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Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by LordReed(m): 9:04am On Nov 30, 2019 |
RandomGuy48: It seems odd that one can take any interpretation for a book written by the inspiration of a god. It is odd that meaning doesn't seem to be preserved though the years from when it was written till now. The book seems to need additional context that is not readily available. The man in Akwa Ibom reading the book translated into his language will not have all this additional information and so is most likely to thing 3days and nights means literally. Heck even people in England reading the bible in English will think it's literal. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 11:48am On Nov 30, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Lol |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 11:58am On Nov 30, 2019 |
TVSA:There really is no proof to the contrary. The angelic appearance & the supernatural means by which the stone was rolled away had no bearing to the act of reawakening itself. Jesus did not need the stone out of the way to walk out. That miracle was to grant the believers access into the tomb, not to grant the risen Jesus access out of it. 2 Likes |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Ihedinobi3: 12:03pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
LordReed:Of course I can't speak for RandomGuy48, but the Bible does not lend itself to multiple interpretations. There is always only one correct interpretation of anything that the Bible says. However, because we are still in mortal flesh, we all have different spiritual "pressure points," and are, therefore, susceptible to different kinds of errors. For this reason, we must always allow room for disagreement on certain things in the Bible. There are things on which we Christians cannot afford to disagree because they define our very Faith itself. That is, those things can make or break a believer's identification with Christ and other believers. In those things, we do not accommodate disagreement. If anyone has a different interpretation of those things from others, then they cannot be reckoned as believers too, until they reconcile themselves to the accepted way of understanding those things. Examples include the Trinity, the Scriptures (that is, what is Scripture and what isn't), and the nature of our Salvation. Other things, like how many days the Lord was dead and the membership of Paul among the Twelve, can be disagreed on by fellow believers. Not that they are open to interpretation, no, but that people can be wrong about them without really putting theirs or other people's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ at serious risk. That is why we don't make an issue of it, as you want to do here. All lies and errors are dangerous and costly to accommodate, but some are far more dangerous and costly than others. The Bible does not need additional context to be true, but in order for it to be understood, cultural and historical context does need to be provided to those who believe it. Is such a context readily available? In fact, it very much is. The reason that it does not seem to be is that very few people actually want it. Nairaland is an excellent example of how much people don't want it. Very few people are willing to let anybody else teach them the Bible. The vast majority consider themselves eminently qualified to teach the Bible themselves, even when they know almost nothing in it. So, those who are both gifted and prepared to teach the Bible are often quite magnificently resisted by those who, sometimes desperately, need their help to understand the Bible (compare the eunuch's very ready acceptance of Philip's help in Acts 8 ). The way that the Church is structured, whenever the Truth is brought to anyone by an evangelist, a pastor-teacher is also provided by the Lord to teach it in its fullness and perfection to the person, if the person is willing to learn. If the person is not, then the pastor-teacher may not be given to them, except perhaps to demonstrate their own unwillingness to learn the Truth, so that at the Judgment of the Church it will be made clear to them that their loss of any reward was due to their own unwillingness to learn the Truth even when a teacher was given to them. So, nobody is without the ability to understand what the Bible teaches, if they are willing to accept the gift of pastor-teachers. The fact that the Bible can only be properly taught and understood by also understanding the historical and cultural context in which it was written does not prove a problem to any humble believer. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 12:06pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:Don't you think it made sense because very early Sunday morning before dawn was the day the resurrection was confirmed (not witnessed), which in fact was actually the earliest they could have confirmed it especially because the previous day was a Sabbath and they did not want to risk going close to a dead body against the mosaic law? Just seeking perspective.. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Ihedinobi3: 12:17pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
