safarigirl:



I have told you what I can do for you. If you cannot wait till December, that is your problem. I do not carry around a dossier of my family's achievements.

I cannot recall the year of graduation, is it now the school and course I will remember? Or you expect me to start calling my father by this time to ask all this information?

When I get home, I will even open full Wikipedia page and post all the information. It is human beings that record things after all.

Remind me next month.

U are the great granddaughter of an icon like Mazi Ikoku yet u just boldly spilled that bolded trash?


Can the granddaughter of Awolowo say such about the family?


U are an Ikoku yet the last time u went to Arochukwu was as far back as 2002?

Same safari wey too like academic records now feigning ignorance of the one under her nose? u are an ikoku and ur Grannie the first female graduate from the east, indeed

iSlayer:




I will slap this little girl o. Lol. See this one playing sophistry with me. Don't try to be cheeky. The Igbo culture has now upgraded such that Female offspring can now acquire property. Kponkwem! Who cares if it's 2 imbeciles that made it reality. Lwkmd for here. I said something about chasing shadows, can you see it now. No problem. That will be all. Do as you deem fit thanks. Oh and learn more.

You will slap me for exposing your lack of knowledge and ignorance? Is that what strong, black men do? Do you find pride in such utterances?

I have told you how the female inheritance was abolished. You may not care, but at least, one woman changed a culture that was against women and many more will rise to do more for a maligned group in society.

A WOMAN did it. Put that down in your history books

Please, I want you all to know that I am in no way supportive of men that don't assist their wives in housework when the situation calls for it. And I am in no way implying that marriage shouldn't be a teamwork between man and wife. All I am saying is that some women need to learn to be humble and respectful. It will solve many of their problems in marriage without need for Shiloh 2020.

Hmm! Saka is a very good player though this is not the first time seeing him play. He will be a very good addition to the team.

Tiago Ilori played CB for Sporting Lisbon today and from what I saw, he will be a very good addition to the team. I wonder why NFF or Rohr never tried to approach him until now.

I saw a little bit of Adekanye in first half for Lazio though I didn't know he was the one until I saw he assisted on Livescore.

Blueelf:


Ezekwesili once gave a talk about how she still cooks for her husband till date. I marvelled at that. A former World Bank Chief Official. Some Naija ladies that are just head mistresses of schools or assistant managers of banks see themselves as tin Gods

Gbam. I didn't speak out of ignorance when I made that statement and you understood it fully because your example here is perfect.


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ChrisKels:


U are the great granddaughter of an icon like Mazi Ikoku yet u just boldly spilled that bolded trash?


Can the granddaughter of Awolowo say such about the family?


U are an Ikoku yet the last time u went to Arochukwu was as far back as 2002?

Same safari wey too like academic records now feigning ignorance of the one under her nose? u are an ikoku and ur Grannie the first female graduate from the east, indeed

Remind me in December Chriskels, all these things are unnecessary and petty.

You don't know my family history or why I have not been to Arochukwu and the details of it are not your concern and certainly not for internet consumption. I will respond to you in December.

charlesemeka85:
chriskel abeg no forget to remind her next month

I no get that kind time. person wey no sabi the history of her supposed family and she is always here talking about history. Not just ur usual family but dat of an icon like Ikoku?

Please while we exchange Ideas about feminism and African marriages, lets try to keep the discussions civil even when in banter

cc iSlayer (this is a senstive issue, abeg stop the physical threats )

ChrisKels:


Inconsistency has always been Eze's bane. Same thing happened last season. How could u guys av forgotten so soon? This is deja vu bro. Yes I want him in Bkus i see him as a good prospect but I am cautious

My tot too, let's see how the season unfold sha

ChrisKels:


I no get that kind time. person wey no sabi the history of her supposed family and she is always here talking about history. Not just ur usual family but dat of an icon like Ikoku?

I will take a picture Chriskels.

My father looks like his grandfather, thankfully. If you don't remind me, I willremember, since you have called to question, my claims.

Blueelf:
Please while we exchange Ideas about feminism and African marriages, lets try to keep the discussions civil even when in banter

cc iSlayer (this is a senstive issue, abeg stop the physical threats )

as a man thinketh, so is he.

iSlayer:




I will slap this little girl o. Lol. See this one playing sophistry with me. Don't try to be cheeky. The Igbo culture has now upgraded such that Female offspring can now acquire property. Kponkwem! Who cares if it's 2 imbeciles that made it reality. Lwkmd for here. I said something about chasing shadows, can you see it now. No problem. That will be all. Do as you deem fit thanks. Oh and learn more.

