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No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by IykeWrites: 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2019 |
Unfortunately, many faith communities have created a culture in which there's an unwillingness to question, to engage the mind, to ascertain truth. With them, it’s as though trying to ask questions about God or of the actions of clergy are tantamount to blaspheming. We are expected to take things just as they are, because “the scriptures say so,” or “the Bishop says so.” The little boy whose many questions about God remain unanswered already has a seed of doubt planted in his heart. The man whose request for the accountability of clergy gets shut down now has a sliver of distrust for his pastor- and maybe other ‘men of God’ –festering within him. When these mature, they may lead to a weaker faith or a total loss of faith. People on the outside of faith communities can (and do) see through this phoniness. And they laugh at it. It’s just one more excuse for not practicing the faith that they can cling on to. In a nutshell, this fear of engaging the mind in the practice of the faith has led to the multiplication of heresies; believers having a weakened, loose, incoherent faith; and some abandoning faith or not considering it as an option. But faith is not illogical (regardless of what you've been told). We can, and should seek answers to the questions raised in our hearts and minds. And God is not against this. I've tackled this issue in my latest article for The Late Wire: http://thelatewire.com/2019/11/24/no-faith-is-not-illogical/ |
Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by oaroloye(m): 8:25am On Nov 27, 2019 |
SHALOM! . ROMANS 10:17. 17. So then Faith (cometh) by hearing, and hearing by The Word of God. . 2nd CORINTHIANS 5:7. 7. [For we walk by Faith, not by sight:] . HEBREWS 11:1. NOW Faith is the substance of Things Hoped For, The Evidence of Things Not Seen. . MATTHEW 13:1-23. THE same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2. And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3. And he Spake many things unto them in Parables, Saying, "Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4. "And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5. "Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6. "And when the Sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7. "And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8. "But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9. "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." 10. And the Disciples came, and said unto him, "Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?" 11. He answered and Said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given. 12. "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13. "Therefore Speak I to them in Parables: 'BECAUSE THEY SEEING SEE NOT; AND HEARING THEY HEAR NOT, NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND.' 14. "And in them is fulfilled the Prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR, AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND; AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE, AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE: 15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART IS WAXED GROSS, AND THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING, AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED; LEST AT ANY TIME THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.' 16. "But Blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17. "For verily I Say unto you, 'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE DESIRED TO SEE THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE, AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM; AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR, AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' 18. "Hear ye therefore The Parable of the Sower. 19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM, AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT, THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE, AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART. THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED BY THE WAY SIDE. 20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED INTO STONY PLACES, THE SAME IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD, AND ANON WITH JOY RECEIVETH IT; 21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF, BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE: FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD, BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED. 22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED AMONG THE THORNS IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD; AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD, AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES, CHOKE THE WORD, AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL. 23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED INTO THE GOOD GROUND IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD, AND UNDERSTANDETH IT; WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT, AND BRINGETH FORTH, SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD, SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' " IykeWrites: . MARK 11:11-14, 20-26. 11. And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the Temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the Twelve. 12. And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14. And Jesus answered and Said unto it, "No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever." And his Disciples heard it. 20. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, "Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away." 22. And Jesus answering Saith unto them, "Have Faith in God. 23. "For verily I Say unto you, 'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN, "BE THOU REMOVED, AND BE THOU CAST INTO THE SEA;" AND SHALL NOT DOUBT IN HIS HEART, BUT SHALL BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS WHICH HE SAITH SHALL COME TO PASS; HE SHALL HAVE WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.' 