SmooshCHN:
you've been known to back out of bets so no one's gonna waste their time with on this one.

Who? me? when? Stop lying smoosh.

Smooshchn is the second biggest bronsexual on this thread.

KarnBarlow:


Who? me? when? Stop lying smoosh.

Speaking of bets, some people on this thread owe me money. You know yourselves.

Roland17:


At 25 and at this stage, can we agree Giannis is at the prime of his NBA career? I am not speaking projections or prospects, I am speaking of now from what we have seen? I believe the answer to this question is a yes.
Again, except the expectation is for him to stick to this current style and not look to expand his offense then I would not be bothered but if we are saying he needs to expand his game so he is not predictable, he has not done anything new to me then. The fact that he got clobbered and did not get calls last night buttressed the fact that he can be game planned for in contrast to expanding his offense. If he chooses to stick to his bread and butter, I will have no problems but I can not imagine how demonic he would be if he expands his offense.

No. At 25 he has not even reached his peak yet. This is literally his 3rd season as an elite player so no

I'm sorry but you can't tell me that a player Giannis's age is already the finished article or should be. Should he fail to improve we can then argue he had stagnated however it's far too early to make that call.

What Giannis needs to work on is his jumper but we have seen numerous players e.g LaMarcus Aldridge with decent jumpers who still can't get it done in the post season. What really hurt Giannis more than his lack of a jumper was his decision making and his teammates who failed to hit shots each time he drove and kicked to them.

KarnBarlow:


You do realize that this is an oxymoron right?

r/woooosh

A40:
No. At 25 he has not even reached his peak yet. This is literally his 3rd season as an elite player so no

I'm sorry but you can't tell me that a player Giannis's age is already the finished article or should be. Should he fail to improve we can then argue he had stagnated however it's far too early to make that call.

What Giannis needs to work on is his jumper but we have seen numerous players e.g LaMarcus Aldridge with decent jumpers who still can't get it done in the post season. What really hurt Giannis more than his lack of a jumper was his decision making and his teammates who failed to hit shots each time he drove and kicked to them.

You are misconstruing me. Choosing not to expand his offense does not mean he has stagnated! Absolutely not.. Also, the peak or maybe I should have used the word “prime” instead can be measured using his active years. Take Shaq and the Admiral for instance, both chose not to expand their games past beneath/ around the rim. They just improved on their already existing offense without expanding past the rim. Even in his existing game there are aspects he still needs to improve on and that can be the goal. If he does not plan to expand his game, there is no biggie there and that does not imply he has stagnated. If the plan is to expand his offense then he has not shown anything different.

donlittle25:
There is someone called Wade dopemu.

Sorry bro, I'll pick Iverson over Wade any day. You should as well.

A40:
I know it's Friday but unless you're in the Middle East or the Orient as we speak it's far too early in the day to be drunk

Eeyah. Sorry o

KarnBarlow:


Magic has led his teams in scoring. Magic averages 20 and 11 for his career so hes not exactly dormant as far as scoring. LeBron averages 27 and 7 for his career. Hence the hybrid tag, hes a passer and a scorer and a rebounder. Also like magic a tall guy who handles the ball well and is one of the greatest passers of all time .As a player, his mentality, his build minus the athleticism, as far as always making the right play, all round more magic than jordan. Its just a fact. You cant put your feelings before facts. No one said LeBron is not a scorer. Like i said, swiss army knife.

No one said Magic was dormant at scoring simply that he took far fewer shots and averaged far more assists than LeNomad. You're not a pass first guy while taking 20 shots a game.

This is not an indictment or an Inquisition of LeNomad's ability to pass just correcting the notion that he is anything but primarily a scorer

KarnBarlow:

Bruh, i've explained my point multiple times and if still you can't understand and keep repeating yourself thats your business. At least any sensible person who read that knows what i meant.