Them dey tell you something, you no wan hear. Igbo culture no upgrade anything. It was as a result of certain case make them lock up for that side. Na to slap small gyal dey hungry you.
There was a case which made FP relating to this issue and I can remember how the Igbo guy reacted. They weren't happy. I don't this this was up to 3 years ago

charlesemeka85:
chriskel abeg no forget to remind her next month

BTW, talking about a faceless forum, u once told us u were an Italo born yet ur creche, nursery, primary, sec school and uni were in Imo State, please how did u manage to pull that off bro?

Humility been ask u Dis question the day u were advising someone to run away from Nigeria, but u dodge am

neither did i imply that i am in support of men maltreating their wives and turning them to slaves all in the name of marriage

all i am advocating for is that it's unafrican for a wife to compete or rub shoulders with her husband as the head of the house. in igbo culture and tradition for instance the duties and responsibility of husbands and wives are shared naturally (highly rooted in igbo custom and tradition) which is imbibed in them from their various homes right from the young stage of their lives till they grow to maturity to leave apart from their parents and fend for themselves.

a good wife showcases the adequate home training taught to her by her parents especially the mom why a good husband have been molded the way he is right from what he learnt from home especially from the father.

i will never support the maltreatment of women in the name of marriage and wont find it funny with any of my inlaw who treats my sisters or daughters that way.

and also who told you that women do not get a share of their father's properties? its a thing of choice and no caring father will not apportion any property to his daughters if he s spoilt with the riches to do so.

safarigirl:


I don't know what you are implying with this talk.

I never stated that women should not cook for their husbands, I never stated that women should not respect their husbands. I have not said anything to merit this sort of derisive statement from you.

Go through everything I have said, and the only thing I have advocated for is respect and team work in a marriage. Ezekwesili cooks for her husband, do you know what he does for her? When she makes all those trips in the line of her work, who is at home holding the forte? Or does she send food from abroad for the man?

safarigirl:


You will slap me for exposing your lack of knowledge and ignorance? Is that what strong, black men do? Do you find pride in such utterances?

I have told you how the female inheritance was abolished. You may not care, but at least, one woman changed a culture that was against women and many more will rise to do more for a maligned group in society.

A WOMAN did it. Put that down in your history books

I'm playing with you and you're vibrating like I pass my neighbor. Cheap points or what?!


The law is now in place and even my aunts got huge inheritances to their names just last December. I'm totally for it and it's a forward move. So the point you wanted to use to drive your women subjugation argument is Dead On Arrival and you're only chasing shadows some more.

And it doesn't matter if a woman did it, she didn't do it for women she did it for the Igbo race. Understand that and you'll live happier.

Blueelf:
Although this is a football thread, I must admit that I have learnt a lot about culture and feminism from the respectful (a bit) exchanges between monickers here. Keep up the good work.

I still don't subscribe to the idea of calling unmarried females in their late 20's or early 30's evening newspaper. Its a negative word. A lot of factors could be responsible for late marriages. It could be sickness, late education or even personal choice and not necessarily because the said person wasn't a suitable husband or wife.

However, I must also add that the bad attitude of some females may be responsible for their late marriages. Some are very uncouth and bad-mannered. They may also have a fantastical idea of the kind of suitor they want (tall, well chiselled abs, very rich and handsome like adonis). Very few African men meet these criteria. Also, it doesn't matter how beautiful you are or how many degrees or cars you have, a disrespectful AFRICAN lady will lack good suitors. You attract people of similar behaviours to you.


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Safarigirl

islayer

Joebie

My brother you couldn't have said it better. This is my Christmas present from Blueelf, I'm so emotional right now.

anu mpama , my parents relocated to 9ja after their education in rome in early nineties. hope you are okay now?

ChrisKels:


BTW, talking about a faceless forum, u once told us u were an Italo born yet ur sec school and uni were in Imo State, please how did u manage to pull that out bro?

Humility been ask u Dis question the day u were advising someone to run away from Nigeria, but u dodge am

na every question dem dey answer?

ChrisKels:


BTW, talking about a faceless forum, u once told us u were an Italo born yet ur creche, nursery, primary, sec school and uni were in Imo State, please how did u manage to pull that off bro?

