patrickmuf:

Klopp priotized the UCL and league over the FA cup and Caraboa cup, he isn't a serial winner then.

Zidane cared less for the Copa Del Rey and LA Liga in a bid to keep his players fresh for the UCL and it paid off.

Most top coaches rather have a go at winning the league or UCL rather than local cup competitions. You think Pep won't throw the FA cup and Caraboa cup under the bus for a shot at the UCL?

Oasis007, you should mention me if you want a debate and stop making statements in the background. If you're asked to mention Top coaches who can guarantee you trophies today based on their achievements, I am sure you'd mention Klopp. The guy I responded to said serial winners don't prioritize trophies but he failed to understand that no matter how good a coach is, the size of your club will determine a lot in other words, when you hear serial winners, it's a combination of the coach, club and players.

Ancelotti with Madrid doesn't have the same expectation as Ancelotti with Napoli yet Ancelotti has won trophies throughout his career.

At Dortmund, Klopp winning 2 Bundesliga and reaching the UCL final is a big achievement. At Liverpool, he has reached the Europa League final once and 2 UCL finals in a row winning one and but not for the brilliance of City last season, he'd have done the double.

Mourinho in that season we won the Europa league had to prioritize competitions to get the best out of his squad.

When Spurs lost the FA cup semis to Chelsea, Rose came out to say they didn't have a bench. The strength of the bench can also be a determinant. For example, Pep can have a go at all four competitions without over stressing his squad because he has a large squad and the quality is there. At Liverpool, without Salah, they struggled against us so do you expect Klopp to use his best players for a Caraboa cup game against Arsenal when he has a crunch UCL game in midweek? I guess you'd reply"No" but at City, Pep can bring in Mahrez, Jesus, Gundogan, Cancelo, Bravo, Mendy, Stones etc See the quality of the players on the bench.

Let Pep join Napoli and let's see if he'll foolishly go all out for every title.

Oasis007:





.... Thought he's an indefatigable, irreplaceable, indomitable Representative of the Citadel on the United thread?!


Modified; you wanna do a Babcock?! I've quoted the original Post already.

Because of small debate you dey throw stones...Na why sometimes na read and pass sure pass...I have had lengthy discussions with Larride, Sinizia and a couple of guys here but not for once did there resort to cheap shots. If you have any rancor with airmark, face him squarely without referencing me.

larride:
Suddenly Poch is a bang average manager that cant handle the pressure of a top job because he didn’t win a trophy at Spurs because Spurs were serial winners before him. LEEMAO.

No wonder OGS first job in a top league ended in relegation, they even had to sack him when he start flirting with relegation in the championship.

OGS and Poch should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Them no be mate.

OGS flirted with relegation with Cardiff(Championship Level Team) , while Poch flirted with relegation with Spurs( Champions League Finalist/Top 4 team), even Mourinho flirted with relegation the last time he was at Chelsea( Premier League winners), the 3 of them were eventually sacked.

But, the difference is both OGS and Mourhino have won trophies, inferior or not while the average Argentine Moyes (Pochettino) don't even have a trophy to his name both playing and managerial career. The difference is clear as Seven Up.

Poch and Spurs priotizing trophy like they know how one smells even if its in their nose..

footiemaniac:


OGS flirted with relegation with Cardiff(Championship Level Team) , while Poch flirted with relegation with Spurs( Champions League Finalist/Top 4 team), even Mourinho flirted with relegation the last time he was at Chelsea( Premier League winners), the 3 of them were eventually sacked.

But, the difference is both OGS and Mourhino have won trophies, inferior or not while the average Argentine Moyes (Pochettino) don't even have a trophy to his name both playing and managerial career. The difference is clear as Seven Up.

What was your opinion of Sarri before he joined Chelsea? Has your opinion changed now?

Talking about trophies, do you need any reminders how many trophies Unai Emery has won? Will you take him over Poch?

izzou:


And before Zidane came, why didn't the previous coach win it back to back?

And after Enrique left, why hasn't any Barcelona coach won the treble?

My point is... Stop imagining people will fail because they haven't had the chance to coach a "big" club.

Lampard is doing fine with Chelsea despite a transfer ban. Yet his biggest coaching job before Chelsea was Derby county

Stop assuming with emotions. Poch is a good coach, and he's obviously better than OGS.

Another okoto meow skrrr

Ancelotti won the UCL with that same squad before Zidane came.

