@ OnPointMan

Ok. Do eckists see him one way or the other? If yes, what does he look like?

Kal Niranjan is a Soul that is in charge of the negative current of Life. He provides the challenges that tempers soul in the school of life i.e what christisns describe as temptations. He ensures that nothing impure enters the pure spiritual planes. As Soul he can take any form he likes as Soul is naturally formless and using the negative current he can use any human who is still under its influence as a channel for negative actions

benodic:
@ OnPointMan



Kal Niranjan is a Soul that is in charge of the negative current of Life. He provides the challenges that tempers soul in the school of life i.e what christisns describe as temptations. He ensures that nothing impure enters the pure spiritual planes. As Soul he can take any form he likes as Soul is naturally formless and using the negative current he can use any human who is still under its influence as a channel for negative actions

I read it somewhere that he's the Christian jehovah and Jesus is his sonaccording to eckankar, is that true?

@ OnPointMan,

I read it somewhere that he's the Christian jehovah and Jesus is his sonaccording to eckankar, is that true?

The Christian Jehovah is known as Jot Niranjan. He is the ruler of the Astral Plane. The teachings that Jesus brought was far ahead of his time and even now people are still struggling to understand it giving rise to several interpretations and divisions within Christendom.
The Supreme God which Jesus introduced was characterized by divine love only and did not have the negative human characteristics of jealousy, hatred which the Jehovah of the Israelites depicted.

We are all sons of the most high God whose nature is only love. Some people have realized this and many have not. Jesus was able to realize his sonship with the supreme God and so can you.

benodic:
@ OnPointMan,



The Christian Jehovah is known as Jot Niranjan. He is the ruler of the Astral Plane. The teachings that Jesus brought was far ahead of his time and even now people are still struggling to understand it giving rise to several interpretations and divisions within Christendom.
The Supreme God which Jesus introduced was characterized by divine love only and did not have the negative human characteristics of jealousy, hatred which the Jehovah of the Israelites depicted.

We are all sons of the most high God whose nature is only love. Some people have realized this and many have not. Jesus was able to realize his sonship with the supreme God and so can you.

Thanks for your reply sire. So Jehovah is actually not the Supreme God according to Eckankar. I find this interesting because I've have heard it somewhere before that he is actually an angel.

Please, is the Yoruba Eledumare the Supreme God?

@ OnPointMan

Thanks for your reply sire. So Jehovah is actually not the Supreme God according to Eckankar. I find this interesting because I've have heard it somewhere before that he is an actually angel.

Please, is the Yoruba Eledumare the Supreme God?

I can not tell you whether Eledumare is the supreme God but I can tell you the qualities of the Supreme God which you can use as reference point to assess any deity presented as the Supreme God.

The Supreme God's main quality is Divine Love. A love that knows no boundaries, no divisions, no special son or children, no favourite people, race or tribe, no special religion. A love that encomprises all souls equally. A love that works only to make each individual soul godlike and able to express the same divine love that It has.
Any Deity that expresses negative human characteristics like anger, jealousy, hatred, has a special tribe, special son, supports violence and war and even sanctions the genocide of groups of people because they do not rever or worship him. Such a deity I can assure you is not the Supreme God.

benodic:
@ OnPointMan



I can not tell you whether Eledumare is the supreme God but I can tell you the qualities of the Supreme God which you can use as reference point to assess any deity presented as the Supreme God.

The Supreme God's main quality is Divine Love. A love that knows no boundaries, no divisions, no special son or children, no favourite people, race or tribe, no special religion. A love that encomprises all souls equally. A love that works only to make each individual soul godlike and able to express the same divine love that It has.
Any Deity that expresses negative human characteristics like anger, jealousy, hatred, has a special tribe, special son, supports violence and war and even sanctions the genocide of groups of people because they do not rever or worship him. Such a deity I can assure you is not the Supreme God.

Love extended to ritualists, witches and wizards? Cos you said no boundaries

@ OnPointMan,

Love extended to ritualists, witches and wizards? Cos you said no boundaries

Exactly. No boundaries.
Soul Exist because of God"s love for It. And God loves Soul more than soul loves its' defilements. No matter how negative you are, it does not limit God"s love for you. Until you understand this, you can never comprehend God or Its ways.

benodic:
@ OnPointMan,



Exactly. No boundaries.
Soul Exist because of God"s love for It. And God loves Soul more than soul loves its' defilements. No matter how negative you are, it does not limit God"s love for you. Until you understand this, you can never comprehend God or Its ways.

