patrickmuf:
The right question is; have they ever won the league? That the average Spurs fan believes they should right up there in the mix for the title is a testament to the great job Poch did with them. Na Tottenham we dey talk about here o! The once wey sell Berbatov, Carrick, Keane, Modric and Bale to balance the books. The same club that saw finishing 5th as a big achievement. Now, no big club can wake up and throw Mo ey at Spurs for their big names because Klopp kept them in the UCL for consecutive seasons, I need not expansiate on the wi dfall that comes with participating in the UCL talk less of reaching the finals.

All your points are valid bro, don't get me wrong but I can't still seem to see the special thing Poch have done with this Tottenham you guys are shouting about.

Harry Redknapp's UCL qualification was more of an achievement to me than anything Poch have done..
Is it a coincidence that Poch and Tottenham's "rise" is in the same period as Manutd and Assnal's "downfall"?

P.S: Poch issa fine coach shaa, a trophy at Tottenham would have booster his C.V (He needed it badly, how he didnt see it i don't know), make una camdan with this hype...

Tottenham still remains Tottenham to me till dey start winning trophies.

patrickmuf:
For a club like Spurs, they rather qualify for the UCL and finish as high as possible on the table so they can rake in more money...

Fottball is business, winning the Carling is good for the fans but finishing in the top 4 and qualifying for the UCL is better for business...Today,Spurs can afford a new stadium whilst keeping their best players because UCL money never stopped coming.

You aim is for us to hire Poch so that Manchster united can finish top 4 consistently, raise revenue for Glazier and co and we the fans go on and on for 5 years without celebrating any trophy? This is interesting...

elrony:
Una no dey taya?


Na this kain thing kill Viserion for Game of thrones.

Prophet!!!

footiemaniac:
Hahaha, exactly my thought.

Na fine football they deceive all of them, give him 2years now and he doesn't win anything na same people go tear am down.

footiemaniac:
Even a serial winner like Pep has won the lowly Carabao cup back to back( Last 2 seasons) and a serial failure like Poch is prioritizing the same competition when you have zero trophy to your name.

If poch is a serial loser what is OGS that relegated Cardiff?

footiemaniac:
Even a serial winner like Pep has won the lowly Carabao cup back to back( Last 2 seasons) and a serial failure like Poch is prioritizing the same competition when you have zero trophy to your name.

The team Liverpool used in their Caraboa cup game against Arsenal should tell you about the priority of Klopp. Poch can't start his best players for such competition and his bench is a toss. Pep on the other hand has a bench that is on par if not outrightly better than our first team collectively.

footiemaniac:


You aim is for us to hire Poch so that Manchster united can finish top 4 consistently, raise revenue for Glazier and co and we the fans go on and on for 5 years without celebrating any trophy? This is interesting...

Is this what you understood from my summation? You can read my replies to understand my point.

chidexxy007:


Na fine football they deceive all of them, give him 2years now and he doesn't win anything na same people go tear am down.

but he'll challenge for top 4, something OGS won't be able to do with the way we are playing.

patrickmuf:
I have said previously that I don't believe we have the quality to win the league not when Liverpool and City are still football clubs in England but I believe we should be in the mix for the 3rd or 4th spot and that's my expectation of Ole but so far, we haven't looked it. If Poch comes today, I'll expect that he qualifies us for the UCL for at least 2 straight seasons from where we will be able to attract top quality players and from there, we start competing for the league.

Nah. Don’t think Poch can automatically get a straight top 4 spot with this current Utd.

Man Utd is not Tottenham where you can lose matches or perform below par and not be intensely scrutinized. There’s a lot of pressure on the Man U job and people falter when under pressure.

I think Poch will break under that pressure of managing Utd.

It’s not easy bro. Managing Utd is almost the hardest job in the whole footballing world.

footiemaniac:


If Poch was not tactically inept, he should have known that going toe toe with Liverpool in Champions league final was a disaster waiting to happen. If he had scored one goal and tried to survived on a defensive masterclass, by now he would have had a trophy to his name and his name written in Spurs folklore. Nobody will remember him years to come in Spurs if Mourinho start delivering them trophies.

OGS result against big teams this season : Man United 4- 0 Chelsea, Man United 1-0 Leicester, Man United 1-1 Arsenal, Man United 1-1 Liverpool and you say he doesn't understand tactics?
Let us give him 5 seasons and same expectations Poch had at Spurs and see if he will not win us trophies.

Going Toe to Toe?
Liverpool fvcking scored an early goal and they had to get back in the game. There was no room for any defensive masterclass. Haha the hatred for Poch is on another level. Thank God you posted that about Ole. You've revealed where your hatred for Poch comes from.

You ignored all the tactical thinking and twinkling it took to get that Spurs team to the finals but you are saying he's Tactical inept for losing it?

chidexxy007:

True this but to say Poch is prioritizing trophies?

He just doesn't have that mentality of winning trophies..

Wasn't he the one that said winning trophies only feeds abi breeds ego?

He caused trouble for himself with that statement. What’s the essence of playing footie if not to win a trophy?