Barcelona won trophies after Enrique left and they’ve been to the semifinal of the UCL a number of times.

Lampard is doing well with Chelsea bla bla bla where’s the trophy? He’s not guaranteed any trophy this season. And if things go bad, next seaso might be worse. But if he builds the right team, he’ll win something. He’s got a good base to build from.

There’s no guarantee that Poch will be successful taking over United at the moment, it’s more likely that he’ll fail. But if OLE builds a strong base and is sacked and then Poch comes in then maybe there’s something there. But why sack ole if he’s built a strong base already?

Stop your okoto meow skrrr yarns abeg

chidexxy007:


Poch and Spurs priotizing trophy like they know how one smells even if its in their nose..

Check Spurs history, they have won a fair number of trophies; 8 fa cups, 4 league cups, 2 UEFA cup and a couple others. They have a thin squad that's why they have to prioritize which is more important.

patrickmuf:
Oasis007, you should mention me if you want a debate and stop making statements in the background. If you're asked to mention Top coaches who can guarantee you trophies today based on their achievements, I am sure you'd mention Klopp. The guy I responded to said serial winners don't prioritize trophies but he failed to understand that no matter how good a coach is, the size of your club will determine a lot in other words, when you hear serial winners, it's a combination of the coach, club and players.

Ancelotti with Madrid doesn't have the same expectation as Ancelotti with Napoli yet Ancelotti has won trophies throughout his career.

At Dortmund, Klopp winning 2 Bundesliga and reaching the UCL final is a big achievement. At Liverpool, he has reached the Europa League final once and 2 UCL finals in a row winning one and but not for the brilliance of City last season, he'd have done the double.

Mourinho in that season we won the Europa league had to prioritize competitions to get the best out of his squad.

When Spurs lost the FA cup semis to Chelsea, Rose came out to say they didn't have a bench. The strength of the bench can also be a determinant. For example, Pep can have a go at all four competitions without over stressing his squad because he has a large squad and the quality is there. At Liverpool, without Salah, they struggled against us so do you expect Klopp to use his best players for a Caraboa cup game against Arsenal when he has a crunch UCL game in midweek? I guess you'd reply"No" but at City, Pep can bring in Mahrez, Jesus, Gundogan, Cancelo, Bravo, Mendy, Stones etc See the quality of the players on the bench.

Let Pep join Napoli and let's see if he'll foolishly go all out for every title.

Lawd.... Akkant read all Bruh. Apologies for not quoting you directly, just wanna have a Banter with Airmark.

Your Points are noted, but seems you Guys ain't getting ours. Some of you think we are backing OGS as the right Man for the Job - WRONG.

My Argument is; we need a proven Manager to succeed Ole after he's done with his rebuilding Process.

There is no Guarantee that Pochetino will succeed at United. Ranieri won League with Leicester, Harry Redknapp won FA with Portmouth FC, at least let Poch win something first.

footiemaniac:


OGS flirted with relegation with Cardiff(Championship Level Team) , while Poch flirted with relegation with Spurs( Champions League Finalist/Top 4 team), even Mourinho flirted with relegation the last time he was at Chelsea( Premier League winners), the 3 of them were eventually sacked.

But, the difference is both OGS and Mourhino have won trophies, inferior or not while the average Argentine Moyes (Pochettino) don't even have a trophy to his name both playing and managerial career. The difference is clear as Seven Up.

It seems you don’t know what’s up.

OGS relegated Cardiff from PL to championship.
Then he started flirting with relegation in championship so much that they had to sack him. If Cardiff did not sack him then, he might prolly relegated them back to back to League 1.

Is that who you want me to compare to Poch?

We will only have this OGS and Poch comparison when OGS reach a UCL final.

Till then, alaye jor jor jor

patrickmuf:
Because of small debate you dey throw stones...Na why sometimes na read and pass sure pass...I have had lengthy discussions with Larride, Sinizia and a couple of guys here but not for once did there resort to cheap shots. If you have any rancor with airmark, face him squarely without referencing me.

..... Apologies.

Oasis007:




Lawd.... Akkant read all Bruh. Apologies for not quoting you directly, just wanna have a Banter with Airmark.

Your Points are noted, but seems you Guys ain't getting ours. Some of you think we are backing OGS as the right Man for the Job - WRONG.

