nelsonoba:


And if you think it's very easy to start a church and be successful, then why don't you start one yourself and show us an example? Do you know there are over 200,000 registered churches in Nigeria, both real and fake combined? How come out of over 200,000 there are not up to 100 churches that have become so successful that so many people know of them like Dunamis, Winners, Dominion City, Redeemed, etc??

But your brain will not allow you do the maths to see reality. Please go and start one church let us see how easy it is!

And for your information, there are churches like Winners, Dominion city and others that I know of where their G.O.s don't collect any salary. They are entitled to salary, but they have refused to be collecting it for many years till date just as a sign to show that their faith is in God, and God blesses them through other sources including from members and non-members. Some of these GOs have businesses that generate money for them. Some of them have hundreds of people on scholarships.

But people like you and Daddy freeze will not open your eyes to see the truth. All you know and talk about are the fake pastors who are not there for God. Why don't you ever talk about people like Apostle Suleiman who has hundreds on scholarships and provides direct employment to many people from his businesses outside of his church?? The earlier you stop deceiving yourself to think all pastors are fake, the better for you and your daddy freeze

There was this late radical preacher in America called David Wilkerson who once wrote:

That is the great idolatry of our day. There is a great host of preachers who have literally cast aside the message of the cross of Jesus Christ!

Be warned: It doesn't matter what anyone tells you about a great "revival" or moving of the Spirit taking place; it doesn't matter how many multitudes are involved, or how loud their praises are; it doesn't matter how "successful" a particular ministry may appear to be. If the cross of Jesus Christ is not the door through which people come, you can rest assured -- it is not a work of God!

The cross -- including its demands and hope -- are the very heart of the gospel. And any worship -- any fellowship, anything calling itself church -- is blatant idolatry if the cross is not at its center. Such worship is of another spirit entirely -- and God will have nothing to do with it. Without the cross, all that is left is chaff -- a perverted gospel, something from the pits of hell. It is an idolatry more insulting to the Lord than the idolatry of Israel!

Yet, in most churches where this "other gospel" is preached, the pews are packed. All the right words are sung and spoken. The theological terms, such as holiness, Holy Spirit and the cross, are mentioned. Everything looks good and sounds right. But the reality of the cross is not presented! The crisis of the cross, the confrontational aspects, are completely avoided. And if a sermon about the cross does not include confrontation of sin -- if it does not bring you to the crisis of the cross -- it is not the true preaching of the cross!

If I were to preach about the demands of the cross in many churches today -- with its death to all lusts and worldly pleasures -- the crowds would flee, just as they did when Jesus told them of the cost of following him. If I were to say to the comfortable multitudes, "God demands that you face your sins, kneel at the cross, deal with your wickedness" -- two-thirds of the congregation would leave offended and never come back.

Such churches never even mention the cross. Instead, they pour their energies into clever meetings full of showmanship, dramatic illustrations, sermons on how to cope with life's problems. Right now we're seeing a whole new generation of smart, young ministers -- bright, diligent, capable men -- who build huge complexes offering people everything from daycare to spas to body-building classes. Parishioners can now center their church involvement around recreation, entertainment, family events, musicals. It is all high tech, contemporary and non-threatening.

I believe God must wink at many of these frail attempts to attract souls with modern enticements. He seems to have much patience with such well-intentioned, fleshly efforts to promote the gospel. But God help the ministers of these churches if they refuse to warn their people to forsake their sins!

Jeremiah lamented,

"...they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness..." (Jeremiah 23:14).

"But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way,
and from the evil of their doings" (verse 22).

I say to such ministers, "Bring back the cross -- or the people's blood will be upon your hands!"

He will soon open his own church. Bird of a feather.............

angelEmade:
fake pastor...simply an idiot....
how come he is telling us that now that he has been sacked? hypocrisy everywhere

Who the gods wants to destroy, they first turn mad. I give that abraham few months, when the money he stole finish first

angelEmade:
fake pastor...simply an idiot....
how come he is telling us that now that he has been sacked? hypocrisy everywhere

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Because that's what criminals do. They snitch on one another when caught or fight when the sharing formula is distorted. They are all "unconvicted" criminals nonetheless.

Forget the messenger. Did you get the message?
/

bereanway:
Why are you attacking Dunamis? Dunamis is a great church with a God-fearing and humble Senior Pastor that preaches the word with insight. He is a Pastor with open testimony, character and integrity.