You're talking noise mate. Your point made 0 sense

KarnBarlow:

Who here said hes not a global icon? Thats literally what i said before expanding further into what he means in certain communities especially. You may slander lebron for sticking by the league but what he has done and is doing in his communities nothing will change. The fact remains your man never did a fraction of what lebron does. And yeah he didnt criticize a country and a system that has lifted 700 million people out of poverty because of dumb american jingoism. What a sellout indeed.

And what did MJ do beyond his basketball that made him mean that much? After all you bipolar lot claim and swear he did nothing for the community but sell sneakers

Sticking with the league and making sure the China money keeps rolling in. So much for the faux activist.

Lool more nonsense. What does poverty have to do with a group of people fighting for their autonomy not to be undermined and to enjoy civil liberties. Where is the connection? How convenient

Your man is a sellout who talks from both sides of his mouth.

MJ recently donated $7m to fund clinics in his home state. Quietly and without any noise unlike your fraud who supposedly 'opened' a school that trended all over ESPN but is actually being funded by taxpayers money. A fraud

Lmaoooo don't ever compare that man to the GOAT. A real philanthropist gives without any noise and fanfare

KarnBarlow:

You just talked about him being carried and in the same breath you talk about him beating someone singlehandedly. Sums up your confusion. You lot use super bowl rings to talk about him being the GOAT but you just admitted hes not solely responsible for them so how is that an accurate measure of his individual greatness? This patriots are the greatest nfl team? sure. I'm not saying hes not the greatest quarterback, hes just not the greatest overall football player.

What is this clown on about. Your eyes are open but you can barely read and comprehend. Figuratively speaking Tom Brady got the better of both their head to head matchups even in his MVP season.

Asking me why Tom Brady is not the best QB right now speaks to your ignorance because how you expect a 42 year old to be the best player in the league is bizarre to put it mildly.

Tom Brady has won 3 MVPs, 4 Superbowl MVPs, the only unbeaten season in modern era. Whether rings or individual achievements Brady is not lacking anywhere. He is the greatest QB and overall football player because he can influence the outcome of a game like no other player can, not Lawrence Taylor, not Jerry Rice. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr

KarnBarlow:

His career didnt start and end with the lakers. Still the second greatest player of all time.

Behind Jordan for sure

KarnBarlow:

What difference does it make? LeBron is effective now, you can't neutralize him in the playoffs like you can Giannis. He gets the job done and makes his jumpers when it counts. This isnt even about Giannis, kareem and shaq are basically useless outside of 3 ft and they're still top 5 cause it didnt matter for them like it does Giannis. Things have changed now and you need some shooting to lead a team in this league. Lebrons 38% percent doesnt matter cause all in all hes an efficient scorer and has still delivered in the playoffs.

Giannis is not the one that went to an NBA Final and averaged 17 pts per game.

KarnBarlow:

Just name one thing Ronaldo does better than messi apart from head the ball. Messis a better dribbler, passer, scorer, dead ball specialist and has a much higher football IQ. You know you have no idea how much solace this brings me. Knowing this argument is against someone who thinks Ronaldo is better than Messi. I like ronaldo, i dont like messi, as a matter of fact i cant stand him. But facts are facts.

This is not Futsal. A player can be better skilled and still fall short to a less technically gifted one. It's not about their respective abilities it's about how each player has been able to maximize them for their respective teams and don't come with that nonsense of its a team sport. It's not like Messi dribbles all 10 players to go and score either

Your scoring theory is largely a myth as well. No player has ever come through in the clutch especially in the Champions League like Cristiano Ronaldo. He has more international goals as well

Same way Peyton Manning is more talented than Tom Brady but Tom Brady is still the GOAT

Roland17:


You are misconstruing me. Choosing not to expand his offense does not mean he has stagnated! Absolutely not.. Also, the peak or maybe I should have used the word “prime” instead can be measured using his active years. Take Shaq and the Admiral for instance, both chose not to expand their games past beneath/ around the rim. They just improved on their already existing offense without expanding past the rim. Even in his existing game there are aspects he still needs to improve on and that can be the goal. If he does not plan to expand his game, there is no biggie there and that does not imply he has stagnated. If the plan is to expand his offense then he has not shown anything different.

