post=84543773:
Na criminals full dis ASUU sha.

Whether you guys like it or not, y'all will be captured on IPPIS.

A new and transparent Nigeria is what we voted for.
No more business as usual .

God bless Nigeria.

Why re those ones mentioned not included? Anyway na those professors give them body see finish cuz if they refuse to rig elections they won’t be messing up with them, idiots in high places

post=84543773:
Na criminals full dis ASUU sha.

Whether you guys like it or not, y'all will be captured on IPPIS.

A new and transparent Nigeria is what we voted for.
No more business as usual .

God bless Nigeria.

Have you considered their argument?

Please, Quit Misleading The Public. Universities Remit To The Government.

Arsenella007:


God,na wah.. Simple Google would help. CBN generates money from alot of ways and remits it to the Federation account..or consolidated revenue account. Universities never remit to the government, so don't even say that. Ndic generates and remits.. Please get your facts right before you argue.. I'm tired of answering this over and over

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/lifestyle/103423/cbn-highest-revenue-generating-agency-accountant-general.html

IPPIS will introduce massive corruption into the university system. I hope the federal government sees reasons with ASUU and shelve that idea of having the lecturers enrolled in IPPIS.

ANTONINEUTRON:
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff

Many ghost lecturers

bluefilm:


I know that in my school now, school fees are paid through Remitta.

Remitta = TSA.

That is your proof!

That your school uses remita doesn't necessarily mean it's going into the TSA account..


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Arsenella007:


There is no proof of that sir..

you're grossly ignorant on this subject matter.

Ask questions first or you do a little resesrch before embarrassing yourself on the forum

sinkhole:
this guy is "absolute ignoramus"
External PG examiners come from outside the institution where the program resides, this is to ensure that proper things are being done through what is called pier review process.

dey school needs to pay dat not federal government

shogz89:
that's CBN's profit and loss account for 2017.. Over 100 billion profit. I think that should answer your question

You didn't answer the question.
What work do they do to make 100billion Naira profit?

shadeyinka:

Please what work does CBN or NDIC do to generate money?


At least lecturers Teach, do research, publish papers and supervise students.

shadeyinka:

Please what work does CBN or NDIC do to generate money?


At least lecturers Teach, do research, publish papers and supervise students.

My God. Are you serious?

henryobinna:
you're grossly ignorant on this subject matter.

Ask questions first or you do a little resesrch before embarrassing yourself on the forum

Mr know all Oya educate me instead of sounding condescending

ASUU could be right to say all other government bodies should be captured too on IPPIS( *including our governors, senators and Presidency)....However, I also believe all the other things they mentioned whereby salaries needed to be paid can still be handled by their IGR...Nigeria is almost with 200m people( including foreigners) and we know how many people apply for admission into federal universities/institutions and many rejected ( for BSc, Masters etc). Fees are no longer cheap with the average from N40,000-100,000 apart from Post JAMB and Acceptance fees....compare with a country like Cameroon with just about 8 government institutions and about 250 private institutions with fees starting from N185,000 and a population of 25million persons...u see that there is a possibility of raising money for those extra payments of adhoc staff if they are really sincere..... these are institutions that rarely offer students scholarships/part payment of fees option/ part time work to helping out( orphans/poor students) with their studies and within them we still hear of corruption and looming strike.....they will still have to follow what government wants, if not the students will suffer this and may be ASUU members if they are sacked.

What edoairways. Is saying is very correct, they remit all those payments via, TSA, go check remita. Website

Arsenella007:


There is no proof of that sir..

Arsenella007:


My God. Are you serious?

Very very serious!

They don't have to advertise, do they?
Why?
'cause the don't have a product!

Ok

ANTONINEUTRON:
Can someone explain to me why ASUU don't want this IPPIS stuff

But that was what the article just did.