Mr Daniel, look for something good to do.

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING DUMAMIS?
his he not saying what everyone knew before now

truthsayer009:


Don't worry about the Miracles, I would arrange it. Just become Mummy G.O. Otan.
We would also be needing beautiful girls on short Mini's as Ushers. Na wetin Nigerian men want na.

Lol!

You are not serious.

Anyways no wonder my pastor wants me to be either in choir or usher department by fire by force, he doesn't want No for an answer and me? I still insist No! Just lemme quietly come worship God and go home in peace. We are at loggerheads, lol. I can be stubborn sha, if I don't want to be part of something

my mind is not in it. I'm not ready to be popular in church. I love my privacy even though I know my colour and looks alone stands me out but I still value my privacy. And Pastor will still scream my name when everyone is seated: sister Victoria, yes you! Abi are u not Victoria again? I will grumble and stand up, sighs.

I have enough popularity where I work and stay. I don't need extra fame in church. Lemme be biko

Sighs no wonder.

Anyways truthsayer the answer is NO!

the moment they can't handle Administration very well again, they begin to misbehave and call their leader call names.... let us fear God some of our pastors.

victorian:








Lol!

You are not serious.

Anyways no wonder my pastor wants me to be either in choir or usher department by fire by force, he doesn't want No for an answer and me? I still insist No! Just lemme quietly come worship God and go home in peace. We are at loggerheads, lol. I can be stubborn sha, if I don't want to be part of something

my mind is not in it. I'm not ready to be popular in church. I love my privacy even though I know my colour and looks alone stands me out but I still value my privacy. And Pastor will still scream my name when everyone is seated: sister Victoria, yes you! Abi are u not Victoria again? I will grumble and stand up, sighs.

I have enough popularity where I work and stay. I don't need extra fame in church. Lemme be biko

Sighs no wonder.

Anyways truthsayer the answer is NO!

Actually this selective Usher thing for fair women or beautiful women is on the rise. My Pastor actually says some women are wasting their beauty when they can become Ushers and smile to first time members when they newly arrive.

God forgive me, i have always been contemplating the decision of taking noticeable important roles in church because it becomes a duty & you must take it up every day.

Some workers in church give their everything (money & time), meanwhile when financial rewards comes for the Pastor, he'll pocket it all & tell you your reward is in heaven.

One has to be careful.

His not telling us anything new, Pentecostal movement in Nigeria is a big scam, unfortunately my fellow country men are too daft to realise that...

What do you know? Was there when Dunamis started in Durumi in '98 they didnt have much members then but everything needed by a church was ready and in gear.

E don pain am
Hahahahahaha
He needs Jesus

truthsayer009:


Actually this selective Usher thing for fair women or beautiful women is on the rise. My Pastor actually says some women are wasting their beauty when they can become Ushers and smile to first time members when they newly arrive.

God forgive me, i have always been contemplating the decision of taking noticeable important roles in church because it becomes a duty & you must take it up every day.

Some workers in church give their everything (money & time), meanwhile when financial rewards comes for the Pastor, he'll pocket it all & tell you your reward is in heaven.

One has to be careful.

That's what my pastor also said too. But I feel my intending husband mustn't be from my church or from new timers.
Thank God I'm not waiting for one brother in Church to woo and marry me.

I have enough toasters outside church already.

And I don't even have the time and strength to combine my busy schedules at work join church own. That strength I don't even have sef.
I hate being shrouded with so much responsibilities.

I have enough work around me in the office. Moreover I don't even need their money. Don't pay me, just lemme be Biko to worship my God in peace and joy.

It's well ooo

Pot calling kettle black

ask of christ apostolic church love church love assembly pastored by Dr, pst M.O Aribido.. This man of Started this church late 1990.. And for over 2oyears years this man has never i mean HAS NEVER Recieved any salary from the church.. The church has four branches with all the other pastors with the church mission houses and he as the senior pastor and we his children sleeps under the net at the head qrts... Not all men of God are fake please.. this come and interview him you will be shocked at the opportunities he threw away for the gospel's sake... he could have been atiku's boss at customs then,... There are still MEN OF GOD MR A.B Com to no 20 oluwoga street aga, ikorodu lagos state beside de-young secondary school...

So he knows the part of Christ all this while and he choose to dine in lies and deceitfulness? Thank God his eyes has open.

jesusjnr:
The church has no doubt derailed and lost her way considerably, but what I don't really get is the motive of this man for saying this since he appears to be one of those who turned it into a "den of thieves".