What will you have Giannis add to his game? From what I have seen it is not from a lack of effort. I still think most of what ailed Giannis vs the Raptors was running into a slightly more battle tested squad. He can shoot better obviously but by how much. He is also going to need his teammates (Middleton, Bledsoe) not to look like bums

A40:

No one said Magic was dormant at scoring simply that he took far fewer shots and averaged far more assists than LeNomad. You're not a pass first guy while taking 20 shots a game.

This is not an indictment or an Inquisition of LeNomad's ability to pass just correcting the notion that he is anything but primarily a scorer

Magic has averaged over 15 shots a game in a few seasons. Just because LeBron can score doesnt take away his playmaking. Lebron can play point guard more comfortably than he can play shooting guard.

You're talking noise mate. Your point made 0 sense

Of course it doesnt make any sense when you've nit picked my comment to the point where you dont even know what you're arguing about.

And what did MJ do beyond his basketball that made him mean that much? After all you bipolar lot claim and swear he did nothing for the community but sell sneakers

Thats like asking what did michael jackson do beyond music that made him mean that much. Exactly!

Sticking with the league and making sure the China money keeps rolling in. So much for the faux activist.

Lool more nonsense. What does poverty have to do with a group of people fighting for their autonomy not to be undermined and to enjoy civil liberties. Where is the connection? How convenient

Your man is a sellout who talks from both sides of his mouth.

If this is what you think then you dont know anything about world politics or world history. There are tenths of regions seeking independence in the world, i dont see you carrying a flag for them. Does it mean we should just go about chopping countries up? China is doing what every country would do. Why did america declare war on the confederacy after they declared independence? You lot are so gullible its not even funny. What does raising people out of poverty have to do with it? LMAO! This guy

MJ recently donated $7m to fund clinics in his home state. Quietly and without any noise unlike your fraud who supposedly 'opened' a school that trended all over ESPN but is actually being funded by taxpayers money. A fraud

Lmaoooo don't ever compare that man to the GOAT. A real philanthropist gives with any noise and fanfare

Trash and how much more has LeBron given without fan fare? Bet you didnt know he just started to provide housing for the families of the kids in his school did you? If Jordans philanthropy is so secret how do you know about it? You think the biggest NBA player in the world opening a school can be kept secret? Did you know that the proceeds from "the decision" you lot bash him for went to the boys and girls club. The school is supposed to be mostly funded by taxpayers other wise it becomes a charter school. Your gullibility when it comes to society and politics is hilarious

What is this clown on about. Your eyes are open but you can barely read and comprehend. Figuratively speaking Tom Brady got the better of both their head to head matchups even in his MVP season.

How old are you? you cant engage in a constructive argument without name calling just because you're losing woefully? Shame

Asking me why Tom Brady is not the best QB right now speaks to your ignorance because how you expect a 42 year old to be the best player in the league is bizarre to put it mildly.

Where did i ask you why tom brady isnt the best QB? What is wrong with this guy? you're making up stuff to argue about now. Not going to play into that.

Tom Brady has won 3 MVPs, 4 Superbowl MVPs, the only unbeaten season in modern era. Whether rings or individual achievements Brady is not lacking anywhere. He is the greatest QB and overall football player because he can influence the outcome of a game like no other player can, not Lawrence Taylor, not Jerry Rice. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr

You keep bringing up team achievements. Why prop up his ability to influence the game when you just admitted that at 42 even at the twilight of his career his team isnt faltering? Like i said, the patriots are still great but not because of tom brady. Any attempt to put their success solely on him is a fools errand.

Behind Jordan for sure

LOL LJ KAJ MJ. In that order.