My Argument is; we need a proven Manager to succeed Ole after he's done with his rebuilding Process.

There is no Guarantee that Pochetino will succeed at United. Ranieri won League with Leicester, Harry Redknapp won FA with Portmouth FC, at least let Poch win something first.

Going by your logic, makes you even think Ole is the manager for the rebuilding we need? Which top team has he successfully rebuild?

How many trophies did Pep or Zidane won before getting Barca and Madrid job respectively? How many trophies did Pep won before winning 6 in his first season at Barca?

patrickmuf:
Check Spurs history, they have won a fair number of trophies; 8 fa cups, 4 league cups, 2 UEFA cup and a couple others. They have a thin squad that's why they have to prioritize which is more important.

When did they win the league last?

Does Poch know what a league, f.a cup or league cup look like for him to prioritize?

It takes less matches and less travels for you to win the f.a cup and league cup than the UCL.


If Pep nd Klopp prioritize trophies, Poch too go follow..

footiemaniac:


OGS flirted with relegation with Cardiff(Championship Level Team) , while Poch flirted with relegation with Spurs( Champions League Finalist/Top 4 team), even Mourinho flirted with relegation the last time he was at Chelsea( Premier League winners), the 3 of them were eventually sacked.

But, the difference is both OGS and Mourhino have won trophies, inferior or not while the average Argentine Moyes (Pochettino) don't even have a trophy to his name both playing and managerial career. The difference is clear as Seven Up.

I think Poch shot homself in the foot. Should’ve won a trophy at least while at Spurs.

Before City won the league, Mancini won a local cup, I think. And it wasn’t enough, hence the league later on.

It’s funny how some people are mischievously skipping the fact that the chance of winning a trophy at a big club is higher than at a club like Spurs.

nitrogen:




You meant to say 'score one goal, then try to survive taktikssss', or defensive masterclass.........

You mentioned statistics, how many games has OGS managed? I guess OGS is better than Fergie too.

Death and sleep are not the same o. We are talking about flexibility and in-game management, not one-way defensive style that results in tiredness and fatigue.

Anyway, none of us can influence the board's decision/resolve. Let us see how things unfold.

If Poch was not tactically inept, he should have known that going toe toe with Liverpool in Champions league final was a disaster waiting to happen. If he had scored one goal and tried to survived on a defensive masterclass, by now he would have had a trophy to his name and his name written in Spurs folklore. Nobody will remember him years to come in Spurs if Mourinho start delivering them trophies.

OGS result against big teams this season : Man United 4- 0 Chelsea, Man United 1-0 Leicester, Man United 1-1 Arsenal, Man United 1-1 Liverpool and you say he doesn't understand tactics?
Let us give him 5 seasons and same expectations Poch had at Spurs and see if he will not win us trophies.

All these ones na shalaye yarns jare..

That nincompoop Levy for just sack Poch as we dey find manager so all these OGS fanboys for see as ED for throway OGS from window..

This is the lesson from this Poch saga; NEVER COMPROMISE FOR ANY EMPLOYER..WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR WORTH, DEMAND FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE WORKING COND

chidexxy007:

When did they win the league last?

Does Poch know what a league, f.a cup or league cup look like for him to prioritize?

It takes less matches and less travels for you to win the f.a cup and league cup than the UCL.


If Pep nd Klopp prioritize trophies, Poch too go follow..

I think top teams - City, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea- start with the mind of winning all available trophies in a season. Then as the season progresses they change their mind about which trophy to pursue more than the other based on the hand they’re dealt.

All these ones na shalaye yarns biko...
That nincompoop Levy for just sack Poch as we dey find manager so all these OGS fanboys for see as ED for throway OGS from window..

This is the lesson from this Poch saga; NEVER COMPROMISE FOR ANY EMPLOYER..WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR WORTH, DEMAND FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE WORKING CONDITIONS..

Levy wey no get money to spend before just give Mou £15m/yr..What a world we live in...!!!

Make una camdan o

So any critism of Poch means hate?

Is it bad to ask for a trophy from a supposedly "top" manager who has had same spine of players for at least 3-4 football seasons?
How many finals did he even make sef?

Las las that guy no get ambition

Aba made Bielsa, fine football with nothing to show

Una no dey taya?


Na this kain thing kill Viserion for Game of thrones.

Oasis007:




Lawd.... Akkant read all Bruh. Apologies for not quoting you directly, just wanna have a Banter with Airmark.

