This era of NBA players are nothing but “soft”.. As if all the rule changes to accommodate them are not enough, now we are going to have a 78 game season??The funny thing is teams would continue to rest players because of load management and tank.

A40:
No. No. No.No

Being a high pick doesn't vault you into MVP conversation. DeAndre Ayton, Markelle Fultz, Jaylen Brown, Darko Milicic, Lonzo Ball are all lottery picks. Kwame Brown, Olowokandi and Anthony Bennett are also lottery picks.

A lot of factors come into play into becoming a high draft pick including the quality of the draft class. And the evaluation ability of these teams. You don't crown a player with MVP potential without bouncing a ball, unless they have shown clear transcendent talent

Of course it doesnt vault you into that but let me put it this way. If any high lottery pick ends up becoming an MVP caliber player what would be peoples reaction? "He lived up to his potential". No ones ever going to be shocked because a high lottery pick wins MVP. Every high pick from every draft has a high ceiling. Now why would it be a surprise if a number 1 pick reaches those heights when hes picked based on having the highest potential of them all? Now does that mean they all reach that level? Nope! I'm saying it won't be surprising if they did.

If you have placed someone on a pedestal or made an initial assumption that someone will continue to be superior to infinity, you may never look at this objectively. Davis may be a singular talent- but he definitely has not done much with respect to making any of his teams better while leading. You may ascribe this to the injuries he had along the time, but the fact remains. Fortunately for you he is second fiddle now, he doesnt have to worry about the pressure of leading. When someone says he cannot lead this Bucks team the same way Giannis is, it's not a knock on his talent, just an indication that he is not a good leader or at least his track record doesnt show that adequately. Simple.

steady986:

Baba, na wah for you o.

You want to compare this Bucks team to the team AD had? At one point Norris Cole was their point guard. Google that name and see where he plays now.

benji93:
If you have placed someone on a pedestal or made an initial assumption that someone will continue to be superior to infinity, you may never look at this objectively. Davis may be a singular talent- but he definitely has not done much with respect to making any of his teams better while leading. You may ascribe this to the injuries he had along the time, but the fact remains. Fortunately for you he is second fiddle now, he doesnt have to worry about the pressure of leading. When someone says he cannot lead this Bucks team the same way Giannis is, it's not a knock on his talent, just an indication that he is not a good leader or at least his track record doesnt show that adequately. Simple.

But how are you sure AD would be unable to lead this Bucks team? No matter how good a leader you are, if your team is trash then there's little you can do. Take a look at Carmelo Anthony for instance. Why do you think he made the playoffs every year with the Nuggets but suddenly couldn't take the Knicks to the playoffs more than twice?

And sometimes it depends on the coach too. When he was in NO, AD wasn't the guy that brought the ball up the court and ran plays, at least not every time. He always had mediocre point guards, until he had Rondo and of course made the playoffs that year. But knowing that AD is as good a ball handler as Giannis is, he could be tasked with the same responsibility as Giannis under this coach. AD does basically everything Giannis does, and more. Remember AD was initially a point guard at highschool before he grew taller.

Roland17:
This era of NBA players are nothing but “soft”.. As if all the rule changes to accommodate them are not enough, now we are going to have a 78 game season??The funny thing is teams would continue to rest players because of load management and tank.

78 games is still too much to be honest. 58 is appropriate, you play each team twice.

Hey guys, check out this funny skit of Stephen A Smith and Terrell Owens.

T.O tells Stephen A that Max kellerman is Blacker than him, lmao.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mALItlyacME

steady986:

But how are you sure AD would be unable to lead this Bucks team? No matter how good a leader you are, if your team is trash then there's little you can do. Take a look at Carmelo Anthony for instance. Why do you think he made the playoffs every year with the Nuggets but suddenly couldn't take the Knicks to the playoffs more than twice?


And sometimes it depends on the coach too. When he was in NO, AD wasn't the guy that brought the ball up the court and ran plays, at least not every time. He always had mediocre point guards, until he had Rondo and of course made the playoffs that year. But knowing that AD is as good a ball handler as Giannis is, he could be tasked with the same responsibility as Giannis under this coach. AD does basically everything Giannis does, and more. Remember AD was initially a point guard at highschool before he grew taller.

I swear you had me in the first half.

benji93:
If you have placed someone on a pedestal or made an initial assumption that someone will continue to be superior to infinity, you may never look at this objectively. Davis may be a singular talent- but he definitely has not done much with respect to making any of his teams better while leading. You may ascribe this to the injuries he had along the time, but the fact remains. Fortunately for you he is second fiddle now, he doesnt have to worry about the pressure of leading. When someone says he cannot lead this Bucks team the same way Giannis is, it's not a knock on his talent, just an indication that he is not a good leader or at least his track record doesnt show that adequately. Simple.

