The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

LordReed, you won't find the answer to that question, because you try to define things with logic or clear thinking.

There are so many things in life that proves that we exist in a world of the supernatural. Until and unless you open your mind to these possibilities, you will continue to live in doubt.

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

peggywebbs:
LordReed, you won't find the answer to that question, because you try to define things with logic or clear thinking.

There are so many things in life that proves that we exist in a world of the supernatural. Until and unless you open your mind to these possibilities, you will continue to live in doubt.

So Jesus was not in the grave for 3days and 3nights?

LordReed:


So Jesus was not in the grave for 3days and 3nights?

Quoting this site is low for me but they do have a to say about it. Let me know what you make of it, my Lord.

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

which prophesy?

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

Yes it was. Was the Lord Jesus in the Grave for a literal 72 hours, not one second more or less? No. But the Bible did not say that He would be. It only said that He would be in the Grave for three days and three nights. That was counted differently in that culture than it is today. Even today, we are hardly so hard and fast about these things. Today we say, "I spent the whole day there just waiting to see him," and fully expect the person we're talking to to understand that we were not counting the seconds to make sure that it was exactly 24 hours.

The point of the three days and three nights was to emphasize that the Lord Jesus's Body would not "see corruption," that is, it would not decay. Decay was culturally accounted back then to begin from the fourth day (see John 11:39). The Lord was to be in the grave long enough for it to be clear that He was truly dead, but not so long that His Body, which was sinless, would begin to decay. Again, this is a cultural thing, since, with our scientific obsession with precision today, we sometimes consider a body to begin to decay right from the moment of death. But if we were to be absolute, then decay starts even while we are alive whenever cells die and are not replaced in our bodies.

In the time that the Lord lived, a day was counted if a part of it was experienced, so although the Lord rose from the dead early in the morning of the third day, the fact that He was still in the tomb by the third day made it a complete three days for Him to be dead.

Sometimes, the Scriptures do use "precision counting" to make a point. For example, in Revelation 11:9, the two witnesses are said to be dead for three days and a half. This is deliberate because it is a symbol for the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation that follow their death. Otherwise, day counts in the Bible followed the culture of the day.

Ihedinobi3:

Yes it was. Was the Lord Jesus in the Grave for a literal 72 hours, not one second more or less? No. But the Bible did not say that He would be. It only said that He would be in the Grave for three days and three nights. That was counted differently in that culture than it is today. Even today, though, we are hardly so hard and fast about these things. Today we say, "I spent the whole day there just waiting to see him," and fully expect the person we're talking to to understand that we were not counting the seconds to make sure that it was exactly 24 hours.

The point of the three days and three nights was to emphasize that the Lord Jesus's Body would not "see corruption," that is, it would not decay. Decay was culturally accounted back then to begin from the fourth day (see John 11:39). The Lord was to be in the grave long enough for it to be clear that He was truly dead, but not so long that His Body, which was sinless, would begin to decay. Again, this is a cultural thing, since, with our scientific obsession with precision today, we sometimes consider a body to begin to decay right from the moment of death. But if we were to be absolute, then decay starts even while we are alive whenever cells die and are not replaced in our bodies.

In the time that the Lord lived, a day was counted if a part of it was experienced, so although the Lord rose from the dead early in the morning of the third day, the fact that He was still in the tomb by the third day made it a complete three days for Him to be dead.

Sometimes, the Scriptures do use "precision counting" sometimes to make a point. For example, in Revelation 11:9, the two witnesses are said to be dead for three days and a half. This is deliberate because it is a symbol for the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation that follow their death. Otherwise, day counts in the Bible follow the culture of the day.

Brilliant

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

Yes, Jonah's story, Psalm 16, Isaiah 53 etc. Although some are out of context. e.g, Jonah's story didn't fit at all. Jonah was in the belly of the fish because he wanted to run away. Jesus was dead 3 days because he wanted to save the world. Also, psalm 16 was one of David's rant, they just shook jesus there, lol.

sonmvayina:


which prophesy?

