Daejoyoung:

ok quick question, when the son was on earth, was he God? lf yes, didn't he have a body, soul, and spirit? so by your analogy did it ultimately become 5 persons in one God?

The Word became Human (flesh)...with human flesh, human soul. That's why Jesus could weep.

And, I have not insinuated that God is Body, Soul and Spirit.
God is the Father
God is the Word
God is the Holy Spirit

I only used the trinity of man as an illustration of the Trinity of God

BTW,
On earth Jesus did not carry Himself as God. He took upon Himself the form of a Servant.

The lord possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old. ......
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills l was brought forth.

Proverbs 8v22, 25.

lt is possible john was referring to this spirit of wisdom as the word which was in the beginning with God. lt is just a poetic way of saying the wisdom of God was made flesh to us.


And the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.
John 1v14.

lt's a simple sturv.

Daejoyoung:

Yes l am willing to be saved, so explain the gospel to me.
l am not saying you are wrong or that the trinity is false, l am saying there is no proof to show that there should be only one interpretation of the trinity and that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life, because trinity itself as a doctrine (unlike say the divinity of jesus for instance) is an interpretation of the church and has no clear verse in the bible stating it, unless you can prove otherwise.
My arguement therefore is that if that is the case, then what proof do you have from the scripture that someone's salvation is tied to the orthodox interpretation of trinity?
By orthodox interpretation, l mean three coequal seperate persons in one being.
Where is this particular definition of trinity in bible? how is it important? and how does it give you salvation?
Explain to me your understanding of jesus, first from the gospels, and then the epistles.
l am just asking questions to learn.

I'm afraid I don't quite believe you. You see, you know that there is no proof that there is only one interpretation of the Trinity or that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life. This is something that you are fully persuaded about. I would be wasting my time then trying to explain the Gospel to you. You already know that whatever I know about it is false. So, it is nothing more than a bait for an argument, and I don't care for one.

So, by all means, hold on to what you are so sure of. I do not begrudge you your right to do so. I, on the other hand, will also hold on to what I have come to be persuaded is true too.

Daejoyoung:

ls the Word not the word of God? Did the word just happen to appear on its' own?

The Word is a creative Force not the spoken word.
In the Beginning was the Word....
And the Word was with God..
And God was the Word.

God doesn't need a mouth like humans to speak hence the Word is not like humans speaking as the word would have been nothing other than that which was spoken. And if that's the case, the word couldn't have Created anything because the power to create should lie with the speaker not the words spoken.

shadeyinka:

The Word is a creative Force not the spoken word.
In the Beginning was the Word....
And the Word was with God..
And God was the Word.

God doesn't need a mouth like humans to speak hence the Word is not like humans speaking as the word would have been nothing other than that which was spoken. And if that's the case, the word couldn't have Created anything because the power to create should lie with the speaker not the words spoken.

My question is this: ls the word from the father or existing independently from the father?
Does the Word have a Source?

Ihedinobi3:

I'm afraid I don't quite believe you. You see, you know that there is no proof that there is only one interpretation of the Trinity or that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life. This is something that you are fully persuaded about. I would be wasting my time then trying to explain the Gospel to you. You already know that whatever I know about it is false. So, it is nothing more than a bait for an argument, and I don't care for one.

So, by all means, hold on to what you are so sure of. I do not begrudge you your right to do so. I, on the other hand, will also hold on to what I have come to be persuaded is true too.

Lol, ok if that is how you feel.
But if you believe there is only one interpretation of the trinity, and moreso that it is what saves you, then all you had to do was prove it here saving the soul of those who would be reading, irrespective of my arguments, and let the readers come to their conclusion. But it's okay, l'll let it pass.

Ihedinobi3:

Unfortunately, my studies in ancient Greek and Hebrew have been stalled for a long time now, so I try to avoid arguments about translations. Translation involves interpretation to some degree. This is because very often meaning is expressed differently from one language to another. For example, how we say "I love you" in Igbo would really stupefy someone who doesn't really know how the Igbo language works and how it is used collectively and individually. For this reason, I can understand why different people translate the same thing in somewhat different ways. And my natural talent in linguistics also helps me appreciate how different appreciations of the same words overlap in some way in meaning. So, I do see the sense in translating the Greek the way that Bible Hub does, but I don't consider it necessarily literal or perfectly accurate.

The other translation I offered comes from a historian and classics scholar, a man well versed in ancient Greek and a Bible teacher, incidentally my own pastor-teacher. I see the sense in his translation and appreciate not only how it both captures the actual Greek and fits with the rest of the Bible. That is why I prefer it. You can see https://ichthys.com/mail-John%201-1.htm for one discussion of this translation, if you want.

As for teaching, I don't quite agree with you. I don't see teaching defined this way in the Bible. The Lord Jesus did use parables, just as you said, but not exactly to "teach." He used it to conceal the Truth from those who didn't want to hear it.

The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "`You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: . . .
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."
Matthew 13:10-18,34-35 NIV1984

Those who had a heart for the Truth would always go to the Lord to ask for the meaning of His Parables so that they could actually learn the Truth (Matthew 13:36; John 3:1-21, cf. John 7:50-52).

