sonmvayina:


Animal sacrifice?.. I have a bible here.. What book and chapter?.. It was man out of his arrogance that thought he can please God.. So he gave them the animals they are to use..
The sacrifice was for unintentional sins.. And it must be a female goat, less than 1 year old.. Without blemish.. NEVER A HUMAN BEING to kill a human being Needlessly is forbidden by God.

Oh my Father in heaven! What a ludicrous statement!

So it was the Israelites that asked YHVH of Hosts to instruct them to carry out the animal sacrifice?

You thought that by putting it the way you did, you would deter me from pursuing it any further. Almost like you intended to dismiss the issue with a wave of the hand. You probably thought you had poured cold water on the issue, abi? Outrageous!

Just read the Torah - Genesis, Exodus, Liviticus, Numbers and Deutoronomy and educate yourself on the essence of sin offerings. Those things pointed to the Messiah's sacrifice. They all culminated in the once and for all death and resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah.

You are a confused fella.

Na only female goat!

You dabble into a lot of things. Traditional religion, Greek mythology, Babylonian mythology, etc. Why won't you be confused?

Better turn around and go to the Author of life, Yahushua the Messiah, for redemption and freedom. Stop those shadows you are chasing.

johnmba:
Have been wondering if there is a difference between the two. My reason is this: we believe that Jesus is God and in St. Paul's letter he said " Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Also Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit said " who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me".

So people is there any difference.

## (1).
YES.
Big difference like night and day. '
But ,Lets see the similarities first....
God is a title ('EL',meaning Mighty One) and 'Lord' (meaning Master) is a title too.
* 1 Cor 8:5,6. 'God' & Lord' are titles for God, for man and for Jesus Christ.
That is where the similarities ends.

# (2).
*Psalms 83:18, (KJV) Jehovah is the Most High God"
*John 17:3, Jesus says his Father is the Only True God..." 1 Cor 8:6, 'One God'
# (3)
* John 20:17 & Rev 3:5,12 ,Jesus says he is ascending to our God & Father & and his God &Father in heaven and earth (Jehovah the Most High).
Note : Jesus NEVER called himself God.
Jehovah has no God, no Father.
But, Jesus Christ has a Father and God above him in heaven and earth.
* Ephesians1:3, "Jehovah is the God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

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Acts 2:36, Jehovah God gave Jesus the title of "Lord".
John 10:34-36 ( KJV) Jehovah gave the title 'God' to man and to Jesus Christ.
Compare Psalm 82:1,6(KJV).
PROOF: Jesus is a God. Man is a God.
Both Jesus and man exist in the image of God. 1 Cor 4:4. Genesis1:27.

Matt 11:25,Jesus calls his God, "the Lord of heaven and earth," PROOF of Jesus inferiority to his God & Father.

# (5)
Psalm 110 :1 American Standard Version
(ASV)
Jehovah gives dominion to the king.
A Psalm of David.
110 Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at
my right hand,
Until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
* In heaven, Jehovah is giving a Command to Lord Jesus Christ "Sit at my right hand".
Jesus Christ is a divine being, a god. NOT the 'ONLY true God' his Father is.

The Trinity scam is the reason for your confusion.
Las,las the Trinity is a FRAUD.
Shine your eyes.

Ayoefa:


He was born and died just like any other human being. He bleed and felt pain like any other human being. He was a Prophet like Muhammed and other prophets. He's not God by any sense of imagination. You can call him your god if you wish, that's your problem.

It's quite surprising how the Muslims reason.

Since Jesus bleed, therefore He can't be God,

But your "bloodless" one leg (shin) Allah
Sura 68:42

With his two hands on his right hand side
Sura 5:64, Sahih Muslim 3:1458 No1827

Who has two eyes
52:48

Has no blood.
It's interesting to know your god has no blood.

Jesus is not just a man like you and me.