Would he have said this if he wasn't sacked by the church for stealing church funds among other things?

I don't think so!

This has the trappings of a thief exposing his fellow thieves for not sharing stolen money with him.

Nontheless it's a sad reality of the joke the church has turned into.

God help us and save us from all these thieves. Amen!

Amen!

Now pastors are business men when you have be caught stealing bah

Bro better go and find good job to do.

I didn't want to reply this fool not because I am a member of Dunamis (Can never be).
Dunamis is among the top 3 churches in Nigeria that pay their pastors well with good Fringe benefits.
So if you were sacked for gross misconduct, cheating and stealing of funds donated by parishioners and now you're attacking pastors it is an indication that you simply experienced 'bad market'.
So go ahead with your miserable life and live those that are serious with the business to continue.

Pastor Abraham happens to be a very good friend, with a wonderful family. I just believe the devil is just trying to use him achieve his assignment. Abraham has always been a stubborn guy from when I know him. He joined Dunamis, I believe in 2008-2010 and was in charge of the production of messages. He had the privilege of handling the senior pastors phone and helping in downloading or uploading message. Because of the love the had for him, he was then made a pastor even when he wasn't qualified ahead of others. I want to believe over familiarity is the reason for all this stupid things he is doing. The guy is just frustrated. After he left dynamism, he started his church, but all those sympathizer didn't follow him. Pastor Enenche still brought him closer, after all this insults on social media.

You know him well

samuelgogo:
Pastor Abraham happens to be a very good friend, with a wonderful family. I just believe the devil is just trying to use him achieve his assignment. Abraham has always been a stubborn guy from when I know him. He joined Dunamis, I believe in 2008-2010 and was in charge of the production of messages. He had the privilege of handling the senior pastors phone and helping in downloading or uploading message. Because of the love the had for him, he was then made a pastor even when he wasn't qualified ahead of others. I want to believe over familiarity is the reason for all this stupid things he is doing. The guy is just frustrated. After he left dynamism, he started his church, but all those sympathizer didn't follow him. Pastor Enenche still brought him closer, after all this insults on social media.

He was sacked, he's now talking rubbish.
When he was enjoying, he didn't say all these.... Hypocrites everywhere

MuttleyLaff:
You must have got sawdust for brains, thats why you can see that organised religion is one of the lucrative and most viable business in Africa. The savvy, the sharp guys, like at KICC, RCCG, Winners, Dominion city and others are making a killing. Do you know the amount that is remitted regularly from parishes to HQ at Winners and RCCG, erhn? You're a sheeple, things like that dont concern you, lol
I would like to know the truth, how true it is, he allegedly was sacked for gross misconduct, cheating and stealing of funds donated by parishioners

It's true that some G.Os don't collect salaries they are entitled or even have refused collecting salaries for many years till date, not because as a sign to show that their faith is in God, but they know they take advantage of benefits in kind, also called fringe benefits. There also are perquisites and/or perks they have access to.

"... You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time "
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Aug 26

More grease to Apostle Suleiman's elbow then, is all I have to say to your comment, aside my above quotation, lol. Peele for the obvious "sifia" pains

If you are confident you're not the one with the sawdust in your head, then why don't you prove your useless theory and start a church and be successful with it for 10 straight years? Do that to prove it, and we will come and bow before you and accept your philosophy. Otherwise, shove your useless philosophy we don't need it! Empty cymbals making the loudest noise!

If it is easy, then go and pray for a dumb or blind or paralysed person and let us see them healed na! Because you think all the millions of people you see thronging some of these churches don't recognise supernatural phenomena that they see at times in these places? You believe you know what happens in every church including places you've never been to?? Can't you see the level of your sensibility? Do you appear wise to even yourself? And the worst thing is that many of the people like you who try to form "intellectuals" and fight everything Christianity are not even half as educated as some of us that despite everything we still acknowledge God and are humble enough to know there is so much about God we don't know or understand. Can you explain how you managed to keep breathing oxygen while you were asleep and unconscious last night? Can you tell us the exact volume of oxygen you used between 12am to 6am this morning? What do you even know or understand about life? And with all your gross ignorance, you still have the guts to lecture us about who God is or is not?? Please go and park!

Praivit0:



Have you concluded, by this Man's post that the dunamis senior pastor is a thief ?.