Teaching is explaining, that is, interpreting, not obscuring. The Lord obscured the Truth so that it wouldn't offend those who didn't want to hear it (cf. Matthew 7:6), while at the same time it would provide enough of a hint to draw those who were willing to learn to seek clearer teaching in the matter from Him. Those who have the teaching gift today explain the Scriptures to others "comparing spiritual to spiritual" or "expressing spiritual realities in spiritual words" (1 Corinthians 2:13), not by telling stories (cf. 1 Timothy 4:7).

All mature believers can teach, that is, explain the Truth to others as they themselves have been taught (Hebrews 5:12), but the pastor-teaching gift is given only to very few believers. That gift is for authoritative interpretation of the Scriptures. The pastor-teacher does not merely share with other believers what he has learned is the meaning of different parts of the Bible (as all mature believers are able to do to some degree), he also offers original interpretations of things in the Bible because his gift enables him - after he has, like every other believer should be, trained by another pastor-teacher to understand the Bible, and been tested for spiritual maturity by the Lord - to see connections in the Bible that others cannot see on their own.

So, a trained pastor-teacher (trained in the Scriptures, in the original languages, in ancient history and church history, and in textual criticism) is able to describe the picture that is in the Bible to others, not by "simplifying" Bible truths, but by assembling different "pieces" of biblical truth to form a clear, coherent, immediately obvious picture of what the Bible is actually saying.

So, no, we wouldn't explain the Trinity by deconstructing it or comparing it to things that are clearly not it. Not that we couldn't use such tools to try to demonstrate some aspect of it, but we wouldn't present it as any less complex than it truly is. This is why your explanation is troublesome for me. The Trinity is a far more complex affair than the whole universe put together. That is not surprising since God far transcends the creation that He invented from the ground up. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. What the Lord is is truly too wonderful for us. That does not mean that we have no ability at all to understand it. We can understand it, but with limits imposed by our mortal bodies (1 Corinthians 13:12). Only at the Resurrection can we know everything perfectly.

So, while a pastor-teacher could say that the wave-particle duality in nature does have some similarity to the Trinity (and it is a poor illustration, in my own thinking), in that just as, for example, Light is one thing, yet it has properties of a wave and properties of a particle, the Trinity is one God even though there are Three Persons Who are Each God. The illustration must be understood to be imperfect, since the Three Persons of God are not three ways of understanding God or three aspects of God, nor can they be understood as three categories of properties. They are Three Persons in Their own Right.

I'm not sure what it means to "have faith for its own sake." But if it meant that we are not interested in asking questions and seeking to understand what the Scriptures say, that wasn't what I meant. Faith means trust. Trust is what we give to cover things we do not and cannot know. For example, if you trust your wife not to commit adultery, it isn't because you know that she cannot. It is because you are confident in her love for you. You don't know what she does every time that she is away from you. Nor can you know. So trust is making an assumption on the basis of her character and demonstrated attitude toward you.

In the same way, we trust what the Bible says because we trust the God Who gave it to us as His Testimony. We accept what He says even if we cannot prove it in every detail. We know that at the Resurrection, what we don't understand will become as well known to us as we ourselves are known to the Lord. That is what it means to have Faith.

We who have Faith seek to understand what the Bible has to say, but not to question the Bible as an authority. We accept the Bible's authority, so when it makes truth claims, we accept them as axioms, not as things that must be proven to be true. In other words, if the Bible says something that we cannot prove to be true or false, we accept it as true because it is the Bible that said it. For example, if the Bible tells us that God is a Trinity, we accept how it defines that even if it doesn't fit our experience, we don't try to force what it says to fit our experience. Those who do that eventually dispense with what the Bible says.

That is how the Jehovah's Witnesses came into existence. The same is true of all heresies. Whenever we are not willing to accept the Bible's authority, then we invent things that we insist that it must say. The Bible's way of dealing with such things is in what it says about the same thing in other parts of it. So, when people "explain" an axiom in a way that fits their logical preferences, the result is that they create an idea that conflicts with what the Bible says elsewhere. That is how those who love the Truth can identify false teaching: such teaching twists what the Bible says.

I think we agree to a Lange extent of most of the basics. Our understanding, experience and outlook differing slightly. To me, this is not any problem because God has given every one of us spiritual graces and this colours our understanding of spiritual truths.

The way an Evangelist with treat the gospel is completely different from the way a teacher will treat the same gospel.

My take is: Is Christ glorified?
Are Gods people blessed?
Is the church of Christ growing to maturity?

Paul could plant and Apollo waters, it is God who gives the increase.

Even the same spiritual gift has different operations all to God's glory

Daejoyoung:

My question is this: ls the word from the father or existing independently from the father?
Does the Word have a Source?

The Word does not have a Source for the Word is God Himself.

A mundane way of looking at it is this:
The Father WILLS
The Word COMMANDS
The Spirit IMPLEMENTS

All as the Same Being.

shadeyinka:

The Word does not have a Source for the Word is God Himself.

What is your proof for this? why is it called the word of God? Give me quotes from the bible to explain why you say the word has no source.

Take Wisdom for instance in the book of proverbs, it says the lord brought me forth before anything else. Proverbs 22v25.

ls the spirit proceeding from the Father or not?

ln john 17v3, the Father is the only true God. The only way the word and the spirit are God would then be if they proceed from the father, that is the only way to make sense of that passage.