Giannis is not the one that went to an NBA Final and averaged 17 pts per game.

Ahh the ol reliable. But LeBron came back and went on the greatest NBA playoff run since the boston celtics. Until Giannis proves he can recover from his sh-t show last year thats on you!

This is not Futsal. A player can be better skilled and still fall short to a less technically gifted one. It's not about their respective abilities it's about how each player has been able to maximize them for their respective teams and don't come with that nonsense of its a team sport. It's not like Messi dribbles all 10 players to go and score either

Your scoring theory is largely a myth as well. No player has ever come through in the clutch especially in the Champions League like Cristiano Ronaldo. He has more international goals as well

Same way Peyton Manning is more talented than Tom Brady but Tom Brady is still the GOAT

All those la liga trophies, all those cup and supercup titles at the expense of ronaldo, all those classicos he out shined ronaldo even in his own stadium. You fan girls couldnt talk then, Ronaldo wasnt clutch then but now you're energized. Funny people. You can name one thing he does better than ronaldo but you're sticking to your delusions of grandeur. embarrassing!

What is largely a myth? That messi is a greater scorer than ronaldo? LMAO Dude, i'm not going to entertain this nonsense. Get to stepping!

They are so shook we have haters like skip bayless wishing injury on lebron now. SMH.

KarnBarlow:

Magic has averaged over 15 shots a game in a few seasons. Just LeBron can score doesnt take away his playmaking. Lebron can play point guard more comfortably than he can play shooting guard.

The GOAT once averaged 8 assists a season yet we have zombies that swore he didn't or couldn't pass or play make

The crux here is he is primarily a scorer not a passer like people claim

KarnBarlow:

Of course it doesnt make any sense when you've nit picked my comment to the point where you dont even know what you're arguing about.

You still made 0 sense

KarnBarlow:

Thats like asking what michael jackson do beyond music that made him mean that much. Exactly!

You will never chill with your asinine comparisons. You talked about his adjudged greatness being due to his status in black communities even after being told blacks consist less than 15% of the entire American population and so it would be stupid to attribute his staying power to that. As always you're perennially in a rush to respond without reading and understanding

KarnBarlow:

If this is what you think then you dont know anything about world politics. There are tenths of regions seeking independence in the world, i dont see you carrying a flag for them. Does it mean we should just go about chopping countries up? China is doing what every country would do. Why did america declare war on the confederacy after they declared independence? You lot are so gullible its not even funny. What does raising people out of poverty have to do with it? LMAO! This guy

Ohhhh the irony. Who told this clown these Hong Kong protests are a fight for independence? Lmaoooo smh. You're so uninformed it's unreal.

This matter has nothing to do with poverty and if you think China lifted the likes of Hong Kong and Macau out of poverty then you're far more ignorant than I assumed

KarnBarlow:

Trash and how much more has LeBron given without fan fare. If his philanthropy is so secret how do you know about it? You think the biggest NBA player in the world opening a school can be kept secret? Did you know that the proceeds from "the decision" you lot bash him for went to the boys and girls club. Your gullibility is frankly very funny

What donation has LeNomad done that did not lead to a media circus. Man's opened a school actually being funded by taxpayers and you lot ran with it

Pocket watching clowns call MJ stingy but he just put down 4 times more than what LeNomad is alleged to have put on the table with little or no noise

KarnBarlow:

You keep bringing up team achievements. Why prop up his ability to influence the game when you just admitted that at 42 even at the twilight of his career his team isnt faltering? Like i said, the patriots are still great but not because of tom brady. Any attempt to put their success solely on him is a fools errand.

I have to question your ability to read at this point. Please don't take offense

When did 3 League MVPs become a team effort? 4 Superbowl MVPs are also team achievement.

Tom Brady has 14 TDs and 5 picks for the season. He is doing his part. This is past his peak Brady anyway, prime Brady was passing for 50 TDs in a season and leading his team to unbeaten seasons in his prime. Brady is not at his best but to suggest the team has been great without or inspite of him is clownery.

