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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by webngnews: 10:01pm On Nov 22, 2019
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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LabDNA: 10:03pm On Nov 22, 2019
onome442:
oga British airways flight dey ph

Chai Nigerians and their low I.Q ehhhh!
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by donsoronzo: 10:04pm On Nov 22, 2019
halitraffik:
Lets look at the chairmen of NURTW all over Nigeria, NURTW Stands for National Union of Road Transport Workers.

The National Union of Road Transport Workers is an independent Nigeria Union that serves the interests of transport workers in the road transport sector, by calling for collective obtaining and pushing for social stability for all workers in the transport sector as defined in its constitution.
Lagos is not in this list

Even thou there are NURTW Chairmen all over Nigeria, the most popular is Musiliu Ayinde Akinsanya, better known as MC Oluomo .

I use to say NURTW Makes more money than UBER Worldwide, this as resulted in so many assassinations and violence over the years

This List was compiled from news publications all over the internet

Every state in Nigeria has NURTW Chairmen Loyal to the state government

Lets Get Started

Abia State
Comrade Eugene Ezechiobu

Adamawa State
Alhaji Bello Adamu

Akwa Ibom
Comrade Ubong Udo Udofia

Anambra
Chief Augustine Udeozor

Bayelsa
Mr. ThankGod Eribo

Benue
Jerome Ukor

Borno
Malam Bello Maduganari

Delta
CHIEF Ifeanyi Obi

Ebonyi
Mr Anthony Ewa

Edo
Leadership tussle in progress

Ekiti
Mr Oso Farotimi

Enugu
Mr. Matthew Asogwa

Gombe
Alhaji Ibrahim Bala

IMO
Comrade Izuchukwu Okebaram

Jigawa
Alhaji Hussaini Umar

Kaduna
Bature Y. Sulaiman

Katsina
Alhaji Muhammad Haruna

Kebbi
Mohammed Najeeb

Kogi
Jimoh Ibrahim

Kwara
Alhaji Issa Ore

Nasarawa
Mr Salihu Adamu

Ogun
Alhaji Akeem Bodunrin

Ondo
Mr Jacob Adebo

Osun
Comrade Olamilekan Folorunso

Plateau
Alhaji Yishau Mohammed

Rivers
Pastor Kalango

Yobe
Ahmed Khalid

https://www.halitraffik.com/index.php/blog/nurtw-chairmen-all-over-nigeria_10
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 11:54pm On Nov 22, 2019
LegendHero:


You are right! The Yorubas in their majority are actually reserved and they will rather travel abroad than move around inter-region in huge numbers.

Which explained why there ain't lot of company owned luxurious buses of SW company as against the other regions.

Tho the above statement dosen't implies any superiority and do not mean the Yorubas are better than others.

Edos travel abroad more than Yoruba people on percentage basis.
Infact you find 5 Benin people trying to migrate abroad before you see 1 Benin person who wants to travel to Lagos, Abuja or PH...... But inspite of this, Edo has over 10 company owned transport vehicles.

This is not an excuse.

Besides, Yorubas migrate to the north and SS a lot. Yorubas in the North and SS can be up to 3 million.
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Insectkiller: 11:55pm On Nov 22, 2019
They should have put their nickname...so we can know Dem..

For instance: killer, oluomo, Douglas, tiger, lion, pin, etc

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 11:57pm On Nov 22, 2019
legba1:
Who says they are only strong in SW....you can just mistakenly carry like 5 folks in you car and try drop one of them at lugbe...then you will see them come at you and vandalise your vehicle.......the day they dealt with me...they did same to a policeman and dare him do his worst,,,,this is in ABJ and not SW.......na only soja thos MOFO fear

Hausas and SS people too to an extent value this NURTW.
However, Middlebelt and Igbo people do not value this thing.
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 12:06am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


Edos travel abroad more than Yoruba people on percentage basis.
Infact you find 5 Benin people trying to migrate abroad before you see 1 Benin person who wants to travel to Lagos, Abuja or PH...... But inspite of this, Edo has over 10 company owned transport vehicles.

