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alBHAGDADI:


Where in the Bible does it say saved people who continue in sin will go to hell fire? Nowhere is such found in the Bible. Saved people who sin are only punished here on Earth by God their father. God scourges as chastens his children who sin to keep them obeying him.

Hebrews 12:6-11 (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The Bible also states that our earthly fathers correct us when we do wrong. How many earthly fathers have you seen feed their son to a lion? None. Yet you think God will send his own children who carry his spirit to hell fire?

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

You are here expecting man to be without sin. If it were possible for man to be sinless, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come. During his days, he said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone". No one could cast a stone because they were all sinners. Yet you believe a man exists today, in this corrupt and immoral world, that is without sin.


1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


You have made God a liar by saying man has to be without sin before he can make heaven. You made God a list who said we are all sinners and there is none righteous, no not one.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Well, you are a liar, that's why you believe one has to be sinless to make heaven. Whereas, the word of God says we are all sinners.


Romans 3:23-26 (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

As seen above, we are all sinners. The only ones justified in the sight of God Almighty are the ones who have been justified through their believe in Jesus, not the works of righteousness.

We will always sin as long as we exist in this flesh because the spirit and flesh are at battle. Guess what? The sins don't send us to hell. Why? Because Jesus Christ is our advocate who ensures we don't come into condemnation.


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


The Bible also advised us to not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when we sin. However, that same Holy Spirit has SEALED us for all eternity and just waiting to redeem what he has sealed.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

The reason we are afraid of sinning is because we fear God and don't want him to visit us with the curses in Deutoronomy 28 which he places on those who disobey his commandments. As for sin sending us to hell fire, that's a lie.

I've gone against you with the word of God. All you've done is spew your own understanding. What has Satan promised you that is making you so eager to hinder people from getting saved?

I pray the word of God doesn't stand against you on Judgement day because everything you wrote here are just fables and can never be in line with the true Gospel, you just misinterpreted the entire passages you mentioned here.

If you're truly saved you won't wallow in abject iniquities again, don't be deceived a dot on your garment on the day of judgement can make you perish. I wished I could type

But I pray God opens your understanding to learn his word properly.

smartkester:
I pray the word of God doesn't stand against you on Judgement day because everything you wrote here are just fables and can never be in line with the true Gospel, you just misinterpreted the entire passages you mentioned here.

If you're truly saved you won't wallow in abject iniquities again, don't be deceived a dot on your garment on the day of judgement can make you perish. I wished I could type

But I pray God opens your understanding to learn his word properly.

@bold

What is the true gospel?

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?

Heaven or Hell?

A good question for the once saved always saved (OSAS) crew....

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?

Heaven or Hell?

alBHAGDADI , I would like an answer to my question.

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?

Heaven or Hell?

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed. That's because the Holy Spirit which God has given us is not a spirit of fear but of sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.


Take a look at the fruit of the spirit which will be displayed in the life of a Christian which can never make him depressed nor commit suicide.


Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

1StopRudeness:


Let me get this straight, u are saying church isn’t people or persons it’s a building Christ was referring to ??
I don’t get...please enlighten me...even if Christ is speaking to an entire church the people that are the body of Christ and part of the church are not being referred to.....??
So how do one admonish or edify or bless a church but it’s doesn’t concern the people ??

Secondly i get the aim of today’s thread that it isn’t a license for sin...
my question was, formerly when u began his doctrine, what was ur aim cos u strongly stressed the doctrine so much without really stressing that it isn’t a license for sin...
What is the aim of “once saved ever saved doctrine” when u started it...cos to me,u sound like u just don’t want people to worry to much about their sins being an hiderance to getting to heaven

Albhagdadi..that’s how u refuse to answer this my question since morning....Haba!!!

Harshirama:


Lol, Judas wasn't born again, none of the apostles were till after Jesus died

I said he was saved just liked John the Baptist was saved, I never used the word born gain, so don't twist my statements to prove your perversion.
I'm very careful of what I type.

Revelation 21:7- He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 

 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It seems John the beloved made a mistake when he put this statement in the book of revelation.

shadeyinka:

A Tare and Wheat plant may look the same but they are genetically different.