The father is the very source of the Word and the Spirit, just like the Sun is the source of light and heat, this is what l see in the bible.

But give me proof to show that the Word has always existed.

Daejoyoung:

Lol, ok if that is how you feel.
But if you believe there is only one interpretation of the trinity, and moreso that it is what saves you, then all you had to do was prove it here saving the soul of those who would be reading, irrespective of my arguments, and let the readers come to their conclusion. But it's okay, l'll let it pass.

My first response to you is sufficient to demonstrate what I believe to be true in this matter.

shadeyinka:

I think we agree to a Lange extent of most of the basics. Our understanding, experience and outlook differing slightly. To me, this is not any problem because God has given every one of us spiritual graces and this colours our understanding of spiritual truths.

The way an Evangelist with treat the gospel is completely different from the way a teacher will treat the same gospel.

My take is: Is Christ glorified?
Are Gods people blessed?
Is the church of Christ growing to maturity?

Paul could plant and Apollo waters, it is God who gives the increase.

Even the same spiritual gift has different operations all to God's glory

Yes indeed. We are all different, and we won't all necessarily agree on all things. But we are to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Ephesians 4:3).

Daejoyoung:

What is your proof for this? why is it called the word of God? Give me quotes from the bible to explain why you say the word has no source.

Because, in the beginning was the Word...and God was the Word

Just like we can truthfully say, in the beginning was God.

Daejoyoung:

Take Wisdom for instance in the book of proverbs, it says the lord brought me forth before anything else. Proverbs 22v25.

Creating doctrine from poem, songs and proverbs is misleading and dangerous. For wisdom here is a figure of speech.

Prov 1:20:
"Wisdom cries without; she utters her voice in the streets:"

Is wisdom a female,?

Daejoyoung:

ls the spirit proceeding from the Father or not?

ln john 17v3, the Father is the only true God.

The father is the very source of the Word and the Spirit, just like the Sun is the source of light and heat, this is what l see in the bible.

But give me proof to show that the Word has always existed.

Let me indulge you by using the Holy Spirit as an example.

The Bible says God is a Spirit .
The Bible did not say "the Holy Spirit proceeded from God" (the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father). If God is a (Holy) Spirit, how then come God is the SOURCE of the Holy Spirit? (I can only be the source of what is lower than me.).
I hope you can see the paradox!

Using your argument, does it not look like a paradox for God to be a Spirit (note: the bible did not say the Father is a Spirit).
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
How can God be a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) and yet be sent by the Father?

Instead, what we see is what looks like the Father is sending the Holy Spirit (even though God is a Spirit).
John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."


At the risk of over simplification:
By my Soul , I decide to visit the orphanage tomorrow morning.

My Body carries out the will of my Soul by actually waking up to go to the orphanage.

My Soul is Me and my Body is Me
But Yet
It looks as if my Soul sends my body the errand of visiting the orphanage.

There is no contradiction. This shows the relationship between the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Ihedinobi3:

Yes indeed. We are all different, and we won't all necessarily agree on all things. But we are to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Ephesians 4:3).

That's the spirit my Brother.
Till we all attain perfection through Christ our Lord

Eph 4:13: "
until we all attain to the unity of the trust, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a whole {fully formed, mature} man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Anointed:"

shadeyinka:

Because, in the beginning was the Word...and God was the Word

Just like we can truthfully say, in the beginning was God.


Creating doctrine from poem, songs and proverbs is misleading and dangerous. For wisdom here is a figure of speech.

Prov 1:20:
"Wisdom cries without; she utters her voice in the streets:"

Is wisdom a female,?



Let me indulge you by using the Holy Spirit as an example.

The Bible says God is a Spirit .
The Bible did not say "the Holy Spirit proceeded from God" (the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father). If God is a (Holy) Spirit, how then come God is the SOURCE of the Holy Spirit? (I can only be the source of what is lower than me.).
I hope you can see the paradox!

Using your argument, does it not look like a paradox for God to be a Spirit (note: the bible did not say the Father is a Spirit).
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
How can God be a Spirit (the Holy Spirit) and yet be sent by the Father?

Instead, what we see is what looks like the Father is sending the Holy Spirit (even though God is a Spirit).
John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."


At the risk of over simplification:
By my Soul , I decide to visit the orphanage tomorrow morning.

My Body carries out the will of my Soul by actually waking up to go to the orphanage.

My Soul is Me and my Body is Me
But Yet
It looks as if my Soul sends my body the errand of visiting the orphanage.

There is no contradiction. This shows the relationship between the Father and the Holy Spirit.

So why then does the bible say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father? isn't that straightforward enough? l see the Father like the Ocean and the spirit is just a flow from that ocean to all creation, it's simple enough.
This means the Father is the fullness of the Spirit. Holyspirit is the part of the father flowing to us like a fountain.

l used the Wisdom passage as an example of something that was before the world and yet brought forth by God, perhaps you could say it's an attribute of God.

Your soul is not a seperate person from your body, neither is your spirit a seperate person. You are still one Person, that is why l don't understand this analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, because at the end of the day, the orthodox trinity holds that they are separate persons.

When you visit the orphanage, your soul and body visits as one person, not seperate persons, are you saying there is no separation of persons in the Godhead, but they are all one person?