This is not an excuse.

Besides, Yorubas migrate to the north and SS a lot. Yorubas in the North and SS can be up to 3 million.

You again! What is the total number of all Edo people combined? How will you even compare Edo state to Yorubas in numbers if something is not wrong somewhere.

The premises of the arguments is based on intra-Nigeria traveling across regions and that made me talk about the Yorubas (6 SW states) not traveling around the country in their majority to other places.

It is a fact that Yorubas are reserved within our enclaves and the percentage of Yorubas in other regions of Nigeria is lesser in comparison to the other major tribes.

I won’t talk about your bolded word coz it will just be an exercise in futility in trying to debate number of Yorubas and Edo people in diaspora.

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 12:28am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


You again! What is the total number of all Edo people combined? How will you even compare Edo state to Yorubas in numbers if something is not wrong somewhere.

The premises of the arguments is based on intra-Nigeria traveling across regions and that made me talk about the Yorubas (6 SW states) not traveling around the country in their majority to other places.

It is a fact that Yorubas are reserved within our enclaves and the percentage of Yorubas in other regions of Nigeria is lesser in comparison to the other major tribes.

I won’t talk about your bolded word coz it will just be an exercise in futility in trying to debate number of Yorubas and Edo people in diaspora.

You obviously did not read my post well.

I said Edo people travel abroad more than Yoruba people based on PERCENTAGE and not absolute population.

Of course, there are more Yoruba people abroad than Edos, but there is a higher percentage of Edo people abroad compared to Yorubas. That is my point.

Yorubas travel out of their homeland less compared to Igbos & Hausas because the most developed city in Nigeria is in their region.

However, what about Yorubas travelling from Kwara, Kogi, Ondo and Ekiti to Lagos?

Igbos & Niger deltans have many transport companies who travel within their own respective regions.
For instance, most people travelling from Benin, Auchi, Ekpoma, Oghara, Sapele and Warri to Port harcourt, Calabar and Uyo will make use of transport company vehicles and not ALONG VEHICLES.

Unless you are travelling from lets say Warri- Benin (1 hour journey), that's when people mostly use along vehicles.
Infact it is a 50/50 thing from Warri- Benin between Along vehicles and transport companies.
Many people still take Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ecobus and many other transport companies from Benin- Warri and Vice versa.

So, this NURTW is mostly a Yoruba thing. Yorubas just have a love for the Agbero culture if you ask me grin
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 12:38am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


You obviously did not read my post well.

I said Edo people travel abroad more than Yoruba people based on PERCENTAGE and not absolute population.

Of course, there are more Yoruba people abroad than Edos, but there is a higher percentage of Edo people abroad compared to Yorubas. That is my point.

Yorubas travel out of their homeland less compared to Igbos & Hausas because the most developed city in Nigeria is in their region.

However, what about Yorubas travelling from Kwara, Kogi, Ondo and Ekiti to Lagos?

Igbos & Niger deltans have many transport companies who travel within their own respective regions.
For instance, most people travelling from Benin, Auchi, Ekpoma, Oghara, Sapele and Warri to Port harcourt, Calabar and Uyo will make use of transport company vehicles and not ALONG VEHICLES.

Unless you are travelling from lets say Warri- Benin (1 hour journey), that's when people mostly use along vehicles.
Infact it is a 50/50 thing from Warri- Benin between Along vehicles and transport companies.
Many people still take Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ecobus and many other transport companies from Benin- Warri and Vice versa.

So, this NURTW is mostly a Yoruba thing. Yorubas just have a love for the Agbero culture if you ask me grin

Do you have any statistical data to back that up or you’re just using the figment of your imagination or the usual analogy of Italy?