missjo:There are speculations possible about this, but none of them is particularly fruitful. For example, if the Lord rose that long before Mary Magdalene saw Him, what was He doing if He did not ascend to the Father? He had promised His disciples that when He rose, He would come to see them in Galilee (Mark 14:28). Why then would He rise from the Dead on Saturday only to wait until Sunday to go to Galilee or to tell someone to tell the disciples that He really was going to wait for them in Galilee? These are speculative questions, but they are not necessary. The reason they are not is in the rest of my post. The Lord had told them that He would rise on the third Day, so when they got the report from the women on Sunday that He had risen from the dead, it only made sense to them that it was the same Sunday that He rose. So, they named it for Him. Many early believers assembled on Sunday rather than the Sabbath for this reason. So, you actually need to take my whole post together to appreciate this. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Ihedinobi3: 12:31pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
missjo:Excellent. I completely agree. It was also to expose to the tomb to even unbelievers to demonstrate that it was truly empty. 2 Likes |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 1:03pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
missjo: You really did your research and studied about this properly, however Jesus didn't die between 12&3pm, rather He died a little after 3 o'clock and yes He was in the grave for complete 3 days and 3 nights as He stated. He was put in the grave after 6 o'clock or at night or midnight, cos they couldn't leave Him hanging all night, He arose very early Sunday morning Unfortunately you didn't get the likes and shares your comment deserves. It is ignorance and falsehood of the catholic church that has made people believe He died on Friday and rose on Sunday. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 5:27pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:Apart from parallax and spectroscopy, you mean? The paint is very very shiny.So's your brain if you think shiny paint can burn your retinas, but again don't take my word for it, take a long hard look at it at midday through a decent pair of binoculars. Your claim and the analogous comparison you're deriving from it are asinine. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MrPresident1: 5:56pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
LordReed: Jesus is the Sun of God. He is also a man. Jesus is the sun of righteousness, and he is also a man. Jesus as the sun, and Jesus as a man is used interchangeably in the Bible because it is one and the same person. So, when the Bible says, the clouds received him from sight, and the same way he left, so he will return etc., it is using the sun to describe the son which is one and the same person. The sun dies on December 21st and spends three days and three nights in the grave, then it rises again on the morning of 25th December https://notclif./2016/12/19/december-21-25-the-death-and-birth-of-the-unconquered-sun/ The Sun will “die” at midnight on December 21, but don't panic, it will “rebirth” on midnight December 24. This occurs at the beginning of Winter every year for the past 4.6 billion years. It is called the Winter Solstice, “sun stood still”, and is considered the shortest day in the year in terms of hours of sunlight. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 7:16pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
TVSA:Is the pope catholic? Of course Jesus has left before then. missjo:Gbam! missjo:Double doubled gbam!, lol Thank you. You have no idea, and I think I even might the only one who knows, that, my respect for you has gone up a notch since these comments. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 7:25pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by TVSA: 7:28pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
missjo: Mark 16:9 KJV Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken? |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 7:37pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
TVSA:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] Saturday nobi sabbath ni? If so, what are you on about then? |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 7:47pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
TVSA: He arose very early Sunday morning while it was still dark and not Saturday evening. However He was in the grave for complete 3days and 3 nights. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by TVSA: 7:50pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Did you even understand what I was getting at? She said Jesus rose on Saturday 6pm. But Mark said Jesus rose on Sunday morning. Or Saturday is the first day of the week? |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by TVSA: 7:52pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
Praivit0:That lady said Jesus rose Saturday evening. Read her earlier comments |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Ihedinobi3: 8:04pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Apart from nothing. You're still spouting Hollywood and US government propaganda at me. You're being deliberately blind, young lady. You've been brainwashed to believe that the African is an inferior human because he cannot create space tech. There's no such thing as outer space and giant gas balls and rocks in space. Insults won't help you here. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Ihedinobi3: 8:06pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
TVSA:Everything in Mark 16 after verse 8 is a gloss. It was not written by Mark, so it is not a part of the Bible. Not that it has a bearing on your position. The Lord Jesus did rise early on Sunday morning, but the gloss is not needed to establish that. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Finallydead: 8:31pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