EasternActivist:


Same reason why CBN and some top parastatals ain't in ippis

They generate revenue, what they spend on salaries and other running cost is far less than the revenue generated. Unfortunately most of the Federal government owned Universities are financially independent.

seguntijan:
Aspects not captured by the IPPIS:
As submitted by Abubakar Sabo, ASUU Chair UDUS:
1. Provision for external examination for PhD and MSC students.
2. Provision for the payment of External assessment to which many would not have benefitted from and become professors.
3. Provision for casual staff such as those cleaners and gardeners that keep the university environment clean.
4. Provision for adjunct and part time lecturers who are professionals in their field but could not take full time appointment because they are already working elsewhere.
5. Provision for international experts who would want to come from world recognised universities to come and establish new programs in our universities and share their wealth of experience with us.
6. Provision for post graduate supervision which was completely removed from the platform
The fact of the matter is that the government is saying universities should use their IGR to cater for all these and should this become a reality, universities will be left with no option but to re introduce tuition fees and charge higher fees from the students. Then we will now know that an average Nigerian cannot afford higher education again. That is world bank policy for you. The general idea is to localise our universities and make them unaccessible globally all in the name of a policy for payments of salary.
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/11/30/ASUU-queries-fg-why-are-staff-of-cbn-ndic-firs-not-on-ippis/

Internally generated revenue from the Universities can be used to fund the items listed

Arsenella007:
Until universities are able to generate revenue and remit some percentage to the Federal government, then they can have financial autonomy. The government pays and bankrolls everything in the Universities, without getting any monetary returns from the said Universities so the government can dictate and decide what gives.. Simple.. The above mentioned organisations do generate and remit to the government.

Where all the school fees, acceptances fee, all the fees the universities charge go to?

THE MISCONCEPTION OF ASUUS POSITION ON IPPIS

It is no longer news that there is a brewing war between the Federal Government of Nigeria and the Academic Staff Union of Universities on IPPIS. The former insists that the latters members must be captured on the platform of the IPPIS if they wish to receive salaries henceforth. ASUU says no based on some fundamental issues while the FGN believes that ASUU is guilty of insubordination. The stage is thus set for a clash of the titans.
In view of the above scenario, I wish to explain certain things the way I understand them. First and foremost, I wish to explain Academic Freedom and University Autonomy based on the proceedings of the International Conference on Academic Freedom and University Autonomy held in Sinaia, Romania, from 5 to 7 May 1992. The Conference was organized by CEPES, the UNESCO European Center for Higher Education, the Standing Conference of Rectors, Presidents, and Vice-Chancellors of the European Universities (CRE), the National Rectors' Conference of Romania (NRCR), and the Romanian National Commission for UNESCO, in cooperation with the Council of Europe. The conference brought together some 180 distinguished scholars, including representatives of international organizations, from about 30 countries.

After thorough debates, the participants in the Conference all agreed that:
a university is the repository of truth, be it historical, cultural, or scientific; it is the place where minds, embarking on the quest for truth, meet and clash in pursuit of this ideal. Minds so-fashioned are the individual carriers and transmitters of past and future thought, of tradition, and of innovation. The university, by its very nature, is the collective mind that bears the truth of all who pass through it, continuously revising and improving scientific knowledge and concepts in a climate of and according to the principle of truthfulness. It is the place where the scholarly elite, the critical intellectual mind of a society, takes shape, discards obsolete findings, and affirms and reassesses other interpretations of truth. In order to function as a hotbed of knowledge, a university must benefit from and respect a number of basic norms of conduct. Although not a fundamental human right; academic freedom is a basic university right. Academics must be free to choose what they will put forward in their teaching, research, or publications. Academic freedom is the freedom of individual academics to follow a particular path of intellectual conception and activity within particular higher education institutions. The second crucial institutional right of a higher education institution is university autonomy. It is the right to fully exercise and practice academic freedom and self-government with regard to internal activities. It is the right of a university to be free of interference by the state and by any other external power as regards its operations and affairs. (https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000092770 accessed 28 November, 2019)

Back home in Nigeria, there are provisions guiding the operations of universities. There is the Principle of University Autonomy as enshrined in section 2AA of the Universities Miscellaneous Provisions (Amendment) Act 2003 which states that:

"The powers of the Council shall be exercised, as in the law and statutes of each university and to that extent, establishment circulars that are inconsistent with the laws and statutes of the university shall not apply to the universities.
Section 2AAA of the same Act states:
“(1) The Governing Council of a university shall be free in the discharge of its functions and exercise of its responsibilities for the common management, growth and development of the university.
"(2) The council of a university in the discharge of its functions shall ensure that disbursement of funds of the university complies with the approved budgetary ratio for:
(a) Personnel costs;
(b) Overhead costs;
(c) Research and development;
(d) library development; and
(e) The balance in expenditure between academic vis-à-vis non-academic activities.

