history?

What you call emotions is what I call logic. Pep come and prove yourself in EPL, he has done that. WHy the need for post shifting when you didnt ask him to win the CL

The so called Great Alex Ferguson won 2 CL in his entire career. When are you going to question him for not winning more

Pep coached a Barça team that was the best in four years with players that could walk into any team but he delivered only two CL in four years.. Should have been one, thanks to ovrebo the Barça ref.

Zidane's team was the best in Europe and he delivered 3 CL to show for it.. No luck needed.. When fergie's team was up there with other European teams.. He delivered CL.

Mourinho's Porto and inter Millan were not the best then, I'm not even sure they were top five but he delivered CL.. It's a simple stuff..

Pep coached a Bayern team that won CL the previous season and I'll say they were the number one or two team the next three seasons but he turned them to Norwich city whenever they faced ororo or Messi.

obainojazz:
Pep coached a Barça team that was the best in four years with players that could walk into any team but he delivered only two CL in four years.. Should have been one, thanks to ovrebo the Barça ref.

Zidane's team was the best in Europe and he delivered 3 CL to show for it.. No luck needed.. When fergie's team was up there with other European teams.. He delivered CL.

Mourinho's Porto and inter Millan were not the best then, I'm not even sure they were top five but he delivered CL.. It's a simple stuff..

Pep coached a Bayern team that won CL the previous season and I'll say they were the number one or two team the next three seasons but he turned them to Norwich city whenever they faced ororo or Messi.

Where was Barcelona before Pep took over? Trophyless. Where were these fantastic players doing at Barca before Pep joined? Xavi was on his way out, Messi was a winger barely scoring 20goals. Who were Pique, Busquets etc These players who were trophyless sudenly became stars when Pep took over

Pep came sent out the teams chairmen like Ronaldinho and Deco. Brought a reject Pique and youth team Busquets and won 6 trophies in the next 18 months. That is legendary

Zidane took over the same team who won La decima and won 3 more titles for them. Nice

Ferguson had over 3 decades of coaching he spent 20yrs at Man Utd and could only deliver 2 CL titles. Average

Mourinho coached Ronaldo for 3yrs and delivered 0 CL titles.

raumdeuter:


Where was Barcelona before Pep took over? Trophyless. Where were these fantastic players doing at Barca before Pep joined? Xavi was on his way out, Messi was a winger barely scoring 20goals. Who were Pique, Busquets etc These players who were trophyless sudenly became stars when Pep took over

Pep came sent out the teams chairmen like Ronaldinho and Deco. Brought a reject Pique and youth team Busquets and won 6 trophies in the next 18 months. That is legendary

Zidane took over the same team who won La decima and won 3 more titles for them

Ferguson had over 3 decades of coaching he spent 20yrs at Man Utd and could only deliver 2 CL titles

Mourinho coached Ronaldo for 3yrs and delivered 0 CL titles.

Xavi was on his way out, same old story..Pep left Barça and these players were still the best in the world.. It's a case of perfect timing and I commend him for using them.. Since it was all pep, why is he not winning again..

How many times was fergie's team the top in Europe.. Fergie builds his team to last not going to buy all the best players..

Elnino4ladies:
Who else watched that Jordy Morris video, a response to Jose Mourinho criticism of our performance against top teams.... I think Jordy Morris was childish and immature with the video.

Jody has always been a hothead known for fights and getting in trouble with the law during his playing days. People at the top.are taking note of his behaviour. Football has given him a second chance to make some decent money and settle his family, he should be careful of his behaviour. He does not have millions in the bank to fall back on.

SkimpleD:

Luck, No. I believe more in flexibility, knowing how to adapt to different teams tactics and tweaking them to ones benefits. I see Kloop doing that more often.

More often but he has won less? It means his style is not as successful.

I did not say LUCK is the only reason people don't win. I said sometimes luck is the reason someone like Pep did not win. Last season against Tottenham is an example.

As much as Pep plays a very fine brand of football, he still relies on individual brilliance to see through matches; Messi comes to mind. It’s no brainer that since he left the ‘goat’, he hasn’t been able to win another UCL title.

Sometimes, you'd be making sense then you'd remember that you have to pander to your CFC fanbase then you'd veer off.

A coach sets-up a system to maximise the individual talents of his players. For e.g Messi's individual brilliance is still there yet EV is not winning UCLs or trebles. Why? because his system is not fully maximizing the potential of all the players at his disposal.

Fabinho's goal yesterday is it not individual brilliance?

Eruditor:


Bet on Hazard. I cannot bet on the UCL sorry. I can bet on individual games and ties in the UCL though.

If Fraudiola fails to win both epl and ucl, will you call him a failed/local coach or a fraud?

obainojazz:
Xavi was on his way out, same old story..Pep left Barça and these players were still the best in the world.. It's a case of perfect timing and I commend him for using them.. Since it was all pep, why is he not winning again..

How many times was fergie's team the top in Europe.. Fergie builds his team to last not going to buy all the best players..

Cockamamie.

When Pep's barca players win - it proves it was them. But it does not show that he built the team to last?

Sane, Bernardo were the best players around were and at what age? They were not built to last?

airmark:


If Fraudiola fails to win both epl and ucl, will you call him a failed/local coach or a fraud?

