RandomGuy48:
Ah, I see what you're getting at. I favor the interpretation that, per the Jewish reckoning of time (which would have been the one that mattered to the people who heard the prophecy), a full "literal" 72 hours was not required for three days and three nights and therefore the Friday burial, Sunday resurrection timeline fits the three days and three nights requirement.

That said, I don't find the possibility of a burial earlier in the week in order to fit the "full" 72 hours (as some have advocated here) to be particularly objectionable. Someone can take whichever explanation they prefer.

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad you are reasonable and see sense, lol

Jesus did what Jesus promised and said He would do. He raised up from the grave after 3 days and 3 nights. You're trying to find and/or know how long a piece of string is. The man, rose after 3 days and 3 days, He delivered on His word and/or promise. Stop being pedantic and trying to split hair ojaare, lol

TVSA:
so Jesus has left before then?

LordReed:


It seems odd that one can take any interpretation for a book written by the inspiration of a god. It is odd that meaning doesn't seem to be preserved though the years from when it was written till now. The book seems to need additional context that is not readily available. The man in Akwa Ibom reading the book translated into his language will not have all this additional information and so is most likely to thing 3days and nights means literally. Heck even people in England reading the bible in English will think it's literal.

Ihedinobi3:

Refer to my first response to you. I did say that we don't have the exact moment of the Lord's Resurrection recorded in the Bible, but the Scriptures call Sunday the Lord's Day. That only makes sense if it was the Day He rose from the dead.

missjo:

Don't you think it made sense because very early Sunday morning before dawn was the day they that the resurrection was confirmed (not witnessed), which in fact was actually the earliest they could have done so especially because the previous day was a Sabbath and they did not want to risk going close to a dead body against the mosaic law?

Just seeking perspective..

missjo:

There really is no proof to the contrary.

The angelic appearance & the supernatural means by which the stone was rolled away had no bearing to the act of reawakening itself. Jesus did not need the stone out of the way to walk out.
That miracle was to grant the believers access into the tomb, not to grant the risen Jesus access out of it.

missjo:

Hi LordReed, it's been a minute since I contributed to religious discussions here but please allow me to share what I have studied on this. The topic of the death & resurrection is of great interest to me.

First of all, the answer to your question is an emphatic YES, the prophesy of three mornings(daylight) and three evenings(night) was fulfilled LITERALLY.

By the old Jewish system of days & nights, a new day began at sunset (6pm) instead of midnight (12am) as we observe presently.
Jesus the Christ died on a wednesday between the hours of 12noon and 3pm (Matt 27:45-56).

How can we be sure it was a Wednesday?
Because of this passage:
John 19:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Sabbath being referred to here does not speak of the regular Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but rather the high day of the passover (as emphasized by John in his use of parenthesis to explain) also called a Sabbath. This "high day" was held on Thursdays.

Between 3pm and 6pm of Wednesday is the period where Joseph of Arimathea besought Pilate to release the body of Jesus to him for burial (Matthew 27:57-61). All of this could very well have taken approximately 3hours and by the time Jesus was laid in the tomb, it was already a little bit past 6pm of Wednesday.

Now if we start counting from 6pm on Wednesday (remember a new day starts at 6pm), then:
6pm Wednesday - 6pm Thursday = Day 1
6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday = Day 2
6pm Friday - 6pm Saturday = Day 3
Every day of the above is complete with 24hours of evening and morning (Note that the old testament bible records a full day by referring to it as evening and morning, never as morning and evening; another proof that a new day starts at 6pm).

The particular time and hour that Jesus arose can not be ascertained because no one witnessed it. The soldiers who kept watch outside the tomb only witnessed the earthquake and the angel rolling back the stone covering of the tomb which happened to grant Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of James, access into the sepulchre (this happened very early on Sunday morning).

John 20:1 calls it the first day of the week (Sunday) and he wrote that it was still dark (probably about 5am).
Mathew 28:1 says it in much the same way calling it the end of the Sabbath (Saturday) as it began to dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday).

As at the time these two women got there, he had already risen some time after sunset on Saturday evening without the knowledge of the soldiers outside who stood guard. As far as they were concerned, the body of Jesus was still in the tomb by the time the two Marys got there at about 5am on Sunday morning.

Ihedinobi3:

I think you're having a different argument from the one I am having.

The issue is that those dots are not giant balls of gas or rock. They are just shiny dots on the Great Dome of the sky. There is no proof of any "outer space" or giant gas balls.

The paint is very very shiny.

LordReed:
The bible says it was to fulfil a prophecy so was it fulfilled?