Mou finished 6th in his first season at Utd with the depleted squad. Yet he won a ‘treble’. If he’d gone trophyless that season Ed for don sack am 3 months into his 2nd season. The trophy he won bought him more time.

larride:


Going by your logic, makes you even think Ole is the manager for the rebuilding we need? Which top team has he successfully rebuild?

How many trophies did Pep or Zidane won before getting Barca and Madrid job respectively? How many trophies did Pep won before winning 6 in his first season at Barca?

Apple and Oranges, so you can actually compare the team Pep inherited at Barcelona and Zidane at Real Madrid to the one Ole Gunnar Solskjær inherited in December?.

Even Pep went trophyless with the team he inherited from Pellegrini when he arrived at Man City, why didn't you demand the same treble winning season from Pep when he first arrived at Man City. Let Ole sign is own players first then the verdict will be out.

Leyqute:


Nah. Don’t think Poch can automatically get a straight top 4 spot with this current Utd.

Man Utd is not Tottenham where you can lose matches or perform below par and not be intensely scrutinized. There’s a lot of pressure on the Man U job and people falter when under pressure.

I think Poch will break under that pressure of managing Utd.

It’s not easy bro. Managing Utd is almost the hardest job in the whole footballing world.

Why at bolded?

Leyqute:


Nah. Don’t think Poch can automatically get a straight top 4 spot with this current Utd.

Man Utd is not Tottenham where you can lose matches or perform below par and not be intensely scrutinized. There’s a lot of pressure on the Man U job and people falter when under pressure.

I think Poch will break under that pressure of managing Utd.

It’s not easy bro. Managing Utd is almost the hardest job in the whole footballing world.

This current Spurs and United team, which will you take? If you don't mind, a combined 11 should suffice.

larride:


Why at bolded?

lol if poch will break, then what are we still doing with ole?

footiemaniac:
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Apple and Oranges, so you can actually compare the team Pep inherited at Barcelona and Zidane at Real Madrid to the one Ole Gunnar Solskjær inherited in December?.

Even Pep went trophyless with the team he inherited from Pellegrini when he arrived at Man City, why didn't you demand the same treble winning season from Pep when he first arrived at Man City. Let Ole sign is own players first then the verdict will be out.

Let’s compare the players Poch met when he join Spurs and the players Ole met when he join United and let’s see who had the better players when they join.

The same way he signed 13 players at cardiff and almost relegated them to league 1. We don’t need to find out what the verdict will be, we know already.

It’s funny how you already concluded Poch will fail while hoping Ole will succeed. It’s even more funnier because Poch has a better CV than Ole.

The joke write themselves.

weedtaker:
If poch is a serial loser what is OGS that relegated Cardiff?

Even Poch will get that Cardiff team relegated, that squad was very poor, even Benitez got relegated with NewCastle. At least OGS has titles to his name at Molde(Norway) , let poch go to Argentine league or lower league, win it and reinvent himself, then we can start talking.

larride:


Let’s compare the players Poch met when he join Spurs and the players Ole met when he join United and let’s see who had the better players when they join.

The same way he signed 13 players at cardiff and almost relegated them to league 1. We don’t need to find out what the verdict will be, we know already.

It’s funny how you already concluded Poch will fail while hoping Ole will succeed. It’s even more funnier because Poch has a better CV than Ole.

The joke write themselves.

Better CV? can you prove this with trophies won?

footiemaniac:

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Even Poch will get that Cardiff team relegated, that squad was very poor, even Benitez got relegated with NewCastle. At least OGS has titles to his name at Molde(Norway) , let poch go to Argentine league or lower league, win it and reinvent himself, then we can start talking. [/s]

yea, right. Cya.

weedtaker:
lol if poch will break, then what are we still doing with ole?

Isn’t it funny that they already concluded Poch will fail if given the Utd job?

While I do not want Poch at United, it’s ridiculous the certainty that Poch will fail.

footiemaniac:


Even Poch will get that Cardiff team relegated, that squad was very poor, even Benitez got relegated with NewCastle. At least OGS has titles to his name at Molde(Norway) , let poch go to Argentine league or lower league, win it and reinvent himself, then we can start talking.

A UCL final is 1000 times bigger than 100 league titles in Norway.

footiemaniac:


If Poch was not tactically inept, he should have known that going toe toe with Liverpool in Champions league final was a disaster waiting to happen. If he had scored one goal and tried to survived on a defensive masterclass, by now he would have had a trophy to his name and his name written in Spurs folklore. Nobody will remember him years to come in Spurs if Mourinho start delivering them trophies.

OGS result against big teams this season : Man United 4- 0 Chelsea, Man United 1-0 Leicester, Man United 1-1 Arsenal, Man United 1-1 Liverpool and you say he doesn't understand tactics?
Let us give him 5 seasons and same expectations Poch had at Spurs and see if he will not win us trophies.