The evidence of salvation is the fruit that emanates NOT a profession of mouth. A wheat plant may have just one seed instead of multiples of 100s, yet it's still a wheat plant. Those are the ones saved as by fire.

He who continues in sin is certainly not a NEW creature. He is still his old self with a deceptive look of a wheat

Who bears fruit determines who is saved, and not who is saved determines who bears fruit.

That's why God looks at who bears fruits to determine who is saved and who He cuts down and sends to the fire.

John 15:2 (KJV)

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Hence why we must bear fruits because that's what determines if we're saved or not. And it's only when we bear fruits that the Father can help us bear more fruits.

Any suggestion of the otherwise is from the pit of hell and encourages men to continue in sin so they would end up there.

Jude 4- For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 5  I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

 17  But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

 18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

 19  These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

These illuminati and false pastors have really turned the grace of God into lasciviousness as spoken by Jude, well the Bible tells us that they never had the Spirit of God in the first place.

The words of our Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Revelation 2: 19-  I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

 20  Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

 21  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

 22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

 23  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

It's left for you to decide, wether to follow the truth of God's word or to go with this illuminati perversion called once saved forever saved.

He that is filthy and unjust can continue in his filth and unjustness, and he that is holy and righteous can decide to continue in his holiness and righteousness.

Magnoliaa:


Maybe it is the Iniquity of not believing in Jesus, but definitely not Iniquities of the flesh - like lying, stealing, breaking God's commandments and not doing what he expect of us, etc. Unless you're saying a person automatically stops being HUMAN when he accept Jesus. Which will be unrealistic.

Lol!

You're funny oh!

You think you can't be human and not continue in iniquity?

That not true because if not Jesus wouldn't tell the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more.

That should tell you that being human doesn't mean you can't stop sinning, so it is very realistic.

And this is not saying that one would never make mistakes or fall into sin, for In that case it is the exception. But when it a lifestyle and the norm, it's a sure banker for hell.

As for the meaning of iniquity, if it was just merely believing in Jesus, the road to eternal life would be broad when you consider how many people do that, but it's narrow because it's not.

content208:


If you commit sin after being saved, you will go to hell. Simple. The consequences of sin (before or after salvation) is death. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.

That means you're going to hell according to what you mean.

Praivit0:


I said he was saved just liked John the Baptist was saved, I never used the word born gain, so don't twist my statements to prove your perversion.
I'm very careful of what I type.

What's the difference between saved and born again? Remember Jesus still had to preach the gospel to those who were dead already after he died

content208:


If you commit sin after being saved, you will go to hell. Simple. The consequences of sin (before or after salvation) is death. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.

You're hell bent on going to heaven based on your own works just like the Pharisees

alBHAGDADI:


A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed. That's because the Holy Spirit which God has given us is not a spirit of fear but of sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.


Take a look at the fruit of the spirit which will be displayed in the life of a Christian which can never make him depressed nor commit suicide.


Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

I love this response.

Bnimz:
if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits Suicide, where is the person going?
Heaven or Hell?

In the definitive? Only God knows.

jclassiq:
This albaghdadi shouldn't be taken seriously because he is dabbling into a territory that he is not conversant with. People who aren't serious with their heavenly race will always look for the easiest way out. They device cheap means to console themselves. But God is not mocked. The real worshippers will be revealed on that last when everything shall be tested by the fire.

alBHAGDADI:
A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed. That's because the Holy Spirit which God has given us is not a spirit of fear but of sound mind.
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Take a look at the fruit of the spirit which will be displayed in the life of a Christian which can never make him depressed nor commit suicide.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

What does it take to answer that Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm?

The question was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell?

We do know that God takes away his Holy Spirit and also that God's spirit does leave or departs from people, so alBHAGDADI talking about a Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him/her is irrelevant to giving an outright answer to the Bnimz question. Smh.

jesusjnr:
Who bears fruit determines who is saved, and not who is saved determines who bears fruit.

That's why God looks at who bears fruits to determine who is saved and who He cuts down and sends to the fire.

John 15:2 (KJV)

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Hence why we must bear fruits because that's what determines if we're saved or not. And it's only when we bear fruits that the Father can help us bear more fruits.

Any suggestion of the otherwise is from the pit of hell and encourages men to continue in sin so they would end up there.

