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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 11:58pm On Nov 11, 2019 |
Eruditor:I agree a coach needs to set up his system to maximize players talents. EV’s tactical onus cannot be compared to Pep’s. I think you are becoming emotional too. I never undermined Peps brilliance. My stance has been that Pep is rigid; sets up his team in a particular fashion and when things go south, would require an individual brilliance to see it through. So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Peps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 11:59pm On Nov 11, 2019 |
raumdeuter:Manchester United was one club. Can you name another club he managed where he was expected to win UCL? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:00am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: Can you answer the quoted question you asked and change the name of the coach from Pep to any other coach E.g So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Zidanes/Contes/ Mourinhos/Klopps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:02am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: That meant Ferguson had stability in the richest club and with virtually no rival domestically for half of his tenure and could only win 2 CL titles in 20yrs That is a terrible record Its like Pep coaching the richest team in Europe and his next biggest rival in the league is Arsenal. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:07am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: lol. Every manager does that. Only difference is Pep's style more often than EVERY OTHER MANAGER's does NOT rely on moments of individual brilliance for his team to be bailed out. They beat Tottenham 4-3 and beat Monaco 5-3. If VAR was being rightly used, then City should have lost 2-1 to LFC first leg and then led 2-0 second leg before half time. So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Peps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe? I don't know the game where his talented players were marked all through especially when you look at the stats of the game. Do you think Klopp set up for City to have all that possession, corners etc? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 12:09am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:Are you making excuses for Pep now? raumdeuter:The Key word in my discourse with erudi.tor was ‘Pep’s rigid tactics’. For once, argue with a sane mind. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 12:13am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:I was talking about Europe... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:15am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: Making excuses for Pep? How can I make excuses for someone who shat on your favourite league. If rigid tactics was the problem, the coaches with unrigid tactics what have they won? You claimed Pep has not been winning because he is rigid, at least we should see what those who are not rigid are winning if someone claimed you are not tall only because you don't eat beans, what will be the next logical question? The people eating beans are they taller? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:16am On Nov 12, 2019 |
obainojazz: In Europe he won the CL two times in 20yrs while managing the biggest and richest team where he had absolute control and was breaking transfer fee records for fun 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 12:27am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor:I think so. From the first minute, Klopp’s fullbacks had already started with long balls to the attackers in a bid to by pass City’s midfield and it worked well resulting in two quick goals. Even the third goal was also a cross into the City defence. Klopps’ aim was to score as many goals as possible before City gained control of the match. Only Sterling I think had much of the ball and he was well isolated from the rest of the attackers too. Let’s not forget that Firmino and Manè missed some begging chances also. Let’s let it slide though. Pep is a brilliant manager, I just feel he needs to tweak and be flexible sometimes with his tactics to see through difficult matches. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 12:32am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:Why does it sound like you are still pained from yesterday’s match? Tears are just littered all over this post. When you are emotionally stable, we go discuss. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:35am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: Seems you have been found out on logic once more and you cannot cope Pep is rigid, thats why he isnt winning, how are the unrigid coaches faring? Are they winning? Skimple does not eat beans thats why he isnt tall, the people eating beans day and night, are they tall? Simple logic but the shekpite in you must show 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SkimpleD: 12:47am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:Egbon, why you never still wan get sense na. Can you quote where I said the bolded? You always let your emotions affect your hands while typing. Pep is a good coach and his tactics have been working fine for him but when he meets a team whose tactics are ‘unorthodox’ and matches his team toe to toe, he should bow and lose? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:21am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor: Mou had passed the acid test by winning the ucl twice with different set of players, without Ronaldo or Messi. When will Fraudiola achieve same without Messi? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:31am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor: Fraudiola left Messi, Messi won UCL. Fraudiola left Messi, Fraudiola never won UCL. Messi is Fraudiola's lord and saviour. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BikeMan: 1:37am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor:Wait! What is your argument? City would win the league or City would beat Liverpool? My own is you're merely hoping and praying at this stage that Liverpool would slump. As per your age, take it to the bank man, na Nairaland be this 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 1:41am On Nov 12, 2019 |
SkimpleD: LOL You are analyzing from final score back to the game. That is already flawed. First goal was from long range. ZERO tactics. The only tactical thing Liverpool deployed was to use destroyers in midfield to press City midfield and win the ball upfront. In other words, capitalize on mistake. Then plan 2: use long balls not just to bypass the midfield but to minimize the odds of making their own mistakes in their own half. Were they winning the ball in midfield? No. That is why they were pegged back in their half. Because City were breaking through the press which was causing LFC to use the low block and triple team the wingers Raheem and Bernardo. Like I said before, Aguero and Walker had great heading chances but were not as clinical as Salah and Mane. That is why I have maintained that they were simply clinical, LFC. Not that Pep's tactics failed. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 1:43am On Nov 12, 2019 |
BikeMan: Who is referring to age? lol. I am not hoping for Liverpool to slump. I know they will. I already said Manchester City will win the league and that at the Etihad City will also beat Liverpool. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 1:45am On Nov 12, 2019 |
airmark: If Messi is the reason, he should win again. Pep won 2. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 1:45am On Nov 12, 2019 |
airmark: But he failed with Ronaldo? So having great players is not the only reason. Thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BikeMan: 2:02am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:No need for story. Pic 1: Veltman with his hand by his side before Odoi's shot Pic 2: Veltman's hand no longer by his side in a bid to obstruct the ball. This was not a case of "ball to hand", Veltman could have dodged that ball successfully but my man was scared of the outcome.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BikeMan: 2:03am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor:Will you eat your hands if Liverpool win this league? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:44am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Eruditor: Who should win again? Without Messi, Fraudiola is just one of those local coaches. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 3:25am On Nov 12, 2019 |
BikeMan: Yes I will. I even put my money as well. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 3:26am On Nov 12, 2019 |
airmark: Messi should win again. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Obere4u: 4:29am On Nov 12, 2019 |
BikeMan: So Arnold hand was beside him before and after the shot from Sterling? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 5:48am On Nov 12, 2019 |
Na wa o. This L never finish for Pep fanboys body. I don’t blame them. Even Sterling sef never digest am. 5 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 5:49am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter: But ur asking Hazard to do what how many wingers are doing #hypocrite 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 5:51am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter: At least Messi has one more than Pep could manage in that time |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 5:53am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:pls who are the "they" But how do you know who told who what |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:02am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter:because a player was on his way out, doesn't undermine his ability on the ball... Mou did sell KDB and Salah Barely scoring 20goals, one would think this is not the same player, Ronaldinho referred to as being better than him... Or the same player already turning heads but at games... Busquets was a player he knew and could trust, he had yaya and other top players for DM and CB positions... Mehn any average CB playing with Puyol will perform ask the players Pep put in CB as makeshift. What Zidane did has no bench mark for comparison, in fact if anything it make pep look like pop. Both Zidane and Mou improved their teams which we can't say for pep in UCL.. Taking the best Bayern to trash heap and after making a better man city, still cant do better. Mind you, this two teams Bayern and City under pep are considered having some of the best players in world football... So no excuse. City we're winning the league and doing just fine without pep.. And even if he goes they will still do fine. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:09am On Nov 12, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Xavi and Puyol |
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