"For example, the 1992 Act of the University of Abuja expressly states in Section 6: Functions of the Council and its Finance and General Purposes Committee:
(1) Subject to the provisions of this Act relating to the Visitor, the Council shall be the governing body of each university and shall be charged with the general control and superintendence of the policy, finance and property of the university including its public relations. There shall be a committee of the Council to be known as the Finance and General Purposes Committee, which shall, subject to the directions of the Council, exercise control over the property and expenditure of the university and perform such other functions of the Council as the Council may, from time to time, delegate to it".

Going through the above objectively will make any unbiased reader understand the position of ASUU better. It is said that people will revolt when they have nothing to lose but their chains. There are peculiarities in universities and that is why it is called the ivory tower. We should look beyond ethnic, political and religious affiliations in this issue. It is a procedural as well as systemic issue. Let us look beyond PMB. The resistance is never against him.

Some people say that ASUU is selfish. I do not understand what they mean by that. In 1992, when Professor Jega was the ASUU president, he took on IBB on the funding of university education. IBB said that there was no money and Jega and his team came up with a proposal that multi-national companies and industries should be made to pay a percentage of their yearly profits for the development of education. It was called education trust fund. The government implemented the proposal and she realised a lot of money which she distributed to primary, secondary and tertiary institutions in the country. It is now called TETfund. No public university can survive in Nigeria today if we remove TETfund. The major thing the government does for universities now is the payment of salaries. Apart from this, you can talk of Needs Assessment which may not be more than two buildings per university.

Some other people ask, How can employees tell their employers how they should be paid? This is having a misconception about governance. No Dangotes employee can tell him how he is to be paid. The government oversees our collective wealth. Nigeria is not a company. We should stop seeing those who manage our collective wealth as people doing us a favour. It is a very wrong mentality. That is why we always send emissaries to our Governors to thank them whenever they perform duties they promise to perform during campaigns and are elected to perform. This makes them have a false sense of grandeur instead of seeing us as their employers.

Others say that in the developed world, where universities enjoy autonomy, the universities generate the money with which they run the universities. That is why they believe that ASUU should not talk about autonomy. I wish to ask them these questions: Doesnt National Assembly have autonomy? Do they generate their own money? What about the Judiciary and the likes? Moreover, education is a social service which government renders. If we say universities must become income generating institutions I wonder how many children will have access to university education.

As you read this, the National Assembly is neither on TSA nor being captured on IPPIS platform. Let us forget the fact that some of them may not meet our expectations but their autonomy is sacrosanct for the growth of our democracy. If the autonomy is taken away we will become a banana republic.

The Army is not on IPPIS. The Navy is not on it. The DIC is not there. NDDC is not there. Why the hues and cries about those who need autonomy most? When they talk of the cream of any society they talk about universities and other tertiary institutions. Some may say what about other professionals? Other professionals are equally produced by the same institutions whose autonomy ASUU is fighting to protect.

Out of lack of adequate information, some say ASUU is selfish. According to such people, they are selfish because they want to be visiting two universities and be collecting double salary! They say further that ASUU members go on sabbatical when they collect more money for doing nothing. Some others say that instead of those Professors working up to 70 years they should retire normally at 35 or 60 on the account of service and age respectively.

I wish to explain the above misconceptions to a layman. Visiting other universities means that you go and teach there at least twice a month. You are paid 50% of the basic salary you receive in your place of primary employment. You cannot visit if your rank is below Senior Lecturer. And to become a senior lecturer you must have gone through the ranks of a GA, AL, L2& L1. So how many lecturers do you think can partake in the so called visiting?