Your Points are noted, but seems you Guys ain't getting ours. Some of you think we are backing OGS as the right Man for the Job - WRONG.

My Argument is; we need a proven Manager to succeed Ole after he's done with his rebuilding Process.

There is no Guarantee that Pochetino will succeed at United. Ranieri won League with Leicester, Harry Redknapp won FA with Portmouth FC, at least let Poch win something first.

I understand your argument but the likes of Sarri, Valverde, Luis Enrique, Kovac etc have shown us that with big teams, better players, big transfer budget, your chances of winning trophies is very high.

They're exceptions though as you have pointed out but those exceptions like Ranieri, Redknapp, Juande Ramos and so on did not repeat their successes with those teams in anyway close showing that it was more a one off but Valverde has won LA Liga twice already, Allegri won is it 3 scudetto in a row? Kovac won the Bundesliga and I reckon irrespective of their slow start would've gone on to win the Bundesliga again if he didn't get the sack, Tuchel is winning the Ligue 1 even before December but we saw how he performed with Dortmund when he had a better team in Bayern to contend with.

If Poch joins PSG today, in 5 years he'll most likely have 5 league titles to his name and about 3-4 couple De Ligue and probably the UCL too same as if he joins Bayern, Juventus or Barcelona.

But Mou with Spurs at this rate (personnel and funding) will probably win a trophy or two but the odds of retaining them will be slim unless Levy decides to splash the cash to upgrade the team. How do you go from Walker to Trippier to Aurier? In midfield, from Modric to Dembele to Sissoko? In attack, Kane has done well to replace Bale but then, Levy has not exactly splashed the cash.

patrickmuf:

Klopp priotized the UCL and league over the FA cup and Caraboa cup, he isn't a serial winner then.

Zidane cared less for the Copa Del Rey and LA Liga in a bid to keep his players fresh for the UCL and it paid off.

Most top coaches rather have a go at winning the league or UCL rather than local cup competitions. You think Pep won't throw the FA cup and Caraboa cup under the bus for a shot at the UCL?

Klopp, Zidane, Mourinho, Pep prioritized midway-through campaigns due to different reasons and got positive Results. The koko here is, they all have Results(Trophies) to show for it. But Poch have zero trophy to show after prioritizing competition right from the beginning of the season. He his simply a serial failure.

Leyqute:


I think top teams - City, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea- start with the mind of winning all available trophies in a season. Then as the season progresses they change their mind about which trophy to pursue more than the other based on the hand they’re dealt.

True this but to say Poch is prioritizing trophies?

He just doesn't have that mentality of winning trophies..

Wasn't he the one that said winning trophies only feeds abi breeds ego?

chidexxy007:
Make una camdan o

So any critism of Poch means hate?

Is it bad to ask for a trophy from a supposedly "top" manager who has had same spine of players for at least 3-4 football seasons?
How many finals did he even make sef?

Las las that guy no get ambition

Aba made Bielsa, fine football with nothing to show

Hahaha, exactly my thought.

elrony:
Una no dey taya?


Na this kain thing kill Viserion for Game of thrones.

chidexxy007:

When did they win the league last?

Does Poch know what a league, f.a cup or league cup look like for him to prioritize?

It takes less matches and less travels for you to win the f.a cup and league cup than the UCL.


If Pep nd Klopp prioritize trophies, Poch too go follow..

The right question is; have they ever won the league? That the average Spurs fan believes they should right up there in the mix for the title is a tantamount to the great job Poch did with them. Na Tottenham we dey talk about here o! The once wey sell Berbatov, Carrick, Keane, Modric and Bale to balance the books. The same club that saw finishing 5th as a big achievement. Now, no big club can wake up and throw Mo ey at Spurs for their big names because Klopp kept them in the UCL for consecutive seasons, I need not expansiate on the wi dfall that comes with participating in the UCL talk less of reaching the finals.

footiemaniac:


Klopp, Zidane, Mourinho, Pep prioritized midway-through campaigns due to different reasons and got positive Results. The koko here is, they all have Results(Trophies) to show for it. But Poch have zero trophy to show after prioritizing competition right from the beginning of the season. He his simply a serial failure.