Any "branch" that bear no fruit is NOT His as Gods DNA is not in such.

One who is truely saved must bear fruit. If he isn't, then he isn't saved.

Mat 7:16: "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Mat 7:17: "Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit."

Mat 7:18: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

alBHAGDADI:


We do nothing to earn salvation because it is a gift from God. Or do you pay when someone gives you a GIFT?

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

none of those things which precede justification—whether faith or works—merit the grace itself of justification.” This means that no man can work himself into a state of justification. The New Covenant is not a system of works righteousness whereby a person can please God and earn heaven by doing a number of good deeds. This is what Paul is driving at in Ephesians 2. He is not saying that sin cannot separate us from Christ.

When he gave a litany of created things that can not separate us from the love of God in Romans 8:39, notice that he did not say, “neither fornication nor adultery nor drunkenness nor murder will separate us from the love of God.” He was well aware that if we choose sin, we renounce Christ. In 1 Corinthians 15:1–2, Paul says, “Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.” So, you could believe, but fail to hold fast to the gospel, and not be saved (cf. 2 Pet. 2:20).

This is why Paul spoke in the book of Romans about the “obedience of faith” (Rom. 1:5, 16:26). It is not enough that one call Jesus Lord, for, as he said, “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 7:21; cf. Matt. 10:33, 18:35). If we are disobedient, God will “take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city” (Rev 22:19).

Just because you may choose to no longer hold fast to what was freely given to you does not mean that you were ever capable of earning what was given to you in the first place. The same is true of earthly sonship—it cannot be earned. But if you were adopted, you would be free to run away as a prodigal son and lose your inheritance.

alBHAGDADI:

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him can't commit suicide nor become depressed.

This is not an answer to my question bro..

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit is still a human being with free will.

Assuming a number of things happen and this individual does in fact commit suicide, where is the person's eternal destination?

If you are so sure it is impossible to lose salvation regardless of what you do, you should be able to confidently say that the Christian is going to heaven even if he commits suicide....


So, what is your answer, heaven or hell?

Bnimz:


This is not an answer to my question bro..

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit is still a human being with free will.

Assuming a number of things happen and this individual does in fact commit suicide, where is the person's eternal destination?

If you are so sure it is impossible to lose salvation regardless of what you do, you should be able to confidently say that the Christian is going to heaven even if he commits suicide....


So, what is your answer, heaven or hell?

An interesting clap back...
Observing the proceedings...

alBHAGDADI:


This is how Satan uses scriptures to deceived the unsaved. Look at how you quoted those verses out of context to kick against Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

The passages in Mathew 24 and Mark 13 are not speaking about the same subject and it is the end times tribulations.

Ask yourself: What is it that people are to endure before they will be saved? They key is in verse 9


Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The Bible went on to state that unless the days during which the killings and persecutions are shortened, no flesh will be saved.

Matthew 24:22 (KJV)
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Did you take note of the word flesh above? That's what needs to endure to be saved. The flesh needs to endure the persecutions till Jesus Christ will come in the end time and save the recipient through rapture. But you have mistaken it to mean if we don't endure (what exactly?) we won't be saved.

I lost a friend to cold hands of death, I tried to get her to start going to church but I never thought of leading her to Christ cos at the moment even I had forgotten about spiritual matters and serving God. So I felt like she will probably just repent and still go back to chronic alcoholism and it would have been a waste getting her saved at first since she could stand a chance of going to hell. I was ignorant, she died before I found the truth and till this day I am pained, I only hope that my close friend who prayed for her before her death led her to Christ.

smartkester:
I pray the word of God doesn't stand against you on Judgement day because everything you wrote here are just fables and can never be in line with the true Gospel, you just misinterpreted the entire passages you mentioned here.

If you're truly saved you won't wallow in abject iniquities again, don't be deceived a dot on your garment on the day of judgement can make you perish. I wished I could type

But I pray God opens your understanding to learn his word properly.

you way you said that pridefully like you are very sure a jot won't be found on your garment. Anyone I see that rejects Salvation is see as prideful person and surprise might await them. You are telling God he wasted his own time for sending Jesus to die for you that you can live right for your own justification. Your act do not justify you only your belief in the finished work of the cross. You are saved to work you don't work to be saved! You can't work to be saved, if humans could do that Jesus wouldn't have come to die for us.