It's not hard to tell really. Maybe he is better suited as second fiddle

I am sorry, I maintain my stand. Davis has never won above 50 games in any season, even when he was healthy and had a lot of help. In the 2017/2018 season when he had more than enough help- in fact I could argue that he had a co-star in Holiday who kept the opposing team's star guard( Lilliard) at 18.5 points while averaging 23.7 points, even scoring 41 in the final game. That was as important, if not more than any other factor in the sweep. In the 2016/2017 season where he had Holiday and Cousins for 18 games they lost more than half of their games. In the 2017/2018 he started 42 of the first 48 games with Holiday and Cousins, and they barely won half of their games. These may not be full season sample sizes, but they are good ones. If he was good enough a leader his team should have done better in those stretches. And don't give me the argument that Cousins and David didn't fit together, cos if he had half the leadership qualities u guys assume he could have been able to make it work. And don't bring the high school argument here. Who cares if he was a football(soccer) player or even a quarterback? . We are talking about his Nba career, you are talking about high school.

steady986:

But how are you sure AD would be unable to lead this Bucks team? No matter how good a leader you are, if your team is trash then there's little you can do. Take a look at Carmelo Anthony for instance. Why do you think he made the playoffs every year with the Nuggets but suddenly couldn't take the Knicks to the playoffs more than twice?

And sometimes it depends on the coach too. When he was in NO, AD wasn't the guy that brought the ball up the court and ran plays, at least not every time. He always had mediocre point guards, until he had Rondo and of course made the playoffs that year. But knowing that AD is as good a ball handler as Giannis is, he could be tasked with the same responsibility as Giannis under this coach. AD does basically everything Giannis does, and more. Remember AD was initially a point guard at highschool before he grew taller.

benji93:
I am sorry, I maintain my stand. Davis has never won above 50 games in any season, even when he was healthy and had a lot of help. In the 2017/2018 season when he had more than enough help- in fact I could argue that he had a co-star in Holiday who kept the opposing team's star guard( Lilliard) at 18.5 points while averaging 23.7 points, even scoring 41 in the final game. That was as important, if not more than any other factor in the sweep. In the 2016/2017 season where he had Holiday and Cousins for 18 games they lost more than half of their games. In the 2017/2018 he started 42 of the first 48 games with Holiday and Cousins, and they barely won half of their games. These may not be full season sample sizes, but they are good ones. If he was good enough a leader his team should have done better in those stretches. And don't give me the argument that Cousins and David didn't fit together, cos if he had half the leadership qualities u guys assume he could have been able to make it work. And don't bring the high school argument here. Who cares if he was a football(soccer) player or even a quarterback? . We are talking about his Nba career, you are talking about high school.

The pelicans were basically out of playoff contention in 2017 and they threw in boogie there out of nowhere and you expect them to just start winning?

In the 2017-18 season only two teams won 50 games in the west, the rockets and the warriors, the third place blazers who they swept won 49 games and the 4th seed through to 6 (the pelicans) won 48 games. He played 75 games BTW averaging 28 and 11 and finished third in MVP voting. Was first team all nba and first team all defense. He doesnt deserve credit for sweeping the blazers because he isnt allowed to have a teammate? when has someone ever done it on his own? AD BTW in that game 4 you speak of had a franchise record 47 points, 33 of which came in the second half. The only game they stole from the warriors the next round he had 33 18 and 4 steals. That was the only good team AD ever had, the only full season you can judge him by and his team wasnt even complete, they finished in the same position they were in before boogie went down mainly due to AD putting up monster numbers when many predicted they wouldnt make the playoffs without cousins. You can't tell me AD wouldnt have wouldnt have gone at least as far as your Giannis in the East if not further. I know for a fact the raptors couldnt have done what they did to giannis to him. Heck put him on last years bucks and they make the finals and with the warriors getting ravaged by injury (karma) who knows?

Who exactly is leading the celtics right now? The fact remains a good team is a good team. This whole narrative you lot are trying to peddle because he joined the lakers is disgraceful and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

benji93:
If you have placed someone on a pedestal or made an initial assumption that someone will continue to be superior to infinity, you may never look at this objectively. Davis may be a singular talent- but he definitely has not done much with respect to making any of his teams better while leading. You may ascribe this to the injuries he had along the time, but the fact remains. Fortunately for you he is second fiddle now, he doesnt have to worry about the pressure of leading. When someone says he cannot lead this Bucks team the same way Giannis is, it's not a knock on his talent, just an indication that he is not a good leader or at least his track record doesnt show that adequately. Simple.