Daejoyoung:

So why then does the bible say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father? isn't that straightforward enough. l see the Father like the Ocean and the spirit is just a flow from that ocean to all creation, it's simple enough.

I think you should answer the question.
If God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father?

Daejoyoung:

l used the Wisdom passage as an example of something that was before the world and yet brought forth by God, perhaps you could say it's an attribute of God.

And I showed you why Proverbs is not a book by which to establish a doctrine.

Is wisdom of Female gender?

Daejoyoung:

Your soul is not a seperate person from your body, neither is your spirit a seperate person. You are still one Person, that is why l don't understand this analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, because at the end of the day, the orthodox trinity holds that they are separate persons.

The scripture below prove otherwise

Rev 6:11:
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

How do you explain this?
White robes for corpses?
Speaking to corpses?

Your Body is your Physical Identity
Your Spirit is your Spiritual Identity
Your Soul is your Personal Identity

Don't Angels have Spiritual and Personal Identities?
At least Angel Gabriel is Different from Angel Micheal (note that they don't have physical Identities).

Don't demons also have both spiritual and personal identities?
Mark 5:9:
"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

shadeyinka:

I think you should answer the question.
if God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father?


And I showed you why Proverbs is not a book by which to establish a doctrine.

Is wisdom of Female gender?


The scripture below prove otherwise

Rev 6:11:
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

How do you explain this?
White robes for corpses?
Speaking to corpses?

Your Body is your Physical Identity
Your Spirit is your Spiritual Identity
Your Soul is your Personal Identity

Don't Angels have Spiritual and Personal Identities?
At least Angel Gabriel is Different from Angel Micheal (note that they don't have physical Identities).

Don't demons also have both spiritual and personal identities?
Mark 5:9:
"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

You asked.....lf God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the father?

Well, God is a Spirit and yet the Holyspirit is called the Spirit of God and he even searches the mind of God for the deep things of God. So this means the Holy Spirit is not seperate from God only that the Holy spirit is sent from God to do the will of God like in your analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, but then they do not become seperate persons but one person, so that the Holy spirit is an outflow from God, not seperate from God.

You asked about.....Physical, Personal, and Spiritual identity

Well l don't know, but isn't it still one Person altogether? My real confusion is are these identities seperate persons or one person, that is the real question here.

Angel Gabriel and Angel Michael are two seperate persons for instance and so they are not one or are they? On the contrary your soul and your body are not seperate persons.

Angel Gabriel and Michael may be United in purpose but they are still seperate persons, and if l call Angel Michael the only true Angel( as in john 17v3) this automatically excludes Angel Gabriel, giving a quality to Angel Michael that Angel Gabriel cannot have.

Finally you accused me of getting my theology from a book like proverbs, yet you use Revelation to give an example about corpses wearing robes? We all know many things in Revelation are not literal.

I am enjoying this discussion actually, because we are here to learn.

Janosky:


Genesis 2:7, says your philosophy is NOT true.
Pagan philosophy masquerading as christianity.
Abeg, park well jare.
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Roman 8:3, who did God Yahweh send to earth in the likeness of men? His son in heaven.
Your superimposition of "the Word" into Genesis Na wayo .. . The Word was facing towards the God. Jesus is NEVER ton theon ANYWHERE in the New Testament SCRIPTURES.
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Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31 , He or triune ?
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John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?
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We can't leave out Colossians 1:13-18,that's where your quote should start from.
If your claims were true, Colossians 1:13-18 can a son create his own Father?

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Colossians 1:19, who made all the events of verses13-18 possible ?

How come that after his ascension ,God's son is still in the image of God,just like man?
2 Cor4:4. Genesis 1:27

The answers you seek are in your unbiased treatment of my questions.

shadeyinka:

Mr man
Your propensity for deception is only exceeded by your dubiousness.

According to your doctrine:
God created Jesus
And Jesus created ALL OTHER things.

If Jesus created all other things,
1. Who created the heavens and the earth?
2. Who spoke the words, "Let there be..."?

Have you disowned the teachings of your organisation?
I know that you don't mind twisting even your doctrines in other to make your points

You have to LIE like kilode & resort to diversionary tactic because your Trinity Fraud can't withstand scriptural scrutiny.

Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31 ,He or triune?
Answer the questions, no dull yourself.

Come & lie that JWs wrote Genesis 1:1-31... Lols

John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?
Greek "Dia" = THROUGH (him)/By means of (him). Proof, the Word ,God's son is not the One true God he calls "my Father, my God in heaven"
Primary school pupils can tell the difference between the son & his God , wey edionmwan dey argue blindly say na the same person.
Them say the Word their Deity PROCEEDS FROM the Father and is self existent", what a SCAM !

The son in heaven lives in God's image, just as man and angels why?
The Father created ALL through his son working for his Father.
Hebrew 1:1-2 is very lucid enough.

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But our Edionmwan no send the truth.

Daejoyoung:

You asked.....lf God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the father?

Well, God is a Spirit and yet the Holyspirit is called the Spirit of God and he even searches the mind of God for the deep things of God. So this means the Holy Spirit is not seperate from God only that the Holy spirit is sent from God to do the will of God like in your analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, but then they do not become seperate persons but one person, so that the Holy spirit is an outflow from God, not seperate from God.