24. "Therefore I Say unto you, 'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE, WHEN YE PRAY, BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE THEM, AND YE SHALL HAVE THEM.' 25. "And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also Which is in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26. "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father Which is in Heaven forgive your trespasses." "FAITH" IS THE BIGGEST LIE IN ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY: IT IS WHAT KEEPS MILLIONS IN BONDAGE. The Greeks of Antioch were the first to translate the Aramaic Scriptures. Their language was probably the most sophisticated in the area and era: its words have extremely precise meanings. Therefore, those translators had the ability to translate according to the intentions of the original authors and speakers, as they had intended. Therefore, there is a world of difference between the term "word" used in MATTHEW 13:19-23, and ROMANS 10:17. There are two words translated "word:" LOGOS: The Recorded Word. RHEMA: The Spoken Word. LOGOS pertains to the SPIRITUAL IMAGE of The Word of God- which can only be perceived in the "heart," the deep core of one's being. RHEMA pertains to the mere LANGUAGE EXPRESSION of the Word of God- which can be spoken with the mouth and written on paper. If what the Pharisee Infiltrator, PAUL, said was true, every person who hears the Word of God has Faith. That is definitely not true. Millions of Christians have died over that distortion. IykeWrites: ALL QUESTIONS ABOUT GOD ARE ANSWERED BETWEEN THE BAR MITZVAH (SON OF THE COMMANDMENT) RITUAL DEDICATION, AT AGE 13 AND COMING-OF-AGE, AT AGE 20. It is only GENTILES who are so stupid as to think that those with such questions are "Adults!" . 2nd PETER 1:5-9. 5. And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your Faith Virtue, and to Virtue Knowledge, 6. And to Knowledge Temperance, and to Temperance Patience, and to Patience Godliness, 7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness, and to Brotherly Kindness Charity. 8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in The Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old Sins. THERE ARE SEVEN SPIRITUAL POWERS HIGHER THAN FAITH. They are not BLIND nor DEPRIVED Powers. If a Believer achieves SIGHT and EVIDENCE, they have gone beyond FAITH, and are on a higher level. There are seven Higher Levels. IT IS OF GREATEST PRIORITY TO ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY THAT ITS ADHERENTS NEVER LEARN THAT THESE LEVELS EXIST- LET ALONE ATTAIN THEM. IykeWrites: JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, THAT DOES NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY ARE COMPLETELY SPIRITUALLY-IGNORANT. When all people know is Oyinbo Bible Theology, they tend to be totally ignorant of anything people know outside of their "SEMETARIES," I mean SEMINARIES. Their System was founded upon literally murdering anyone who knew more than them. . MATTHEW 12:22-37. 22. Then was brought unto him one possessed with a Devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23. And all the people were amazed, and said, "Is not this The Son of David?" 24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out Devils, but by Beelzebub the Prince of the Devils." 25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and Said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26. "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his Kingdom stand? 27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28. "But if I cast out Devils by The Spirit of God, then The Kingdom of God is come unto you. 29. "Or else how can one enter into a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods, except he first bind the Strong Man? And then he will spoil his House. 30. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31. "Wherefore I Say unto you, 'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN: BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN.' 32. "And whosoever speaketh a word against The Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against The Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this World, neither in the World to come. 33. "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. "O generation of Vipers, how can ye, being Evil, speak Good Things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. "A Good man out of the Good Treasure of the heart bringeth forth Good Things: and an Evil man out of the Evil Treasure bringeth forth Evil Things. 36. "But I Say unto you, 'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK, THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “ 37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." THE PHARISEES DID NOT FEAR GOD, THEREFORE, HE COULD NOT SHOW THEM HIS COVENANT. . PSALM 25:14. 14. The Secret of The LORD is with them that fear Him; and He will shew them His Covenant. THEY THEREFORE SURMISED THAT ANYONE WHO KNEW MORE THAN THEM MUST BE "OF THE DEVIL." That the possession of superior Knowledge to them was the proof of that, because if God should educate anyone, He should have Taught them first! IykeWrites: OYINBO ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY USES MENTAL TRICKS AND PERCEPTUAL ILLUSIONS TO BLINDFOLD, DIVERT, AND CONFUSE CHRISTIANS INTO PROGRESSING NO FURTHER THAN "FAITH." They subtly wean the New Convert from the Word of GOD onto THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. There is nothing funny about this. EFFECTIVE FAITH BEGINS IN BLINDNESS AND IGNORANCE, WHICH COMPLETELY VANISHES THE FIRST TIME IT YIELDS A TANGIBLE RESULT. Do you think that BARTIMAEUS continued in FAITH, after Lord Yeshua had Healed him? . MARK 10:46-52. 46. And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his Disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging. 47. And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, "Jesus, thou Son of David, have Mercy on me." 48. And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, "Thou Son of David, have mercy on me." 49. And Jesus stood still, and Commanded him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, "Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee." 50. And he, casting away his garment, rose, and came to Jesus. 