Presumably Matthew 12:40, when Jesus says: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Ihedinobi3:

Yes it was. Was the Lord Jesus in the Grave for a literal 72 hours, not one second more or less? No. But the Bible did not say that He would be. It only said that He would be in the Grave for three days and three nights. That was counted differently in that culture than it is today. Even today, though, we are hardly so hard and fast about these things. Today we say, "I spent the whole day there just waiting to see him," and fully expect the person we're talking to to understand that we were not counting the seconds to make sure that it was exactly 24 hours.

The point of the three days and three nights was to emphasize that the Lord Jesus's Body would not "see corruption," that is, it would not decay. Decay was culturally accounted back then to begin from the fourth day (see John 11:39). The Lord was to be in the grave long enough for it to be clear that He was truly dead, but not so long that His Body, which was sinless, would begin to decay. Again, this is a cultural thing, since, with our scientific obsession with precision today, we sometimes consider a body to begin to decay right from the moment of death. But if we were to be absolute, then decay starts even while we are alive whenever cells die and are not replaced in our bodies.

In the time that the Lord lived, a day was counted if a part of it was experienced, so although the Lord rose from the dead early in the morning of the third day, the fact that He was still in the tomb by the third day made it a complete three days for Him to be dead.

Sometimes, the Scriptures do use "precision counting" sometimes to make a point. For example, in Revelation 11:9, the two witnesses are said to be dead for three days and a half. This is deliberate because it is a symbol for the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation that follow their death. Otherwise, day counts in the Bible follow the culture of the day.

This is a good point, but I want to expand on it a bit. Now, as noted, the argument is that the "three days and three nights" is in error, as a Friday burial and Sunday resurrection doesn't meet the criteria of three full days and three full nights. There are two ways to explain this. The first is your argument, which is that time was counted differently. Indeed, the Jews counted part of a day as the full day. See, for example, the Jerusalem Talmud 9.3, available here, which also asserts that "a day and a night" counts as one span. Thus, Friday would count as a "day and a night" as it was part of a day, as would Sunday, to the people at the time. Thus, three days and three nights, even if our modern timecounting would not see it as such.

One objection is that it shows some disagreed on this point. For example, the above quoted Talmud shows Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Eleazer asserting that part of a span counts as a span, and that a "day and a night" constitute a span. However, it notes that Rabbi Aqiba "does not treat part of a span as the whole of it" and counts as day and night as two separate spans But the fact some disagrees isn't relevant here. The point is that at least a good number of Jews believed that "A day and a night constitute a span, and part of a span is equivalent to the whole of it." Therefore Friday burial, and Sunday resurrection counts Friday and Sunday as a "day and a night" even if it is not a full 24 hours, giving us "three days and three nights."

An alternate explanation is to simply reject the traditional Friday/Saturday/Sunday timeline and to assert that the burial occurred on Wednesday.

RandomGuy48:

Presumably Matthew 12:40, when Jesus says: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Is that a prophesy?.. Was jesus a prophet...
The Messiah the prophets spoke about was coming to rule as king, he will be anointed like David, Solomon.. He was not coming to die for sins, and definitely not a demi God... Christianity is just paganism repackaged...

RandomGuy48:

This is a good point, but I want to expand on it a bit. Now, as noted, the argument is that the "three days and three nights" is in error, as a Friday burial and Sunday resurrection doesn't meet the criteria of three full days and three full nights. There are two ways to explain this. The first is your argument, which is that time was counted differently. Indeed, the Jews counted part of a day as the full day. See, for example, the Jerusalem Talmud 9.3, available here, which also asserts that "a day and a night" counts as one span. Thus, Friday would count as a "day and a night" as it was part of a day, as would Sunday, to the people at the time. Thus, three days and three nights, even if our modern timecounting would not see it as such.

One objection is that it shows some disagreed on this point. For example, the above quoted Talmud shows Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Eleazer asserting that part of a span counts as a span, and that a "day and a night" constitute a span. However, it notes that Rabbi Aqiba "does not treat part of a span as the whole of it" and counts as day and night as two separate spans But the fact some disagrees isn't relevant here. The point is that at least a good number of Jews believed that "A day and a night constitute a span, and part of a span is equivalent to the whole of it." Therefore Friday burial, and Sunday resurrection counts Friday and Sunday as a "day and a night" even if it is not a full 24 hours, giving us "three days and three nights."