Baba, I am tired of reading this narrative that AD did not make his team better or that he is not a leader!! I think it has to be the most ridiculous argument to make against AD especially if you have followed his career since his Kentucky days. Since his college days he has been a leader, a strong one at that who was and has never been shy of the big stage. This kid led Kentucky to the NCAA championship in 2012 averaging 15 PPG, 11 Rebounds and 4.6 Blocks during the tournament and on the road to the title, yet he is not a leader? Come on man, somethings are better not said at this point.

I was going to type a lot more but I thought the attached comment would save me the stress. Read the attached comment and tell me how AD did not make his team mates or the Pelicans better or how he is not a leader by what he achieved during that playoff run. This kid led the Pelicans to its first playoff win since 2011 when they swept the Trailblazers in the deadly western conference. He freaking played with E. Moore, Rondo, Holiday, Mirotic and don’t even get me started on the bench players. The bench had C. Diablo, S. Hill and other bums who are no longer in the league. Even when twin tower was formed with D. Cousins, AD still held his own. He achieved this in same western conference that is responsible for some of the changes we are going to be experiencing soon in the NBA because of the disparity in competition when compared to the East. Yet he is not leader?

Read without bias please and tell me how the achievements highlighted in the attached post considering the circumstances does not show leadership or making his team better. You can make numerous arguments against AD in comparison to Giannis but please not the leadership or making team mates or teams better argument. You can bring numbers and all the other stuff but not leadership or inability to improve his team.

I have been very hard on AD on this thread and it is on record that I was tough on him when he told the Pelicans that he would not be returning while the season was going on but that does not stop me from making objective arguments about him. Make other arguments but this leadership and not making his team or team mates better is dead on arrival.

Well I guess I ended up writing more than I intended to.

Roland17:


Baba, I am tired of reading this narrative that AD did not make his team better or that he is not a leader!! I think it has to be the most ridiculous argument to make against AD especially if you have followed his career since his Kentucky days. Since his college days he has been a leader, a strong one at that who was and has never been shy of the big stage. This kid led Kentucky to the NCAA championship in 2012 averaging 15 PPG, 11 Rebounds and 4.6 Blocks during the tournament and on the road to the title, yet he is not a leader? Come on man, somethings are better not said at this point.

I was going to type a lot more but I thought the attached comment would save me the stress. Read the attached comment and tell me how AD did not make his team mates or the Pelicans better or how he is not a leader by what he achieved during that playoff run. This kid led the Pelicans to its first playoff win since 2011 when they swept the Trailblazers in the deadly western conference. He freaking played with E. Moore, Rondo, Holiday, Mirotic and don’t even get me started on the bench players. The bench had C. Diablo, S. Hill and other bums who are no longer in the league. Even when twin tower was formed with D. Cousins, AD still held his own. He achieved this in same western conference that is responsible for some of the changes we are going to be experiencing soon in the NBA because of the disparity in competition when compared to the East. Yet he is not leader?

Read without bias please and tell me how the achievements highlighted in the attached post considering the circumstances does not show leadership or making his team better. You can make numerous arguments against AD in comparison to Giannis but please not the leadership or making team mates or teams better argument. You can bring numbers and all the other stuff but not leadership or inability to improve his team.

I have been very hard on AD on this thread and it is on record that I was tough on him when he told the Pelicans that he would not be returning while the season was going on but that does not stop me from making objective arguments about him. Make other arguments but this leadership and not making his team or team mates better is dead on arrival.

Well I guess I ended up writing more than I intended to.

Roland and I are best friends now. Until the finals that is.

İ sincerely respect your opinion, but you better not quote that guy when you wanna present an argument to me. İ take most of his opinions with a pinch of salt. And i beg to differ, that's not in anyway ridiculous. . You may want to read his post again. He literally stated that Davis swept the Trailblazers. İn which planet did that happen ? İ repeat again, if Holiday had not kept lillard at bay, the complexion of that series would definitely have been different. At least you used 'they'. We are not talking about if AD produced the numbers while he played with Cousins(held his own), i was talking about how much games he was able to win in the post that came after the post you mentioned. İ have not in anyway slighted him with respect to his talents. This is the NBA where leading is on a different dimension and all the more complex, not college where your talent alone can put you over the top. İn the other post i clearly mentioned the number of games he played with Holiday and Cousins in the 2017/2018 season in which case they only managed to win half. İ maintain my stand, you can keep yours as well.

