sonmvayina:


The Oracle was for king Arab, the pregnant woman is Isaiah wife.. The son is Isaiah "s son.. Read the story in context

Isaiah’s son will be born of a virgin? Okay o
U don’t understand that these things have to be read in greater historical context that even the prophet may not have understood

sonmvayina:


We don't worship any thing, we just obey natural laws and spiritual laws..

Did someone wrote this on your behalf?


Confusion of the highest order

sonmvayina:


The Oracle was for king Arab, the pregnant woman is Isaiah wife.. The son is Isaiah "s son.. Read the story in context

Did anyone see this?

This guy is confused seriously.

sonmvayina:


The best way to worship the creator is to obey his laws.. You know them.. No idolatry, keep sabath day holy, honor father and mother, don't kill, don't vomit adultery.. Etc.. I don't do them.. I don't need to go through any Jesus to obey them... If I fall, I confess my sins to God directly and try again to forsake it.. He said he will forgive.. I believe he will..

There are about 700 laws and it says if u break one it’s like you’ve broken all . U sure u can keep them all?

CanadaOrBust:


There are about 700 laws and it says if u break one it’s like you’ve broken all . U sure u can keep them all?

The 700+ laws are for the jews only.. Not for the rest of mankind..

CanadaOrBust:


Isaiah’s son will be born of a virgin? Okay o
U don’t understand that these things have to be read in greater historical context that even the prophet may not have understood

The original Hebrew word is Almah, which is a young woman.. Not Bertula which denotes sexual purity.. Read the story in context.. The son was a sign that the northern kingdom and Syria will not attack Israel.. Even if you read all the way to chapter 18:8 it says "I and the sons the Lord has given me, we are for signs and potents for the children of Israel"...

sonmvayina:


The 700+ laws are for the jews only.. Not for the rest of mankind..

So u pick and choose which to obey. Ok, which of them are for mankind and where did it say those alone are to be obeyed by mankind?

OtemAtum:
This is what you were taught guy, but the reality is the history you have just read there. That you see it on the wikipedia that Mohammed was born 570AD doesn't transpire to the actual truth. Even people lie about their ages and Mohammed isn't an exception. Allah has a creator and himself knows his creator. Go and read the Book of Universal History to study how Allah was created. How I wish you could see a revelation of how Allah your god is currently confined in a spiritual cage, then you would have discovered the truth of the whole matter. Peace.

But you too you read it right? Or were you there physically to witness the events? NO, Arabic is one of the languages of the world and they gave the literal meaning to the word ALLAH, so why are you saying they are wrong? Please gwt your facts right before spewing unnecessary rubbish here. Peace be unto you

Zenithpeak:



Did anyone see this?

This guy is confused seriously.

The son was a sign that the northern kingdom and Syria will not defeat Israel.. Read it in context..

CanadaOrBust:


So u pick and choose which to obey. Ok, which of them are for mankind and where did it say those alone are to be obeyed by mankind?

The 7 noahide laws, I have posted them here before.. We are all "children of Noah".. The rest where for the jews, they where his chosen people.. Read deuteronomy 10:7-32

sonmvayina:


My answer is no body can go against the will of God, because he is all powerful.. Lucifer is just the goddess of death.. Nothing more.. She is just an illusion..

I will take up from 2 fronts

The will of God and Lucifer as illusion.

1. Any time you committed a sin and you realised this is a sin and you feel there's need to make things right with God obviously you've gone against his will hence the need to reconcile with him.

That nullifies your lies that God is so powerful and nobody can go against his will.
There's the will of God and there's the counsel of God. Until you know the functional difference between the two, you will keep missing the mark.


Lucifer (now satan) has nothing in common with death and he used to be an archangel. When moses died and there was power confrontation between him and Archangel Michael, the Bible said; Michael cannot bring railing accusations against him than to just say; Satan , the Lord rebuke you.

How is Satan an illusion?

Zenithplus and CanadaOrBust, you have been following my argument so far.. Just tell me where you think I missed it?.. Or making a mistake..

My point in a nut shell is that there was never any need for the jesus story.. God command was confess and forsake, I will forgive... No where he said he was sending his son to come and die.. When he has already provided a solution..

So, what are urs?

sonmvayina:


The 7 noahide laws, I have posted them here before.. We are all "children of Noah".. The rest where for the jews, they where his chosen people.. Read deuteronomy 10:7-32

I don’t have to read anything to know u r wrong. God of Israel concerned himself with Israel. Stop making up stuff.
Deuteronomy 10 ends at 22 and in no way support anything u r saying

Zenithpeak:


I will take up from 2 fronts

The will of God and Lucifer as illusion.

1. Any time you committed a sin and you realised this is a sin and you feel there's need to make things right with God obviously you've gone against his will hence the need to reconcile with him.

That nullifies your lies that God is so powerful and nobody can go against his will.
There's the will of God and there's the counsel of God. Until you know the functional difference between the two, you will keep missing the mark.