An alternate explanation is to simply reject the traditional Friday/Saturday/Sunday timeline and to assert that the burial occurred on Wednesday.

Ok so it was not literal or the account in the bible is not accurate?

TVSA:
Yes, Jonah's story, Psalm 16, Isaiah 53 etc. Although some are out of context. e.g, Jonah's story didn't fit at all. Jonah was in the belly of the fish because he wanted to run away. Jesus was dead 3 days because he wanted to save the world. Also, psalm 16 was one of David's rant, they just shook jesus there, lol.

He does go on lol. He'd be sectioned today.

RandomGuy48:

This is a good point, but I want to expand on it a bit. Now, as noted, the argument is that the "three days and three nights" is in error, as a Friday burial and Sunday resurrection doesn't meet the criteria of three full days and three full nights. There are two ways to explain this. The first is your argument, which is that time was counted differently. Indeed, the Jews counted part of a day as the full day. See, for example, the Jerusalem Talmud 9.3, available here, which also asserts that "a day and a night" counts as one span. Thus, Friday would count as a "day and a night" as it was part of a day, as would Sunday, to the people at the time. Thus, three days and three nights, even if our modern timecounting would not see it as such.

One objection is that it shows some disagreed on this point. For example, the above quoted Talmud shows Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Eleazer asserting that part of a span counts as a span, and that a "day and a night" constitute a span. However, it notes that Rabbi Aqiba "does not treat part of a span as the whole of it" and counts as day and night as two separate spans But the fact some disagrees isn't relevant here. The point is that at least a good number of Jews believed that "A day and a night constitute a span, and part of a span is equivalent to the whole of it." Therefore Friday burial, and Sunday resurrection counts Friday and Sunday as a "day and a night" even if it is not a full 24 hours, giving us "three days and three nights."

An alternate explanation is to simply reject the traditional Friday/Saturday/Sunday timeline and to assert that the burial occurred on Wednesday.

There are people today who insist that the Earth is flat, just as there are people who insist that the Holocaust never happened. The same way, the Chinese count their year differently than the rest of us. At any given time in history, there is no perfect uniformity in what is believed by people. But this does not mean that there is no "accepted" or "normal" way to reckon things.

So, for example, although the Chinese have a different New Year from the rest of us, even they know when January is and what day the rest of the world regards as New Year's Day. In the same vein, while there may have been differing opinions regarding how days should be counted (and if there wasn't, we may not ever have come to counting days differently today than the ancient world did), what matters is that everyone who heard the Lord's Prophecy would have understood what He meant because of the norm of the time.

He was there physically as it's written.

Ihedinobi3:

Yes it was. Was the Lord Jesus in the Grave for a literal 72 hours, not one second more or less? No. But the Bible did not say that He would be. It only said that He would be in the Grave for three days and three nights. That was counted differently in that culture than it is today. Even today, we are hardly so hard and fast about these things. Today we say, "I spent the whole day there just waiting to see him," and fully expect the person we're talking to to understand that we were not counting the seconds to make sure that it was exactly 24 hours.

The point of the three days and three nights was to emphasize that the Lord Jesus's Body would not "see corruption," that is, it would not decay. Decay was culturally accounted back then to begin from the fourth day (see John 11:39). The Lord was to be in the grave long enough for it to be clear that He was truly dead, but not so long that His Body, which was sinless, would begin to decay. Again, this is a cultural thing, since, with our scientific obsession with precision today, we sometimes consider a body to begin to decay right from the moment of death. But if we were to be absolute, then decay starts even while we are alive whenever cells die and are not replaced in our bodies.

In the time that the Lord lived, a day was counted if a part of it was experienced, so although the Lord rose from the dead early in the morning of the third day, the fact that He was still in the tomb by the third day made it a complete three days for Him to be dead.

Sometimes, the Scriptures do use "precision counting" to make a point. For example, in Revelation 11:9, the two witnesses are said to be dead for three days and a half. This is deliberate because it is a symbol for the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation that follow their death. Otherwise, day counts in the Bible followed the culture of the day.