You asked about.....Physical, Personal, and Spiritual identity

Well l don't know, but isn't it still one Person altogether? My real confusion is are these identities seperate persons or one person, that is the real question here.

Angel Gabriel and Angel Michael are two seperate persons for instance and so they are not one or are they? On the contrary your soul and your body are not seperate persons.

Angel Gabriel and Michael may be United in purpose but they are still seperate persons, and if l call Angel Michael the only true Angel( as in john 17v3) this automatically excludes Angel Gabriel, giving a quality to Angel Michael that Angel Gabriel cannot have.

Finally you accused me of getting my theology from a book like proverbs, yet you use Revelation to give an example about corpses wearing robes? We all know many things in Revelation are not literal.

I am enjoying this discussion actually, because we are here to learn.

Fine points you made here.
Solid, interesting.
Just watch how our Edionmwan & him comrade go write incoherent jargons & twist the scriptures for their safe landing....
Just observe wetin I tell you so

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

Middleborn, my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by Biblespeaks when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

Speak for yourself

@bolded, what makes you think you aren't a mess??

kkins25:
@bolded, what makes you think you aren't a mess??

I agree the mind can be a messed up and disturbed place, lol, but no matter how messed up we might be up there, let's find it in our heart to just remember the good news that God is calling and He is saying to all human beings: Come to Me, I will refresh you and give you rest, all you toiling, all who labor and are heavily burdened, all who are tired from carrying heavy loads. This is the gospel in its purest and undiluted form. Praise God Alleluia.

Daejoyoung:

You asked.....lf God is a Spirit, how come the Holy Spirit is sent by the father?

Well, God is a Spirit and yet the Holyspirit is called the Spirit of God and he even searches the mind of God for the deep things of God. So this means the Holy Spirit is not seperate from God only that the Holy spirit is sent from God to do the will of God like in your analogy of Body, Soul, and Spirit, but then they do not become seperate persons but one person, so that the Holy spirit is an outflow from God, not seperate from God.

Exactly. The same indivisible God.
The description of this complexity of God in human terms is the doctrine Trinity.

Just like I don't bother people to treat me as a Trinity of body soul and spirit, I doubt if God cares one bit about treating Him as a Trinity. That is for human consumption and description. That's probably why knowing God as a Trinity is not a prerequisite to salvation. It changes nothing with God

Daejoyoung:

You asked about.....Physical, Personal, and Spiritual identity

Well l don't know, but isn't it still one Person altogether? My real confusion is are these identities seperate persons or one person, that is the real question here.

Angel Gabriel and Angel Michael are two seperate persons for instance and so they are not one or are they? On the contrary your soul and your body are not seperate persons.

Angel Gabriel and Michael may be United in purpose but they are still seperate persons, and if l call Angel Michael the only true Angel( as in john 17v3) this automatically excludes Angel Gabriel, giving a quality to Angel Michael that Angel Gabriel cannot have.

The three identities are still exactly the same person. Everything depends on the frame of reference through which the observer look at the person.

Like, to see your Physical Body, I need LIGHT from a source to be reflected from your body.
However, to see your spirit Body, I don't need LIGHT from anywhere.
In other words in the physical dimension, you have natures suitable for the physical dimension. And in the spiritual realm, you have natures suitable for the spiritual dimension. BOTH natures are very REAL and tangible within their FRAME of REFERENCE and yet both describes ONE Person.


Angel Gabriel and Micheal are two separate real and tangible personalities within the frame of reference of the spirit realm. In the physical reality however, they are completely invisible even if both of them are in your room, you can't see them.

Daejoyoung:

Finally you accused me of getting my theology from a book like proverbs, yet you use Revelation to give an example about corpses wearing robes? We all know many things in Revelation are not literal.

I am enjoying this discussion actually, because we are here to learn.

The book of Revelation is completely different from poetic books like Psalms and Proverbs. The book of revelation is a book describing
1. The present things (actual/literal)
2. The past events (actual/literal)
3. The future events
The future events are described in two ways
a. Figuratively
b. Actual /Literal (non figurative events)
4. The Physical events
5. Spiritual Events

For the future events, the context will decide whether it is real or figurative.

It is impossible to treat rev6:11 as figurative as it is meaningless. It can only be meaningful as literal spiritual events.

Rev 6:11:
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

The context show that it is a spiritual literal event

shadeyinka:

You seem to forget that
The WORD became the Son.

Is God the Father of the Word?
A scripture to elucidate would be appreciated.

** Hebrews 1:1-2 **
God’s Final Word: His Son
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors
through the prophets at many times and in
various ways, 2 but in these last days he
has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through
whom also he made the universe."

God Yahweh is 'He',( 'Me' of Deu5:7.Exodus 20:3) NOT shadeyinka "3 personalities" FRAUD.
He,Yahweh made the universe THROUGH his Son,the Word.
Hebrew 1:1-2 confirm the Word is Yahweh's son BEFORE the universe was made.

" By him " na FRAUD.
* 'THROUGH him'= Greek 'Dia' 100% ACCURATE.
(*The same Greek Dia in John1:3 & Col 1:16, )

CONFIRMENTO !