Lucifer (now satan) has nothing in common with death and he used to be an archangel. When moses died and there was power confrontation between him and Archangel Michael, the Bible said; Michael cannot bring railing accusations against him than to just say; Satan , the Lord rebuke you.

How is Satan an illusion?

First and foremost it is God that created us like this with the ability to choose and he knows sometimes we are going to make wrong decisions.. He says if we do.. We should learn more about from them, confess and move on.. He will forgive us.. Sin was part of God's plan from the beginning..lucifer is a title of a Goddess.. It literally means light bearer.. It refers to the planet Venus.. But in the context of Isaiah, he was referring to Inanna.. Who was the Goddess of death, before that attribute was given to Mars.. Devil simply refers to the God of darkness which is the moon.. Satan is God of the air.. I don't know where you got the idea that they are evil.. Where?

CanadaOrBust:


I don’t have to read anything to know u r wrong. God of Israel concerned himself with Israel. Stop making up stuff

It is up to you.. They were his chosen people.. He was their god they were his
People.. Israel was his first born son..

OtemAtum:
God Almighty is the creator of the universe
Lord is used mostly for local gods like Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, Oduduwa, Enlil, Atum, Enki, etc.

God Almighty, the creator of Jehovah, Allah, etc is the cause of Existence and the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE.

Didn't you say that people could get guidance from their ancestors?

This universal book of history you keeping throwing all over the place like a hypnotized peacock, did you write it yourself or were you there when it was written?

You work so assiduously to discredit the great and awesome Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts - effort in utter futility - and still brandish the universal book of history like it fell into your lap from the sky.

sonmvayina:


It is up to you.. They were his chosen people.. He was their god they were his
People.. Israel was his first born son..

Stop making up stuff.
Deuteronomy 10 ends at 22 and in no way support anything u r saying

sonmvayina:


First and foremost it is God that created us like this with the ability to choose and he knows sometimes we are going to make wrong decisions.. He says if we do.. We should learn more about from them, confess and move on.. He will forgive us.. Sin was part of God's plan from the beginning..lucifer is a title of a Goddess.. It literally means light bearer.. It refers to the planet Venus.. But in the context of Isaiah, he was referring to Inanna.. Who was the Goddess of death, before that attribute was given to Mars.. Devil simply refers to the God of darkness which is the moon.. Satan is God of the air.. I don't know where you got the idea that they are evil.. Where?

Where did you get all those from? From what book did you read those things you posted?

Snowale:
LOL, you deleted something, Why naa??, The second phrase said the word was with God. I told you to give me an unambiguous statement, If truly Jesus was God and he should be worshipped, it would have shown clearly several times in the Bible. Probably, this is your only proof from the Bible.
Meanwhile, for it to be ambiguous it has several meaning John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. First meaning, Truly the word of God was there right from the beginning, passed from prophet to prophet, and the word of God was truly with God, even though a prophet dies, the word won't die, and the word was God, all Revelations (word) reveals nothing that to worship and be obedient to the God Almighty.
Second meaning...

Christian or muslim?

sonmvayina:
Zenithplus and CanadaOrBust, you have been following my argument so far.. Just tell me where you think I missed it?.. Or making a mistake..

My point in a nut shell is that there was never any need for the jesus story.. God command was confess and forsake, I will forgive... No where he said he was sending his son to come and die.. When he has already provided a solution..

So, what are urs?

What I have discovered is that, many of with funny ideas about God/gods have problems with the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the reason is not far fetched. You can easily twist god to mean anything that suit your purpose but the personality and the deity of Jesus Christ makes uncomfortable to perpetrate your dangerous lies and get away with it. You cannot manipulate him so you decided to hate him.

The same reason why the high priest and the people of Jerusalem ganged up against him and exterminated him not knowing they are fulfilling the word of Jehovah.

One thing I'm sure of; if you're there during the time of Jesus Christ, you'll be among those that killed him.

sonmvayina:
Zenithplus and CanadaOrBust, you have been following my argument so far.. Just tell me where you think I missed it?.. Or making a mistake..

My point in a nut shell is that there was never any need for the jesus story.. God command was confess and forsake, I will forgive... No where he said he was sending his son to come and die.. When he has already provided a solution..

So, what are urs?

What I have discovered is that, many of you with funny ideas about God/gods have problems with the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the reason is not far fetched. You can easily twist god to mean anything that suit your purpose but the personality and the deity of Jesus Christ makes you so uncomfortable in perpetrating your dangerous lies and get away with it. You cannot manipulate him so you decided to hate him.

The same reason why the high priest and the people of Jerusalem ganged up against him and exterminated him not knowing they are fulfilling the word of Jehovah.

One thing I'm sure of; if you're there during the time of Jesus Christ, you'll be among those that had him killed.

sonmvayina:
Zenithplus and CanadaOrBust, you have been following my argument so far.. Just tell me where you think I missed it?.. Or making a mistake..

My point in a nut shell is that there was never any need for the jesus story.. God command was confess and forsake, I will forgive... No where he said he was sending his son to come and die.. When he has already provided a solution..