OK . And if you believe that, I have some swamp land in Arkansas that Disney is going to buy up real soon. If you send me $6000 dollars right now, you can become a Junior spaceman and own a piece of this valuable land. In just 3 years your $60000 dollars will quadruple. That is an iron clad, swear to God, promise.

We have no records of a magical working prophet contemporary to the life of this Jesus person. NONE. We do have records of about 8 other prophets during the same time period; however, regarding the guy that allegedly cause earthquakes, a darkness to fall over the earth, the blind to see, the lame to walk, the dead to rise from their graves, history is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY silent. If Jesus lived, not a single soul noticed him or had anything at all to say about him during his life. No one noticed his ride into the city on the back of an ass, no one noticed the great sermon on the mount, not a single soul watched him walk on water or feed the multitude with loaves and fishes. All we have are stories written by non-observers, generations after the fact. There is no eye witness to anything Jesus allegedly did. NONE.

Lastly and most importantly, we have no reputable account of a resurrection. What we have are 3 contradictory stories that were written more than 70 to 120 years after the supposed event. What we have is Paul's version that never mentions miracles, virgin birth, or ministry on earth. We have Paul who admits that everything he knows comes from scripture or divine inspiration and he only knows about a Jesus who exists in the heavens. From Paul's version to the gospels, each story gains in complexity. Each new author adds to the collection of myths. This continues to happen even today.

Are we talking about three days as in the length of the six creationist type days? Or are we talking about three regular ol' 24 hour type days? And it wasn't a grave, by the way. It was a tomb. Shucks, for all we know, Mr, Haysoos could have been hanging out with his crew playing poker and just chillin' for those three days. That is assuming, of course, he ever existed in the first place.

XxSabrinaxX:

OK . And if you believe that, I have some swamp land in Arkansas that Disney is going to buy up real soon. If you send me $6000 dollars right now, you can become a Junior spaceman and own a piece of this valuable land. In just 3 years your $60000 dollars will quadruple. That is an iron clad, swear to God, promise.

We have no records of a magical working prophet contemporary to the life of this Jesus person. NONE. We do have records of about 8 other prophets during the same time period; however, regarding the guy that allegedly cause earthquakes, a darkness to fall over the earth, the blind to see, the lame to walk, the dead to rise from their graves, history is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY silent. If Jesus lived, not a single soul noticed him or had anything at all to say about him during his life. No one noticed his ride into the city on the back of an ass, no one noticed the great sermon on the mount, not a single soul watched him walk on water or feed the multitude with loaves and fishes. All we have are stories written by non-observers, generations after the fact. There is no eye witness to anything Jesus allegedly did. NONE.

Lastly and most importantly, we have no reputable account of a resurrection. What we have are 3 contradictory stories that were written more than 70 to 120 years after the supposed event. What we have is Paul's version that never mentions miracles, virgin birth, or ministry on earth. We have Paul who admits that everything he knows comes from scripture or divine inspiration and he only knows about a Jesus who exists in the heavens. From Paul's version to the gospels, each story gains in complexity. Each new author adds to the collection of myths. This continues to happen even today.

Right. If you can believe that, then you must believe that there's a giant ball of gases hanging on nothing out in space that wakes you up every morning. For the paltry sum of 250K USD, Virgin Galactic can give you a close-up view of it too. I promise it will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience for you. You won't regret it!

We have absolutely no evidence that there is a ball of fiery gases hanging out in space around which the earth revolves. There are painted discs and shiny dots and sparkles fixed on the solid dome of the sky that rotates around the fixed plane of the earth. But there is absolutely no evidence of any giant balls out in space.

Finally, there is no such thing as space travel. There is just a massive conspiracy to deceive Africans into thinking that they are an inferior race incapable of building technology that can go to space. Not a single soul witnessed any human landing on the moon. Not a single human being has ever reached the Great Dome of the sky. All the stories you've heard were made up by Hollywood sci-fi screen writers and novelists who never even saw a rocket in their lives. All the "news videos" were made in a top-secret underground studio in Hollywood. Each "news" article and video contradicts the one before it. There isn't a single eyewitness, just more and more complex stories that contradict each other with no shred of proof that there are giant balls of fiery gases in space.