Sabbatical is almost always for the Associate Professors and Professors and sometimes Senior Lecturers. This is because of the fact that it is the professorial cadre that is in short supply. Moreover, you can only go on sabbatical once in seven years. How many seven years do you think we can get in the service years of someone who is a Senior Lecturer or a Professor?

On the retirement age, tertiary institutions are not like where they deal with files and the stuff like that. They are places where people do specialised intellectual work. You can compare them to lawyers who have to read till they drop dead. They are not places where you retire people whose places can hardly be filled at the age of 60. They are the people who carry out researches to better the lots of the society. In fact, in developed world, university Dons rarely retire. It is not because they like money but because they are not tired of moulding the young minds. We say lecturers should retire at 60 but they can be senator at 80! It is very funny. For our information, Nigerian lecturers are the least paid and the least remunerated in the world. You can take this claim to the bank. Outside Nigeria, even in African universities, the templates they use are straightforward. Each cadre has a number of hours to teach per session. Anything above that is calculated as excess work load. However, it is not calculated like that in Nigeria. That is why we have brain drain in the country. And our politicians are the highest paid in the world. What an irony! A professor in Nigeria, after many years of reading and research, does not go home with ₦500,000!

The IPPIS does not make provisions for external examiners for PhD and other postgraduate students. It does not make provision for the payment of External assessors for promotions to the ranks of associate professors and professors. There is no provision for casual staff such as cleaners and gardeners who keep the environment clean. There is no provision for adjunct and part time lecturers who are professionals in their field but could not take full time appointment because they are already working elsewhere. There is no provision for international experts who would want to come from world recognised universities to come and establish new programs in our universities and share their wealth of experience with us. There is no provision for post graduate supervision which has been completely removed from the IPPIS platform. All these are against the norms in universities world over. The government insists that the universities use internally generated revenues to cater for all the above. That means the universities are to increase fees that are already difficult for many students to afford except children of those who have access to free money.
ASUU is not asking for total autonomy as it is. The universities are administered by Governing Councils constituted by the President. The members are appointed by the President with Vice Chancellors and Registrars as members and secretaries respectively. ASUU has just two people representing it through the senate of a university. This is to show that the control of universities is still in the hand of the President who is the Visitor to those universities. What ASUU is asking for is a template that captures the peculiarities of universitys operations and to be so controlled by the organs stipulated and recognised for the purpose by the relevant act and not by the office of a civil servant. If we claim that we do not think that ASUU has a case it means we are not being fair and objective.

The university is the only constituency in this country whose members do not defend wrong things. When a staff violates a rule, he or she is shown the way out. ASUU will never defend erring members. ASUU condemns whatever sane people condemn. University Professors have been serving as Returning Officers during elections. We always say look at this professor who is expected to be independent! What do you think will happen if their salaries are to be paid from a single platform being controlled by the office of a civil servant? Think about it.

It is good to fight corruption and a greater percentage of workers in our universities are in support of the fight against corruption. If not for the fight against corruption the salaries we are talking about now wouldnt have been there anymore. However, we cannot cut our nose to spite our face. We should not look at ASUU from a greedy perspective. It is the only voice we have now. It is the only union that has refused to allow ethnicity, politics and religion to polarize it. If it allows ethnicity, politics or religion to polarize it the northern universities should be supporting the enrolment by now. When we talk about them we should do so with consideration. We should not have pictures of only the bad eggs. We should have pictures of those whom God used to make us what we are, and to some extent, make us who we are. We should note that many of them are parts of the struggle to liberate Nigeria and Nigerians and they are here with us even on this Ayo Ojeniyis wall.

Arsenella007:


You are not in the university system so you don't know what you are saying. The universities generate alot of money, I mean millions.. They don't remit nothing to the government, yet the government pays salaries, provides tetfund for research, infrastructure, also research grants that's is not accounted for, etc.. What happens to the school fees, the acceptance fees, the other IGRs? Most universities don't even pay the allowances the are supposed to pay their workers, cut their salaries..

Yes, they generate money! But how do you think they pay for the maintenance of the university? How do you think those buildings with no TETFUND written on them come into fray? How do you think they handle the miscellaneous daily dealings? You may know a lot about universities, but I doubt if you fully know how it runs!