He was born without a human father
Sura 19:20

He was was not a prophet like Muhammad, because Muhammad was a sinner
Sura 48:2

Jesus never sinned!!!
Was pure 19:19

Jesus created bird and gave life to it and it becomes a living creature and Jesus can tell you the kind of food you store in your house
Sura 3:49.

Only God can create life and God has no helper.

sonmvayina:


What is the purpose of the jesus story? How is it beneficial to us?

Briefly: Genesis chapter 3 started another era in the history of mankind, by terminating the age of innocence for mankind and gave Satan a foothold on earth. God tried to solve the problem by the flood in the days of Noah but after the flood Noah brought cause back into existence.

Man created the problem, man must also be instrumental to the solution but because the seed was corrupted in Adam, anyone born of that seed is a partaker of the seen and cannot be a qualified candidate to solve the problem. He who is in the prison can not free himself except someone from outside do the needful.

Because of the corrupted seed, we need a new breed other than that of Adam to step into the matter. The Word of God which has been with God from the beginning volunteered to help mankind therefore, drop everything that made him God and took upon himself the nature of man so as to be perfectly identified with man...... So he was carried of a clean vessel, the Virgin Mary.... Jesus was a pure and uncorrupted soul who never shared from the sin of Adam and that gave him the ground to stand in the gap between Jehovah and mankind.

Thanks.

sonmvayina:


Do you even read and understand my post. God created us with the ability to choose.. He gave us all the options.. He knows we are going to make the wrong option that is why he gave us the law to follow.. He has written it in our hearth.. Nobody needs to teach you or tell you.. I know that even if the white man did not give us the bible, you will still know you are supposed to honour your father and mother or won't you?

I do understand your posts apart from those places where you're mentioning the names those storage gods and the the doctrines of UFOs.

sonmvayina:


Google the Enuma elish.. It was written more than a thousand years before the bible was even written..

Who has that kind of time?

I am getting fulfilment from my Father in heaven and his Word, his Son, Yahushua the Messiah.


What makes you think whatever such a person wrote weren't imaginations of his mind?

johnmba:


Your explanation contradict what John chapter 1 is saying.

Yeah Islamic teachings there

sonmvayina:


Do you even read and understand my post. God created us with the ability to choose.. He gave us all the options.. He knows we are going to make the wrong option that is why he gave us the law to follow.. He has written it in our hearth.. Nobody needs to teach you or tell you.. I know that even if the white man did not give us the bible, you will still know you are supposed to honour your father and mother or won't you?

Did you see the reason why I kept saying confusion, contradictions and lies?


At that point, God gave man a standing instruction and not choice! Read Gen 2:16 and 17. He told them what they must do.


God did not write his law in heart of man until the manifestations of Holy Spirit.

johnmba:
Have been wondering if there is a difference between the two. My reason is this: we believe that Jesus is God and in St. Paul's letter he said " Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Also Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit said " who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me".

So people is there any difference.

Firstly what you need to understand is that the Bible was translated to English by a Kingdom, the kingdom of Great Britain and the terminologies used there were terminologies common to their time such as "ye, thou, hast, Knew( to mean sleep with). To understand that you have to understand the way a kingdom operates

The term lord is a title somewhat similar to chief and king or head of the community , number 1 citizen and the king in England was sometimes referred to as my lord to address him, that applies in courts also because the judge is like the number 1 citizen in the court room. So a Lord is the most powerful person now for God , the term God means self-sufficient not needing anybody, anything , or anyone .

Whenever you read I am the LORD God, what the translators were doing is telling you the LORD( most powerful person, number one person) God ( who is self sufficient).


Also in the bible you see LORD and Lord telling you that there are two lords there but the most powerful is referenced to as LORD capital letter and the less powerful is small letter.

Lord is just a title that the English brought out, if it were the Norwegian language we spoke it may have been the word Chief.

Akpan107:

It's quite surprising how the Muslims reason.