Humility been ask u Dis question the day u were advising someone to run away from Nigeria, but u dodge am

charlesemeka85:
neither did i imply that i am in support of men maltreating their wives and turning them to slaves all in the name of marriage

all i am advocating for is that it's unafrican for a wife to compete or rub shoulders with her husband as the man of the house. in igbo culture for instance the duties and responsibility of husbands and wives are shared naturally(highly rooted in igbo custom and tradition) which is imbibed in them from their various homes right from the young stage of their lives till they grow to maturity to leave apart from their parents and fend for themselves.

a good wife showcases the adequate home training taught to her by her parents especially the mom why a good husband have been molded the way he is right from what he learnt from home especially from the father.

i will never support the maltreatment of women in the name of marriage and wont find it funny with any of my inlaw who treats my sisters or daughter that way.

and also who told you that women do not get a share of their father's properties? its a thing of choice and no caring father will not apportion any property to his daughter if he s spoiled with the riches to do so.

Who said anything about rubbing shoulders with anyone? You have misconstrued my stand on shared responsibilities at home to mean rubbing shoulders with a man.

I am not foolish, I know that genders will never really be equal, but some people seem to not realise that today's realities do not align with what obtained thirty years ago and we cannot be as our fathers, just like our fathers could never be like theirs.

Today's realities have women doing things that women traditionally don't do. Ask our grandparents and you will find that in the past, women mostly stayed home and cared for kids, they had their own time. Today, women have to go to work just like men do, they have to bring in money like men do.

African Feminism is only asking men to contribute to building homes beyond bringing money, since women do that too. Be present in your child's life, help around the house. If your wife is paying bills with you, try and assist her in the home too. Nobody is saying that roles should be reversed and women should go to work while men cook and clean.

I find that a lot of people do not have a firm grasp on what African feminism should be about and that is why there is so much aversion to it. I would recommend certain literature to help you guys grasp this concept, but I have been told that men do not like to read prose.

iSlayer:




My brother you couldn't have said it better. This is my Christmas present from Blueelf, I'm so emotional right now.

You're welcome

charlesemeka85:
anu mpama , my parents relocated to 9ja after their education in rome in early nineties. hope you are okay now?

Lol Dis guy, u no dey vex?

No mind me nwoke Oru. How fa the Italo okpeke wey I say make u coordinate send ur brother for Enugu here nah? Na so u stingy reach? Na chop alone, die alone oo

Blueelf:
Although this is a football thread, I must admit that I have learnt a lot about culture and feminism from the respectful (a bit) exchanges between monickers here. Keep up the good work.

I still don't subscribe to the idea of calling unmarried females in their late 20's or early 30's evening newspaper. Its a negative word. A lot of factors could be responsible for late marriages. It could be sickness, late education or even personal choice and not necessarily because the said person wasn't a suitable husband or wife.

However, I must also add that the bad attitude of some females may be responsible for their late marriages. Some are very uncouth and bad-mannered. They may also have a fantastical idea of the kind of suitor they want (tall, well chiselled abs, very rich and handsome like adonis). Very few African men meet these criteria. Also, it doesn't matter how beautiful you are or how many degrees or cars you have, a disrespectful AFRICAN lady will lack good suitors. You attract people of similar behaviours to you.


CC charlesemeka

Safarigirl

islayer

Joebie

this myth was dispelled for me a few years ago.

I have seen mad people inside husband house, no even go there. Those nice guys that everyone thinks will make their wives happy, na them dey marry crase women.

I saw real life representation that disrespectful women get married to good men, no reason am. Since that experience, whenever someone says that marriage is not a reward for good behavior, I dey believe them.

Thanks for your wise words.

Joebie:
Very good point. Many of us here believe that we need to go back to our way of doing things. I believe they were possibly a number of better talents who were never discovered. If school sports down to the primary school level is taken seriously, when we go scouting the focus would be kids in the streets who do not go to school. And of course we have the football academies as well. When we separate education from sports we have a big problem.

If we had a professional league, the best youth players across the country would have been absorbed into the feeder teams of club sides. It would be easy to assemble well educated under 17 players

It is irresponsible for any father not to contribute in raising thier kids domestically.

Grooming a child doesn't end at paying for his or her tuition fees and welfare. It goes deeper than that

safarigirl:


Who said anything about rubbing shoulders with anyone? You have misconstrued my stand on shared responsibilities at home to mean rubbing shoulders with a man.

I am not foolish, I know that genders will never really be equal, but some people seem to not realise that today's realities do not align with what obtained thirty years ago and we cannot be as our fathers, just like our fathers could never be like theirs.