Corruption is everywhere, universities inclusive! But I can say its level in the universities is very low compared to that of the other parastatals, and this cannot be corrected with IPPIS. Please do well to read the Autonomy act of 2007, communiques released by ASUU and as well go through a long page write up by the JAMB registrar, you'll have a better grasp of the situation, I believe.

Shalom.

seguntijan:
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PROF OLOYEDE ON IPPIS

Earlier, you acknowledged stable academic calendar this year, as there has been no strike. But one is brewing already with the FG/ASUU face off over the Integrated Payment and Personnel Information System (IPPIS). As somebody who has vast experience in the university administration, in what way are you advising the government to handle this matter?


Frankly speaking, my response to this question is not as JAMB Registrar, it is as a Professor from a university and as somebody who had managed the university and who has also been President of Association of African Universities and has a fair view of what goes on in the university all over the world. This is because I served on the governing boards of the Association of Commonwealth Universities as well as International Association of Universities. Besides, I am widely travelled when it comes to university administration. I will caution the Federal Government about IPPIS. The government should be cautious because IPPIS might do more damage to the University system than good. My own position is that we are swinging between one extreme to the other. Prior to 2005, no university got direct allocation from the government; we used to defend our budget with the National Universities Commission (NUC).

It is the NUC that regulates, controls, supervises and monitors everything. Now, because our colleagues felt that NUC was too overbearing, they decided to have direct interface with the National Assembly and the national purse. This is one of the consequences of such complaints about NUC being accused of being overbearing. I believe that if you look at the analysis of government expenditure on universities, prior to 2005 and after 2005, go and compare, there has been lawlessness since 2005 because what you get into the university is no longer a product of what you need, but a product of lobbying and so many dirty things that go along with lobbying. It is no longer regulated. When NUC was regulating, we had parameters, size of the university, age of the university, Science-Arts parameter and the growth rate. Then, there was the University System Annual Review Meeting (USARM) where every Vice-Chancellor accounted for every kobo given to his school to the NUC.
The NUC would harvest this review to serve as basis for its recommendation for budget allocation for all the federal universities. Now, we have dismantled that structure and every university now handles matter individually independent of NUC, which is not even cost effective. If you analyse how much every Vice-Chancellor spends in coming to and from Abuja on the issue of contacting National Assembly or contacting IPPIS, they are not only spending money, they are learning new tricks about corruption. This is because, yes, many people may say universities are corrupt, yet no sane person will assert that the universities are more corrupt than the public service. Civil service is stinking about corruption and the universities are still sane. But by the time we allow the undue and unregulated intermingling, you are going to transfer this poisonous dose into the university system and they are going to be the worse for it as they (universities) have the intellectual capacity to package the corruption. It is something that we need to look into! Many people raised the issue that some Vice-Chancellors were prosecuted. What was the outcome of the prosecutions? I did not find any one of them that was not set free.
The court said that by the rules of the University, they have not done anything wrong. All the noise in the media is when they are being tried. But when the court sets them free, nobody hears about it. There was the case of somebody who was serving President of the AAU (and Vice-Chancellor); you know the impact of the trial of such a person on the nation. We were really shocked and after the man went through all the horror, only for the court to say nothing was found against him after the name of the country and the University was almost permanently damaged. So, what we are saying is that there are in-built mechanisms for addressing the issue of corruption in the university system. Let us activate those mechanisms, let us make sure that NUC is made to play both supervisory and regulatory role on federal universities. They have regulatory roles over all universities but they have both supervisory and regulatory roles on Federal Universities and that is what we are saying they should activate.

Analysis by Prof. Oloyede on IPPIS

aptly said

ogtavia:


If you say NNPC generates money for the FG, yeah, true, if you say NPA generates money for the FG yeah, true, but the CBN's core mandate doesn't include generating money for the FG rather it manages the FG's funds and the economy. How can it remit money to itself?

NDIC is Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation and it's mandate doesnt include making money for the FG.

Of course there are services these agencies provide through which IGR comes in, some of which are remitted to government and the other percentage utilised by these agencies as required. But they do not necessarily make money for the government.