I've seen how you normally defend TB Joshua despite so many negative things that have been said against him, and yet you're condemning a pastor who has obviously done no wrong.

You can believe the word of this so called pastor who has no integrity , yet you can't believe that TB Joshua is a charlatan despite all the men of integrity who have spoken against him.

Speaking of defending someone, if there's anyone doing that here, it's you not me, because of the kind of hasty conclusion you have drawn from my illustration of the real reason this man who clearly lacks credibility was complaining.

You should have know me by now concerning my stance on most church leaders who enrich themselves at the expense of the church members in the name of the "prosperity", such as Oyedepo, so for you to think that my making such a comment as usual of me has anything to do with what this man said, means you're actually the one who is blindly defending a pastor.

For your information, I have long known of the affiliation of this Dunamis senior pastor with Oyedepo, but I yet think he's one of better ones of the bunch, with the worst in my own opinion being David Ibeyeomi who I personally know to be a crook, except he has repented, to show that you're the one coming to hasty conclusions here.

As for TB Joshua, have you ever had me defending him as you're doing this one? Because even when EnthronedbyGod labeled him a satanist, you should have seen by my reaction that it was just one of someone giving his opinion, for i never on one occasion confronted him for doing that as you're doing to me here.

My position concerning TB Joshua is informed by what i have observed from him over the years at least at the surface level in terms of his words, actions, and the signs that follow him. For he reminds of Christ more than most of these ones you appear to be defending who remind me more of the Pharisees by their words, actions and the signs that follow them.

So don't you think that should be a more credible basis to form an opinion that someone was of God than just the opinion of men?

If TB Joshua was a false prophet and was of the devil, then he's been very good at faking it, because even those who you claim to be truly of God don't even have as much signs following them as it is of TB Joshua, so can you explain to me why that is, because that didn't happen to the likes of Peter and the other Apostles?

By the way when you speak of men of integrity, does that exclude the likes of Benny Hinn or Chris Oyakilomen? They both endorsed TB Joshua among others. Nontheless I don't think it's up to "men of integrity" to determine who was truly a man of God but God.

Thanks and God bless.

nelsonoba:
If you are confident you're not the one with the sawdust in your head, then why don't you prove your useless theory and start a church and be successful with it for 10 straight years? Do that to prove it, and we will come and bow before you and accept your philosophy. Otherwise, shove your useless philosophy we don't need it! Empty cymbals making the loudest noise!

Look at you, you know how to perfectly say someone else isnt using their brains, but when you're reminded that, its sawdust you have for your brains, you're in denial and dont want to accept its true, lol. Why should I go start a church, you think I long to exploit others as a source of regular income ni, lol? Or is it because I am that desperate for a guaranteed meal ticket ni, hmm? Besides all that jagbanjatis sef, please nelsonoba, show me, where in clear and no uncertain terms, anyone is mandated to go start a church, hmm?. Dont you know we are church, we are ekklesia, ni? Ogbeni, nwanne, Chief nelsonoba, for your information, ekklesia is not something you start, ekklesia is a family you belong to

You with your "... do that to prove it" satanic speak, talk like, as its the Devil speaking. Listen my friend, à la 2 Corinthians 2:17, unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God, and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us, lol.

nelsonoba:
If it is easy, then go and pray for a dumb or blind or paralysed person and let us see them healed na! Because you think all the millions of people you see thronging some of these churches don't recognise supernatural phenomena that they see at times in these places? You believe you know what happens in every church including places you've never been to?? Can't you see the level of your sensibility? Do you appear wise to even yourself? And the worst thing is that many of the people like you who try to form "intellectuals" and fight everything Christianity are not even half as educated as some of us that despite everything we still acknowledge God and are humble enough to know there is so much about God we don't know or understand. Can you explain how you managed to keep breathing oxygen while you were asleep and unconscious last night? Can you tell us the exact volume of oxygen you used between 12am to 6am this morning? What do you even know or understand about life? And with all your gross ignorance, you still have the guts to lecture us about who God is or is not?? Please go and park!

The sheeple are still asleep, so I am here to wake them up, because once awake its hard to go back to sheeple sleep, lol, but look at you, you dont WANT the telling it, like it is, and all because, you can’t take it like it is and this why you have to interrupt facts and truth posted on the thread with all this your, not needed ranting and raving. Shior and shame on you.