You should know NURTW had a long history in Yorubaland and having a transport company that make use of luxurious buses to transit within the SW will be a bad market decision.

In economics, market are different and the several factors might dampen the growth of a particular business relative to another location. I can easily get sole (bus not in bus-stops) going to any location in the SW and most private people tend to do the business themselves using normal buses than organized luxurious buses.

I still stand by my words, the reason why the Yorubas don’t see organized transport companies as a good business investment is because of the culture of not traveling much in numbers outside their enclaves and the fact that normal along and hummer buses can cover the length and breadth of the SW and it’s been like that for ages.

Your last words tho, Yoruba leads in everything, not just NURTW. Other regions have NURTW, just that the Yoruba superiority also take place in that domain!

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:01am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


Do you have any statistical data to back that up or you’re just using the figment of your imagination or the usual analogy of Italy?

You should know NURTW had a long history in Yorubaland and having a transport company that make use of luxurious buses to transit within the SW will be a bad market decision.

In economics, market are different and the several factors might dampen the growth of a particular business relative to another location. I can easily get sole (bus not in bus-stops) going to any location in the SW and most private people tend to do the business themselves using normal buses than organized luxurious buses.

I still stand by my words, the reason why the Yorubas don’t see organized transport companies as a good business investment is because of the culture of not traveling much in numbers outside their enclaves and the fact that normal along and hummer buses can cover the length and breadth of the SW and it’s been like that for ages.

Your last words tho, Yoruba leads in everything, not just NURTW. Other regions have NURTW, just that the Yoruba superiority also take place in that domain!

I schooled in Benin and have lived there for about 7 years.
It is almost impossible to find a Benin family without people abroad.
Go to Benin, people are building new houses everyday and everywhere and a lot of them comes from abroad money. Containers with foreign provisions and used appliances are opening everywhere in Benin. It is a lucrative business that is inspired from the Benins in diaspora.

Infact see a simple experiment I just did.
Pick any Benin name you know and search for it on facebook and check where the people answering these names reside!

I just did it for OSARETIN & OSARO (random names) and see the results I am getting grin

My brother, dey nor dey argue am oo. Benins have the largest percentage of people abroad compared to any other Nigerian ethnic group!

From what I am seeing, something around 30% of Benin youths are abroad. No Nigerian tribe can match this. Not even Igbos who travel abroad more than Yorubas.

Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:06am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


Do you have any statistical data to back that up or you’re just using the figment of your imagination or the usual analogy of Italy?

You should know NURTW had a long history in Yorubaland and having a transport company that make use of luxurious buses to transit within the SW will be a bad market decision.

In economics, market are different and the several factors might dampen the growth of a particular business relative to another location. I can easily get sole (bus not in bus-stops) going to any location in the SW and most private people tend to do the business themselves using normal buses than organized luxurious buses.

I still stand by my words, the reason why the Yorubas don’t see organized transport companies as a good business investment is because of the culture of not traveling much in numbers outside their enclaves and the fact that normal along and hummer buses can cover the length and breadth of the SW and it’s been like that for ages.

Your last words tho, Yoruba leads in everything, not just NURTW. Other regions have NURTW, just that the Yoruba superiority also take place in that domain!

Face it bro.... Yorubas just love the 'tout & thuggery culture'...
This is whey everything from Agbero to Omo onile to Owomida are the handiworks of Yorubas.
You people should change abeg.

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 1:06am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


I schooled in Benin and have lived there for about 7 years.
It is almost impossible to find a Benin family without people abroad.
Go to Benin, people are building new houses everyday and everywhere and a lot of them comes from abroad money. Containers with foreign provisions and used appliances are opening everywhere in Benin. It is a lucrative business that is inspired from the Benins in diaspora.

Infact see a simple experiment I just did.
Pick any Benin name you know and search for it on facebook and check where the people answering these names reside!