If you disagree, you're just a triune deity pagan pretending to be a Christian.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/JwJohn1_1.jpg[/img]



Its beggars belief that Jehovah's Witnesses and of course you inclusive Janosky, could have the fearlessness, rude and disrespectful behaviour towards the Word, our Lord Jesus Christ to have Him described as a god, smh. That New World Translation forced upon you Janosky should be torn up into shreds, burned and/or flushed down the toilet. Mtcheew

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
- According to John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)

Just calm down and learn....
NWT is very faithful to the Greek language of John1:1, no addition or subtraction.
Greek Theos = a god, ( divine nature).

PROOF :
* ** Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god,"

** In John1:1, TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
In the Greek language of the holy Bible, ONLY the Father is TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
## Greek John17:3, Jesus says his tov theon (the God,Almighty Father) is the ONLY TRUE God.
Let this Truth of Greek John17:3 sink into your brain.



Theo's= a god (divine nature) was the Word.

In Greek John1:1,is Jesus (the Word) tov theon (the God,Almighty Father)?
Your honest answer to that question is the truth of Greek John 1:1.

Janosky:

** Hebrews 1:1-2 **
God’s Final Word: His Son
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors
through the prophets at many times and in
various ways, 2 but in these last days he
has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through
whom also he made the universe."

God Yahweh is 'He',( 'Me' of Deu5:7.Exodus 20:3) NOT shadeyinka "3 personalities" FRAUD.
He,Yahweh made the universe THROUGH his Son,the Word.
Hebrew 1:1-2 confirm the Word is Yahweh's son BEFORE the universe was made.

" By him " na FRAUD.
* 'THROUGH him'= Greek 'Dia' 100% ACCURATE.
(*The same Greek Dia in John1:3 & Col 1:16, )

CONFIRMENTO !

If you disagree, you're just a triune deity pagan pretending to be a Christian.

Ignorance elucidated in its full splendor!

Where did the FATHER begat the WORD in the scripture provided?


Heb 1:1-3:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

1. God spoke by Himself in the time past
2. Now, God has spoken to us by His Son
3. By the Son, the World was made
4. The son uphold all things by the word of His power

Is the summary of the scripture above.

I've told you countless number of times, the WORD is not "spoken word".
Why?
The Father speaks "the spoken word"
The Son (the WORD) speaks "the spoken word"
The Holy Spirit speaks "the spoken word"

So you see how confused you are!

I've asked you this several times:
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus
3. So,
a. Who said "Let there be Light?"
b. Who saw that it was Good?
c. Who divided the light from darkness?
d. Who formed man from dust and breath into his nostrils the breath of life?
d. Who rested on the seventh day?

As usual, you will avoid the question

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/JwJohn1_1.jpg[/img]



asking where is the Greek 3588 TÓV (ton), why is the word for word omitted there. you wouldnt be asking for an explanation for why the omission of word for word Greek 3588 TÓV (ton) in the Greek interlinear screenshot, lol.



"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
- According to John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)




Putting it candidly, this way, we are going to start with finding out your full knowledge and/or understanding of the translation and/or meaning of that your much beloved Greek word "TÓV" first, before next, then be looking into the other two or three ones you too, are grappling with, lol (i.e. Theon and Theos)

tov (the) theon (God) occurs 148 times in the Greek language ( New Testament) of the holy Bible, how many times does tov theon (the God) refer to Jesus?
ABSOLUTELY NONE !!
https://biblehub.com/greek/theon_2316.htm.


** The important question is this:
Between the NWT Greek intelinear & other Greek interlinear which is more accurate and faithful to the Greek of John1:1?

Why did the other Greek interlinear omit TOV with a dash sign (-)?
Answer: To create DUBIOUS impression that theon without TOV ( = the) and Theo's = the Word (Jesus)=God Almighty.
Shebi una dey see their Trinity FRAUD.

* The same reason that our Edionmwan is resisting Greek 'with '=towards.
"the Word was facing towards tov theon (the God)"
Solid Proof.: the Word & tov theon are two different beings.

cc:
Daejoyoung

shadeyinka:

Ignorance elucidated in its full splendor!

Where did the FATHER begat the WORD in the scripture provided?


Heb 1:1-3:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

1. God spoke by Himself in the time past
2. Now, God has spoken to us by His Son
3. By the Son, the World was made
4. The son uphold all things by the word of His power

Is the summary of the scripture above.

I've told you countless number of times, the WORD is not "spoken word".
Why?
The Father speaks "the spoken word"
The Son (the WORD) speaks "the spoken word"
The Holy Spirit speaks "the spoken word"

So you see how confused you are!

I've asked you this several times:
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus
3. So,
a. Who said "Let there be Light?"
b. Who saw that it was Good?
c. Who divided the light from darkness?
d. Who formed man from dust and breath into his nostrils the breath of life?
d. Who rested on the seventh day?

As usual, you will avoid the question

Is the God of Hebrew1:1-3 & Genesis1:1-31, He or triune? Mr Shadeyinka, answer the question .....

* If Janosky built a mansion through Engineer Shadeyinka, who OWNS the mansion and takes the credit for construction of the mansion?
Your honest answers resolves your delusion.

Shadeyinka INVENTED this sham he calls JW doctrine:
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus"

Shadeyinka, did Jesus Christ create his Father?
Answer the question.

Daejoyoung:
The lord possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old. ......
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills l was brought forth.