TVSA:
so Jesus has left before then?

missjo:
There really is no proof to the contrary.
The angelic appearance & the supernatural means by which the stone was rolled away had no bearing to the act of reawakening itself. Jesus did not need the stone out of the way to walk out.

missjo:
That miracle was to grant the believers access into the tomb, not to grant the risen Jesus access out of it.

MrPresident1:
Jesus is the Sun of God. He is also a man. Jesus is the sun of righteousness, and he is also a man.

Jesus as the sun, and Jesus as a man is used interchangeably in the Bible because it is one and the same person. So, when the Bible says, the clouds received him from sight, and the same way he left, so he will return etc., it is using the sun to describe the son which is one and the same person. The sun dies on December 21st and spends three days and three nights in the grave, then it rises again on the morning of 25th December

https://notclif./2016/12/19/december-21-25-the-death-and-birth-of-the-unconquered-sun/

The Sun will “die” at midnight on December 21, but don't panic, it will “rebirth” on midnight December 24. This occurs at the beginning of Winter every year for the past 4.6 billion years. It is called the Winter Solstice, “sun stood still”, and is considered the shortest day in the year in terms of hours of sunlight.

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad for you that you know the truth about RCC. My grouse at the moment isnt with the RCC, so that congrats to you, is all I'll here be saying about the RCC aside again saying here that, if only more christians properly read their bibles there'd be less christians.

missjo:

There really is no proof to the contrary.

The angelic appearance & the supernatural means by which the stone was rolled away had no bearing to the act of reawakening itself. Jesus did not need the stone out of the way to walk out.
That miracle was to grant the believers access into the tomb, not to grant the risen Jesus access out of it.

TVSA:
Mark 16:9 KJV
"Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken?

TVSA:


Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken?

MuttleyLaff:
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Saturday nobi sabbath ni?
If so, what are you on about then?

Praivit0:



He arose very early Sunday morning while it was still dark and not Saturday evening. However He was in the grave for complete 3days and 3 nights.

XxSabrinaxX:

Apart from parallax and spectroscopy, you mean?


So's your brain if you think shiny paint can burn your retinas, but again don't take my word for it, take a long hard look at it at midday through a decent pair of binoculars.

Your claim and the analogous comparison you're deriving from it are asinine.

TVSA:


Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken?

LordReed:


It does not preclude it from being the weekly Sabbath. Besides there is no description of the events that suggests they rested for 3 intervening days. The bible clearly states they rested on the Sabbath day, singular denotation.

Ihedinobi3:

Yes it was. Was the Lord Jesus in the Grave for a literal 72 hours, not one second more or less? No. But the Bible did not say that He would be. It only said that He would be in the Grave for three days and three nights. That was counted differently in that culture than it is today. Even today, we are hardly so hard and fast about these things. Today we say, "I spent the whole day there just waiting to see him," and fully expect the person we're talking to to understand that we were not counting the seconds to make sure that it was exactly 24 hours.

The point of the three days and three nights was to emphasize that the Lord Jesus's Body would not "see corruption," that is, it would not decay. Decay was culturally accounted back then to begin from the fourth day (see John 11:39). The Lord was to be in the grave long enough for it to be clear that He was truly dead, but not so long that His Body, which was sinless, would begin to decay. Again, this is a cultural thing, since, with our scientific obsession with precision today, we sometimes consider a body to begin to decay right from the moment of death. But if we were to be absolute, then decay starts even while we are alive whenever cells die and are not replaced in our bodies.

In the time that the Lord lived, a day was counted if a part of it was experienced, so although the Lord rose from the dead early in the morning of the third day, the fact that He was still in the tomb by the third day made it a complete three days for Him to be dead.

Sometimes, the Scriptures do use "precision counting" to make a point. For example, in Revelation 11:9, the two witnesses are said to be dead for three days and a half. This is deliberate because it is a symbol for the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation that follow their death. Otherwise, day counts in the Bible followed the culture of the day.

Finallydead:




Greetings all. Yes , The Lord was in the grave for EXACTLY, LITERALLY 3 days and 3 nights just as He said. Our God is not vague about these things but sometimes tradition or some veil in our minds distorts his word. In His death, God fulfilled a million and one prophecies all at the same time. He gave up the ghost at exactly the same time the hebrews killed the passover lamb (the ninth hour from sunrise- around 3pm), Wednesday afternoon in our calendar, because He was the Passover Lamb. He was put in the grave at sundown, which begins a new day for the jews and on this particular feast, a sabbath (He 'rested' in the grave on a Sabbath) (Wednesday Evening). He spent wedneday evening to saturday evening in the grave/belly of the earth(3 complete days and 3 complete nights) and rose from the grave on saturday evening, which begins a new day(for the jews who count evening first, then morning) and in this case the first day of the week( He literally rose from the dead with a new covenant just at the beginning of a new week) forever abolishing the old in the old week and many other prophetic coincidences. It was a deliberate misconstruing of jewish tradition by compromised elements to fix His death on friday claiming that Saturday was the sabbath before which he died in order to make God a liar eventually and the church over the generations has ignorantly bought this lie. The date that fulfills all this is traced to 30 A.D. by the way.