Roland17:


Baba, I am tired of reading this narrative that AD did not make his team better or that he is not a leader!! I think it has to be the most ridiculous argument to make against AD especially if you have followed his career since his Kentucky days. Since his college days he has been a leader, a strong one at that who was and has never been shy of the big stage. This kid led Kentucky to the NCAA championship in 2012 averaging 15 PPG, 11 Rebounds and 4.6 Blocks during the tournament and on the road to the title, yet he is not a leader? Come on man, somethings are better not said at this point.

I was going to type a lot more but I thought the attached comment would save me the stress. Read the attached comment and tell me how AD did not make his team mates or the Pelicans better or how he is not a leader by what he achieved during that playoff run. This kid led the Pelicans to its first playoff win since 2011 when they swept the Trailblazers in the deadly western conference. He freaking played with E. Moore, Rondo, Holiday, Mirotic and don’t even get me started on the bench players. The bench had C. Diablo, S. Hill and other bums who are no longer in the league. Even when twin tower was formed with D. Cousins, AD still held his own. He achieved this in same western conference that is responsible for some of the changes we are going to be experiencing soon in the NBA because of the disparity in competition when compared to the East. Yet he is not leader?

Read without bias please and tell me how the achievements highlighted in the attached post considering the circumstances does not show leadership or making his team better. You can make numerous arguments against AD in comparison to Giannis but please not the leadership or making team mates or teams better argument. You can bring numbers and all the other stuff but not leadership or inability to improve his team.

I have been very hard on AD on this thread and it is on record that I was tough on him when he told the Pelicans that he would not be returning while the season was going on but that does not stop me from making objective arguments about him. Make other arguments but this leadership and not making his team or team mates better is dead on arrival.

Well I guess I ended up writing more than I intended to.

benji93:
İ sincerely respect your opinion, but you better not quote that guy when you wanna present an argument to me. İ take most of his opinions with a pinch of salt. And i beg to differ, that's not in anyway ridiculous. . You may want to read his post again. He literally stated that Davis swept the Trailblazers. İn which planet did that happen ? İ repeat again, if Holiday had not kept lillard at bay, the complexion of that series would definitely have been different. At least you used 'they'. We are not talking about if AD produced the numbers while he played with Cousins(held his own), i was talking about how much games he was able to win in the post that came after the post you mentioned. İ have not in anyway slighted him with respect to his talents. This is the NBA where leading is on a different dimension and all the more complex, not college where your talent alone can put you over the top. İn the other post i clearly mentioned the number of games he played with Holiday and Cousins in the 2017/2018 season in which case they only managed to win half. İ maintain my stand, you can keep yours as well.

If magic didnt have kareem and vice versa, if jordan didn't have pippen, if bron didnt have wade/kyrie, where would they be? So AD isn't allowed to have a sidekick? He got to the western semis and lost to the warriors through no fault of his own, i dont understand this obsession with 50 wins you have if he came through in the post season and demolished a higher seeded team. I don't know what exactly you want from this man yomi. Just stop with the senseless hate.

I find that a lot of people have baseless opinions and grasp at any possible straw even when faced with facts to justify their beliefs.

AD would lead the Bucks to the Finals? Wetin man no go read for Obasanjo's internet

As a Bron fan and by association a Lakers fan i should be happy people are calling AD a beta or underrated. I guess that works in our favor in the long run.

A40:
AD would lead the Bucks to the Finals? Wetin man no go read for Obasanjo's internet

The pelicans team that lost to the warriors would have a great chance against the Raptors. Again, replace Giannis with AD in the bucks last year and there'd probably be a parade in Milwaukee, not Toronto.

KarnBarlow:


Of course it doesnt vault you into that but let me put it this way. If any high lottery pick ends up becoming an MVP caliber player what would be peoples reaction? "He lived up to his potential". No ones ever going to be shocked because a high lottery pick wins MVP. Every high pick from every draft has a high ceiling. Now why would it be a surprise if a number 1 pick reaches those heights when hes picked based on having the highest potential of them all? Now does that mean they all reach that level? Nope! I'm saying it won't be surprising if they did.

A lot of things go into a player ending up as a high lottery pick. And being a high lottery pick does not make you a shoo-in to become an MVP.

If Jaylen Brown becomes an MVP caliber player tomorrow it doesn't mean it will not be a surprise.

If Mitchell Trubisky a #2 pick ends up becoming an MVP people would still be surprised because the typical draft is littered with people that end up getting picked higher than they should have.

Marvin Bagley was last season's number 2 pick, DeAndre Ayton was the 1 pick. I'm sure the average fan would be surprised if they wind up MVP caliber players. It is not an exact science

KarnBarlow:


The pelicans team that lost to the warriors would have a great chance against the Raptors. Again, replace Giannis with AD in the bucks last year and there'd probably be a parade in Milwaukee, not Toronto.