So, what are urs?

It is crystal clear you despise the New Covenant (Testament).

Answer this question:

What was the essence of the animal sacrifice YHVH gave to the Israelites when they came out of Egypt?

CanadaOrBust:


Stop making up stuff.
Deuteronomy 10 ends at 22 and in no way support anything u r saying

Sorry, I made a mistake.. I will post the right passage when I get it.. Israel was his chosen people..

elated177:


Where did you get all those from? From what book did you read those things you posted?

Study, study my friend.. There is a big library called the world wide Web.. It is not only for watching porn..

Make friends with scholars from universities round the world.. People who has translated ancient manuscripts.. Learn.. Is it not better you know than follow blindly

Snowale:
LOL, you deleted something, Why naa??, The second phrase said the word was with God. I told you to give me an unambiguous statement, If truly Jesus was God and he should be worshipped, it would have shown clearly several times in the Bible. Probably, this is your only proof from the Bible.
Meanwhile, for it to be ambiguous it has several meaning John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. First meaning, Truly the word of God was there right from the beginning, passed from prophet to prophet, and the word of God was truly with God, even though a prophet dies, the word won't die, and the word was God, all Revelations (word) reveals nothing that to worship and be obedient to the God Almighty.
Second meaning...

your brain is full of shit, so is your spiritual understanding.
God has hidden himself and deep things from you, just like He did to pharoh and socalled wisemen n scribes

Zenithpeak:



What I have discovered is that, many of with funny ideas about God/gods have problems with the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the reason is not far fetched. You can easily twist god to mean anything that suit your purpose but the personality and the deity of Jesus Christ makes uncomfortable to perpetrate your dangerous lies and get away with it. You cannot manipulate him so you decided to hate him.

The same reason why the high priest and the people of Jerusalem ganged up against him and exterminated him not knowing they are fulfilling the word of Jehovah.

One thing I'm sure of; if you're there during the time of Jesus Christ, you'll be among those that killed him.

What is the purpose of the jesus story? How is it beneficial to us?

sonmvayina:


First and foremost it is God that created us like this with the ability to choose and he knows sometimes we are going to make wrong decisions.. He says if we do.. We should learn more about from them, confess and move on.. He will forgive us.. Sin was part of God's plan from the beginning..lucifer is a title of a Goddess.. It literally means light bearer.. It refers to the planet Venus.. But in the context of Isaiah, he was referring to Inanna.. Who was the Goddess of death, before that attribute was given to Mars.. Devil simply refers to the God of darkness which is the moon.. Satan is God of the air.. I don't know where you got the idea that they are evil.. Where?

If you say God created us to be falling and rising every time, then you are calling the perfection of God into question. Sin was never part of man Jehovah created, sin came from outside to corrupt the man God created but not without the consent of man himself.... That truth exposes your lies that man was created to be dominated by sin. That's a lie of the devil.

The second part of your post is contradictory.

sonmvayina:


Sorry, I made a mistake.. I will post the right passage when I get it.. Israel was his chosen people..

Of course - he is God of Israel and if u become a spiritual Israelite u become a spiritual Jew, subject to ALL the Jewish laws. No where in the scriptures does it say u choose which ones

elated177:



It is crystal clear you despise the New Covenant (Testament).

Answer this question:

What was the essence of the animal sacrifice YHVH gave to the Israelites when they came out of Egypt?

Animal sacrifice?.. I have a bible here.. What book and chapter?.. It was man out of his arrogance that thought he can please God.. So he gave them the animals they are to use..
The sacrifice was for unintentional sins.. And it must be a female goat, less than 1 year old.. Without blemish.. NEVER A HUMAN BEING to kill a human being Needlessly is forbidden by God.

sonmvayina:


Study, study my friend.. There is a big library called the world wide Web.. It is not only for watching porn..

Make friends with scholars from universities round the world.. People who has translated ancient manuscripts.. Learn.. Is it not better you know than follow blindly

Lol... hilarious.

Oh!

You got those things you posted above from the web? Eeemm... who wrote them again?

Which people? Mention some names.

Following who blindly? Where and how did following factor into the question?

Zenithpeak:



If you say God created us to be falling and rising every time, then you are calling the perfection of God into question. Sin was never part of man Jehovah created, sin came from outside to corrupt the man God created but not without the consent of man himself.... That truth exposes your lies that man was created to be dominated by sin. That's a lie of the devil.

The second part of your post is contradictory.

Do you even read and understand my post. God created us with the ability to choose.. He gave us all the options.. He knows we are going to make the wrong option that is why he gave us the law to follow.. He has written it in our hearth.. Nobody needs to teach you or tell you.. I know that even if the white man did not give us the bible, you will still know you are supposed to honour your father and mother or won't you?

elated177:



Lol... hilarious.

Oh!

You got those things you posted above from the web? Eeemm... who wrote them again?

Which people? Mention some names.

Following who blindly? Where and how did following factor into the question?

Google the Enuma elish.. It was written more than a thousand years before the bible was even written..