That's exactly the same as your argument above.

budaatum:

Quoting this site is low for me but they do have a to say about it. Let me know what you make of it, my Lord.

So it seems the consensus answer is it was not literal.

LordReed:


So it seems the consensus answer is it was not literal.

It was as literal as when someone today says that they spent two days on the road when they probably spent something more or less than 48 hours actually on the road.

Ihedinobi3:

Right. If you can believe that, then you must believe that there's a giant ball of gases hanging on nothing out in space that wakes you up every morning. For the paltry sum of 250K USD, Virgin Galactic can give you a close-up view of it too. I promise it will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience for you. You won't regret it!

We have absolutely no evidence that there is a ball of fiery gases hanging out in space around which the earth revolves. There are painted discs and shiny dots and sparkles fixed on the solid dome of the sky that rotates around the fixed plane of the earth. But there is absolutely no evidence of any giant balls out in space.

Finally, there is no such thing as space travel. There is just a massive conspiracy to deceive Africans into thinking that they are an inferior race incapable of building technology that can go to space. Not a single soul witnessed any human landing on the moon. Not a single human being has ever reached the Great Dome of the sky. All the stories you've heard were made up by Hollywood sci-fi screen writers and novelists who never even saw a rocket in their lives. All the "news videos" were made in a top-secret underground studio in Hollywood. Each "news" article and video contradicts the one before it. There isn't a single eyewitness, just more and more complex stories that contradict each other with no shred of proof that there are giant balls of fiery gases in space.

That's exactly the same as your argument above.

Yet, I give you a billion stars in the night sky as well as our own sun. All of it observable, measurable, predictable, and easily validated by every sense known to man. Please demonstrate the same for your god.

XxSabrinaxX:

Yet, I give you a billion stars in the night sky as well as our own sun. All of it observable, measurable, predictable, and easily validated by every sense known to man. Please demonstrate the same for your god.

LOL. You mean a billion sparkles and dots and a yellow disc on the dome, don't you? Of course it is all observable, measurable, predictable, and easily validated by every sense known to man. That's why I told you that there are no such things as giant balls of fiery gases or even rocks hanging on nothing out in space.

Please demonstrate the same for your giant balls of gases and rocks and your outer space.

Where are the bones of Jesus?

XxSabrinaxX:

Yet, I give you a billion stars in the night sky as well as our own sun. All of it observable, measurable, predictable, and easily validated by every sense known to man. Please demonstrate the same for your god.

Are you still arguing with "erudite" scholars who think the genitals are evidence of design and there is no evidence for the sun?

Horus:
Where are the bones of Jesus?

Probably in sambisa forest.. But one thing I know is not happening again is a second crucification..

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

Hi LordReed, it's been a minute since I contributed to religious discussions here but please allow me to share what I have studied on this. The topic of the death & resurrection is of great interest to me.

First of all, the answer to your question is an emphatic YES, the prophesy of three mornings(daylight) and three evenings(night) was fulfilled LITERALLY.

By the old Jewish system of days & nights, a new day began at sunset (6pm) instead of midnight (12am) as we observe presently.
Jesus the Christ died on a wednesday between the hours of 12noon and 3pm (Matt 27:45-56).

How can we be sure it was a Wednesday?
Because of this passage:
John 19:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Sabbath being referred to here does not speak of the regular Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but rather the high day of the passover (as emphasized by John in his use of parenthesis to explain) also called a Sabbath. This "high day" was held on Thursdays.

Between 3pm and 6pm of Wednesday is the period where Joseph of Arimathea besought Pilate to release the body of Jesus to him for burial (Matthew 27:57-61). All of this could very well have taken approximately 3hours and by the time Jesus was laid in the tomb, it was already a little bit past 6pm of Wednesday.

Now if we start counting from 6pm on Wednesday (remember a new day starts at 6pm), then:
6pm Wednesday - 6pm Thursday = Day 1
6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday = Day 2
6pm Friday - 6pm Saturday = Day 3
Every day of the above is complete with 24hours of evening and morning (Note that the old testament bible records a full day by referring to it as evening and morning, never as morning and evening; another proof that a new day starts at 6pm).