LordReed:


It seems odd that one can take any interpretation for a book written by the inspiration of a god. It is odd that meaning doesn't seem to be preserved though the years from when it was written till now. The book seems to need additional context that is not readily available. The man in Akwa Ibom reading the book translated into his language will not have all this additional information and so is most likely to thing 3days and nights means literally. Heck even people in England reading the bible in English will think it's literal.

TVSA:
Did you even understand what I was getting at? She said Jesus rose on Saturday 6pm. But Mark said Jesus rose on Sunday morning. Or Saturday is the first day of the week?

TVSA:
That lady said Jesus rose Saturday evening. Read her earlier comments

Ihedinobi3:

Apart from nothing. You're still spouting Hollywood and US government propaganda at me. You're being deliberately blind, young lady. You've been brainwashed to believe that the African is an inferior human because he cannot create space tech. There's no such thing as outer space and giant gas balls and rocks in space.

Insults won't help you here.

RandomGuy48:

This argument is often made. The problem is how few records we actually have from that time period to begin with, and how few of what we do have would have any reason to mention Jesus at all. For example:
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/remslist.php

Paul would have little reason to go into details about miracles, the virgin birth, or ministry on Earth. Paul's letters, after all, were advice being sent to churches, i.e. people who were already Christians who already knew about the life of Jesus (this is in contrast to the Gospels, where the point was to let people know about the life of Jesus). You don't need to spend time reminding them of things they would have been well acquainted with already, especially given this was a time period where paper wasn't as easy to get and there was reason to save space.

Praivit0:


I agree perfectly that Jesus died on Wednesday after 3pm and I know He was put in the grave very late, but I can't ascertain the time, cos the scripture didn't say.

However I don't agree that He rose on Saturday evening, cos all the scriptures talk about the first day of the week. Matthew even went further to buttress his point that it was at dawn.
Matthew 28: 1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If it was at dawn as spoken by Matthew then it can't be Saturday evening. Dawn is between 4-7am depending on the environment.

MuttleyLaff:
She's confused about when it happened and dont seem to understand the Jewish style of counting day and night. She's got her wires crossed, that's all, lol. Sorry my mehn.

Dont mind our missjo, she soon will return here, to say that she no longer holds that opinion and/or belief, especially since it's outrightly heretical, lol

TVSA:


Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Is the first day Saturday or Mark was mistaken?

Praivit0:


I agree perfectly that Jesus died on Wednesday after 3pm and I know He was put in the grave very late, but I can't ascertain the time, cos the scripture didn't say.

However I don't agree that He rose on Saturday evening, cos all the scriptures talk about the first day of the week. Matthew even went further to buttress his point that it was at dawn.
Matthew 28: 1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If it was at dawn as spoken by Matthew then it can't be Saturday evening. Dawn is between 4-7am depending on the environment.

Praivit0:


You really did your research and studied about this properly, however Jesus didn't die between 12&3pm, rather He died a little after 3 o'clock and yes He was in the grave for complete 3 days and 3 nights as He stated. He was put in the grave after 6 o'clock or at night or midnight, cos they couldn't leave Him hanging all night, He arose very early Sunday morning

Unfortunately you didn't get the likes and shares your comment deserves.
It is ignorance and falsehood of the catholic church that has made people believe He died on Friday and rose on Sunday.

MuttleyLaff:
Is the pope catholic? Of course Jesus has left before then.

Gbam!

Double doubled gbam!, lol
Thank you. You have no idea, and I think I even might the only one who knows, that, my respect for you has gone up a notch since these comments.

Ihedinobi3:

There are speculations possible about this, but none of them is particularly fruitful. For example, if the Lord rose that long before Mary Magdalene saw Him, what was He doing if He did not ascend to the Father? He had promised His disciples that when He rose, He would come to see them in Galilee (Mark 14:28). Why then would He rise from the Dead on Saturday only to wait until Sunday to go to Galilee or to tell someone to tell the disciples that He really was going to wait for them in Galilee?

These are speculative questions, but they are not necessary. The reason they are not is in the rest of my post. The Lord had told them that He would rise on the third Day, so when they got the report from the women on Sunday that He had risen from the dead, it only made sense to them that it was the same Sunday that He rose. So, they named it for Him. Many early believers assembled on Sunday rather than the Sabbath for this reason.

So, you actually need to take my whole post together to appreciate this.