codedguy1:


Is penalty not part of the game?

What if we count the one/s he missed

Obere4u:


Shebi you all were subtracting hazard penalty for. His goals when discussing hazard form? Let's keep up that energy. Penalty goal is awoof goal QED

elampiro:


In our cup match against Chelsea, Lindelof was removed for Martial when we went down 0-1. Ole has done this a few times, sometimes it didnt work. Again, vs Shefield United, it was more of a formation change.

It is not the first time we have changed formation or sacrificed a defender for a forward player. We had 5 defenders starting playing 3-4-2-1.

I think you are rigid to your beliefs about what is wrong with United. Try to reason wide

odizeey:

Bro, we beat Leicester but I think they possess better players than us. There was a time you would compare mane and martial and nobody will see it as anything. But if you try it now then fit slap you.
Maybe it's the coaching improving them o, I don't know. But a player is judged by current form. And if Rodgers continues for decades, improving those guys and making them perform better than ours then they are better than ours.
As it stands now, those guys would have higher numbers than us if FA decides to do a top 50.

Na two legs everybody get. Nobody get three leg. No permanent best. Na current best.

patrickmuf:
I can't remember.

The question is simple, do you think we'd have fared better if Greenwood started in place of Jones?

And when you say it was a formation change, what formation were we playing when Martial, Rashford, James, Lingard and Greenwood were all on the pitch?

What is your take on Williams goal, should he have joined the attack in that instance or stayed back expecting the strikers to score?

Melvyn11:

Keep this same energy when talking about your fraud of a legend Lampard .

Melvyn11:

Keep this same energy when talking about your fraud of a legend Lampard.

Swissh:

Cc Thorrvik55 Bikeman

Obere4u:


[s] Shebi we have been keeping the same energy..
Still keep it when we discuss your legends also.

Take out Lamps pen goal and mention your midfielders that outscored him [/s]

Swissh:

Cc Thorrvik55 Bikeman

Melvyn11:

Look for someone else who rates midfielders by goals.

Melvyn11:

Average player who gets over hyped because of awoof penalties and deflections.

BikeMan:
Sebi that one is just like you, type type without sense

patrickmuf:
Some people are funny sha. In their combined 11 of Leicester and United players, they have Pereira over Wan-Bissaka the big question is why? The same people who say Wan-Bissaka's is doing great with us and his primary responsibility is defending are picking Pereira over him because Pereira is very good going forward...I dey laugh.

My combined 11...

....................... .De Gea..............
Pereira....Lindelof.....Maguire.......Chiwell
.................... .......Ndidi...........................
....... ...Maddison............Pogba.......
...... James......... Vardy......... Martial........

On the bench...
Kasper, Wan-Bissaka, Soyuncu, Shaw, McSauce, Tielemans, Rashford, Greenwood.

In the starting 11, we have 6 players against 5 for them. You might argue why I choose Lindelof over Evans but the truth is with Ndidi in midfield, any CB will look good.

In midfield, you might even choose to play McTominay/Tielemans over Maddison since Pogba is starting.

eph12:

Why exactly is Martial on your team?

elampiro:
The major problem I see in Man United team is very simple. They cannot breakdown a tightly packed defence. . You need good dribblers who can dribble really good and fast to do that.

When that is not working, you should have good forward players scoring from outside the box with accurate shots (bullets) on target. Also good headers to nod in from set plays and crosses. Simple.

Oasis007:
McKenna and Carrick will stay in Manchester and work with the first team players who aren't travelling to Kazakhstan to prepare for Sunday's match against Aston Villa.

Head of first team development Nicky Butt will travel with the MUFC squad to Kazakhstan. Solskjær is preparing to select a young squad to face Astana.

- Sky


Cc Leyqute

Obere4u:


What do you rate strikers with penalty goal?

But but you all are rating Hazard based on goals na

codedguy1:


This argument started with some of us believing that our team/players are better than they are performing and sighted how we played against Sheffield united and why or how come Leicester is above us despite us supposedly having better players.

Sighting one off incidences to counter that claim just doesn't cut it. Being a better team than your opponent is something to be proven over time. It doesn't mean you cant lose an odd game here and there. It happens. Barca and Roma will have to play a number of times to be able to conclude who is better. by your submission you feel Barca is a better team but lost to Roma.

Teams are judged on current form and in a league if a team is above you they are better on current form. At the end of the league your standing tells you where you are. Simple.

If Roma and barca were in the same league and barca lost to Roma but finish above them then barca will be adjudged the better team because they would have met twice and met other teams on the table.

KingTom:

By my submission, I point to the all important yet ignored fact, that the Gaffer alias Manager alias coach alias oga kpatakpata plays a crucial role on the development and performance of the players, via tactics. Thank you sir, I rest my case

elampiro:


Try to stay on one line of argument? You are getting yourself confused and widening the argument for no reason?

You asked when Ole went out for all attacking and I gave you an instance of Chelsea's match. I know too I have seen others, but I cannot keep record. I am a very busy man.

Greenwood starting the game might even have been worse. When SAF started Chicharito, he went on ghost mode on the pitch 80% of the matches (except may be playing against sluggish Chelsea defenders at the time). But when a game is hard and Chicha is brought in as an xtra man in the dying minutes when everyone is tired, his speed and swiftness became a huge advantage.

On Willian, you are still getting it wrong. Defenders and goalkeepers can sometimes attack and score but it is not their primary responsibilities.

eph12:

Why exactly is Martial on your team?

codedguy1:


Oga before you rest your case. Nobody has ignored the role the gaffer plays in making sure the team performs.

Ole's selection, formation, tactics and substitution has been discussed here.

Some are of the opinion he needs more time and some want his head like now now.

I am of the opinion that even if Ole is given time he would still come short of my expectations as to where we want to be as a club. I could be wrong though. Unfortunately sacking him now will be a dicey thing to do.

What's your opinion about Ole's performance so far vis a vis united having a better squad than Leicester?

Oasis007:
[b]McKenna and Carrick will stay in Manchester and work with the first team players who aren't travelling to Kazakhstan to prepare for Sunday's match against Aston Villa.

Head of first team development Nicky Butt will travel with the MUFC squad to Kazakhstan. Solskjær is preparing to select a young squad to face Astana.

- Sky

izzou:
If Granada finishes on top of Barcelona this season, Granada was obviously better than them this season. The table is the proof

When Leicester carried the league, will you say Man U, Man City, or Liverpool were better than them that season?

Let's stop typing with emotions. If this season ends with Leicester being on top of United, it means they were better

If you beat me when we meet, and lose your remaining games, and I win mine but lose to you, how does that make you better?

Currently(emphasis on the word), Leicester is better than Man Utd, and Sheffield is better than Spurs.

patrickmuf:
We are talking about the quality of the respective teams in a bid to understand the role of a coach in the performance of a team.

Let me ask you, before Rodgers joined Leicester last season, if given an opportunity assuming you're a coach, which club will you join knowing too well the quality of their respective squads, Leicester City or Manchester United?

You can replace Leicester with Sheffield United and Manchester United with Spurs and answer the same question...