Bnimz:


This is not an answer to my question bro..

A Christian who has the Holy Spirit is still a human being with free will.

Assuming a number of things happen and this individual does in fact commit suicide, where is the person's eternal destination?

If you are so sure it is impossible to lose salvation regardless of what you do, you should be able to confidently say that the Christian is going to heaven even if he commits suicide....


So, what is your answer, heaven or hell?

MuttleyLaff:
In the definitive? Only God knows.



What does it take to answer that Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm?

The question was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell?

We do know that God takes away his Holy Spirit and also that God's spirit does leave or departs from people, so alBHAG.DADI talking about a Christian who has the Holy Spirit in him/her is irrelevant to giving an outright answer to the Bnimz question. Smh.

What's wrong with you both?

I already told you that a Christian can't descend low to the level of committing suicide, same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. This is because he has the Holy Spirit in him. So, there's no point even making assumptions of "what if".

There's no "what if" because God won't allow his children descend low to that level. Mention one child of God that committed suicide in the Bible. You won't find any. But we have Judas who was a devil. He killed himself. He sold Jesus while Peter denied Jesus. Both men committed horrible sins against Jesus. How come Peter didn't kill himself like Judas did? Peter didn't do so because God was protecting him

Luke 22:31-32 (KJV)
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.


Until you show me an instance of a child of God in the Bible who killed himself, this your assumption of "what if" is just an assumption that can never happen and not worth even threading upon. You have no biblical instance to back up a notion that a Christian or child of God can commit suicide. So why do you expect me to start arguing on what the Bible doesn't support or show to be likely?

Before you start citing instances wrongly, let me explain certain things to you. Saul committed suicide because the Holy Spirit left him. Back then the Holy Spirit just use to descend on God's anointed e.g prophets, kings. God had to promise that he will pour his spirit on all flesh later on which Peter confirmed.


Joel 2:28-32 King James Version (KJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


Acts 2:15-21 King James Version (KJV)
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Today, he dwells in us forever and has sealed us unto Jesus comes to redeem us.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”



Saul was rejected by God because he was disobedient. The Holy Spirit left him because his duty was not to seal him like we are sealed. Same thing with Samson.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.


Judges 16:20
And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.

chigbo25:




none of those things which precede justification—whether faith or works—merit the grace itself of justification.” This means that no man can work himself into a state of justification. The New Covenant is not a system of works righteousness whereby a person can please God and earn heaven by doing a number of good deeds. This is what Paul is driving at in Ephesians 2. He is not saying that sin cannot separate us from Christ.

When he gave a litany of created things that can not separate us from the love of God in Romans 8:39, notice that he did not say, “neither fornication nor adultery nor drunkenness nor murder will separate us from the love of God.” He was well aware that if we choose sin, we renounce Christ. In 1 Corinthians 15:1–2, Paul says, “Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.” So, you could believe, but fail to hold fast to the gospel, and not be saved (cf. 2 Pet. 2:20).

This is why Paul spoke in the book of Romans about the “obedience of faith” (Rom. 1:5, 16:26). It is not enough that one call Jesus Lord, for, as he said, “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 7:21; cf. Matt. 10:33, 18:35). If we are disobedient, God will “take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city” (Rev 22:19).

Just because you may choose to no longer hold fast to what was freely given to you does not mean that you were ever capable of earning what was given to you in the first place. The same is true of earthly sonship—it cannot be earned. But if you were adopted, you would be free to run away as a prodigal son and lose your inheritance.

Can you please just keep quite? Paul said nothing can separate is from the love of Christ and this includes sin. Do you know that sin has power? The fact that you say sin has the power to separate is from the love of Christ shows that you agree it has power. Unfortunately for you, Paul stated that no power can separate us from the love of Christ. No thing present or to come can separate us from the love of Christ.



Romans 8:35-39 King James Version (KJV)
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



The rest of what you typed are just junked muddled up.

1StopRudeness:


Albhagdadi..that’s how u refuse to answer this my question since morning....Haba!!!

Your question is incoherent.