KarnBarlow:

LOL LJ KAJ MJ. In that order.

MJ-KAJ-Magic-Kobe-Bird-Duncan-LeNomad

KarnBarlow:

Ahh the ol reliable. But LeBron came back and went on the greatest NBA playoff run since the boston celtics. Until Giannis proves he can recover from his sh-t show last year thats on you!

Then wait for that time. Afterall LeNomad didn't win a chip till his 9th year in the league with an Avengers ensemble

KarnBarlow:

All those la liga trophies, all those cup and supercup titles at the expense of ronaldo, all those classicos he out shined ronaldo even in his own stadium. You fan girls couldnt talk then, Ronaldo wasnt clutch then but now you're energized. Funny people. You can name one thing he does better than ronaldo but you're sticking to your delusions of grandeur. Frankly its embarrassing!

What is largely a myth? That messi is a greater scorer than ronaldo? LMAO Dude, i'm not going to entertain this nonsense. Get to stepping!

Nonsense. What of CL trophies? Where were you when Ronaldo decided the Copa Del Rey Final on neutral ground?

Ronaldo joined a Madrid team that couldn't get past the second round of a CL campaign and led the team to 4 titles in 9 years and you're comparing him to a Messi that met an established system on ground. BS!

When Messi leads his teams to 5 CL titles get at me. E go be

PS: Since you clearly don't understand what individual achievements mean, peruse the image below

A40:

The GOAT once averaged 8 assists a season yet we have zombies that swore he didn't or couldn't pass or play make

The crux here is he is primarily a scorer not a passer like people claim

Here we go, moving the goal post again. When did this become about Jordans play making? Even Kobe can play make but theres levels to this. Hes no lebron or magic. Nope, the point is about lebron being more magic than jordan.

You still made 0 sense

Or maybe you're just not capable of understanding. Like everything i post its pretty straight forward, but comprehension doesnt come easily for everyone.

You will never chill with your asinine comparisons. You talked about his adjudged greatness being due to his status in black communities even after being told blacks consist less than 15% of the entire American population and so it would be stupid to attribute his staying power to that. As always you're perennially in a rush to respond without reading and understanding

I swear the way you cant understand simple concepts is extremely alarming. I admitted jordan was a global icon, then his status in the basketball community and then i emphasized how much he means especially to the black community. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Can the same not be said of michael jackson? Its like saying manny pacquiao is a global icon, and hes like a god in the Philippines. Again, simple concept. You'd think.

Ohhhh the irony. Who told this clown these Hong Kong protests are a fight for independence? Lmaoooo smh. You're so uninformed it's unreal.

Have you considered a career in stand up? What did Daryl Morey tweet to start this? Did you not just literally post this

Lool more nonsense. What does poverty have to do with a group of people fighting for their autonomy not to be undermined and to enjoy civil liberties. Where is the connection? How convenient

Dude, stop with this issue. You know nothing about it and it shows. Its embarrassing. Starting to think yomi has 3 accounts on this thread.

This matter has nothing to do with poverty and if you think China lifted the likes of Hong Kong and Macau out of poverty then you're far more ignorant than I assumed

I'm the ignorant one? Between 1990 and 2015 china went from having 755 million people below the poverty line by world bank standard to less than a million. Do you know what it means for a populous, the most populous country in the world to achieve what the chinese economy has been achieving? to grow at a pace fast enough to meet the new employment needs of the population. You dont understand economics so i dont expect you to appreciate the stats and data. They may not be perfect, but they're doing great for themselves. Keep believing the nonsense western media keeps feeding you.

