afrodoc2:


You people still overrate this Wenger. With or without money he is not on Fergie’s level.

When they were on par, he went UNBEATEN.

MichaelBukamzy:
to be frank the money no go reach to buy ndidi.

case close

Spy360:

When they were on par, he went UNBEATEN.

Not even on par, fergie was always ahead with money.

Spy360:

When they were on par, he went UNBEATEN.

A great achievement, but that is not the only point to consider.
1 good season can’t replace years of good seasons.

What is Wenger’s record in Europe? How many continental titles does he have?

What is their head to head record?
Which of them flogged the other scoring 6 goals, 8 goals etc while fielding cheaply bought defenders in midfield?

Which of them delivered the TREBLE?
Which of them won a European title with a small club like Aberdeen, beating Madrid and Bayern along the way?

afrodoc2:


A great achievement, but that is not the only point to consider.
1 good season can’t replace years of good seasons.

What is Wenger’s record in Europe? How many continental titles does he have?

What is their head to head record?
Which of them flogged the other scoring 6 goals, 8 goals etc while fielding cheaply bought defenders in midfield?

Which of them delivered the TREBLE?
Which of them won a European title with a small club like Aberdeen, beating Madrid and Bayern along the way?

I was referring to when they were both in England, Fergie was financially okay compared to wengay. Your coach was more of point and kill manager, wengay can't compete in Europe, Anyway I still blame him because when he had the money he foolishly spent on mediocre one and complain about how others are inflating the transfer market.

Who else felt wengay became arrogant after the unbeaten season, he thought he was unstoppable.

Spy360:

As good as your suggestion is, it's still looks like what we have done already with Emery. Like I pointed out, it is not a 1+1=2 matter. If not United would be top of the league by now after they got LvG, then Mourinho. We too got Emery but here we are still whining.

We are still in our trial process and any managerial change should not come as a surprise. We keep trying until we land the desired manager.

Meanwhile, Allegri is out of job.

The bolded is my fear, we were excited with Emery, we felt Emery won 3europas with no huge financial backing (something we can't find on poch's CV) Trophies and big club experience at PSG, and how he made us believe he is bringing the high pressing quality football..

Its the reason why I'm not quick to suggesting names again, make we no fall into another scam..
But las las we go still take risk, its better we go an established one than all this youth corper coach like Freddie,Lana,Arterta et al

Personally, I don't trust Allegri.

afrodoc2:


A great achievement, but that is not the only point to consider.
1 good season can’t replace years of good seasons.

What is Wenger’s record in Europe? How many continental titles does he have?

What is their head to head record?
Which of them flogged the other scoring 6 goals, 8 goals etc while fielding cheaply bought defenders in midfield?

Which of them delivered the TREBLE?
Which of them won a European title with a small club like Aberdeen, beating Madrid and Bayern along the way?

Wenger in his early years was on par with Fergie, they were the best manager in the country or even Europe then, the rivalry was much and none deserved to be tagged "overrated"
Truthfully Wenger regressed in his latter years, he was stiff minded, not enough financial backing and he didn't have Howard Webb and Queen of England.

Fkhalifa:

The bolded is my fear, we were excited with Emery, we felt Emery won 3europas with no huge financial backing (something we can't find on poch's CV) Trophies and big club experience at PSG, and how he made us believe he is bringing the high pressing quality football..

Its the reason why I'm not quick to suggesting names again, make we no fall into another scam..
But las las we go still take risk, its better we go an established one than all this youth corper coach like Freddie,Lana,Arterta et al

Personally, I don't trust Allegri.

Stop repeating this lie na, no one was excited for getting Emery. Everyone was happy wengay finally left, those that were predicted to take over were allegri, arteta,th14, viera, Howe.
Emery came out no where and we had to support him in the beginning he looked like he had a plan until mid season he got obsessed with Jerry curl and stupid tactics.

iamoyindamola:
I was referring to when they were both in England, Fergie was financially okay compared to wengay. Your coach was more of point and kill manager, wengay can't compete in Europe, Anyway I still blame him because when he had the money he foolishly spent on mediocre one and complain about how others are inflating the transfer market.

The fact that one manager has less to spend does not mean he is automatically better than the other manager who has money. Otherwise every David Moyes, Emery, Ranieri would be claiming to be better than Klopp, Pep, Fergie.

Fergie spent money but his team was still loaded with mediocre players like O’Shea, Silvestre, Wes Brown, Evans, Anderson, Cleverly etc when he was flogging people.

Fkhalifa:

Wenger in his early years was on par with Fergie, they were the best manager in the country or even Europe then, the rivalry was much and none deserved to be tagged "overrated"
Truthfully Wenger regressed in his latter years, he was stiff minded, not enough financial backing and he didn't have Howard Webb and Queen of England.

Have you forgotten arsene who, the shaolin coach that spent most of his coaching career in Japan.
English media are foolish , they never liked the man from day1 they said long time, long nose old fashioned suit etc

Fkhalifa:

Wenger in his early years was on par with Fergie, they were the best manager in the country or even Europe then, the rivalry was much and none deserved to be tagged "overrated"
Truthfully Wenger regressed in his latter years, he was stiff minded, not enough financial backing and he didn't have Howard Webb and Queen of England.