If you dont like tables being shaken, then please go and park yourself somewhere else on another thread, that will pander to your roped and/or baser instincts, lol.

InvertedHammer:

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Because that's what criminals do. They snitch on one another when caught or fight when the sharing formula is distorted. They are all "unconvicted" criminals nonetheless.

Forget the messenger. Did you get the message?
/

I do...you talk just inspirational just like your Monica. I will like you to write the forward to my upcoming book....

MuttleyLaff:
Look at you, you know how to perfectly say someone else isnt using their brains, but when you're reminded that, its sawdust you have for your brains, you're in denial and dont want to accept its true, lol. Why should I go start a church, you think I long to exploit others as a source of regular income ni, lol? Or is it because I am that desperate for a guaranteed meal ticket ni, hmm? Besides all that jagbanjatis sef, please nelsonoba, show me, where in clear and no uncertain terms, anyone is mandated to go start a church, hmm?. Dont you know we are church, we are ekklesia, ni? Ogbeni, nwanne, Chief nelsonoba, for your information, ekklesia is not something you start, ekklesia is a family you belong to

You with your "... do that to prove it" satanic speak, talk like, as its the Devil speaking. Listen my friend, à la 2 Corinthians 2:17, unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God, and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us, lol.

The sheeple are still asleep, so I am here to wake them up, because once awake its hard to go back to sheeple sleep, lol, but look at you, you dont the telling it, like it is, and all because, you can’t take it like it is and this why you have to interrupt facts and truth posted on the thread with all this your, not needed ranting and raving. Shior and shame on you.

If you dont like tables being shaken, then please go and park yourself somewhere else on another thread, that will pander to your roped and/or baser instincts, lol.

If you were the only kind of 'christian' I ever met growing up, I would never have seen any need to become born again. It is Pharisees and Saducees like you that Jesus looked at and told them "woe unto you brood of vipers"! And the reason is because you don't want to enter the kingdom, and yet you stand at the door to stop those who are genuinely interested from entering in. It is because of reprobate souls like you that Jesus took a whip and flogged nonsense out of some people in the temple.

I plead with you to repent and be genuinely converted before it's too late.

nelsonoba:
If you were the only kind of 'christian' I ever met growing up, I would never have seen any need to become born again. It is Pharisees and Saducees like you that Jesus looked at and told them "woe unto you brood of vipers"! And the reason is because you don't want to enter the kingdom, and yet you stand at the door to stop those who are genuinely interested from entering in. It is because of reprobate souls like you that Jesus took a whip and flogged nonsense out of some people in the temple.

I plead with you to repent and be genuinely converted before it's too late.

Look at you, upandan the post, behaving and talking as a puffed up self-satisfied unpleasant and/or contemptible person that I already suspected you are.

I am more powerful than you can process, so you throw a screaming temper tantrum, when you've ought to have outgrown throwing temper tantrums. Do you know that, at the root of every temper tantrum are unmet needs? Temper tantrums, however fun they may be to throw, rarely solve whatever problem is causing them. Don't be a baby about this. No tantrums. Your temper tantrums are the makeshifts of ignorance. I know it is out of ignorance because I am not the enemy, lol. You obviously dont know.

Salvation nelsonoba, first is individual and personal, that is meaning, you save yourself first, then soon after its about personal relationships, as in meaning vertical and horizontal ones, lol. Never see or look at another person for your excuse to not believe and/or not become a believer.

Also nelsonoba, contrary to your poor judgment and/or thinking, I do not stand at the door to stop those who are genuinely interested from entering in, because I have entered the narrow gate. Not the wide gate and its easy way road that leads to destruction but the narrow gate, that leads to life, and only a few find it. After entering the small narrow gate, I've stepped aside, to allow others coming in, have big enough room to pass through in, lol

The sheeple are not woke but still asleep, so I've been around to wake them up, because once awake its hard to go back to sheeple sleep, lol, but look at you, you dont WANT the telling it, like it is, and all because, you can’t take it like it is and this why you have to interrupt facts and truth posted on the thread with all this your uncontrolled outburst of anger and frustration. Shior and shame on you, IF YOU DONT repent and be genuinely CHANGED before it's too late.

MuttleyLaff:
Look at you, upandan the post, behaving and talking as a puffed up self-satisfied unpleasant and/or contemptible person that I already suspected you are.