I just did it for OSARETIN & OSARO (random names) and see the results I am getting grin

My brother, dey nor dey argue am oo. Benins have the largest percentage of people abroad compared to any other Nigerian ethnic group!

From what I am seeing, something around 30% of Benin youths are abroad. No Nigerian tribe can match this. Not even Igbos who travel abroad more than Yorubas.

Your analogy is based on a defective premises and your personal experience shouldn’t be a rallying sample point to have this much confidence for what you claimed.

Anyway I don’t argue things that can’t be quantified, so I’ll just agree with what you said until real data prove otherwise.

Got you.
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 1:12am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


Face it bro.... Yorubas just love the 'tout & thuggery culture'...
This is whey everything from Agbero to Omo onile to Owomida are the handiworks of Yorubas.
You people should change abeg.

How is that your headache? Did any Yoruba come to your house to beg you to emancipate them.

Have you forgotten the Union is also a means of livelihood to people and everyone won’t work in a corporate company or as business men or women.

Do you know how much the unionist rake in for the government daily or you don’t you think that is a form of revenue generating agency for the local government too.

MC Oluomo that you all tend to abuse had his son emerge the valedictorian in Georgia and we all saw the picture where the governor of Texas honored his family.

What have you ever achieved for yourself or your environment to make you badmouth others people work no matter how dirty you could think they are.

You all just come online and condemn everything not knowing that is a means of living for those people and you should also know there is dignity in labor.

For every bad NURTW you have, we have hundreds of good one making their money and contributing to the common wealth.

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:21am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


Your analogy is based on a defective premises and your personal experience shouldn’t be a rallying sample point to have this much confidence for what you claimed.

Anyway I don’t argue things that can’t be quantified, so I’ll just agree with what you said until real data prove otherwise.

Got you.

Didn't you see the live in facebook experiment I gave you?

Here again, I just did another for ITOHAN & ESOHE (common benin names).
Do it yourself, just type any common Benin name you know and you will see so many people answering that name living abroad in the first page of your search and 90% of the people you will see in the search are either living in Benin or abroad.

Yoruba people even leave the SW compared to Benin people who hardly ever leave Benin unless they are travelling abroad !

Yet you see GIG (the best transport & logistics company in Nigeria) is in Benin. You also have Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ohonba motors, Edegbe line, Osariemen motors, Osaro motors... and others!

So you can see that your excuse is not good enough. It holds no water.

Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:27am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


How is that your headache? Did any Yoruba come to your house to beg you to emancipate them.

Have you forgotten the Union is also a means of livelihood to people and everyone won’t work in a corporate company or as business men or women.

Do you know how much the unionist rake in for the government daily or you don’t you think that is a form of revenue generating agency for the local government too.

MC Oluomo that you all tend to abuse had his son emerge the valedictorian in Georgia and we all saw the picture where the governor of Texas honored his family.

What have you ever achieved for yourself or your environment to make you badmouth others people work no matter how dirty you could think they are.

You all just come online and condemn everything not knowing that is a means of living for those people and you should also know there is dignity in labor.

For every bad NURTW you have, we have hundreds of good one making their money and contributing to the common wealth.


You are very correct. There is dignity in Labour.

However, in a civilized clime and settings which you and I should strive for, Agberoism and thuggery should never be encouraged or celebrated. NURTW is doing just that. It celebrates and encourages thuggery.

How do you think a society where thuggery is celebrated will be able to convince it's youths and children that education is the key to success?
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 1:28am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


Didn't you see the live in facebook experiment I gave you?

Here again, I just did another for ITOHAN & ESOHE (common benin names).
Do it yourself, just type any common Benin name you know and you will see so many people answering that name living abroad in the first page of your search and 90% of the people you will see in the search are either living in Benin or abroad.

Yoruba people even leave the SW compared to Benin people who hardly ever leave Benin unless they are travelling abroad !