Eledumare has to be the Supreme then. He fits into your description.

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benodic:
@ OnPointMan,



Exactly. No boundaries.
Soul Exist because of God"s love for It. And God loves Soul more than soul loves its' defilements. No matter how negative you are, it does not limit God"s love for you. Until you understand this, you can never comprehend God or Its ways.

Sorry if I disturb. A question just popped in head and i said i should ask.

If Jehovah(Jot Niranjan) rules at the astral plane, which plane of existence does Kal Niranjan rule?

@ OnPointMan

Sorry if I disturb. A question just popped in head and i said i should ask.

If Jehovah(Jot Niranjan) rules at the astral plane, which plane of existence does Kal Niranjan rule?

The Kal Niranjan is in charge of the negative current of life and rules over the whole lower planes that act as school for souls.

The lords of the lower planes are subordinate to him while he is subordinate to the Almighty God we call the Sugmad. He is the headmaster of the lower world schools and he ensures that no soul that is still immature or impure enters into the pure spiritual heavens

benodic:
@ OnPointMan



The Kal Niranjan is in charge of the negative current of life and rules over the whole lower planes that act as school for souls.

The lords of the lower planes are subordinate to him while he is subordinate to the Almighty God we call the Sugmad. He is the headmaster of the lower world schools and he ensures that no soul that is still immature or impure enters into the pure spiritual heavens

What are the names of the lower planes? And what does purity/maturity mean in this context?

@ OnPointMan

What are the names of the lower planes? And what does purity/maturity mean in this context?

They are as follows: physical plane, astral plane, causal plane, mental plane and etheric plane.

The reason the lower planes were created was to enable souls have experiences that will teach it to eventually master the passions of the mind or evil tendencies and become a channel for God's love to flow to all life. Purity and maturity means that soul has mastered its lessons and become love itself.

benodic:
@ OnPointMan



They are as follows: physical plane, astral plane, causal plane, mental plane and etheric plane.

The reason the lower planes were created was to enable souls have experiences that will teach it to eventually master the passions of the mind or evil tendencies and become a channel for God's love to flow to all life. Purity and maturity means that soul has mastered its lessons and become love itself.

I thought you said Jot Niranjan rules the astral plane! How come Kal Niranjan rule it again?

And, please do you believe we are entering a new age(Aquarius Age)?

@ OnPointMan

I thought you said Jot Niranjan rules the astral plane! How come Kal Niranjan rule it again?

I told you the lords of all the lower planes are subordinate to the Kal Niranjan. It's just like a primary school where you have the teachers in charge of different class levels and the headmaster in charge of all of them or governors of states in country who are subordinate to the president.

And, please do you believe we are entering a new age(Aquarius Age)?

The Aquarian age which we have already entered is under astrology which studies influences on the physical plane from the astral plane. Its influence does not go above the astral plane.
These are minor ages under the major Ages or Yugas which we know in Eckankar which comprises of 4 major ages which includes the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age, and the iron age whose influence stretches from the etheric plane to the physical plane.
We are currently in the iron age or Kali Yuga age. This is the age where Negativity increases exponentially and the Kal is given almost unlimited powers to drill souls that are in the lower planes.

benodic:
@ OnPointMan


I told you the lords of all the lower planes are subordinate to the Kal Niranjan. It's just like a primary school where you have the teachers in charge of different class levels and the headmaster in charge of all of them or governors of states in country who are subordinate to the president.


The Aquarian age which we have already entered is under astrology which studies influences on the physical plane from the astral plane. Its influence does not go above the astral plane.
These are minor ages under the major Ages or Yugas which we know in Eckankar which comprises of 4 major ages which includes the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age, and the iron age whose influence stretches from the etheric plane to the physical plane.
We are currently in the iron age or Kali Yuga age. This is the age where Negativity increases exponentially and the Kal is given almost unlimited powers to drill souls that are in the lower planes.

Oh! I thought Jot was more powerful that Kal, i didn't know its the other way round. Thanks

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