What donation has LeNomad done that did not lead to a media circus. Man's opened a school actually being funded by taxpayers and you lot ran with it

Pocket watching clowns call MJ stingy but he just put down 4 times more than what LeNomad is alleged to have put on the table with little or no noise

If the school isnt mainly funded by tax payers it will be a charter school einstein. Did you know lebron has started providing housing for the families of his students as well. Mj "silently" put it down but somehow you know about it. Do you think if MJ was still the biggest basketball star in the world it wouldnt hit all the headlines? This dude

I have to question your ability to read at this point. Please don't take offense

When a person doesn't even understand what he typed but accuses someone else of lack of comprehension

When did 3 League MVPs become a team effort? 4 Superbowl MVPs are also team achievement.

Tom Brady has 14 TDs and 5 picks for the season. He is doing his part. This is past his peak Brady anyway, prime Brady was passing for 50 TDs in a season and leading his team to unbeaten seasons in his prime. Brady is not at his best but to suggest the team has been great without or inspite of him is clownery.

So is believing they are succeeding because of him.

MJ-KAJ-Magic-Kobe-Bird-Duncan-LeNomad

You also think ronaldo is better than messi, we get it, you have funny opinions.

Then wait for that time. Afterall LeNomad didn't win a chip till his 9th year in the league with an Avengers ensemble
Nonsense. What of CL trophies? Where were you when Ronaldo decided the Copa Del Rey Final on neutral ground?

Ronaldo joined a Madrid team that couldn't get past the second round of a CL campaign and led the team to 4 titles in 9 years and you're comparing him to a Messi that met an established system on ground. BS!

When Messi leads his teams to 5 CL titles get at me. E go be

PS: Since you clearly don't understand what individual achievements mean, peruse the image below

You bronsexuals never fail to contradict yourself, ohh with ronaldo its his team but then messi should lead his team

Like i said, i'm not going to entertain this rubbish.

That could have been worse!!! Hopefully other tests confirm it’s just a concussion and no injuries to Kemba’s neck.

AD decided to switch his game tonight, playing more from the perimeter and making 4 of 7 3 pointers in the process. And someone here will compare Giannis to him. SMH

steady986:
AD decided to switch his game tonight, playing more from the perimeter and making 4 of 7 3 pointers in the process. And someone here will compare Giannis to him. SMH

Giannis has shot the 3 ball better than AD this season. What are you on about?

He has even hit 4/7 in one game this season as well.

yomi96:
but you have to win as many games as you can o, cause the west is stacked

Home court won't affect the strongest contenders. Health will.

Kemba walker

Roland17:
That could have been worse!!! Hopefully other tests confirm it’s just a concussion and no injuries to Kemba’s neck.

are you watching lac vs rockets


People expected kwahi and Paul to kill it


This team can't be the Lakers

The most dangerous player on the clippers is not Kawhi or Paul George, its Lou Williams.

KarnBarlow:
The most dangerous player on the clippers is not Kawhi or Paul George, its Lou Williams.

honestly


Paul George is hype and wash 11 points all game

Dynamic duel indeed

Eruditor:


Giannis has shot the 3 ball better than AD this season. What are you on about?

He has even hit 4/7 in one game this season as well.

No. Check again

iamJ:
honestly


Paul George is hype and wash 11 points all game

Dynamic duel indeed

I really want to see this match up in the playoffs. I really really do. It shall be coined "The Battle of the chokers".

Why do the Clippers need to double team Harden? Just makes no sense.

Men this 4th is fire


See flipping

Overtime wouldn't be bad

James harden needs to leave the rockets


He is too good for that team

It's over clippers have won


Westbrook is a lousy fool

The clippers are the real deal. They're not even 100% yet. Scary.

iamJ:
It's over clippers have won


Westbrook is a lousy fool

Westbrick you mean. Besides, its not his fault. The rockets did well to make it this close but ultimately the clippers are just better. We are watching a dynasty in the making.

Eruditor:


Home court won't affect the strongest contenders. Health will.

You're acting as though you didn't understand what he said. You can't get to the playoffs in the first place if you don't win your regular season games. No one's talking about home advantage.