Yet you see GIG (the best transport & logistics company in Nigeria) is in Benin. You also have Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ohonba motors, Edegbe line, Osariemen motors, Osaro motors... and others!

So you can see that your excuse is not good enough. It holds no water.

What should I do with the Facebook attachment you keep attaching. What should I also do with Edo people abroad and how should that be my headache. Is this a superiority contest or why should I bother about Edo abroad.

The premises of my argument is within Nigeria and tribe that inter travel much. How much is the number of Edo in Nigeria compared to their Yoruba counterpart?

When measuring intra-migration within region, don’t you think numbers should be factor into it. Have you ever wondered why the population of people moving into SW daily is more than any other region in Nigeria?

Business investment is a function of Market coz that is what determines the type of business you venture into. For you to be successful you have to carry out Market research to know the business ideas that will yield the profit for you. I don’t have time to keep explaining things over and over again!

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LegendHero(m): 1:34am On Nov 23, 2019
Nowenuse:


You are very correct. There is dignity in Labour.

However, in a civilized clime and settings which you and I should strive for, Agberoism and thuggery should never be encouraged or celebrated. NURTW is doing just that. It celebrates and encourages thuggery.

How do you think a society where thuggery is celebrated will be able to convince it's youths and children that education is the key to success?

What is civilized about Nigeria? Tell me one thing civilized about this country. The people that encourages thuggery are the politician and it is hard for you to see NURTW standing alone without politician alliance and interference.

Do you even know the meaning of NURTW to start with? Do you know there are lot of literate plying that trade and making huge money outta it? I’ve told you we have good NURTW workers that are responsible with families to cater for. That baba carrying passenger from Ibadan to Osun is a NURTW member and he has family to cater for back home so what is his sin ?

Because we have bad police in the force, does that imply we should eradicate the police force in its entirety? Police are one of the highest extortionist we have in Nigeria, should we then eradicate them completely because it’s been polluted by criminals?

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 2:07am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


What should I do with the Facebook attachment you keep attaching. What should I also do with Edo people abroad and how should that be my headache. Is this a superiority contest or why should I bother about Edo abroad.

The premises of my argument is within Nigeria and tribe that inter travel much. How much is the number of Edo in Nigeria compared to their Yoruba counterpart?
Were you not the one arguing with me? cheesy


When measuring intra-migration within region, don’t you think numbers should be factor into it. Have you ever wondered why the population of people moving into SW daily is more than any other region in Nigeria?
People moving into Lagos daily. How many people move to Ibadan, Osogbo or Ogomosho?

Ilorin to Lagos is about 6 hours or more.

Benin to PH is 4 hours, yet you can never find along vehicles from Benin to PH, you must use a transport company, so I don't get your point.


Business investment is a function of Market coz that is what determines the type of business you venture into. For you to be successful you have to carry out Market research to know the business ideas that will yield the profit for you. I don’t have time to keep explaining things over and over again!

So are you saying that if I open a transport company from Ilorin to Lagos, Ado-Ekiti to Lagos, Ondo to Ibadan, then I won't make profit because most Yoruba people will not patronize me since they prefer along motors?

What is really your point?

The SS and SE have a better organized transport system than the Yorubas, just face it. No argument there.

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 2:28am On Nov 23, 2019
LegendHero:


What is civilized about Nigeria? Tell me one thing civilized about this country. The people that encourages thuggery are the politician and it is hard for you to see NURTW standing alone without politician alliance and interference.
Nigeria is not civilized, but why are you and I educated? Is it not in the hope that we should become more civilized, hence a more civilized society?


Do you even know the meaning of NURTW to start with? Do you know there are lot of literate plying that trade and making huge money outta it? I’ve told you we have good NURTW workers that are responsible with families to cater for. That baba carrying passenger from Ibadan to Osun is a NURTW member and he has family to cater for back home so what is his sin ?
Yes there are literates within NURTW, but the illiterates and thugs far outnumber the literates.