LordReed: Ihedinobi3: Greetings all. Yes , The Lord was in the grave for EXACTLY, LITERALLY 3 days and 3 nights just as He said. Our God is not vague about these things but sometimes tradition or some veil in our minds distorts his word. In His death, God fulfilled a million and one prophecies all at the same time. He gave up the ghost at exactly the same time the hebrews killed the passover lamb (the ninth hour from sunrise- around 3pm), Wednesday afternoon in our calendar, because He was the Passover Lamb. He was put in the grave at sundown, which begins a new day for the jews and on this particular feast, a sabbath (He 'rested' in the grave on a Sabbath) (Wednesday Evening). He spent wedneday evening to saturday evening in the grave/belly of the earth(3 complete days and 3 complete nights) and rose from the grave on saturday evening, which begins a new day(for the jews who count evening first, then morning) and in this case the first day of the week( He literally rose from the dead with a new covenant just at the beginning of a new week) forever abolishing the old in the old week and many other prophetic coincidences. It was a deliberate misconstruing of jewish tradition by compromised elements to fix His death on friday claiming that Saturday was the sabbath before which he died in order to make God a liar eventually and the church over the generations has ignorantly bought this lie. The date that fulfills all this is traced to 30 A.D. by the way. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 10:24pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
Finallydead: I agree perfectly that Jesus died on Wednesday after 3pm and I know He was put in the grave very late, but I can't ascertain the time, cos the scripture didn't say. However I don't agree that He rose on Saturday evening, cos all the scriptures talk about the first day of the week. Matthew even went further to buttress his point that it was at dawn. Matthew 28: 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. If it was at dawn as spoken by Matthew then it can't be Saturday evening. Dawn is between 4-7am depending on the environment. 2 Likes |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by RandomGuy48: 11:13pm On Nov 30, 2019 |
LordReed:Well, the exact day of the burial of Jesus it not really an important item for a believer's faith outside of someone wanting a day that (to them) fulfills the 3 days and 3 nights requirement. So if one finds a timeline they find satisfactory, I don't really see any reason to argue with them about it, even if I do believe the evidence indicates it was simply using the Jewish reckoning of time and therefore not "literal" (at least as of thought of today) three days. 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 12:48am On Dec 01, 2019 |
TVSA:She's confused about when it happened and dont seem to understand the Jewish style of counting day and night. She's got her wires crossed, that's all, lol. Sorry my mehn. TVSA:Dont mind our missjo, she soon will return here, to say that she no longer holds that opinion and/or belief, especially since it's outrightly heretical, lol |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 3:06am On Dec 01, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:There is a big difference between can not and have not. I've seen no evidence which proves Africans are in anyway inferior to any other humans one the planet. ------ In the nineteenth century there was Shaka Zulu, ,called "the Black Napoleon" who conquered an empire the size of Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka From the 11th to the 15th century there was the city of Great Zimbabwe. Look it up. Finally, because of racist nonsense, many white people especially fail to grasp that ancient Egypt was an AFRICAN culture. It's simply not credible to me that a person who found his/her way to this forum could possibly be as wilfully ignorant as your last few posts suggest. Considering our past encounters, Ihedinobi3, I'd have expected better. There seems to be only two explanations; As far as this topic is concerned, you are (A) really as ignorant as you seem to be Or (more likely) (B) you're trying to be a common or garden variety TROLL. In either case, I decline to waste any more time on you on this issue. The fact that you call stars "fiery balls of gas hanging on nothing" means that I can pretty much discard everything you say going forward. Thanks for playing. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Nobody: 3:18am On Dec 01, 2019 |
RandomGuy48:There are thousands of records from the 1st Century CE. Even from the beginning of the Century and before.The problem historically for Christians is that there is NO mention of the jesus figure until the earliest of the Epistles, which of course do not convey the same message as the much later stories in the Gospels which have been dated in the case of Mark to about 75CE at the earliest. Other self claimed Messiahs both major and minor are mentioned by contemporary writers, but not one note, message or side note about this jesus figure. Not one of the 5000 people fed on bread and fish thought to mention it, None of the attendees at the Sermon of the Mount. None seems to have witnessed the 500 plus zombies preaching around Jerusalem never mind the 'darkness at midday etc which was meant to accompany the lost weekend of the jesus