Howard Webb?
Queen of England?

This one na mumu post.

iamoyindamola:
Have you forgotten arsene who, the shaolin coach that spent most of his coaching career in Japan.
English media are foolish , they never liked the man from day1 they said long time, long nose old fashioned suit etc

How did the English media, Howard Webb, and the Queen stop him from winning a European title?

iamoyindamola:
Have you forgotten arsene who, the shaolin coach that spent most of his coaching career in Japan.
English media are foolish , they never liked the man from day1 they said long time, long nose old fashioned suit etc

Remind us of what happened when Wenger got to the UEFA Cup final in 2000?
Some youngings might not know what happened.

afrodoc2:


The fact that one manager has less to spend does not mean he is automatically better than the other manager who has money. Otherwise every David Moyes, Emery, Ranieri would be claiming to be better than Klopp, Pep, Fergie.

Fergie spent money but his team was still loaded with mediocre players like O’Shea, Silvestre, Wes Brown, Evans, Anderson, Cleverly etc when he was flogging people.

O'shea one of the most versatile player I have even seen is mediocre even Evans that have most CS this season fear God o.
Let's agree others are useless but out of fergie eleven you will have 4 mediocre players the other 7 can cover up for.
But wengay you will see just 2 or 3 good players and the rest useless e.g 8-2 at old Trafford
You right, money is for spending that's why I won't judge pep for spending but tactically, wengay edge fergie.
Your man have everything working for him Webb, money , the fa

afrodoc2:


Remind us of what happened when Wenger got to the UEFA Cup final in 2000?
Some youngings might not know what happened.

Lost on pk, anyone can lose on pk na

afrodoc2:


How did the English media, Howard Webb, and the Queen stop him from winning a European title?

That's why I said he can't compete in Europe and that's his fault.
He was very predictable and arrogant

iamoyindamola:
Lost on pk, anyone can lose on pk na

Against a team that

1) was the underdog before the match

2) played the entire extra time with 10 men

3) the man sent off was their best player and creative lynch pin Georghe Hagi.

It was a phucking disgrace. I was actually supporting Arsenal on that day.

afrodoc2:


Against a team that

1) was the underdog before the match

2) played the entire extra time with 10 men

3) the man sent off was the best player and creative lynch pin Georghe Hagi.

It was a phucking disgrace. I was actually supporting Arsenal on that day.

lmaooooooo, but they had hakan sukur and that useless Brazilian keeper that refused to die.
My point is a rich wengay would have collected that Sir from fergie

iamoyindamola:
O'shea one of the most versatile player I have even seen is mediocre even Evans that have most CS this season fear God o.
Let's agree others are useless but out of fergie eleven you will have 4 mediocre players the other 7 can cover up for.
But wengay you will see just 2 or 3 good players and the rest useless e.g 8-2 at old Trafford
You right, money is for spending that's why I won't judge pep for spending but tactically, wengay edge fergie.
Your man have everything working for him Webb, money , the fa

Lol. So you are now hyping O’Shea?

What about when Fergie used Gibson, O’Shea and the Da Silva twins in midfield to beat an Arsenal team with Van Persie, Arshavin, Nasri, Wilshere, Diaby?

Tactically is actually where Fergie beats Wenger.
Unless it has another meaning.

You yourself already said he is predictable and can’t win in Europe. That in itself shows poor tactics.

Wenger’s edge was on the training pitch. He was possibly a better trainer than Fergie.

iamoyindamola:
lmaooooooo, but they had hakan sukur and that useless Brazilian keeper that refused to die.
My point is a rich wengay would have collected that Sir from fergie

Lol. Fergie was knighted for his treble season, particularly his UEFA champions league win of 99. Collecting the Sir means beating him in Europe.

Tell us how a man who won 2 champions league titles and 2 Cup winners Cup titles would be stopped in Europe by a man who was a serial choker in Europe i.e specialist in failure.

Remind your youngings what happened when they met in Europe.

Spy360:

You singled out the good buys and avoided the bad ones. Klopp spent a lot of money to get here. It was money well spent though because of their last season's achievement. But it's also because they fortunate to have a very good manager overseeing it. A bad manager would make the club go into admin. Is this a risk Arsenal is willing to take? I guess not.

We are still in our trial process for a new manager. Even if we want to use Ljunberg or any manager, it will be for max two years until we are sure to hand him the club for long term.

Klopp didn't just start spending. When your acquisitions prove value for money, the board has no option but to support you even further. Look at the numbers quoted for Salah, Mane, Robertson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho that's so unreal. Van Dijk and Allison was the board showing that they trust Klopp.

If you get a good coach and Auba, Lacazette and Pepe start playing as well as their potential suggest, those 3 players can fetch you at least £350m in today's market or you think any club will offer more than £70m for Coutinho now?