Yes I will not deny that this system of transportation is a great source of self-employment for millions of people. However, it largely enriches the most powerful thugs who can mobilize boys (other thugs), rather than empowering big time educated capitalists and investors with legally registered business ventures who pay tax to the government.

It is not a system that promotes development and fits into the modern world! This is why such systems do not exist in the developed world.


Because we have bad police in the force, does that imply we should eradicate the police force in its entirety? Police are one of the highest extortionist we have in Nigeria, should we then eradicate them completely because it’s been polluted by criminals?

When there are too many criminals in the police force or a security force, the whole force is supposed to be reorganized, restructured and reorientated! And this is what the Nigerian govt should have long done.

If we want a sane society, this NURTW thing should be abolished and the transport system should be open to capitalist investors who will have registered transport companies with reliable customer services and pay tax to the government. This people in turn will employ thousands of drivers.
This will increase the competition to please customers and in return be a big favour to we the customers.

These NURTW people carry their outdated vehicles in terrible conditions and put in parks, forcing 10 people into a vehicle meant for only 5 people. And once the motor spoils halfway, your money is gone!
They talk to people rudely and even harass their passengers. They increase their fares whenever they like and we the customers have no other choice because it is a union which they abide to.

This is the reason why Nigeria as a country will never work.
See you now, an educated, most likely youth is here rigorously defending the NURTW system of transportation which celebrates the most rigorous thugs over a more customer friendly capitalist and organized system of transportation. Why? Simply because of tribalism. You must defend your yoruba people who mostly practice and promote this NURTW system.

I won't be surprise if people like you also defend the Owomidas and Omoniles tomorrow.
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Burgerlomo: 2:42am On Nov 23, 2019
visijo:
My bank account balance is confusing me oh. I don't know if they have changed it to a Radio frequency....
All I see is 108.5
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Did you see any alphabet letters such as AM/FM in it cool

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by tammie24: 6:16am On Nov 23, 2019
ProudDick:

Yorubas don’t travel all over Nigeria like igbos. SW is the travel destination of all regions.
ouch!
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by verifiablefacts: 7:24am On Nov 23, 2019
SalamRushdie:
NURTW doesn't make more money than Uber ..NURTW makes an estimated 188 billion naira annually while UBER 2018 revenues was 3.6 billion dollars which is about 1.3 trillion naira
are they playing the same role, for comparison?
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by SmartDave(m): 9:11am On Nov 23, 2019
LabDNA:


The British don't travel out of their country as Britain is a travel destination to the whole world, that's why British airways doesn't exist.

Mumu talk.

Read wide una nor gree.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/home/public/en_ng

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by LabDNA: 9:40am On Nov 23, 2019
SmartDave:


Mumu talk.

Read wide una nor gree.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/home/public/en_ng

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways



Another dumb one.

Are some Nigerians really these porous in the brain?
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by ProudDick: 9:42am On Nov 23, 2019
LabDNA:


The British don't travel out of their country as Britain is a travel destination to the whole world, that's why British airways doesn't exist.

Britain that colonized almost the whole world?
Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 9:57am On Nov 23, 2019
ProudDick:


Which percentage did you use you fool? Edos do not travel more than ijebu alone. Fools like you make asinine statements which you know nothing about.

You are as dumb, childish and irresponsible as the name of your moniker, desist from quoting me cos I don't have the time to debate people like you.

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Re: NURTW Chairmen In Various States In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 10:22am On Nov 23, 2019
ProudDick:


You lack the brain capacity to debate anyone for that matter. Smart people would laugh at your stupidity. Because you lived in Benin then you must know that they travel more than ondo people when you know nothing about ondo. Dunce.

Touts in Benin are the most fiery I ever seen. Yet this idiot is talking about thugs in Yoruba land. Go to aba and see real thuggery.

Thuggery exists in the SS/SE, however they are not celebrated and promoted by the society unlike in the SW.

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