He has the advantage of spending over 130m on his defense alone. That's just in his first season o! You can't talk about number of years Poch spent without talking about the funds at his disposal. If Poch had the luxury of spending the Lukaku money, Pogba money, Fred's money, Maguire, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Martial and the wages on offer here akin to what Sanchez was getting for doing nothing, Erikson wouldn't have thought of leaving creating issues in the dressing room.

So when you want to hit on Poch, always remember that at Manchester United, he'll have a minimum of £200-300m to play with when he joins and on every other window, at least £150m...Give him such resources and see if he won't welcome the pressure that comes with it.

larride:


Why at bolded?

Bright spotlight. Intense scrutiny. United is not even in the top 4 and Chelsea, Leicester who are don’t get talked about as United are in the tabloids. Even City sef.

At United there’s a huge pressure to win every game. A win is always expected and every loss is treated as a disaster.

Poch has never been under that kinda pressure before.

Leyqute:


Bright spotlight. Intense scrutiny. United is not even in the top 4 and Chelsea, Leicester who are don’t get talked about as United are in the tabloids. Even City sef.

At United there’s a huge pressure to win every game. A win is always expected and every loss is treated as a disaster.

Poch has never been under that kinda pressure before.

I’m asking why you think he can’t handle the pressure. The way you say it authoritatively means you know something we don’t know.

What makes you think Poch cannot handle the pressure at United or is it just assumptions?

larride:


I’m asking why you think he can’t handle the pressure. The way you say it authoritatively means you know something we don’t know.

What makes you think Poch cannot handle the pressure at United or is it just assumptions?

Flashlights go blind him eye

Leyqute:


Bright spotlight. Intense scrutiny. United is not even in the top 4 and Chelsea, Leicester who are don’t get talked about as United are in the tabloids. Even City sef.

At United there’s a huge pressure to win every game. A win is always expected and every loss is treated as a disaster.

Poch has never been under that kinda pressure before.

You forget to mention the things at United that'll be to his favor. Things like more funds, better players a bigger global reach (scouting and support)...

weedtaker:
Flashlights go blind him eye

Photo sensitive epilepsy

weedtaker:
Flashlights go blind him eye

Abeg no make me laugh, of course you understand what he meant.

patrickmuf:
He has the advantage of spending over 130m on his defense alone. That's just in his first season o! You can't talk about number of years Poch spent without talking about the funds at his disposal. If Poch had the luxury of spending the Lukaku money, Pogba money, Fred's money, Maguire, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Martial and the wages on offer here akin to what Sanchez was getting for doing nothing, Erikson wouldn't have thought of leaving creating issues in the dressing room.

So when you want to hit on Poch, always remember that at Manchester United, he'll have a minimum of £200-300m to play with when he joins and on every other window, at least £150m...Give him such resources and see if he won't welcome the pressure that comes with it.

The season Poch was actually given money(£114m) to spend at Spurs, he failed. Pochetino cannot deal with the pressure of spending money and when the board expectation is high.

He only succeed in a less pressured environment like is compatriot(Moyes). I expected him to kick on this season after spending £114m and keeping their best players, instead he was flexing with relegation and got what he deserved(sack). You now want us to trust him with money to rebuild this squad with Ndombele etc.

Leyqute:


Thing is football is not always black and white like many people imagine.

At this moment I don’t think Poch will do an better job than Ole is doing- he’ll probably do worse given the intense pressure and scrutiny that he’ll have to deal with.


Ole is a Man Utd legend and that is part of what has been helping him from getting sacked. Plus Utd seem to be tired of sacking coaches after a run of bad results. But trust me, if Ole can’t find a formulae to unlock park the bus teams (or doesn’t seem like he will), by the end of the season he’ll be out.

That will be the time for another person to come in.

Cos success is not always about the manager alone. His team also matters. Poch can’t come here next week and instantly turn Rasbfoed into a world beater or Martial into a Vardy. He’ll need time.

So, why bring in a potential work in progress to replace a current work in progress?

Ole, a current work in progress. :

footiemaniac:


The season Poch was actually given money(£114m) to spend at Spurs, he failed. Pochetino cannot deal with the pressure of spending money and when the board expectation is high.

He only succeed in a less pressured environment like is compatriot(Moyes). I expected him to kick on this season after spending £114m and keeping their best players, instead he was flexing with relegation and got what he deserved(sack). You now want us to trust him with money to rebuild this squad with Ndombele etc.

He bought Lo Celso to replace Erikson but he has been forced to continue using an obviously unhappy Erikson due to the injury woes of Lo Celso. Ndombele too has struggled with fitness same as Dembele. So, technically his players have not had an extended run in the team for you to pass judgement.

Talking about board expectation, if not for Poch and his managerial prowess, will Spurs ever dream of demanding top 4 finish or league trophy from their manager?

Look at Leicester City who were comfortable finishing in the top half of the table after their surprised title triumph sitting in second position. If Rodgers manages to see them maintain same form and qualify for the UCL in the next 3 years, one boss will stand up and say we are Leicester, we deserve to fight for the title even when he has not been backed in the market compared to those he is up against.

why are dis people mentioning Ndombele as if he's a bad player, one even called him Bakayoko 2.0 lol,
that guy is good na.