Call Mourinho a fraud first for his last 2 seasons in United.

Call Hazard a fraud for his time so far in RM.

Then we can discuss.

obainojazz:
Xavi was on his way out, same old story..Pep left Barça and these players were still the best in the world.. It's a case of perfect timing and I commend him for using them.. Since it was all pep, why is he not winning again..

How many times was fergie's team the top in Europe.. Fergie builds his team to last not going to buy all the best players..

Xavi was being chased out for being a terrible widfielder, he was called the cancer of Barcelona, and by the time he ended his career, everyone was calling Xavi one of the best midfielders ever

Pep left Barca in 2012, they are the best in the world, I will presume they have won 7 CL in those 7yrs, these best players in the world won 2 in 4 yrs but immediately Pep left they havent won 2 in 7yrs

Why isnt he winning again? Your Ferguson won 2 in 30yrs, Mourinho won 2 in almost 20yrs of coaching but Pep must be winning it all the time

obainojazz:
[s]Pep coached a Barça team that was the best in four years with players that could walk into any team but he delivered only two CL in four years.. Should have been one, thanks to ovrebo the Barça ref.[/s]

Zidane's team was the best in Europe and he delivered 3 CL to show for it.. No luck needed.. [s]When fergie's team was up there with other European teams.. He delivered CL. [/s]

[s]Mourinho's Porto and inter Millan were not the best then, I'm not even sure they were top five but he delivered CL.. It's a simple stuff..

Pep coached a Bayern team that won CL the previous season and I'll say they were the number one or two team the next three seasons but he turned them to Norwich city whenever they faced ororo or Messi.[/s]

So what league titles was Zidane winning in those same 3 years? Why was his team not beating Barca in the league if he was delivering?

raumdeuter:


Xavi was being chased out for being a terrible widfielder, he was called the cancer of Barcelona, and by the time he ended his career, everyone was calling Xavi one of the best midfielders ever

Pep left Barca in 2012, they are the best in the world, I will presume they have won 7 CL in those 7yrs, these best players in the world won 2 in 4 yrs but immediately Pep left they havent won 2 in 7yrs

Why isnt he winning again? Your Ferguson won 2 in 30yrs, Mourinho won 2 in almost 20yrs of coaching but Pep must be winning it all the time

Simple.. Madrid started winning egbon.

raumdeuter:


You are asking Pep to do what how many people have done in history?

What you call emotions is what I call logic. Pep come and prove yourself in EPL, he has done that. WHy the need for post shifting when you didnt ask him to win the CL

The so called Great Alex Ferguson won 2 CL in his entire career. When are you going to question him for not winning more

Lol. Can you quote where I posted the bolded? Or forever stop singing it like a nursery rhyme.

The so called Great Alex Ferguson managed sides like Barca? Or a great team like Bayern? Or an Arab money team like ManCity?


See why your emotional outbursts won’t help you?

Eruditor:


So what league titles was Zidane winning in those same 3 years? Why was his team not beating Barca in the league if he was delivering?

Madrid not being able to win la liga is not what I will be discussing.. Plus Barça team ain't bad.. They are always favorite to win CL and la liga.

SkimpleD:

Lol. Can you quote where I posted the bolded?

The so called Great Alex Ferguson managed sides like Barca? Or a great team like Bayern? Or an Arab money team like ManCity?


See why your emotional outbursts won’t help you?

No mind Dayo..

Eruditor:


Cockamamie.

When Pep's barca players win - it proves it was them. But it does not show that he built the team to last?

Sane, Bernardo were the best players around were and at what age? They were not built to last?

I was talking about fergie era.. Compare his players with that of other teams in those years..

This Man city team is far better than any team in England currently and should be winning everything... Look at their bench, Mahrez was once rates higher than Salah.. B. Silva came from a team that produced Mbappe and Co. they were reallt good.. So whenever they lose, no excuses... We gats troll them.

obainojazz:
Simple.. Madrid started winning egbon.

Did they establish Madrid after Pep left Barcelona or why werent they winning again? Did these great players that carried Pep die?

SkimpleD:

Lol. Can you quote where I posted the bolded? Or forever stop singing it like a nursery rhyme.

The so called Great Alex Ferguson managed sides like Barca? Or a great team like Bayern? Or an Arab money team like ManCity?


See why your emotional outbursts won’t help you?

That was the chorus of EPL fans on this forum. And I have quoted at least 4 of them in the past who said it

Ferguson managed Manchester United a club richer than Barcelona Bayern and Man City. Fergie was there breaking transfer fees record for fun

Pallister Stam and Rio were most expensive defenders

obainojazz:
I was talking about fergie era.. Compare his players with that of other teams in those years..

This Man city team is far better than any team in England currently and should be winning everything... Look at their bench, Mahrez was once rates higher than Salah.. B. Silva came from a team that produced Mbappe and Co. they were reallt good.. So whenever they lose, no excuses... We gats troll them.

If you didnt watch most of fergusons era, some of us did, Fergusons teams were better than any team in England that was why he could win the league easily without breaking sweat. when he is tired he will allow Wenger to win one