51. And Jesus answered and Said unto him, "What wilt thou that I should do unto thee?" The blind man said unto him, "Lord, that I might receive my sight." 52. And Jesus Said unto him, "Go thy way; thy Faith hath made thee whole." And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in The Way. DO YOU THINK THAT BARTIMAEUS PRAYED EVERY DAY AFTER THAT: "O GOD, PLEASE RESTORE MY SIGHT!"? OF COURSE NOT: HE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT! If someone asked him: "CAN YESHUA RESTORE SIGHT?" Would he say: "I THINK so...?" Of course he wouldn't say that, he KNEW that God could open blind eyes. BARTIMAEUS was not the only blind man present. What about the people who were telling him to "SHUT UP!" "STOP MAKING NOISE!"? Why was there not ONE person to say: "HEY! YESHUA CAN HELP THIS GUY!" "MAKE WAY FOR THIS BLIND GUY!" "THIS IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHOM YESHUA CAME TO HELP!" One should seriously wonder what sort of conception of Yeshua those people had, that NOT ONE OF THEM thought they should TRY to bring him to Yeshua. To be sure, it was not that way with many others. It is that way with NAIRALAND FAKE CHRISTIANS. NOT ONE comes to COMMEND me for giving you UNPRECEDENTED INSIGHTS into The Workings of The Kingdom of God. They tell ME to "SHUT UP," and stop "SPAMMING" the Forum with "TOO-LONG SCRIPTURAL PASSAGES WHICH NO ONE WANTS TO READ!" If you don't want to hear Religious Answers, why are you in a Religious Forum? IykeWrites: YOU ARE, OF COURSE, LYING. . JOHN 8:28-36. 28. Then Said Jesus unto them, "When ye have lifted up The Son of Man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath Taught me, I Speak these things. 29. "And He that sent me is with me: The Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him." 30. As he Spake these Words, many believed on him. 31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my Word, then are ye my Disciples indeed; 32. "And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you Free." 33. They answered him, "We be Abraham's Seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, 'YE SHALL BE MADE FREE?' " 34. Jesus answered them, "Verily, verily, I Say unto you, WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN IS THE SERVANT OF SIN. 35. 'AND THE SERVANT ABIDETH NOT IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER: BUT THE SON ABIDETH EVER.' 36. "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." IF YOU BELONGED TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT TRULY WORSHIPPED GOD, AND SERVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD KNOW THE TRUTH THAT MAKES FREE- WHICH IS THE SEVEN LEVELS OF WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING, AND KNOWLEDGE THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO FAITH. That you still fumble and bumble in FAITH, HOPE, BELIEF, and SPECULATION proves that you still don't know anything significant. IykeWrites: YOU "TALK A LOT, BUT SAY NOTHING." While others claiming to be Christians sit around with nothing to say. . LUKE 12:1-12. IN the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to Say unto his Disciples first of all, "Beware ye of the Leaven of the Pharisees, which is Hypocrisy. 2. "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3. "Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in Darkness shall be heard in the Light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. 4. "And I Say unto you my Friends, 'BE NOT AFRAID OF THEM THAT KILL THE BODY, AND AFTER THAT HAVE NO MORE THAT THEY CAN DO.' 5. "But I will forewarn you Whom ye shall fear: 'FEAR HIM, WHICH AFTER HE HATH KILLED HATH POWER TO CAST INTO HELL;' yea, I Say unto you, 'FEAR HIM.' " 6. "Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? 7. "But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. 8. "Also I Say unto you, 'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN, HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD: 9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME BEFORE MEN SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD.' 10. "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against The Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. 11. "And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: 12. "For The Holy Ghost shall Teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say." AS STEPHEN KING PUT IT: YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF YOUR FATHER! Your Eternal Destiny depends upon understanding THIS correctly!
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Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by OpenYourEyes1: 8:57am On Nov 27, 2019 |
Questions must be asked in truth and fear of GOD. Blasphemy will always be blasphemy especially if it's intentional. In my opinion, church(real church) problems should be tackled/judged in the church rather than taken to the court of unbelievers. Unbeliever don't understand justice, so you will likely not get real justice from them. If a church don't give you real justice, know that is not a good church. This is when you may seek justice outside of church. Still, the unbelievers courts will likely not give real justice unless GOD uses them to give you justice. Because GOD will always give justice to those who are obedient to HIM |
Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by oaroloye(m): 7:25am On Nov 29, 2019 |
SHALOM! OpenYourEyes1: I AM NEVER GRATUITOUSLY OFFENSIVE, BUT IF I OFFEND, IT IS BECAUSE I AM ALERTING TO IMPORTANT LAPSES OF AWARENESS AND DUTY. What you are doing here is trying to REASON your way into Righteousness; you are creeping and crawling where you should be jumping and flying. You do not apply the KOSHER/TREIF LAW to all of your life. SCIENTOLOGY is based on one fundamental Principle above all else: ALWAYS BEGIN AT THE BEGINNING. Don't begin at the END. Don't begin at the MIDDLE. Christianity does not begin with ROMAN CATHOLICISM, nor any other species of ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY. Christianity does not begin with the so-called "APOSTLES." CHRISTIANITY BEGINS WITH LORD YESHUA. CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT BEGIN WITH THE REASONINGS AND EXCUSES OF LORD YESHUA'S DISCIPLES. Christianity begins with The Teachings of Lord Yeshua. |
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