The particular time and hour that Jesus arose can not be ascertained because no one witnessed it. The soldiers who kept watch outside the tomb only witnessed the earthquake and the angel rolling back the stone covering of the tomb which happened to grant Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of James, access into the sepulchre (this happened very early on Sunday morning).

John 20:1 calls it the first day of the week (Sunday) and he wrote that it was still dark (probably about 5am).
Mathew 28:1 says it in much the same way calling it the end of the Sabbath (Saturday) as it began to dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday).

As at the time these two women got there, he had already risen some time after sunset on Saturday evening without the knowledge of the soldiers outside who stood guard. As far as they were concerned, the body of Jesus was still in the tomb by the time the two Marys got there at about 5am on Sunday morning.

LordReed:


So it seems the consensus answer is it was not literal.

Not literal at all, or as non-literal as when "someone today says that they spent two days on the road when they probably spent something more or less than 48 hours actually on the road". They could have spent a day or four, and be exaggerating or lying.

In fact, the entire narative could be an exaggeration. You'd only have problems though if your aim is to believe it as opposed to extracting meaningful lessons from the narratives of the life and death of Jesus.

XxSabrinaxX:

OK . And if you believe that, I have some swamp land in Arkansas that Disney is going to buy up real soon. If you send me $6000 dollars right now, you can become a Junior spaceman and own a piece of this valuable land. In just 3 years your $60000 dollars will quadruple. That is an iron clad, swear to God, promise.

We have no records of a magical working prophet contemporary to the life of this Jesus person. NONE. We do have records of about 8 other prophets during the same time period; however, regarding the guy that allegedly cause earthquakes, a darkness to fall over the earth, the blind to see, the lame to walk, the dead to rise from their graves, history is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY silent. If Jesus lived, not a single soul noticed him or had anything at all to say about him during his life. No one noticed his ride into the city on the back of an ass, no one noticed the great sermon on the mount, not a single soul watched him walk on water or feed the multitude with loaves and fishes. All we have are stories written by non-observers, generations after the fact. There is no eye witness to anything Jesus allegedly did. NONE.

Lastly and most importantly, we have no reputable account of a resurrection. What we have are 3 contradictory stories that were written more than 70 to 120 years after the supposed event. What we have is Paul's version that never mentions miracles, virgin birth, or ministry on earth. We have Paul who admits that everything he knows comes from scripture or divine inspiration and he only knows about a Jesus who exists in the heavens. From Paul's version to the gospels, each story gains in complexity. Each new author adds to the collection of myths. This continues to happen even today.

just brilliant...sometimes it baffles me why theist do not feel intimidated intellectually .... religiosity (most especially the major ones ) and stupidity leans towards each other .
You can easily feed a dumb person with lies,if the same scenario face an intelligent person you will see a skeptic .
I am not saying an intelligent person cannot be lied to but it is very rare for a truly intelligent person.

Honesty I feel there's no decency in believing in God if you can think rationally and logically on other things... Why suppress that part of your brain that is responsible for thinking rationally and logically when it comes to God,how can you not think it that what you're hanging on are suspect and you hang too much on what ifs ...
Its a different story if you've seen a verified supernatural activity happening for once since you've been on earth,all you hang on are scenarios that you have no mental strength to analyse ... Shame shame shame.

Ihedinobi3:

LOL. You mean a billion sparkles and dots and a yellow disc on the dome, don't you? Of course it is all observable, measurable, predictable, and easily validated by every sense known to man. That's why I told you that there are no such things as giant balls of fiery gases or even rocks hanging on nothing out in space.

Please demonstrate the same for your giant balls of gases and rocks and your outer space.

You see the dots? That's more than we see of your god. The demonstration is your admission.

Besides, If it's a painted disc, how come I can use a magnifying glass to burn things? I'll tell you what, Ihedinobi3, take a good long look at the painted disc through a pair of binoculars at midday, it can't hurt you after all

Martinez39:
Are you still arguing with "erudite" scholars who think the genitals are evidence of design and there is no evidence for the sun?

LOL. I'm just bored .