Equating these agencies to the university somehow answers ASUU questions about IPPIS. Universities have internally generated revenues atimes worth billions, some of which are remitted to the government but they are not listed as money making agencies for government. So if the CBN, NDIC are allegedly exempted from IPPIS, why not universities?

Wow. So explicit!
And now that all Federal parastatals run on TSA, even for the universities to access the IGR, they still need to consult the government, so, why the fuss?!

Well, let's just see if government will be able to answer those trifling questions!

Arsenella007:


God,na wah.. Simple Google would help. CBN generates money from alot of ways and remits it to the Federation account..or consolidated revenue account. Universities never remit to the government, so don't even say that. Ndic generates and remits.. Please get your facts right before you argue.. I'm tired of answering this over and over

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/lifestyle/103423/cbn-highest-revenue-generating-agency-accountant-general.html

You need to read about Universities and funding sir. Since the issue of TSA, all monies go through the federal government.

edoairways:

If they join be ready for increment in tuition fees

Simple!

shadeyinka:

You didn't answer the question.
What work do they do to make 100billion Naira profit?

don't you know how to read financial statements ni, check the screen shot,, you will see where the profit is coming from now.. Or you want me to be explaining each lines for you?

Arsenella007:


God,na wah.. Simple Google would help. CBN generates money from alot of ways and remits it to the Federation account..or consolidated revenue account. Universities never remit to the government, so don't even say that. Ndic generates and remits.. Please get your facts right before you argue.. I'm tired of answering this over and over

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/lifestyle/103423/cbn-highest-revenue-generating-agency-accountant-general.html

So, you never heard of single treasury account? Well, through it, every penny from fees and charges in the federal universities are remitted to the FG. You can't say, therefore, that universities don't generate or remit money to the FG. Also, the education tax fund does leave a humongous amount of money in the hands of the FG, and this money is politically managed by the government in power. Please, know it that education is a serious business, more serious than the FIRs and NDIC combined. It is only when a nation parades uneducated leaders that it plays pin pong games with education.

Arsenella007:


Ha! Na wah o.. Abeg try and do your research before u ask this kind of questions o.. Both CBN and NDIC does generate and remit money to the Federal government

https://ndic.gov.ng/senate-lauds-ndic-for-regular-remittance-to-consolidated-revenue-fund/

Did you even read the link you posted or you don't understand what's written there?
How did remitting surplus which is a fiscal requirement become revenue remittance

Xisnin:

I hope you are not really in the university system!
It isn't a rocket science to compare university revenue with their expenditure.
It doesn't require emotions or lashing out to do just pure numbers.

What exactly does "millions" or "a lot of money" mean?

I would have taken you seriously if you called for total privatization of the universities
so that the government can be free of all obligations.

Public universities are like public hospitals, they were not primarily designed for profit.

You are very correct! Why would you expect schools to become money making machines! It's not done! @Arsenal007 is really arguing where there's no argument!!

backnbeta:

You need to read about Universities and funding sir. Since the issue of TSA, all monies go through the federal government.

Okay sir

sinkhole:
if federal universities are commercialized like all the private universities, how many people in Nigeria could afford #1million naira tuition fee per session? In some of the federal universities, they pay as low as #75,000 per session and people still complain they can't afford it!

What?! 75k for where? Most Federal Universities pay below 30k, except for 100 levels that are newly admitted that pay slightly higher.

EasternActivist:


Same reason why CBN and some top parastatals ain't in ippis

When next you catch a thief, release him and let him go because there are thousands of thieves free on the streets. It is ASUU today, tomorrow it will be CBN, FIRS, NNPC, e.t.c.. It is the employer that says how he wants to pay you, it is not you the employee that will tell the employer how the employer should pay you. The IPPIS is one of the great initiatives of the ineffectual buffoon Goatluck Jonathan and the puff-puff cheeked world bank fraudster Ngozi Okonjo-Iwealla, but the two thieves do not have the political will to implement it because it will open even their own skeletons. Now the people's general is implementing it and you are saying nonsense. Just know that Buhari will not shift ground, if you doubt it, then ask El-Zakzaky, Dasuki Sambo and Sowore.