Proverbs 8v22, 25.

lt is possible john was referring to this spirit of wisdom as the word which was in the beginning with God. lt is just a poetic way of saying the wisdom of God was made flesh to us.


And the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.
John 1v14.

lt's a simple sturv.

The 'Wisdom' of Prov8:22-30 is a created being revealed to be Jesus Christ "the firstborn of every creature"
@ Colossians 1:13-16. 1 Cor 1:20-24 & Hebrew 1:1-3.

Ihedinobi3:


(*1)
. And my natural talent in linguistics also helps me appreciate how different appreciations of the same words overlap in some way in meaning. So, I do see the sense in translating the Greek the way that Bible Hub does, but I don't consider it necessarily literal or perfectly accurate.

(*2)
The other translation I offered comes from a historian and classics scholar, a man well versed in ancient Greek and a Bible teacher, incidentally my own pastor-teacher. I see the sense in his translation and appreciate not only how it both captures the actual Greek and fits with the rest of the Bible. That is why I prefer it. You can see https://ichthys.com/mail-John%201-1.htm for one discussion of this translation, if you want.


(*3)
So, no, we wouldn't explain the Trinity by deconstructing it or comparing it to things that are clearly not it. Not that we couldn't use such tools to try to demonstrate some aspect of it, but we wouldn't present it as any less complex than it truly is. This is why your explanation is troublesome for me. The Trinity is a far more complex affair than the whole universe put together.

So, while a pastor-teacher could say that the wave-particle duality in nature does have some similarity to the Trinity (and it is a poor illustration, in my own thinking), in that just as, for example, Light is one thing, yet it has properties of a wave and properties of a particle, the Trinity is one God even though there are Three Persons Who are Each God. The illustration must be understood to be imperfect, since the Three Persons of God are not three ways of understanding God or three aspects of God, nor can they be understood as three categories of properties. They are Three Persons in Their own Right.

(*4)
. For example, if the Bible tells us that God is a Trinity, we accept how it defines that even if it doesn't fit our experience, we don't try to force what it says to fit our experience. Those who do that eventually dispense with what the Bible says.

That is how the Jehovah's Witnesses came into existence. The same is true of all heresies. Whenever we are not willing to accept the Bible's authority, then we invent things that we insist that it must say. The Bible's way of dealing with such things is in what it says about the same thing in other parts of it. So, when people "explain" an axiom in a way that fits their logical preferences, the result is that they create an idea that conflicts with what the Bible says elsewhere. That is how those who love the Truth can identify false teaching: such teaching twists what the Bible says.

(*1).
In a way, anyone honest can see why most of your claims are not true.

(*2)
Your "Christ Reciprocity with God" is a hard sell.
His Father gave Jesus Everything, where is the reciprocity there?
I will expose the FALLACIES in that website.

(*3).
One fake doctrine, many conflicting versions, as usual.

(*4)
BIG LIE

Janosky:


Is the God of Hebrew1:1-3 & Genesis1:1-31, He or triune? Mr Shadeyinka, answer the question .....

* If Janosky built a mansion through Engineer Shadeyinka, who OWNS the mansion and takes the credit for construction of the mansion?
Your honest answers resolves your delusion.

Shadeyinka INVENTED this sham he calls JW doctrine:
2. According to your doctrine God didn't create anything by himself and ALL other things were created by Jesus"

Shadeyinka, did Jesus Christ create his Father?
Answer the question.

Just one question to deflate all the jargons you wrote up here!

If all God did was to order Jesus (your small God) to create the world.
1. Who worked the work?
2. Who rested after the work?

I expect you to begin a lucid twisting of clear scriptures so as to fit your organisations deception!

Janosky:

Just calm down and learn....
NWT is very faithful to the Greek language of John1:1, no addition or subtraction.
Greek Theos = a god, ( divine nature).

PROOF :
* ** Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god,"

** In John1:1, TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
In the Greek language of the holy Bible, ONLY the Father is TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
## Greek John17:3, Jesus says his tov theon (the God,Almighty Father) is the ONLY TRUE God.
Let this Truth of Greek John17:3 sink into your brain.



Theo's= a god (divine nature) was the Word.

In Greek John1:1,is Jesus (the Word) tov theon (the God,Almighty Father)?
Your honest answer to that question is the truth of Greek John 1:1.

You are very wrong. Theos and Theon are used many times for the almighty God in the entire scriptures. See Hupernikao's post in the Reno Omokri's thread on "Jesus is not God"

You can go to that post in the above mentioned thread in the religion section and see the entire post for yourself but I have italicized a portion of his post below for your perusal.

EXPLANATION OF JOHN 1:1 (Theon and Theos)
Kindly read carefully.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (NLT)
En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)

THEON
The word Theon occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 148 times. It simply means A deity, especially the supreme Divinity. Observe the following text usage of Theon

Matthew 4:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God (Theon)

Matthew 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God (Theon)

John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God (Theon) at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God (Theon), believe also in me.

Acts 16:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God (Theon): and the prisoners heard them.

Hebrews 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God (Theon) to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

The word Theon is a Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular. 

THEOS
The word Theos occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 311 times. It is also simply translated as A deity, especially the supreme Divinity same as Theon. 
Observe the following text usage of Theos

Matthew 1:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God (Theos) with us.