Trophies to show for spending over £300m or more...I'll be disappointed if they didn't have any.

patrickmuf:
Oasis007, you should mention me if you want a debate and stop making statements in the background. If you're asked to mention Top coaches who can guarantee you trophies today based on their achievements, I am sure you'd mention Klopp. The guy I responded to said serial winners don't prioritize trophies but he failed to understand that no matter how good a coach is, the size of your club will determine a lot in other words, when you hear serial winners, it's a combination of the coach, club and players.

Ancelotti with Madrid doesn't have the same expectation as Ancelotti with Napoli yet Ancelotti has won trophies throughout his career.

At Dortmund, Klopp winning 2 Bundesliga and reaching the UCL final is a big achievement. At Liverpool, he has reached the Europa League final once and 2 UCL finals in a row winning one and but not for the brilliance of City last season, he'd have done the double.

Mourinho in that season we won the Europa league had to prioritize competitions to get the best out of his squad.

When Spurs lost the FA cup semis to Chelsea, Rose came out to say they didn't have a bench. The strength of the bench can also be a determinant. For example, Pep can have a go at all four competitions without over stressing his squad because he has a large squad and the quality is there. At Liverpool, without Salah, they struggled against us so do you expect Klopp to use his best players for a Caraboa cup game against Arsenal when he has a crunch UCL game in midweek? I guess you'd reply"No" but at City, Pep can bring in Mahrez, Jesus, Gundogan, Cancelo, Bravo, Mendy, Stones etc See the quality of the players on the bench.

Let Pep join Napoli and let's see if he'll foolishly go all out for every title.

Thing is football is not always black and white like many people imagine.

At this moment I don’t think Poch will do an better job than Ole is doing- he’ll probably do worse given the intense pressure and scrutiny that he’ll have to deal with.


Ole is a Man Utd legend and that is part of what has been helping him from getting sacked. Plus Utd seem to be tired of sacking coaches after a run of bad results. But trust me, if Ole can’t find a formulae to unlock park the bus teams (or doesn’t seem like he will), by the end of the season he’ll be out.

That will be the time for another person to come in.

Cos success is not always about the manager alone. His team also matters. Poch can’t come here next week and instantly turn Rasbfoed into a world beater or Martial into a Vardy. He’ll need time.

So, why bring in a potential work in progress to replace a current work in progress?

patrickmuf:
Trophies to show for spending over £300m or more...I'll be disappointed if they didn't have any.

So why was he prioritizing trophies when has won none in his glittering career? Do you need to spend £300M to win Europa, FA cup, Carling Cup? Arsene wenger won FA Cup back to back without spending £300M, wigan , portsmouth etc

Leyqute:


Thing is football is not always black and white like many people imagine.

At this moment I don’t think Poch will do an better job than Ole is doing- he’ll probably do worse given the intense pressure and scrutiny that he’ll have to deal with.


Ole is a Man Utd legend and that is part of what has been helping him from getting sacked. Plus Utd seem to be tired of sacking coaches after a run of bad results. But trust me, if Ole can’t find a formulae to unlock park the bus teams (or doesn’t seem like he will), by the end of the season he’ll be out.

That will be the time for another person to come in.

Cos success is not always about the manager alone. His team also matters. Poch can’t come here next week and instantly turn Rasbfoed into a world beater or Martial into a Vardy. He’ll need time.

So, why bring in a potential work in progress to replace a current work in progress?

I have said previously that I don't believe we have the quality to win the league not when Liverpool and City are still football clubs in England but I believe we should be in the mix for the 3rd or 4th spot and that's my expectation of Ole but so far, we haven't looked it. If Poch comes today, I'll expect that he qualifies us for the UCL for at least 2 straight seasons from where we will be able to attract top quality players and from there, we start competing for the league.

footiemaniac:


So why was he prioritizing trophies when has won none in his glittering career? Do you need to spend £300M to win Europa, FA cup, Carling Cup? Arsene wenger won FA Cup back to back without spending £300M, wigan , portsmouth etc

For a club like Spurs, they rather qualify for the UCL and finish as high as possible on the table so they can rake in more money...

Fottball is business, winning the Carling is good for the fans but finishing in the top 4 and qualifying for the UCL is better for business...Today,Spurs can afford a new stadium whilst keeping their best players because UCL money never stopped coming.

Even a serial winner like Pep has won the lowly Carabao cup back to back( Last 2 seasons) and a serial failure like Poch is prioritizing the same competition when you have zero trophy to your name.