Hello alBaghaddi, I hope this can help you understand what you wrote better. You said it doesn't teach a licence to sin but you give a licence for sin with these words:

'..a believer would make heaven no matter how sinful he gets"

This is a big lie because a believer makes heaven because the body of sin has been nailed to the cross so he can serve God in righteousness.

A believer making heaven despite his sins is contradictory because Christ has already purged sin in his/her heart.

alBHAGDADI:


Can you please just keep quite? Paul said nothing can separate is from the love of Christ and this includes sin. Do you know that sin has power? The fact that you say sin has the power to separate is from the love of Christ shows that you agree it has power. Unfortunately for you, Paul stated that no power can separate us from the love of Christ. No thing present or to come can separate us from the love of Christ.



Romans 8:35-39 King James Version (KJV)
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



The rest of what you typed are just junked muddled up.

Not even the power of sin, that was why God commended His love to us even while we were sinners. But to still think ot teach a believer can be held by the power of sin is contradictory to the gospel.

alBHAGDADI:
I already told you that a Christian can't descend low to the level of committing suicide,

So, if I understand you properly, what you are saying now is that a Christian cannot sin?

Because this is one of the issues I have with you Calvinists. You are quick to point out that returning to a life of sin cannot result in a loss of salvation.....

You also acknowledge that a Christian might sin, but you stress that this does not affect his salvation....

At the same time when we start bringing out some really massive sins, you instantly start denying the possibility of a Christian commiting those sins in the first place...

Free will is not a switch that you can turn on and off when you so choose..

Someone who can lie can steal, someone who can steal can commit murder, someone who can commit murder can commit suicide..

So its either you outline the types of sins that it is possible for a Christian to commit but that cannot result in a loss of salvation, or you outright say that a Christian cannot commit any sin at all.. You can't have it both ways.

alBHAGDADI:
What's wrong with you both?

[s]I already told you that a Christian can't descend low to the level of committing suicide, same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. This is because he has the Holy Spirit in him. So, there's no point even making assumptions of "what if".

There's no "what if" because God won't allow his children descend low to that level. Mention one child of God that committed suicide in the Bible. You won't find any. But we have Judas who was a devil. He killed himself. He sold Jesus while Peter denied Jesus. Both men committed horrible sins against Jesus. How come Peter didn't kill himself like Judas did? Peter didn't do so because God was protecting him

Luke 22:31-32 (KJV)
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Until you show me an instance of a child of God in the Bible who killed himself, this your assumption of "what if" is just an assumption that can never happen and not worth even threading upon. You have no biblical instance to back up a notion that a Christian or child of God can commit suicide. So why do you expect me to start arguing on what the Bible doesn't support or show to be likely?

Before you start citing instances wrongly, let me explain certain things to you. Saul committed suicide because the Holy Spirit left him. Back then the Holy Spirit just use to descend on God's anointed e.g prophets, kings. God had to promise that he will pour his spirit on all flesh later on which Peter confirmed.

Joel 2:28-32 King James Version (KJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:15-21 King James Version (KJV)
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Today, he dwells in us forever and has sealed us unto Jesus comes to redeem us.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Saul was rejected by God because he was disobedient. The Holy Spirit left him because his duty was not to seal him like we are sealed. Same thing with Samson.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Judges 16:20
And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him.[/s]

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What does it take, without prevaricating, to just answer the Bnimz easy, simple, direct and straightforward question, hmm? Is it that difficult to just respond to the question without trying to put a spin on your answer, hmm?

The resurfaced question again alBHAGDADI was, if a Christian who is saved and truly believes falls upon hard times, becomes depressed and commits suicide, where is the person going? Heaven or Hell? Stick to the question under purview. Stick to the limit set by the questioner. Your answer should be heaven, hell or I dont know/I am certain it isnt either/I cant tell/I have no comment. Dont give explanations until when or if asked.

This is not a "what if" but is a simply "if" question. Your flaky and/or dodgy theology is finding you out, thats why you're beating about the bush, being non-committal and dodging coming straight to answering the simple and straightforward question.

You hide below unsolicited long winded epistles and under haystack bundles of unnecessary and/or divergent loads of words, so as to avoid committing yourself to correctly answer the question. Smh.