Since Jesus bleed, therefore He can't be God,

But your "bloodless" one leg (shin) Allah
Sura 68:42

With his two hands on his right hand side
Sura 5:64, Sahih Muslim 3:1458 No1827

Who has two eyes
52:48

Has no blood.
It's interesting to know your god has no blood.

Jesus is not just a man like you and me.

He was born without a human father
Sura 19:20

He was was not a prophet like Muhammad, because Muhammad was a sinner
Sura 48:2

Jesus never sinned!!!
Was pure 19:19

Jesus created bird and gave life to it and it becomes a living creature and Jesus can tell you the kind of food you store in your house
Sura 3:49.

Only God can create life and God has no helper.

Please stop manipulating the word of Allah
Check what is written is different from what you are saying.

Qur'an [68:42]
The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able,-


Qur'an (5:64)

The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

Qur'an (52:48)
Now await in patience the command of thy Lord: for verily thou art in Our eyes: and celebrate the praises of thy Lord the while thou standest forth,

Qur'an(19:20)
Qalat anna yakoonu lee ghulamun walam yamsasnee basharun walam aku baghiyyan

She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

Qur'an(48:2)

That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;

sonmvayina:
Zenithplus and CanadaOrBust, you have been following my argument so far.. Just tell me where you think I missed it?.. Or making a mistake..

My point in a nut shell is that there was never any need for the jesus story.. God command was confess and forsake, I will forgive... No where he said he was sending his son to come and die.. When he has already provided a solution..

So, what are urs?

But I already asked u if u r sure u can keep the 700 odd commandments. If u can’t, You know why Jesus had to die for you

elated177:



Didn't you say that people could get guidance from their ancestors?

This universal book of history you keeping throwing all over the place like a hypnotized peacock, did you write it yourself or were you there when it was written?

You work so assiduously to discredit the great and awesome Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts - effort in utter futility - and still brandish the universal book of history like it fell into your lap from the sky.

The scripture of Yahweh isn't anything near greatness or awesomeness. It's just a mere book of lies. The book of truth is here already to overthrow such body of lies. The Book of Universal History didn't fall from the sky, it is being revealed to me and others you don't know, in several kinds of languages such as the Seriot language, etc.
You said hypnotised peacock and it got me laughing. But truth be told, the beauty of the book is greater than the beauty of a peacock in a million times. May the Light of God Almighty which created Jehovah your god reveal the truth to you. Peace.

elated177:


Who has that kind of time?

I am getting fulfilment from my Father in heaven and his Word, his Son, Yahushua the Messiah.


What makes you think whatever such a person wrote weren't imaginations of his mind?

See you now. U don't want to read the Enuma Elish, but you want everyone to see the bible(Greatest book of lies) as the true book. Hmm.

OtemAtum:
See you now. U don't want to read the Enuma Elish, but you want everyone to see the bible(Greatest book of lies) as the true book. Hmm.

I can’t believe u and sonmvayina are referring people to that thing. That is one of the most childish clumsy creation story I’ve ever seen. What has it to do with Lord Jesus??

CanadaOrBust:


I can’t believe u and sonmvayina are referring people to that thing. That is one of the most childish clumsy creation story I’ve ever seen. What has it to do with Lord Jesus??

It existed a thousand years before the bible. It predated your bible, so it's something of interest. The bible copied its creation account. Go check that out.

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The truth still remains that Jesus is just a fictional character... A Roman creation.. God is the divine consciousness personified.. Not a man or human being.. God is existence itself.. [/quote

When the God of Israel said that Israel was his inheritance, who was talking? God or Jesus? When Moses and the 70 elders saw the God of Israel, who did they see? When in exodus 23 from V 20, and God was introducing the Angel to the Israelites that the angel should be obeyed and served, who was he talking about? Daniel saw the son of man being brought to the ancient of days, who was that? Stephen saw the heavens opened and saw Jesus standing by the right hand of the father and Stephen said, I see the son of man standing on the right side of the God, was it fabricated? Who was the captain of the host that appeared to Joshua? Shall I continue? Who appeared to Gideon, And to Manoah wife, the mother of Samson, who appeared to Abraham on the mountain? Who appeared to Hagar? The son of man has no where to lay his head. Isaiah, Ezekiel all saw him and yet Jesus said that no one has seen God at any time. Ponder quietly

OtemAtum:


It existed a thousand years before the bible. It predated your bible, so it's something of interest. The bible copied its creation account. Go check that out.