I am more powerful than you can process, so you throw a screaming temper tantrum, when you've ought to have outgrown throwing temper tantrums. Do you know that, at the root of every temper tantrum are unmet needs? Temper tantrums, however fun they may be to throw, rarely solve whatever problem is causing them. Don't be a baby about this. No tantrums. Your temper tantrums are the makeshifts of ignorance. I know it is out of ignorance because I am not the enemy, lol. You obviously dont know.

Salvation nelsonoba, first is individual and personal, that is meaning, you save yourself first, then soon after its about personal relationships, as in meaning vertical and horizontal ones, lol. Never see or look at another person for your excuse to not believe and/or not become a believer.

Also nelsonoba, contrary to your poor judgment and/or thinking, I do not stand at the door to stop those who are genuinely interested from entering in, because I have entered the narrow gate. Not the wide gate and its easy way road that leads to destruction but the narrow gate, that leads to life, and only a few find it. After entering the small narrow gate, I've stepped aside, to allow others coming in, have big enough room to pass through in, lol

The sheeple are not woke but still asleep, so I've been around to wake them up, because once awake its hard to go back to sheeple sleep, lol, but look at you, you dont WANT the telling it, like it is, and all because, you can’t take it like it is and this why you have to interrupt facts and truth posted on the thread with all this your uncontrolled outburst of anger and frustration. Shior and shame on you, IF YOU DONT repent and be genuinely CHANGED before it's too late.

With 'Christians' like you around, the devil doesn't need to deploy too many demons around to do his work. The sad thing is that you're working for the devil for free

People like Buhari and Daddy freeze are getting paid at least temporarily for working for the devil to fight the body of Christ, but you offer your services to him for free. You have suddenly turned to motivational preacher on me. Lol! Please oga, open your eyes and see who is pulling the puppet strings that control you. Cos if your eyes open to see him, you won't need me to preach to you to genuinely repent

nelsonoba:
With 'Christians' like you around, the devil doesn't need to deploy too many demons around to do his work. The sad thing is that you're working for the devil for free

People like Buhari and Daddy freeze are getting paid at least temporarily for working for the devil to fight the body of Christ, but you offer your services to him for free. You have suddenly turned to motivational preacher on me. Lol!

Instead of tabling a discussion(s), all you've being doing is making one accusation after another accusation, one slander after another slander and as if like there's no tomorrow, letting out a bandying words spree, smh. Dont you know there really is no time for such erhn?. See now, look at yourself, lunging at my throat, you'll finish me off and then devour me if you're allowed to, lol. Isnt it?, lol. May God give, big chest man like you, cool head, patience and calmness, hmm. Amen.

nelsonoba:
Please oga, open your eyes and see who is pulling the puppet strings that control you. Cos if your eyes open to see him, you won't need me to preach to you to genuinely repent

If Satan is trying to keep both of us busy, by having us swinging our swords at one another, then the hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness is slipping. I have earlier told you that I am not the enemy, lol. You obviously still dont know that, which is why you heated up the conversation and turned an innocent post into a wrangle. It's amazing how a simple and harmless MuttleyLaff comment could set you off and make you cause this such controversy.

nelsonoba:


With 'Christians' like you around, the devil doesn't need to deploy too many demons around to do his work. The sad thing is that you're working for the devil for free

People like Buhari and Daddy freeze are getting paid at least temporarily for working for the devil to fight the body of Christ, but you offer your services to him for free. You have suddenly turned to motivational preacher on me. Lol! Please oga, open your eyes and see who is pulling the puppet strings that control you. Cos if your eyes open to see him, you won't need me to preach to you to genuinely repent

The truth of the matter is that the enemy of the church use the church to fight his fight and the bigger problem is the fact that everyone is right. we have reasons to justify our actions. i still believe we should stand on the word of christ JUDGE NOT , CONDEMN NOT. its not in our place. orthodox vs pentecostal pentecostal vs prophetic . everyone is right. we can't win this fight. if you abuse a man from morning till night it doesn't change him as long as he has a biblical reason for his action. by the way how do i know i am the one who is correct and the other guy is in error?."JUDGE NOT' Our public attacks only strenghtens the position of the enemy .

lets be careful of whistle disloyal blowers. Ahitiophel was a whistle blower against David , Joab was, and even David son ,Absalom. They were right in the eye of those who heard their grudges against king David. Paul also had Demas who left him. I'm sure Demas will have his story against Apostle Paul. people are gullible for evil report against the church. This is enemy strategy . we can't win against one another rather our public figh and attacks turns away the hearts of prospective seeker away from God since all they see us publishing is evil report from churches.