This is fake news. You literally cannot even prove this so die this narrative.

AD ran to LA for a reason. If he wanted that smoke he wouldn't run to a team with a top 2, top 3 guy in the league

AD is more naturally gifted than Giannis but he can't carry the load Giannis is carrying in Milwaukee. Simple concept that should not be too hard to grasp

A40:
A lot of things go into a player ending up as a high lottery pick. And being a high lottery pick does not make you a shoo-in to become an MVP.

If Jaylen Brown becomes an MVP caliber player tomorrow it doesn't mean it will not be a surprise.

If Mitchell Trubisky a #2 pick ends up becoming an MVP people would still be surprised because the typical draft is littered with people that end up getting picked higher than they should have.

Marvin Bagley was last season's number 2 pick, DeAndre Ayton was the 1 pick. I'm sure the average fan would be surprised if they wind up MVP caliber players. It is not an exact science

Didnt say that being a high lottery pick makes you an inevitable MVP. Players are selected in the draft based on potential with the highest potential player obviously going on to be the first draft pick. Mind you, the number pick 1 is adjudged to have the highest potential of all new NBA players in a year. The overwhelming majority of MVP winners were lottery picks.

Obviously these players you mentioned winning MVP would be a surprise given how their career has played out so far but thats not the case going into the league. You can claim that maybe at this point in his career it'd be a surprise for simmons to win MVP but not coming into the league.

A40:
This is fake news. You literally cannot even prove this so die this narrative.

AD ran to LA for a reason. If he wanted that smoke he wouldn't run to a team with a top 2, top 3 guy in the league

Same reason LeBron ran to south beach. He made the finals in year 4, and only missed the playoffs his rookie and sophomore season. Ultimately if you want to win you need a team. We've seen superstars move to other teams to become the best player on that team all the time, KD went to the warriors however weak his move was but you can't say its because KD is more suited to a second banana.

A40:
AD is more naturally gifted than Giannis but he can't carry the load Giannis is carrying in Milwaukee. Simple concept that should not be too hard to grasp

What does this mean?

KarnBarlow:


What does this mean?

He has led his team in all stats except blocks this year. There was a year he led his team in every statistical category for the season. AD cannot shoulder the load Giannis is shouldering in Milwaukee. This is not up for debate

KarnBarlow:


Same reason LeBron ran to south beach. He made the finals in year 4, and only missed the playoffs his rookie and sophomore season. Ultimately if you want to win you need a team. We've seen superstars move to other teams to become the best player on that team all the time, KD went to the warriors however weak his move was but you can't say its because KD is more suited to a second banana.

Who is the second banana between LeNomad and AD? At least we know KD was not the second banana, they begged him to come and come NBA Finals he showed he was the first banana. Let's see if AD can follow suit

A40:
He has led his team in all stats except blocks this year. There was a year he led his team in every statistical category for the season. AD cannot shoulder the load Giannis is shouldering in Milwaukee. This is not up for debate

And over his last few years, the only statistical category AD didn't lead the pelicans in was assists. He did his time. I think theres a comment he made after he joined the lakers about not remembering a time he was playing so badly and his team was still winning.

A40:
Who is the second banana between LeNomad and AD? At least we know KD was not the second banana, they begged him to come and come NBA Finals he showed he was the first banana. Let's see if AD can follow suit

You know this same criticism about being second fiddle was leveled at Bron when he joined the heat. Remember when he went back to cleveland and they were calling him Scottie Pippen as in the robin to wades batman?

KarnBarlow:


And over his last few years, the only statistical category AD didn't lead the pelicans in was assists. He did his time. I think theres a comment he made after he joined the lakers about not remembering a time he was playing so badly and his team was still winning.

Good. So that means he is not carrying the load of facilitating like Giannis can. Which proves my point

It's not everything that needs argument.

KarnBarlow:


You know this same criticism about being second fiddle was leveled at Bron when he joined the heat. Remember when he went back to cleveland and they were calling him Scottie Pippen as in the robin to wades batman?

Of course he was a back to back MVP adjudged as the best player in the league joining a less talented but more accomplished teammate (at least on an NBA finals level) he was bound to be criticized

A40:
Of course he was a back to back MVP adjudged as the best player in the league joining a less talented but more accomplished teammate (at least on an NBA finals level) he was bound to be criticized

And its hard to find the dichotomy between where AD is now and where Bron was then. Same age too.

A whole lot of Kyrie slander going around.