Matthew 22:32 King James Version (KJV)
32 I am the God (Theos) of Abraham, and the God (Theos) of Isaac, and the God (Theos) of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God (Theos) only?

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God (Theos) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 One God (Theos) and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Observe that in the verses above God (almighty) was rendered as Theos and not Theon. It is also good to know that in the 311 times usage, Theos was referred to God almighty over 250 times without speaking about Jesus. For example in John 3:16

16 For God (Theos) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God here is the Father, Almighty, yet Theos was used. That means the Greek did not used Theon as a reserved name for God almighty but used Theos likewise. As seen above, Theos (311 times) was used as twice as Theon (148 times) to refer to God in the scriptures.
The word Theos is a Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Now to John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
From above explanation it should be clear to you that Theos and Theon means God and not a variant of God. So, the question will be why was Theon and Theos used here. Let us do a little of word construction study.

NOMINATIVE AND ACCUSATIVE WORD CASE
Nominative: for the subject of a sentence: who or what is doing this?
Accusative: for the direct object of a sentence: who or what is being

The Nominative case is the case that contains the subject of a sentence. For beginners, it is normally in the beginning of a sentence.
The Accusative case is the case that contains the direct object of a sentence. You probably won't see much of this except in the accusative pronouns. The accusative is what is receiving the action of the nominative.

In English Language:
The nominative case is the case used for a noun or pronoun which is the subject of a verb. For example: Mark eats cakes. (The noun Mark is the subject of the verb eats).
The accusative case of a noun is the grammatical case used to mark the direct object of a transitive verb. For example, "they" in English is nominative; "them" is accusative. The sentence "They like them" shows the nominative case and accusative case working in conjunction using the same base word.
Note that English mostly have this in pronouns: I, me, They, Them, he, him, she, her etc.

In Greek Language
There are five CASES in Greek, the nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, and vocative. In English, readers rely on the order in which words appear in a sentence to indicate the grammatical function of each word. In Ancient Greek, their case tells the reader the grammatical function of each word in the sentence.

For example in Greek texts, Noun can be taken as Nominative or Accusative. 
Note also, In Ancient Greek, all nouns are classified according to grammatical gender (masculine, feminine, or neuter) and are used in a number (singular, dual, or plural). So that means we can have Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular and Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular.

EXAMPLES OF WORDS
χώρᾶ (Country)
Nominative Singular χώρᾱ (chōra) country
Accusative Singular χώρᾱν (chōran) country

Luke 2:8 And there were in the same country (chora) shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luke 8:26 And they arrived at the country (choran) of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.

In Romans 4:11 the word righteousness was used twice. In English you may not understand suchme but in Greek construction is key.

Romans 4:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
- a seal of the righteousness (dikaiosynēs) is Noun genitive feminine singular
- that righteousness might. Righteousness (dikaiosynēn)here is Accusative feminine singular

Hence, he used Righteousness which is the same word same meaning and explanation but grammar construction means you much use the word in its right case to make sense.

Now, Back to our study.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
Theon is Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular. 
Theos is Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

The original Greek construction of the last part of the verse is "and God (Theos) was the Word." That makes it nominative. The phrase “and the word was God (Theon)” the usage of God here is accusative to the word “The Word”. Hence the reason Theon was used.

It would have made no sense using Theon as Theos together in the same sentences as such as one is accusative now and the other is nominative noun. It is like using they and they together, e.g They like They instead of they like them or themselves.

As pointed out earlier do a word study on the usage of theos, you will see it was never used as something lesser than Theon. It is just sentence construction issue.

Theon is not the only derivatives of Theos, there are others that were used in the scriptures. I will give you some here:

I so much believe that the triune nature of man as described in the passage below is reflective in a sense of the nature of God. He made us in His image

1:
"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

The relationship between the Spirit of God to God Himself was likened to the relationship between the spirit of man and man himself in the passage below:

"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:11)

2:
I believe that the relationship between Jesus/The Word and God Himself is akin to the relationship between the physical bodies of a man and the man himself. Look at the passage below:

"...who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person..." (Hebrews 1:3)

3:
I believe that the soul of man is reflective of the Father. See contrary to what we have been taught, the soul of man is more than mind, will, emotions. It is the veey seat of our personalities.

Body---Son
Spirit---Holy Spirit
Soul---Father

chrmn1:
I so much believe that the triune nature of man as described in the passage below is reflective in a sense of the nature of God. He made us in His image

1:
"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

The relationship between the Spirit of God to God Himself was likened to the relationship between the spirit of man and man himself in the passage below:

"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:11)

2:
I believe that the relationship between Jesus/The Word and God Himself is akin to the relationship between the physical bodies of a man and the man himself. Look at the passage below:

"...who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person..." (Hebrews 1:3)

3:
I believe that the soul of man is reflective of the Father. See contrary to what we have been taught, the soul of man is more than mind, will, emotions. It is the veey seat of our personalities.

Body---Son
Spirit---Holy Spirit
Soul---Father

lf God himself is a Spirit, then how is it that he has a spirit? or are the Father and Word not also spirit?

Body, Soul, and Spirit are not three separate persons in a human being but make up one person, but the council of Nicea defines the trinity as 3 persons in One being, so how does your body, soul, and spirit fit into this definition?