figure. Further there is no record of ANY of the disciples in subsequent history, except in Second Century tales. The gospels themselves cannot agree on how many and who they were, where they went and how they died. Paul: Paul does not describe a physical resurrection at all, he positively claims a spiritual visitation by the jesus figure, one that is roundly contradicted in the gospels and later dogma. Paul had visions of this figure and conversations with it resulting in much of the Epistles contents. As only 3 of the epistles can be ascribed as to be mostly by the same author, 6 are combinations and compilations of writings that contain content (often contradictory) , and the rest are either complete forgeries or by a foreign hand in total. The gospel stories are all contradictory and were never meant to be compared as they are today. Each gospel was "the" gospel and intended (and was indeed) used by a particular group or sect. The anthology we call the "New Testament: is a much much later invention. The Syriac church used a version of all the gospels that was disembowelled and bowdlerised so that the stories did not contradict, This of course was declared anathema some time later and destroyed. The Gospel of Thomas was used as the foundation of the Christian Church in Kerala State, India and was used exclusively until the arrival of the Spanish in the 16th Century.... Paul would have little reason to go into details about miracles, the virgin birth, or ministry on Earth. Paul's letters, after all, were advice being sent to churches, i.e. people who were already Christians who already knew about the life of Jesus (this is in contrast to the Gospels, where the point was to let people know about the life of Jesus). You don't need to spend time reminding them of things they would have been well acquainted with already, especially given this was a time period where paper wasn't as easy to get and there was reason to save space.Rubbish. The letters were to christians who may or may not have been using texts with no mention of the birth narrative, or, no mention of the resurrection. These were common in the early 1st century, and we know that because their use was later attacked by the Pauline church. The birth and death narratives were later additions probably in the late 1st century and some we know to the mid second or even 3rd Centuries. 'Paper' making was a HUGE industry in Roman times. Actual Paper, Vellum, Papyrii and other materials were produced in huge quantities and was readily available to the middle classes. It is the preservation of such used items that was, and is problematic. The main problem we have is the destruction of so many early texts by the eventual winners of the contest between the various sects of Christianity. The Romanised Pauline sect won and the rest as we know is 'history'. A history of destruction , bloodshed and an orgy of book burning from the mid third century until modern times. That there is NO contemporary reference to a jesus figure as described in the gospels is not supposition it is a fact. PS: The website you've been linking says that Apollo astronauts traveled to the moon. Care to explain? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Finallydead: 4:13am On Dec 01, 2019 |
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Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by Finallydead: 4:16am On Dec 01, 2019 |
Praivit0: Yeah bro. Consider one thing i wrote in my post. That's the key. Jews don't count days the way we do. A jew's day begins at sundown( first part of day) and at sunrise is the beginning of the latter part of the day. That's to say, they count evening and then morning, for a full 24hour cycle. That means weekly sabbath begins friday evening and ends saturday evening. That also means first day of the week begins Saturday evening and ends sunday evening. Read the texts with this in mind and it all makes perfect sense. Take note that Jesus had already risen long before dawn of Sunday so whem they came to His tomb, in all accounts, He was not there but appeared to them on their way after they were intimated by the angel at the tomb 2 Likes |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 6:55am On Dec 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Lmao.. I still hold on to the Saturday resurrection count. But like Ihedinobi pointed out, this is not one of those things we should dwell on. At the end of all things, our saviour resurrected and that's what matters |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 7:17am On Dec 01, 2019 |
TVSA: Praivit0:Guys, dawn of Sunday morning is when the tomb was found empty by the Marys. Every other instance of resurrection you guys are making is pure conjecture because NO ONE actually saw the hour it happened, much less Mark. The assumption by the early church is that Jesus rose very early Sunday morning because they didn't want to defile the idea of a holy Jewish Sabbath. But we all good here, are we not? ![]() |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 7:18am On Dec 01, 2019 |
Praivit0:Thanks |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 7:20am On Dec 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Interesting ![]() Thank you. |
Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by missjo(f): 7:24am On Dec 01, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:Fair assessment. I would rather everyone understood it like this and not just stand on authority that it was a Sunday resurrection. |
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