That is ridiculous. Where in the Bible do u see gods creating gods and them fighting the gods they created and being defeated by gods they created. A totally childish, primitive, ridiculous story and u r directing people to it and comparing it with the Bible!!

CanadaOrBust:


That is ridiculous. Where in the Bible do u see gods creating gods and them fighting the gods they created and being defeated by gods they created. A totally childish, primitive, ridiculous story and u r directing people to it and comparing it with the Bible!!

The bible is trying to make one of the gods(Yahweh by name) to look like the Almighty God, but of sincerity, Yahweh is just one of them and he knows his creator. I know the creator of Yahweh too.

OtemAtum:


The bible is trying to make one of the gods(Yahweh by name) to look like the Almighty God, but of sincerity, Yahweh is just one of them and he knows his creator. I know the creator of Yahweh too.

They are all stories, but at least the Bible creation story is logical. Just imagine if the Bible says God and his wife created another god and that god defeated God and then God’s wife created other gods and married one of them! That’s the story u r directing people to!!

OtemAtum:


The bible is trying to make one of the gods(Yahweh by name) to look like the Almighty God, but of sincerity, Yahweh is just one of them and he knows his creator. I know the creator of Yahweh too.

So who is the creator and who created the creator? And did u ask him how he picked u of all people to reveal this to? Also ask him to give u some numbers so u can win the lottery and make a few million bucks so you’d be able to massively propagate his message

johnmba:


Your explanation contradict what John chapter 1 is saying.

the bible is full of contradictions. It's edited over 5k times, so expect the contradictions.

johnmba:
Have been wondering if there is a difference between the two. My reason is this: we believe that Jesus is God and in St. Paul's letter he said " Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Also Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit said " who am I that the mother of my Lord should visit me".

So people is there any difference.

you're confused. God has no son.

Snowale:
I said bring out an unambiguous statement out of your Bible, that Jesus said 'I am God' or 'worship me', if truly Jesus is God and he want us to worship him, it would clearly be stated several in the Bible.

it was stated when Jesus said I and my father are one! Skeptics like you tried to stone him for saying that, refusing to accept Jesus as the same as God is the greatest undoing of anyone who believes in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was and is the express image of God the father, God in flesh. Immediately Jesus rose from death it became impossible to access God if not through him. He said no man can come to the father except through me. He is the word of God that was spoken of in this verse "In the beginning Was the word and the word was God and without him nothing was made that was made.

chimaobinelson:
your brain is full of shit, so is your spiritual understanding.
God has hidden himself and deep things from you, just like He did to pharoh and socalled wisemen n scribes

Your brain might be full of knowledge, but the devil have hidden the truth away from you.

Mftivi:
it was stated when Jesus said I and my father are one! Skeptics like you tried to stone him for saying that, refusing to accept Jesus as the same as God is the greatest undoing of anyone who believes in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was and is the express image of God the father, God in flesh. Immediately Jesus rose from death it became impossible to access God if not through him. He said no man can come to the father except through me. He is the word of God that was spoken of in this verse "In the beginning Was the word and the word was God and without him nothing was made that was made.

what he meant by I am my father are one is, he and God speaks of the same thing. That's why I said give me an unambiguous statement in the Bible in which Jesus himself said 'I am God' or 'Worship me'.

If truly he is God and needed to be worshipped, I would be clearly stated in the Bible, with no ambiguity, cause by various writers and christain scholars.