Today's realities have women doing things that women traditionally don't do. Ask our grandparents and you will find that in the past, women mostly stayed home and cared for kids, they had their own time. Today, women have to go to work just like men do, they have to bring in money like men do.

African Feminism is only asking men to contribute to building homes beyond bringing money, since women do that too. Be present in your child's life, help around the house. If your wife is paying bills with you, try and assist her in the home too. Nobody is saying that roles should be reversed and women should go to work while men cook and clean.

I find that a lot of people do not have a firm grasp on what African feminism should be about and that is why there is so much aversion to it. I would recommend certain literature to help you guys grasp this concept, but I have been told that men do not like to read prose.

Certitude:

Them dey tell you something, you no wan hear. Igbo culture no upgrade anything. It was as a result of certain case make them lock up for that side. Na to slap small gyal dey hungry you.
There was a case which made FP relating to this issue and I can remember how the Igbo guy reacted. They weren't happy. I don't this this was up to 3 years ago

Blueelf you see the kind thing wey dey vex me? This one is just butting in trying to play sharp guy because Safari is discussing. Igbo, he isn't.
But he can butt in and say in one slowpoke's voice "Igbo culture no upgrade anything"


Certitude, odika ara nkita anaagbagi, mmiri nökwagi ebaa. you're very very stupid.

Lol my brother I go cool down find better one for u

ChrisKels:


Lol Dis guy, u no dey vex?

No mind me nwoke Oru. How fa the Italo okpeke wey I say make u coordinate send ur brother for Enugu here nah? Na so u stingy reach? Na chop alone, die alone oo

I detest feminist and feminism,i wonder if this crusaders continue with this what the female generation will look like in 10yrs time.Most of those canvassing for this were victims of bad relationship experience.I think feminism should center more on fighting against abuse on girls child,domestic violence,child mutilation and bad cultural pratices against the girl child.Afterall we all need love,care,respect,irrespective of the gender.We can't make a better world with inconsequential strife.The number of divorce is on the increase because of feminism and fight of supremacy,God never made woman with the purpose of her to strive with man but for both to work together to make their life and society better.Wisdom is profitable to direct,rather seek for wisdom than knowledge because most knowledge is infiltrated with nausating ideology.

charlesemeka85:
It is irresponsible for any father not to contribute in raising thier kids domestically.

Grooming a child doesn't end at paying for his or her tuition fees and welfare. It goes deeper than that

A lot of fathers leave grooming to mothers and believe that money is all that is necessary.

The utterances of a lot of young men today, reflect this same belief. Thankfully, I have seen some that understand the idea of partnership in a marriage.

iSlayer:



Blueelf you see the kind thing wey dey vex me? This one is just butting in trying to play sharp guy because Safari is discussing. Igbo, he isn't.
But he can butt in and say in one slowpoke's voice "Igbo culture no upgrade anything"


Certitude, odika ara nkita anaagbagi, mmiri nökwagi ebaa. you're very very stupid.

who told you he isn't Igbo?

lol. cooking is one chore among many. It does not reduce the woman in any way. So I don't see why we have to bring the lady's profession or career achievement into this. When a man takes care of certain chores that are considered manly, do we bring his profession or achievements into it? If a man thinks because is a bank CEO for example then he can't take care of his responsibilities in the house but would rather pay a servant to handle some things, then I don't see what's wrong with career wives hiring cooks. Cooking does not necessarily mean submissiveness in my view. A woman can cook for you, act like she is worshiping you but in her heart is the complete opposite. it is that food that she will use to kill u easily. People like to see things at face value.

Blueelf:


Ezekwesili once gave a talk about how she still cooks for her husband till date. I marvelled at that. A former World Bank Chief Official. Some Naija ladies that are just head mistresses of schools or assistant managers of banks see themselves as tin Gods

Yes and that too tbaba.

tbaba1234:


If we had a professional league, the best youth players across the country would have been absorbed into the feeder teams of club sides. It would be easy to assemble well educated under 17 players

safarigirl:
who told you he isn't Igbo?

Then to hell with him for being that stupid with his approach. Says a lot of his level of reasoning. Like what a teenager would do. Nonsense. You sef I was joking with you in a decent discussion we've had for hours and you started to go "Is that what strong black guys would do?" What's the meaning of that?! Because I threw playful jabs at you?? And this ekuke shine rode on it to spoil the discussion. I'm done. The purpose of the discussion was to air a few views and that has been served. Next time.