It's the same problem Mourinho had at Manchester United, he bought Bailly and Lindelof for over 30m, he bought Mkhitaryan, bought Pogba, Dalot, Lukaku etc and of all his signings, only Pogba and recently Lindelof (the jury is still out on him) can be classed as good buys, you might include Lukaku. If you are the board, will you support such a coach again when he comes asking for another CB? Klopp has earned it.

Good Ebening

afrodoc2:


A great achievement, but that is not the only point to consider.
1 good season can’t replace years of good seasons.

What is Wenger’s record in Europe? How many continental titles does he have?

What is their head to head record?
Which of them flogged the other scoring 6 goals, 8 goals etc while fielding cheaply bought defenders in midfield?

Which of them delivered the TREBLE?
Which of them won a European title with a small club like Aberdeen, beating Madrid and Bayern along the way?

Fergie had unlimited resources compared to Arsene. Don't make me start hating Wenger. We all know Fergie was better, why bring comparison?

Fkhalifa:

The bolded is my fear, we were excited with Emery, we felt Emery won 3europas with no huge financial backing (something we can't find on poch's CV) Trophies and big club experience at PSG, and how he made us believe he is bringing the high pressing quality football..

Its the reason why I'm not quick to suggesting names again, make we no fall into another scam..
But las las we go still take risk, its better we go an established one than all this youth corper coach like Freddie,Lana,Arterta et al

Personally, I don't trust Allegri.

Allegri is proven in Italy.

afrodoc2:


Against a team that

1) was the underdog before the match

2) played the entire extra time with 10 men

3) the man sent off was their best player and creative lynch pin Georghe Hagi.

It was a phucking disgrace. I was actually supporting Arsenal on that day.

If you really watched that match, Arsenal dominated and were very unlucky not to have killed the game at normal time. Galatasaray goalie- Tafarrel was the best in the world then. He saved their ass including in the shoot out. Arsenal were unlucky.

patrickmuf:
Klopp didn't just start spending. When your acquisitions prove value for money, the board has no option but to support you even further. Look at the numbers quoted for Salah, Mane, Robertson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho that's so unreal. Van Dijk and Allison was the board showing that they trust Klopp.

If you get a good coach and Auba, Lacazette and Pepe start playing as well as their potential suggest, those 3 players can fetch you at least £350m in today's market or you think any club will offer more than £70m for Coutinho now?

It's the same problem Mourinho had at Manchester United, he bought Bailly and Lindelof for over 30m, he bought Mkhitaryan, bought Pogba, Dalot, Lukaku etc and of all his signings, only Pogba and recently Lindelof (the jury is still out on him) can be classed as good buys, you might include Lukaku. If you are the board, will you support such a coach again when he comes asking for another CB? Klopp has earned it.

I already made this point bro. A good manager will ease the risk. A manager with little or no pedigree will be a huge risk to take.

If Klopp had failed with Mane et al, he wouldn't have got Allison, VVD etc.

Spy360:

If you really watched that match, Arsenal dominated and were very unlucky not to have killed the game at normal time. Galatasaray goalie- Tafarrel was the best in the world then. He saved their ass including in the shoot out. Arsenal were unlucky.

I watched the match and it wasn't as one sided as you make it seem. Main thing is Wenger found a way to bottle all his attempts at European glory, even when he faced inferior teams.

Checking the stats 10 man Gala had more shots than you guys. Most of the memorable Taffarel saves in extra time when Hagi had already been sent off.

Also Taffarel while a good GK was never at any time the best GK in the world, not earlier in his career in the era of Walter Zenga and Schmeichel AND definitely not later in his career in the era of Schmeichel and Oliver Kahn.

afrodoc2:


You people still overrate this Wenger. With or without money he is not on Fergie’s level.

Calling Wenger over-rated is an over reaction, an exaggeration of your emotions and absolutely disrespectful.

Roland17:


Calling Wenger over-rated is an over reaction, an exaggeration of your emotions and absolutely disrespectful.

You are the one overreacting because you obviously didn’t read the post i was responding to.

Saying “dem no born Fergie or JM if Wenger had spent money” is tantamount to overrating him.

Money was not the only difference.

afrodoc2:


You are the one overreacting because you obviously didn’t read the post i was responding to.

Saying “dem no born Fergie or JM if Wenger had spent money” is tantamount to overrating him.

Money was not the only difference.

Baba!! Below is your post.
Your first sentence which ends after the full stop and is embolden clearly supports the idea that you believe he is overrated. The first sentence is clearly independent from the money variable which you addressed in your second sentence.
Maybe it was not your intention but the first sentence as written and inferred from the comment you are replying to does not relate to the money variable and that is why I responded to you.

afrodoc2:


You people still overrate this Wenger. With or without money he is not on Fergie’s level.

Roland17:


Baba!! Below is your post.
Your first sentence which ends after the full stop and is embolden clearly supports the idea that you believe he is overrated. The first sentence is clearly independent from the money variable which you addressed in your second sentence.
Maybe it was not your intention but the first sentence as written and inferred from the comment you are replying to does not relate to the money variable and that is why I responded to you.

How can you respond to my post without considering the context?
I was responding to a particular post and i quoted the post.
Being overrated does not mean you are not good. It just means some people are rating you higher than you actually are.