After the book of Moses, stating the commandments, was the more compiled Bible, then the most compiled teachings of God, the Qur'an, which deals with everything in our daily lives, clearly stated all truth, that of Jesus misconceptions and also talked about other prophet before Jesus.

Snowale:
what he meant by I am my father are one is, he and God speaks of the same thing. That's why I said give me an unambiguous statement in the Bible in which Jesus himself said 'I am God' or 'Worship me'.

If truly he is God and needed to be worshipped, I would be clearly stated in the Bible, with no ambiguity, cause by various writers and christain scholars.

After the book of Moses, stating the commandments, was the more compiled Bible, then the most compiled teachings of God, the Qur'an, which deals with everything in our daily lives, clearly stated all truth, that of Jesus misconceptions and also talked about other prophet before Jesus.

Jesus said I am the way the truth and life no one goes to my father expect by me. The Bible says about him that He was the only begotten son of God until through his death man can be now be adopted to that sonship by faith in Christ Jesus. The Bible said that his name Jesus have been exalted above every other name and at the mention of his name all knees must bow. Nothing of such was said about any prophet in the Bible.

Mftivi:
Jesus said I am the way the truth and life no one goes to my father expect by me. The Bible says about him that He was the only begotten son of God until through his death man can be now be adopted to that sonship by faith in Christ Jesus. The Bible said that his name Jesus have been exalted above every other name and at the mention of his name all knees must bow. Nothing of such was said about any prophet in the Bible.

more was said about the final prophet, Mohammed (PBUH), right from Moses(ASW), to Jesus(ASW), to Mohammed (SAW), they are blessed prophet with miracles, Just like Bible talks about all prophet before Jesus and also Jesus, the Qur'an talks about all that in the Bible and the new age.

During the time of Moses, No one goes to the father except true Moses(teachings), when Jesus came, no one goes to God except through him(Bible), then the final Messanger, today no one goes to God except through Prophet Mohammed teaching.

Snowale:
more was said about the final prophet, Mohammed (PBUH), right from Moses(ASW), to Jesus(ASW), to Mohammed (SAW), they are blessed prophet with miracles, Just like Bible talks about all prophet before Jesus and also Jesus, the Qur'an talks about all that in the Bible and the new age.

During the time of Moses, No one goes to the father except true Moses(teachings), when Jesus came, no one goes to God except through him(Bible), then the final Messanger, today no one goes to God except through Prophet Mohammed teaching.

Well, a prophet greater than Muhammad said “I am not fit to tie his(Jesus) shoes.” So he is clearly more than a prophet. Also about 1700 years ago 318 people who spent all their lives studying the Bible gathered in Nicea and voted that Jesus and the Father are of one substance, one God in 3 persons. How can u and me know better 318 consummate Bible specialists

CanadaOrBust:


So who is the creator and who created the creator? And did u ask him how he picked u of all people to reveal this to? Also ask him to give u some numbers so u can win the lottery and make a few million bucks so you’d be able to massively propagate his message

The creator is Mirosh. It is the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE. Yahweh your god is created by the CREATOR and beyond that, nobody knows.
How did the CREATOR pick me of all people to reveal this? Well, Atum the brother of Yahweh is the one who chose me to do this and why is it me that was chosen of all people? It's a privilege. The same privilege enjoyed by Dangote to be the richest in Africa of all people. The same privilege enjoyed by Messi and Ronaldo to be the WORLD BEST FOOTBALLERS(the GOATs) of all people. The privilege enjoyed by Michael Jackson to be a very great musician.
God Almighty, the CREATOR of Yahweh doesn't give lottery, same way Yahweh, the created being didn't give lottery. Life doesn't run on the principle of the creator supplying you with lottery numbers, Bet9ja predictions, etc. In life, you do things with your own brain. It's a psycho physical world my brother. To massively propagate this message, I don't need to even know how to do a single MIRACLE. All I need to do is to WRITE down the message, die and go to my afterlife and then watch from there how in the future humans will start to be evolved in their minds after reading the true texts in them. I am not even in a hurry to see humans showing interest, because this revelation is suspposed to be massively considered starting from the year 2625. Peace.