Mark 14:27
. . smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

ARE THERE WRONGS IN THE CHURCH.
There will always be issues in every denomination . No church is exempted .issue ranges from false prophet , false apostles ,false teachers and even False brethren . Mind you the fact that someone makes a mistake doesn’t make him false . But there are individuals that are planted in the body by the enemy to wreck havoc and bring dishonor to the body .

HOW DO WE APPROACH SUCH MATTER

We leave the judgments of such to God . Jesus was clear enough .

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? -- He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We can see from the above scripture that it is God that purges his church . In our bid to do the work of God we bring damage to the body

So what do we do ? We intercede for the body . And we have right to teach against wrong to people under our jurisdiction according to our levels of authority . But God didn’t give us the ministry of condemnation and judgement

Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:12-13
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

petra1:
The truth of the matter is that the enemy of the church use the church to fight his fight and the bigger problem is the fact that everyone is right. we have reasons to justify our actions. i still believe we should stand on the word of christ JUDGE NOT , CONDEMN NOT. its not in our place. orthodox vs pentecostal pentecostal vs prophetic . everyone is right. we can't win this fight. if you abuse a man from morning till night it doesn't change him as long as he has a biblical reason for his action. by the way how do i know i am the one who is correct and the other guy is in error?."JUDGE NOT' Our public attacks only strenghtens the position of the enemy .

lets be careful of whistle disloyal blowers. Ahitiophel was a whistle blower against David , Joab was, and even David son ,Absalom. They were right in the eye of those who heard their grudges against king David. Paul also had Demas who left him. I'm sure Demas will have his story against Apostle Paul. people are gullible for evil report against the church. This is enemy strategy . we can't win against one another rather our public figh and attacks turns away the hearts of prospective seeker away from God since all they see us publishing is evil report from churches.

Mark 14:27
. . smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

ARE THERE WRONGS IN THE CHURCH.
There will always be issues in every denomination . No church is exempted .issue ranges from false prophet , false apostles ,false teachers and even False brethren . Mind you the fact that someone makes a mistake doesn’t make him false . But there are individuals that are planted in the body by the enemy to wreck havoc and bring dishonor to the body .

HOW DO WE APPROACH SUCH MATTER

We leave the judgments of such to God . Jesus was clear enough .

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? -- He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We can see from the above scripture that it is God that purges his church . In our bid to do the work of God we bring damage to the body

So what do we do ? We intercede for the body . And we have right to teach against wrong to people under our jurisdiction according to our levels of authority . But God didn’t give us the ministry of condemnation and judgement

Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:12-13
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

nelsonoba, you'll fare and do well, if you listen to the above voice of reason and wisdom from petra1. Only don't be mistaken that we are not allowed to do and/or make right judgements. Evil flourishes and prevails, when good people stay silent and don't make good, right and correct judgement

MuttleyLaff:
nelsonoba, you'll fare and do well, if you listen to the above voice of reason and wisdom from petra1. Only don't be mistaken that we are not allowed to do and/or make right judgements. Evil flourishes and prevails, when good people stay silent and don't make good, right and correct judgement

Oga MuttleyLaff, Petra1 has said the exact same thing I believe. I believe the body of Christ is not perfect and people will always make mistakes as such. I believe that the fact that the body of Christ is prone to mistake does not mean we should condone and encourage such mistakes to continue. I also believe there is order in the body of Christ (which the bible describes as an army) just as there is order in any military force, and in the military, when officers are, there are procedures to deal with them which we know as a court-martial. You don't just go about as a civilian looking for Colonels and Generals that have broken the law for you to discipline them. If you try it, you will have problem, but if another senior General constitutes a court-martial to deal with the same erring officers, things will be addressed adequately without more problems.

Also, you can't use because of the mistakes and errors of 70% of people who are pastors to now condemn all pastors and be saying all pastors are evil or fraudsters. If you haven't met genuine pastors in your life before, I HAVE MET MANY MYSELF! I have also met fraudulent pastors and to even shock you, I have been defrauded in the past by some people who claimed to be "pastors". So don't think I am saying what I am saying because I haven't seen bad pastors before and I am naive. Now, I know better to not just trust people simply because they claim to be pastors, but because of the character I see in them.......just as Jesus said, "by their fruits, you shall know them".