Aspiringstudent:
just brilliant...sometimes it baffles me why theist do not feel intimidated intellectually .... religiosity (most especially the major ones ) and stupidity leans towards each other .
You can easily feed a dumb person with lies,if the same scenario face an intelligent person you will see a skeptic .
I am not saying an intelligent person cannot be lied to but it is very rare for a truly intelligent person.

Honesty I feel there's no decency in believing in God if you can think rationally and logically on other things... Why suppress that part of your brain that is responsible for thinking rationally and logically when it comes to God,how can you not think it that what you're hanging on are suspect and you hang too much on what ifs ...
Its a different story if you've seen a verified supernatural activity happening for once since you've been on earth,all you hang on are scenarios that you have no mental strength to analyse ... Shame shame shame.

It has always been a laugh for me, Aspiringstudent, whenever the alleged entombment of the Jesus figure is brought up. I guess the important thing is that he was allegedly resurrected by the "holy Spirit" and became god in his own right (along with the other two)

There are ONLY the gospel accounts of Jesus crucifixion and subsequent resurrection. All written many years after the alleged events and none by an eye witness.

The contradictions of the alleged events by the gospel copyists point to a fiction, not an attempt to honestly record actual events as is common throughout the gospels. Each gospel was "The" gospel and was aimed at a different audience and had different emphasis , and, indeed glaring contradictions and redactions to suit the intended audience.
Pauls maintains that his jesus was a spiritual (not physical resurrection) and he subsequently follows this figure in his visions and dreams.

The contradictions are so great that it is a canard to assert (as many theists do) that the discrepancies are due to eye witness confusion . Count the impossibilities of that little apologetic below.

I have copied some of the glaring contradictions as they are easily found without me laboriously cross referencing my many texts. Citation below.

Jesus' First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb

Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas

Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen

Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway

Cline, Austin. "Jesus: Contradictions in Resurrection and Ascension." Learn Religions, Jun. 25, 2019, learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145.

missjo:

Hi LordReed, it's been a minute since I contributed to religious discussions here but please allow me to share what I have studied on this. The topic of the death & resurrection is of great interest to me.

First of all, the answer to your question is an emphatic YES, the prophesy of three mornings(daylight) and three evenings(night) was fulfilled LITERALLY.

By the old Jewish system of days & nights, a new day began at sunset (6pm) instead of midnight (12am) as we observe presently.
Jesus the Christ died on a wednesday between the hours of 12noon and 3pm (Matt 27:45-56).

How can we be sure it was a Wednesday?
Because of this passage:
John 19:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Sabbath being referred to here does not speak of the regular Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but rather the high day of the passover (as emphasized by John in his use of parenthesis to explain) also called a Sabbath. This "high day" was held on Thursdays.

Between 3pm and 6pm of Wednesday is the period where Joseph of Arimathea besought Pilate to release the body of Jesus to him for burial (Matthew 27:57-61). All of this could very well have taken approximately 3hours and by the time Jesus was laid in the tomb, it was already a little bit past 6pm of Wednesday.

Now if we start counting from 6pm on Wednesday (remember a new day starts at 6pm), then:
6pm Wednesday - 6pm Thursday = Day 1
6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday = Day 2
6pm Friday - 6pm Saturday = Day 3
Every day of the above is complete with 24hours of evening and morning (Note that the old testament bible records a full day by referring to it as evening and morning, never as morning and evening; another proof that a new day starts at 6pm).

The particular time and hour that Jesus arose can not be ascertained because no one witnessed it. The soldiers who kept watch outside the tomb only witnessed the earthquake and the angel rolling back the stone covering of the tomb which happened to grant Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of James, access into the sepulchre (this happened very early on Sunday morning).

John 20:1 calls it the first day of the week (Sunday) and he wrote that it was still dark (probably about 5am).
Mathew 28:1 says it in much the same way calling it the end of the Sabbath (Saturday) as it began to dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday).

As at the time these two women got there, he had already risen some time after sunset on Saturday evening without the knowledge of the soldiers outside who stood guard. As far as they were concerned, the body of Jesus was still in the tomb by the time the two Marys got there at about 5am on Sunday morning.

According to your timeline the women who were to dress his body did not go to the grave for 3 days - Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Why does the text not say so? The text gives the almost unquestionable idea that they only had one day, Saturday, of separation.