CanadaOrBust:


They are all stories, but at least the Bible creation story is logical. Just imagine if the Bible says God and his wife created another god and that god defeated God and then God’s wife created other gods and married one of them! That’s the story u r directing people to!!

Just imagine saying that God created two beings Adam and Eve and for the very first time they disobeyed him, he rejected them and sent them out of his presence and later he regretted creating human, destroyed them with flood and eventually humans are in danger of being turned into everlasting fire. Lol. Is it this kind of story you call a logical story?

Jehovah your god must really be high on Edo weed to have really propagated this kind of philosophy. No wonder he and his colleagues were easily defeated and confined in a spiritual cage by the beings who support science.

OtemAtum:


The creator is Mirosh. It is the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE. Yahweh your god is created by the CREATOR and beyond that, nobody knows.
How did the CREATOR pick me of all people to reveal this? Well, Atum the brother of Yahweh is the one who chose me to do this and why is it me that was chosen of all people? It's a privilege. The same privilege enjoyed by Dangote to be the richest in Africa of all people. The same privilege enjoyed by Messi and Ronaldo to be the WORLD BEST FOOTBALLERS(the GOATs) of all people. The privilege enjoyed by Michael Jackson to be a very great musician.
God Almighty, the CREATOR of Yahweh doesn't give lottery, same way Yahweh, the created being didn't give lottery. Life doesn't run on the principle of the creator supplying you with lottery numbers, Bet9ja predictions, etc. In life, you do things with your own brain. It's a psycho physical world my brother. To massively propagate this message, I don't need to even know how to do a single MIRACLE. All I need to do is to WRITE down the message, die and go to my afterlife and then watch from there how in the future humans will start to be evolved in their minds after reading the true texts in them. I am not even in a hurry to see humans showing interest, because this revelation is suspposed to be massively considered starting from the year 2625. Peace.

Why doesn’t this creator appear here to all mankind and tell them he is the creator? Why does he have to rely on lowly you with an internet moniker on Seun’s NL? And why wait till 2625? And 1.5 million earths can fit in the sun. 200 billion suns in the galaxy, 100 billion galaxies in the universe, then there are likely infinite number of universes. Someone who created all that is preoccupied with u?!

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Akpan107:

It's quite surprising how the Muslims reason.

Since Jesus bleed, therefore He can't be God,

But your "bloodless" one leg (shin) Allah
Sura 68:42

With his two hands on his right hand side
Sura 5:64, Sahih Muslim 3:1458 No1827

Who has two eyes
52:48

Has no blood.
It's interesting to know your god has no blood.

Jesus is not just a man like you and me.

He was born without a human father
Sura 19:20

He was was not a prophet like Muhammad, because Muhammad was a sinner
Sura 48:2

Jesus never sinned!!!
Was pure 19:19

Jesus created bird and gave life to it and it becomes a living creature and Jesus can tell you the kind of food you store in your house
Sura 3:49.

Only God can create life and God has no helper.

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TRASH upon TRASH..

so you tried to quote parts (incorrectly ) of the Quran to justify your childish infantile illogical beliefs but you left out the part where the same Quran told you that there's only one God and he's not Jesus or anyone born of a woman...what an oxymoron.

You also forgot to add where it also says that you should worship no one but Allah. You can't belief in one part of a book and leave out the part that doesn't jive with your illogical thoughts.

Common sense should tell you by now that Jesus had a father and a mother.....all that abracadabra immaculate conception is just one big fat lie.
Jesus was born just like you and me, he was a prophet and nothing more. Stop worshiping a human being like you.